Alone Season 2 on History Channel [Archive] - Page 2

WalkingTree

05-28-2016, 10:34 PM

So how many calories do you burn dancing in a boat for 5 minutes? 15 or 20?

Nicole's gonna come home with a bear pet.

How are some of them so bored? Why do they "dwell" on thoughts? I'd just space out on the environment. Meditate. It'd be beautiful. Forget the "thoughts" and dwelling crap.

Again, missing people, I understand. But how...in...the....world...can that beautiful place be depressing, just because of seclusion??

Watching a Larry-segment is one filled with bleeps and bleeps. It's a bleep fest. That's entertaining. I wonder if he talks to his woman and kids with that mouth. Hey Larry, life isn't the mundane job, it is those weekends, and that family...it's not the time at work, it's all that other time away from work. With that family. Whether you do something fantastic or not. That's why you work.

You might not like watching me on there though kyrashooter. I'm a cusser myself. But I don't cuss because of being frustrated or impatient. Don't hardly get that way. But I say a few cuss words now and then as part of normal language.

I do like Larry's new spot. Looks nice in many ways.

Thank you for tuning in to WKRXY. I'd like to dedicate this next track to Larry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcu6Gc5sCU

NightSG

05-29-2016, 03:31 AM

Thank you for tuning in to WKRXY. I'd like to dedicate this next track to Larry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcu6Gc5sCU

Actually, I was thinking more along these lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Ed0TSp0gs

RobinD69

05-29-2016, 01:36 PM

Now I realize that this show is supposed to be entertaining but I also believe it is to limiting. I personally carry an EDC which I would have to give up to be on the show. To go even further I would have to give up my 24hr pack, my 72hr pack and my BOB which to me is very limiting. Now if they really want to be authentic then why not put them out there with just the clothes on their back. The 3 who have already tapped out were not ready to begin with just like those in season 1. How about an authentic show with those who are truly willing to live alone, who are true survivalist.

crashdive123

05-29-2016, 04:08 PM

For what the show intends, I believe it is very authentic. Gear is just gear. Skills are just skills. Sometimes one will have more or less of either. That isn't what the show is about though. Being ALONE is, and it is the one thing that most have not done for extended periods of time.

We had a thread several years ago (couldn't find it) started by Sourdough asking what was the longest period you spent in the wilderness with absolutely no human contact. Miles and miles from civilization with nothing but your own thoughts. Most of the responses IIRC were less than two weeks.

WalkingTree

05-29-2016, 08:45 PM

NightSG, I guess I don't get it. Morse code? You mean the bleeps? If so, then I guess I do get it. And that's funny.

WalkingTree

06-03-2016, 10:02 PM

I guess we have to skip a Thursday.

finallyME

06-06-2016, 09:18 AM

I guess we have to skip a Thursday.

:( I know right!

WalkingTree

06-06-2016, 12:32 PM

How dare they. It's alright though...I'm about bored with this show anyway.

finallyME

06-10-2016, 12:41 PM

Being Alone seems to be the deciding factor this week. Can't really blame them. KYRS is going to be happy now that Mike and Randy are gone. :)

Grizz123

06-10-2016, 01:17 PM

I don't get it? They applied for and got accepted to the show based on their skill sets, now they leave because of loneliness or not being challenged mentally and physically? Heck winter is on its way and that will provide a new set of challenges, right? Did they got bored so easily? Seems to me they could have lived a relatively comfortable life to the end and then cash a big check.

kyratshooter

06-10-2016, 01:41 PM

Being Alone seems to be the deciding factor this week. Can't really blame them. KYRS is going to be happy now that Mike and Randy are gone. :)

"Screw them, they were weak." Dr Sheldon Cooper.

So far they have proven that any moron, psycho or bush hippie can make it for three weeks if they don't hurt themselves and they are not scared of the dark.

They are almost down to the serious contenders at this point. Three more men who are tired of wet and hungry and the lone woman remaining.

The girl could stick it out to the end but I think there will be some "incident" which triggers a flight response and she will hit the panic button before she thinks about what she is doing.

I think the sniper dude will climb his mountain and then tap out.

The cussing electrician is nearly under water and seeing no point in the process now. Paradise has turned into a mud hole, the universe is out to get him, all the fish are in another ocean, and nothing good has ever happened in his life.

Dave is about to get hungry enough to trade $500k for a cheeseburger.

They still have 5 episodes remaining and 5 people to eliminate, they are really stringing the deal out.

Right now my money is on the Alaskan dude to win. I expect him to have extra food stored and be sitting in a rocking chair, waiting for them to come tell him he won.

But I have been wrong before, once, long ago, and I can't remember what it was about.

finallyME

06-10-2016, 02:34 PM

They had a little clip that wasn't part of the main show that was only about Jose. Basically, it showed him sitting back at the very beginning just gorging on snails. He won't tap because he is hungry. I think he will win.

It looks like the girl gets to confront a male black bear at some point. Could be the deciding factor.

edr730

06-10-2016, 07:45 PM

I watched some of the program during the commercials of Uncle Buck. I don't know their names and I may get them mixed up. I saw the electrician finally moved. I can't believe he stayed so long in a place he didn't like. I think he just put too much effort into building his shelter and didn't want to move. He made the same mistake the second time too. After all that effort he didn't move even when he had water on his bag and his floor. All he had to do was throw the tarp over a sapling or a couple tied together and he would have a large umbrella dwelling and limbs to hang his clothes to dry. No wind would blow it down.
These people should be hunting. In order to hunt you must scout and then hunt mobile. You have to have the ability to move when you see opportunity. You need to scout for oppurtunity and move. You can't put up anything permanent until you are in the best possible place.
Jose will be mobile with his canoe. He can find bays and inlets of fresh water where the fish will be. He needs traps. The person who found the freshwater stream shouldn't ignore it. It is a constant supply of minnows with the traps. Lots of other food too. A lake would be a god send. I'd be climbing trees to find them.

Zylumn

06-10-2016, 11:38 PM

"Screw them, they were weak." Dr Sheldon Cooper.

So far they have proven that any moron, psycho or bush hippie can make it for three weeks if they don't hurt themselves and they are not scared of the dark.

They are almost down to the serious contenders at this point. Three more men who are tired of wet and hungry and the lone woman remaining.

The girl could stick it out to the end but I think there will be some "incident" which triggers a flight response and she will hit the panic button before she thinks about what she is doing.

I think the sniper dude will climb his mountain and then tap out.

The cussing electrician is nearly under water and seeing no point in the process now. Paradise has turned into a mud hole, the universe is out to get him, all the fish are in another ocean, and nothing good has ever happened in his life.

Dave is about to get hungry enough to trade $500k for a cheeseburger.

They still have 5 episodes remaining and 5 people to eliminate, they are really stringing the deal out.

Right now my money is on the Alaskan dude to win. I expect him to have extra food stored and be sitting in a rocking chair, waiting for them to come tell him he won.

But I have been wrong before, once, long ago, and I can't remember what it was about.

You nailed it here.
Come on ALONE you had 3000-5000 applicants and you picked these 5 that have tapped so far. 3 more to go right away.
I guess to be part of the show you have to let on that you could tap right away "emotional problems" "pussy whipped" etc..
If everyone taps after 50 max days the expenses of the show would sure go down; no rescue team, medical team, plane and boat rentals etc..

hunter63

06-10-2016, 11:54 PM

Well, I have applied to the first show...."Survivor" and volunteered to be the "Token Geezer" and get voted off the island right away.

That way I can hang out at the hotel sipping umbrella drinks, with the hotties that get voted out for 38 more days.....

No luck.

kaze

06-11-2016, 03:11 AM

It's really annoying that so many contestants are questioning themselves why they are out there. Why do these people even sign up to compete in a survival reality show if they don't even know why they are doing it? Then seeing them tap out so early cuz they feel lonely. I mean they are not even alone for the entire duration. A crew comes and replace the batteries and a medic checks on their health every week. So they actually get human contact once a week. Mike tapping out early definitely surprise me. I thought he would go the distance. Although it's clear he's is co-dependent on Barbara. He's emotionally unstable without her. Randy tapping out was expected. He wasn't doing so well. He barely caught anything. He likes to think he can survive out there with his skillset but he can't. That loneliness was partly an excuse for him to quit. He has this fantasy idea of what a great life it would be to live off the land but in reality it's a hard life not many city folks can bear.

I think Justin should tap out soon for his own sake. I really like Justin but he's making a lot of bad decisions. You can tell he's very weak. Now that he's shelter is ruined and instead of making a new one right away he is going to waste his last energy on climbing a mountain? And Dave is in the same boat, except at least Dave doesn't waste his energy, Dave is wasting a lot of time though.

Larry is the wild card. I don't see him tapping out soon. One good thing going for Larry is the loneliness does not bother him. Nicole and Jose is doing well. I hope those two are the finalist. I like them both.

WalkingTree

06-11-2016, 06:48 AM

Jose's boat building is kinda impressive.

Mike has actually crafted a few things. Not been sitting around. Doesn't just have a tarp hanging and that's it. That football game is funny. But is forgetting that he could bring some money home to Barbara, as his 'selfish self-serving purpose' for being out there.

That's all I had to say. But they had some things to say.

Great quotes from episode 7:

David -

"I got one sock on...means I'm headed out the door."

"I gotta put the other sock on."

"You might swagger into the bush, but you'll stagger out of the bush."

"The real burden of being out here is this other full time job I have of being a camera man. I'm out here surviving and trying to work and do all the things I need to do...and, I'm a camera man."

"[Homemade gill net] It's much more visible than the other one...but the other one hasn't caught anything yet...so it can't work worse than that. Right?"

"[Capable of winning $500,000] Just trying to figure out what I'm going to do with the rest of my life after this. It'd be great if I had a career to go back to. There's gotta be something out there for me."

Justin -

"I've decided to quit moping around, like a little baby, and get some stuff done."

Larry -

"I didn't have to get up at four in the morning, I didn't have to get up at four in the morning, I can get up whenever I want, I can get up whenever I want."

"I made a hole through the top of this stump, and I would think that it should draw through the top [fire/smoke]."

"I can't believe that I did that. I woke up this morning...the whole thing [stump] was basically engulfed [fire]. This whole trunk is burned out."

Jose -

"I'm starting to look like an old fart".

From the Ask Alan Kay: Loneliest Moment video clip -

"In the woods I usually don't feel too terribly alone...in society, everybody is so detached anyway, nobody's looking at each other, nobody's paying attention to each other...and out there I was living on such a base level, and I was so connected and dialed in, that I just really didn't feel that alone."

NightSG

06-13-2016, 03:13 AM

Jose's boat building is kinda impressive.

Kinda? If he gets bored, he's going to end up whittling himself a claw foot bathtub and a flamenco guitar to play while he's soaking.

WalkingTree

06-13-2016, 01:28 PM

Me and him would be in a two man band out there. Showing our projects off to each other.

That's how you survive on a show like this. Except that it didn't work for Mike I guess.

NightSG

06-13-2016, 05:18 PM

Me and him would be in a two man band out there. Showing our projects off to each other.

That's how you survive on a show like this. Except that it didn't work for Mike I guess.

I've wondered several times just how this show would go if they had pairs of people instead of singles. (Picking your own partner, of course.) It could be a really interesting spinoff idea if they're looking for a way to change things up later.

hunter63

06-13-2016, 05:24 PM

I've wondered several times just how this show would go if they had pairs of people instead of singles. (Picking your own partner, of course.) It could be a really interesting spinoff idea if they're looking for a way to change things up later.

Yeah...then it would be like Duel Survival.....Oh wait, they have one of them.....
So, Ok have the pair be naked.....of wait, they already have that, too.....

Never mind...........

Carry on.

NightSG

06-13-2016, 06:11 PM

Yeah...then it would be like Duel Survival.....Oh wait, they have one of them.....
So, Ok have the pair be naked.....of wait, they already have that, too.....

DS has the "get your own *** out" aspect that I generally don't care for. (Assuming the drop point is livable, of course.) Same for DYS, MWW, One Car Too Far, etc.
N&A just went to a downright silly extreme with no clothing and one item.

Alone is a more realistic situation that could happen either from being marooned, hiding out from something (oppressive government, on the lam, or just getting away from a failing society until it stabilizes) or just from wanting to avoid people for a while. Variations on the (usually inadvisable unless you're very familiar with the area) self rescue thing have been done to death, so the "sit tight and get comfy" scenario needs its own expansion.

WalkingTree

06-13-2016, 06:56 PM

I'd like to see my last scenario in post #24 here

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?28229-Reality-T-V-if-YOU-were-in-charge/page2

WalkingTree

06-13-2016, 11:17 PM

For the concept of team, this ain't too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQ2gSsFYUs

Grizz123

06-14-2016, 08:22 AM

For the concept of team, this ain't too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQ2gSsFYUs

link is private

finallyME

06-14-2016, 09:02 AM

I like the Alone part of the show. It really showcases a common problem that most people have...including myself. People generally like to be around other people. There are always exceptions, but as a rule, people have a hard time being alone for a long time. I know at least one person with a mental problem that if she is alone for a long period of time, she becomes suicidal. The fact that there is a psychological condition with a name for this means that she isn't the only one.
And then, the show starts out with alone with predators and ends with alone with your thoughts. Hey, you have to weed out people somehow.

edr730

06-14-2016, 08:11 PM

Lots of whining on the show. When I was a boy I was taught not to whine and I was ridiculed or laughed at if I did. I learned not to do it and it helped me. Being alone is not for whiners because nobody is there to listen. They want to go home and whine and have someone listen . I think that and the fact that few of them have ever been without complete protected security in their life is the reason so many drop out. Few of them have ever had enough challenges in their lives that they had to surmount without support of others.
Of course, I realize that many have no knowledge of how to obtain food in an area with much food. Lack of knowledge and hunger are always legitimate. reasons to drop out.

WalkingTree

06-14-2016, 10:39 PM

Darn it. What happened. My link was for the t.v. show "spartan ultimate team challenge".

NightSG

06-15-2016, 04:49 PM

Wilderness survival just like bear grylls, right? Yea, right. The guy who creates sensationalism out of drinking your own pee to survive.

https://youtu.be/xUFQ2ECfPOw

kyratshooter

06-17-2016, 12:10 AM

Very boring episode this week.

Even the Alaskans are whining!

WeekendWarrior

06-17-2016, 07:03 AM

Not sure why David doesn't try and move and find a better spot for his nets. He hasn't caught anything a 3 weeks. Way past time to try a new spot. Not sure how active he is in trying to find food. I don't know what the rules are for moving are. I know they can move, but how far can they go?

Nicole is literally throwing food away, I wonder if this will come back to haunt her. I would think she should try and smoke or dry the extra meat to save for later. Though it might be tough in such a high humidity environment.

Not sure about Jose, he has mad crafting/bushcraft skills, but not sure how "smart" he is. Does he really need to build a boat to reach a stream. Is he stuck on a small island?

I figured Justin would get hurt and tap after climbing his mountain. He has the determination to get the job done, but seems to be lacking in a sense to put that determination to good use. Just about the opposite of David.

David has the skills, seems resigned to sit in one spot and mope. Not going to last much longer at this rate.
Nicole has been lucky so far, but what will happen when the cold hits and the bounty ceases, will she be able to make the transition?
Jose can he put his mad skills to good use?
Justin can he funnel his energy and determination into better shelter and finding food, or is it too late.
Larry can't live on mice alone. I don't think he can last much longer.

kaze

06-17-2016, 11:55 AM

I'm starting to worry about Justin. That was pretty risky when he climb that mountain. Glad it gave him a second wind to keep going. Even though he has the heart and motivation to keep going, it seems like he just doesn't have the knowledge as far as I can tell. I hope he doesn't hurt himself and force to quit. He reminds me of Sam in season 1.

Nicole is doing great. But she needs to start thinking long term. She should start stock piling food for when bad weather come. I agree with weekendwarrior that she should have smoke the salmon for future use. That's what the Natives did. I think for Nicole it will come down to missing her family that might get her to quit. But by then maybe the others already quit.

Jose is a fantastic outdoors man. He seems the most comfortable being out there with nature. As impressive as his boat appears, I see a flaw with it. The base of his boat seems to be too round and narrow. That boat will roll over in rough waters. He should add some stabilizers to that boat. Hopefully, when that boat is finish he'll get some good use out of it. I bet he wishes he were at where Nicole is at.

Dave is really struggling. It's kinda sad to see him slowly deteriorating and the only thing that is motivating him is winning that money for his kids. I don't know how old his kids are but when they grow up, they don't care how much you make. As long as you love them and try your best to take care of them. That's all that matters. If the kids are old enough, they can take care of themselves.

Where is Larry? So surprise he didn't get any screen time. I kinda hope that mouse follow him to his new camp. It's like watching Tom and Jerry. lol

Grizz123

06-17-2016, 01:35 PM

I dont know what Justin is thinking?? If he wants to be an inspiration to vets with PTSD he needs to choose battles that will lead him to victory on the island, not climbing a hill because its there...

kyratshooter

06-17-2016, 03:41 PM

He has an Army background Grizz, he is used to doing things for no D@&% good reason!

He also has no concept of calorie conservation. That has been evident from the start when he made his jungle gym and promoted daily exercise sessions.

Some folks take a while to figure things out. Successful gill net strategy= find a stream and stretch your net at the mouth of the stream. Spawning salmon head up the streams.

Nichole is not only catching fish she is grazing. She gathers several hundred calories every time she leaves her shelter in plant nutrition, which is also giving her a better balanced diet. But I agree that she should have a smoker set up. The salmon run will eventually end. Just a wigwam of greenery with racks inside and a low smoky fire would preserve the fish. Five pounds of calorie dense salmon would mean two weeks additional stay=$500k

While Nichole is thriving, Dave, Justin and Larry are walking past the same plants and starving.

Jose is going to be a hard man to beat. I am thinking that in the end it may come down to Jose and Nichole.

They are going to have to get rid of some folks real soon, they are running out of episodes and I am getting bored with some of the foolishness being exhibited by the "pros". After all, we are getting the edited edition and they could skip to the action any time they wish.

Would you put your life in the hands of Dave, Larry or Justin? They would have you dropping for pushups, swearing at the trees or staring out into space while every day you poke another notch into your belt!

NightSG

06-17-2016, 04:01 PM

He also has no concept of calorie conservation. That has been evident from the start when he made his jungle gym and promoted daily exercise sessions.

This. I could see some targeted exercises focused on things he's likely to need at some point but doesn't get much of daily, but a full morning PT routine only works when you also have a chow hall nearby.

Now, climbing the mountain to scout for resources? Sure. Climbing it just to make a point? Maybe after a few months, with a good food supply laid in.

WalkingTree

06-17-2016, 09:44 PM

While I concur with commentary made thus far (want to slap Justin for hurting his knee for example), I do have to say that maybe Justin doesn't consider the purpose of the show or his win as important, but feels that what he's doing climbing that mountain is more important - using the show as an opportunity to put it out there. And maybe that's not a bad thing at all. Instead of it being dumb within the context of the show, maybe it should be seen as selfless and honorable...not caring about the money or how well he does, but this other thing instead. Of course, for him to do how he should be doing for the show, and to win the show, would be good to this end as well.

Nicole should pee on her gillnet posts. For those black bears.

Uh-oh. David said he missed his kids, and got choked up. Done passed into that danger zone.

And then it's over. I just started watching this thing. And then it's over. That was an hour? An hour of what?

kyratshooter

06-17-2016, 09:54 PM

I told you it was a boring episode 7 posts back!

Grizz123

06-21-2016, 10:12 AM

WalkingTree

06-21-2016, 12:21 PM

Yea...........

Of course, for him to do how he should be doing for the show, and to win the show, would be good to this end as well.

NightSG

06-21-2016, 02:32 PM

Nichole is not only catching fish she is grazing. She gathers several hundred calories every time she leaves her shelter in plant nutrition, which is also giving her a better balanced diet. But I agree that she should have a smoker set up. The salmon run will eventually end. Just a wigwam of greenery with racks inside and a low smoky fire would preserve the fish. Five pounds of calorie dense salmon would mean two weeks additional stay=$500k

But then how do you store it with the bears around? Not too close to camp, or you're inviting them in, and farther away you won't have a chance to defend it. Rope up in a tree will work for a while, but they'll eventually mess with the rope or climb the tree.

kyratshooter

06-21-2016, 04:19 PM

For thousands of years the natives of Alaska have smoked, dried and cured fish while keeping the finished product in various forms of caches.

The answer to the bear problem is simple, the 3 S-rule; Shoot them, smoke them and shut up about them, and do it all with the dang camera shut off!

Not a single person has figured out that there is an OFF button on that camera and bear were considered a necessary source of fat for surviving the winter in that area.

Keeps them out of your salmon cache too!

edr730

06-21-2016, 09:00 PM

Justin climbed a mountain top and didn't bother looking around for any creeks or rivers. Or better, he should have climbed a tree on the mountain top and had a good look. I don't know the area, but here, the the salmon run would be near the end of September.
They need shallow still areas to spear the salmon. They need salt or ocean water, wood and whatever type of smokehouse they can set up. They should see thirty salmon in one place from the shore. They can spear them, snare them, or shine them with a light at night and spear them, wier or trap them. They should have always been thinking about rivers and creeks from the first day. Salmon isn't the only large fish that can be speared while spawning on the river if you are in the right place and time. There are too many other animals and foods to mention on the rivers and streams.

NightSG

06-22-2016, 11:22 AM

Justin climbed a mountain top and didn't bother looking around for any creeks or rivers.

Wish they were still showing the specific spots on the map; I'm curious how far he was from Winter Harbor. If their season 1 maps were accurate, Sam could have hiked in each morning for breakfast.

WalkingTree

06-22-2016, 11:09 PM

I noticed that this season they aren't zooming in much on where they are when they show that overhead map view...and was thinking that they discovered that they can't let people know exactly where they are cause maybe you get some tourists or explorers dropping in and becoming a nuisance?

kyratshooter

06-23-2016, 01:40 AM

Walking tree, the show was taped back in the fall, 6-8 months ago.

Any one rushing out to see them now would find them long gone.

WalkingTree

06-23-2016, 06:56 PM

yea, but I just mean geeks going to look for souveners or something, don't want lots of people messing around, or maybe they'll go to the same general areas again?

Winter

06-24-2016, 03:49 AM

None of the crabs they caught were dungeness crabs. I thought it odd they kept proclaiming them to be. To be honest, I don't know what they are. I've seen crab that look very much like them but never that size. Tanner crab are close, but the claws are different and tanner are much larger.

I'm confused.

Found it, but I've never seen one in the wild, which I find odd.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/mrp/shellfish/crab/images/kelp_crab_ID_ODFW.jpg

kaze

06-24-2016, 04:44 AM

I'm very happy for Justin. He left on good terms and I think he has become a wiser person. I hope he has a great life ahead. The rest seems to be doing well. Everyone is making progress and catching food. Competition is getting tougher and anyone of them can win this. Looks like this season is going the distance. Can't wait to see how the remainder contestants deal with winter weather.

Rick

06-24-2016, 08:01 AM

That, my friend, is an alien. I am certain I've seen that on Predator, The Blob or some show.

Grizz123

06-24-2016, 09:14 AM

Grizz123

06-24-2016, 09:17 AM

That, my friend, is an alien. I am certain I've seen that on Predator, The Blob or some show.

LOL, those were my first thought too. Maybe the shape of an alien ship, without the claws. Sort of has the body shape of a horseshoe crab too, but backwards

crashdive123

06-24-2016, 12:39 PM

kyratshooter

06-24-2016, 02:00 PM

Justin could not cope with not having someone there to tell him how great he is, or a superior officer there to keep him on track and focused.

Ya see, if you whistle the National Anthem while you do something that makes it OK. I was waiting for jets to fly overhead in formation there for a second

Winter

06-24-2016, 03:20 PM

Justin's soliloquy in front of the camera about accomplishing all that he intended had/has me puzzled. If that was your goal in coming on the show, why come on? If that is true, then maybe he came onto the show under false pretenses? To me there was nothing noble or leaving on good terms. He couldn't hack it and he tapped. As long as he is at peace with that, that is all that really matters.

That's kinda what I was thinking. In the first week out there, you'd best search your soul and decide if you want to win or not. If not, leave that first week (or when you meet your weight loss goals LOL).

He was bored and working out? How the hell are you bored and starving at the same time? What a weird guy.

WalkingTree

06-24-2016, 08:30 PM

Well...Justin dies of plain old boredom.

Let's spin it two times for Larry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcu6Gc5sCU

Mazer

06-25-2016, 11:08 PM

None of the crabs they caught were dungeness crabs. I thought it odd they kept proclaiming them to be. To be honest, I don't know what they are. I've seen crab that look very much like them but never that size. Tanner crab are close, but the claws are different and tanner are much larger.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/mrp/shellfish/crab/images/kelp_crab_ID_ODFW.jpg
You are spot on.....obviously not from the PNW

kaze

07-01-2016, 05:40 AM

Well, it looks like Nicole's luck has finally ran out. I hope she will adapt and try to catch fish with her fishing lines and hooks like Dave is doing.

I'm glad Jose finally decides to fish from his bay instead of chasing those salmons. With all those seagulls around I'm surprise he didn't try to make a bird trap and catch them too.

David is doing really well despite falling into the water. He has figure out how to fish from his shore and I think he will go the distance. What a turn around for him.

Larry is breaking down. I'll be surprise if he makes it pass the next episode.

finallyME

07-01-2016, 10:02 AM

Yeah, Nichole is going to learn why people pack food away for the winter.

Larry is taping next.

kyratshooter

07-01-2016, 11:47 AM

Larry better tap out quickly or he is not going to remember the phone number for 911. His last brain cell is on life support.

Him making it to day 50 just shows that any fool can make it for two months.

In the real world Nichole would have eaten the seals, just like the bears. She would have moved her net closer to shore and used it as bait to harpoon them from a blind.

These people are all being constrained from real world survival by the rules.

WalkingTree

07-01-2016, 01:49 PM

Just what I was thinking - eat the darned seal. 'Cept I figured they're not allowed to.

I'd already thought of laying some loose stones onto my fish, so they won't flop away or get taken so easily by an unpatriotic eagle like from David - would at least take a few more moments during which I'd catch that eagle red-clawed.

kyratshooter

07-01-2016, 02:01 PM

Grizz123

07-01-2016, 02:25 PM

Don't know if anyone noticed but when Dave fell in the water he lost his heavy monofilament line.

Since he has been totally dependent on line fishing his tap out clock might now be ticking.

I think if I was about to lose my only life support line I might just dive in and get it back if I was wet anyway!

Did he get into the sleeping bag with all his wet clothes on?

He most likely will be able to find the line at low tide unless it hooks a fish, then he is screwed.

kaze

07-01-2016, 06:14 PM

Don't know if anyone noticed but when Dave fell in the water he lost his heavy monofilament line.

Since he has been totally dependent on line fishing his tap out clock might now be ticking.

I think if I was about to lose my only life support line I might just dive in and get it back if I was wet anyway!

Did he get into the sleeping bag with all his wet clothes on?

I assume Dave has more fishing lines than that. He lost the 100lb test lines (not sure if that was all of it), but he still has the 50lb test lines. So he should be fine.

edr730

07-02-2016, 12:16 AM

David found his niche for a while. It is as if he lost his home and retirement for now. It could be depressing, but his attitude has been pretty good so far in the face of not having much. Perhaps, as Grizz said, low tide will help him. If he still needs to go into the water, he will need a fire very close to him. Warm for 15 minutes and go in for thirty seconds. It's easy. Without it the cold water can make a sissy out of you pretty quick as he experienced when he wanted to go in for the line. His knowledge is limited, his determanation is pretty decent and we will see what happens.
Jose missed the mother load when he missed the salmon run. He is slow, steady and resourceful. Nicole has never been tested. Larry is....I guess Kayrat already said it.
They have all ignored the great abundance of minnows and crayfish in the fresh water streams. I've never trapped minnows in what appears to be October there. When the fishing stops being very good nobody buys minnows, but there may still be pike and trout. But the ocean, from what I've seen on television keeps on producing.
Without being able to kill the bears or the seals or having missed the salmon run it would be a tough winter.

kyratshooter

07-02-2016, 01:35 AM

It appears that next week Jose is going to eat the mussels despite the warning about red tide.

I did a google of that particular situation and it appears that the red tide concentrates botulism virus in the filtering shellfish.

I am sure he will try to boil the mussels to kill the poison but botulism is the reason we use pressure cookers to can food. You have to get the virus above the normal boiling point to kill it.

I suppose we will see how that works out. We will know when his lips start going numb and paralysis sits in!

Jose has the skills and ability to be the winner, but if he poisons himself it will be up to Nicole and Dave to do the deed.

That is unless Larry is the last man to leave because he goes completely bonkers, forgets to call for a tap out, and goes running naked through the woods and they finally have to chase him down with a net!

At that point we will learn why Vancouver Island has more bigfoot sightings than any other place in the world. Bigfoot is really people that went insane on the Alone filming and the crew never found them for the trip back home.

kaze

07-02-2016, 06:11 AM

Since we are down to the last 4 contestants, let's make our prediction on the winner. Who's your pick to win this contest base on what we have seen so far?

I think Larry has mentally check out, so don't think he'll win.
Nicole seems to be struggling now and getting weaker by the day. Once the cold weather comes, I don't see her enduring so she'll tap.
Jose has a lot of knowledge but seems like he's not focus. I think he wasted a lot of time on building that boat. The time he spent on building that boat he could have use it to build fish traps. I think Kyra might be right, Jose could potentially poison himself by eating those muscles and tap out.
So my pick to win this is David. He has figure out how to fish and catch crabs from his location and that will help him outlast the other contestants.

WalkingTree

07-02-2016, 08:25 PM

If Jose eats red tide mussels and gets sick I give the heck up on trying to understand any of this. All bets are off if I see that crap happen. Anything's possible then.

kyratshooter

07-07-2016, 10:40 PM

Well. for those without cable access Nichole is gone.

She used up all the available resources, the seals trashed her nets and she never developed line fishing skills, and the salmon run ended, all her veggies froze and she was missing her kids.

Still, she made it for 58 days, which was two days longer than Allan had to endure last season to win!

And she did it while coping with MS.

Quite a girl and one I would be proud to share a campfire with.

Jose ate the red tide mussels and apparently lived.

Larry is still there, doing a lot of crying now. After 58 days he has about decided that being an electrician with a warm house, table full of food and a tolerant wife is not such a bad deal. However, I think he may require some intense therapy before he returns to society. He is going to have flashbacks and nightmares for a while.

Dave is plodding along. I think he is eating better than the rest.

All of them are spending a great deal of time trying to stay warm and all of the are talking a lot about tapping out.

That amuses me some. Half have tapped out because they were accomplishing nothing, the other half because they had accomplished what they intended. Searching for truth, inner peace, their purpose in life, their reason for existence.

Did anyone really go out there with the goal of staying longer than anyone, outlasting everyone in the heard and having a will to win?

Have even the survivors lowered themselves to the point where a participation trophy is enough?

kaze

07-08-2016, 04:08 AM

Sad to see Nicole tap, but I'm surprise she didn't attempt to catch fish with lines or trap those ducks that keeps wandering by her camp. But I knew missing her kids will eventually do her in.

Jose looks like he's about to reach his limit too. Him realizing his wife is the most important prize reminds me of why Mike tap out earlier. I guess a single person would have a clear advantage in situation like this.

I can't believe Larry's still in it. I thought for sure he's tapping this episode but guess he's not willing to go back to his old life yet no matter how much he is sick of the area. I'm glad he realize how fortunate he is of his wife. I do hope he treats her better when he gets home.

David is the clear favorite to win this contest. When he started this contest he was clear about his goal of winning the money. He's the only one who talks about how much that money could do for him and his kids. That's why I don't think he'll tap. And now that he knows how to catch food, he will outlast the others.

WalkingTree

07-08-2016, 01:40 PM

Did anyone really go out there with the goal of staying longer than anyone, outlasting everyone in the heard and having a will to win?
Heh...yea...whadup widat?

hunter63

07-08-2016, 02:13 PM

Heh...yea...whadup widat?

What a concept, Huh?.....
Like we haven't heard this before.....same as "Survivor"....except a drab, wet whinny, bear ridden area of operations.
No hot chicks in bikinis.....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/new%20cool%20stuff%20nov%2015/c07354_8775c9da8457115ef12a1b974da994c0_zpsjvwo6t2 k.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/hunter63/media/new%20cool%20stuff%20nov%2015/c07354_8775c9da8457115ef12a1b974da994c0_zpsjvwo6t2 k.jpg.html)

NitroHunter

07-08-2016, 05:19 PM

I think David looks the strongest right now. Jose showed signs that he could tap at any time and Larry probably hung himself if they didn't come in the next couple days and tell him he won.

hunter63

07-09-2016, 10:57 AM

I'm thinking the toughest part is Not knowing what is going on, or when it is over.....without a specific end date.
That also has to be one of the toughest parts of any "for real" survival situation.

Grizz123

07-09-2016, 12:10 PM

I think David looks the strongest right now. Jose showed signs that he could tap at any time and Larry probably hung himself if they didn't come in the next couple days and tell him he won.

keep in mind the editors "create" a few minutes of the drama from countless hours of recording in order to keep the audience watching. I think Larry will win because they have portrayed him as being so hotheaded.

I would like to see David or Jose win but without seeing all the unedited footage its hard to say my feelings have not been biased...

WalkingTree

07-09-2016, 04:12 PM

I'm thinking the toughest part is Not knowing what is going on, or when it is over.....without a specific end date.
That also has to be one of the toughest parts of any "for real" survival situation.
That's why you go out there to stay. To "win"...a bunch of money. Not whine about stuff. You go out there to outlast everyone else, therefore you set up for a long haul without ever fussing over how long it might be or wondering how the others are doing. You don't even think about it. You don't expect to do it for a certain finite length of time. You have to want to be there. To like being there. Sheesh...they get to a point and say "I've accomplished surviving" when all they're talking about is having some success with water and food and sleeping; They get to that point and say "I've done what I've come out here to do", and get so bored and lonely. No, you haven't done what you went out there to do. You went out there to outlast others. Der. Get off your arse and stop being so bored. You create your own boredom or interest. My goodness, if I were doing good enough to still be there and halfway healthy after a month or so, I'd move on to building my own freaking village or something. Sculptures. Totem poles. A real dwelling. A real cooking setup. Musical instruments. Exploring some and taking that chance to appreciate where I am and enjoy it. Heck before any of that a lot could be done just upgrading my various food-getting procedures. And it wouldn't be a chore, it'd be fun...some of these folks think of it as a dreaded chore, and that's a problem. Per the quote at the beginning of this last episode, you succeed when you find meaning or purpose in the work or suffering. Inactivity and boredom and the feeling of pointlessness just wouldn't ever come up. I just don't understand that jazz.

Rick

07-09-2016, 08:30 PM

I would have a real problem being on that show. What if you sneeze? No one to bless you. High fives are impossible. Tug of war? Yeah, right. I mean, come on, they don't even have a volleyball.

kyratshooter

07-10-2016, 05:29 AM

If they did one of these in the south it would be no problem.

If you sneezed the whole woods would simply echo "bless your little heart".

I don't know why, seems it just happens down here as part of the whole southern deal.

Of course it might have a different connotation than what the mere words imply, but that is part of the culture too.

Rick

07-10-2016, 06:51 AM

I once sat in a meeting in which a peer manager bragged about some accomplishment to another manager who happened to be a gal of the south. She looked the bragging manager straight in the eye and said, "That's so nice. That's so very, very nice," and went on with her day. It's hard to have a rebuttal when you are trying to figure out if you've just been complimented or rebuked. Yeah, I know, :offtopic:

WalkingTree

07-10-2016, 02:59 PM

If Jose eats red tide mussels and gets sick I give the heck up on trying to understand any of this. All bets are off if I see that crap happen. Anything's possible then.
Well, now that I seen the episode...they weren't exposed to red tide anyway, else good boiling takes care of it.

edr730

07-10-2016, 06:34 PM

The red tide there is caused from algae bloom and can not be eliminated by boiling. It just wasn't strong enough to affect him even though the warnings were still in place. It can have an accumulated effect over time also. Botulism can be safe with boiling if you eat right away. When boiled and canned it can reappear due to the spores which were never killed by simple boiling. At least that's what I've read about it.

kyratshooter

07-10-2016, 07:05 PM

The deal with Botulism is that you can kill the toxin by boiling, but not the organism itself, which continues to produce toxin.

Depending on the conditions and source, it can take up to 10 days for the spores to again generate enough toxin for symptoms to be evident.

He could actually win, go home, then die from botulism weeks latter.

NitroHunter

07-10-2016, 09:27 PM

keep in mind the editors "create" a few minutes of the drama from countless hours of recording in order to keep the audience watching. I think Larry will win because they have portrayed him as being so hotheaded.

I would like to see David or Jose win but without seeing all the unedited footage its hard to say my feelings have not been biased...

Good point. I've watched a few of Larry's Youtube videos and if I had never watched Alone, I would not of imagined him being so hot headed. It is pretty much up to how the editors want to portray each person I guess. I do think Jose could stay there as long as he wanted to, David WANTS to win the money and is eating good so he could stay a while longer. Larry has the skills if he just don't let the mental aspect of it take him out.......

finallyME

07-11-2016, 10:23 AM

Nichole quite because she ran out of food. She had it fairly easy for the first part in the food area. Yes, a lot of that was from her experience. She knew the plants. I don't think she really thought about winter and the lack of green stuff. I also don't think she was thinking much of what to do after the salmon stopped running. I think David is the opposite. He didn't really capitalize on the plants and had a really hard time finding food. That forced him to find other food sources. I think his food sources are more winter proof and so he should be finding food in the future a little easier.
Nichole has been amazing though. She didn't run from the bears and really showed her knowledge and skill. Any real woman has that strong maternal draw to nurture her kids. She is definitely a real woman, and was able to push on as long as she did.

I really don't think Larry is going to win. I still think Jose can pull it off, but I don't know if he is going to. David is definitely looking the strongest right now.

NightSG

07-11-2016, 02:33 PM

So who's betting on a new location for next season now that all possible contestants have seen David's crabbing luck?

Also seems like crabs would keep better; you could make a cage to keep them alive indefinitely, build up a week's food supply that way and focus on other things like scouting for more resources or improving the camp without having to be constantly concerned about food. The morale boost of having a guaranteed week of a full belly would be huge, too.

IMO, you just need the ingredients for matzo ball soup; within 5 minutes of starting to make it, a half dozen Jewish mothers will show up to tell you how you're doing it wrong.

kyratshooter

07-11-2016, 05:59 PM

They have already announced that the nest series will be filmed in Patagonia.

You know the place, down in South America on the edges of Chile and Argentina.

That is about as far from Vancouver Island as you can get, and a guarantee that NONE of the American contests can call it their "home range".

hunter63

07-11-2016, 06:11 PM

..........
IMO, you just need the ingredients for matzo ball soup; within 5 minutes of starting to make it, a half dozen Jewish mothers will show up to tell you how you're doing it wrong.

Now that is a fact........LOL......Or 5 Italian mothers cooking for you 24/7........

Rick

07-11-2016, 07:38 PM

You can kill C. botulinum by cooking it in a pressure cooker at 250F for 30 minutes. I doubt anyone took a pressure cooker with them on the show however.

edr730

07-11-2016, 08:33 PM

It seems that despite the thousands of videos on the internet, in the end, the contestants fall back on personal experience. David remembered catching crabs in his youth. Nichole had foraged for those plants before. Jose had personal experience in watching or building a canoe. I have seen too many times when people are experts after you show them how to do something when before they were lost at what to do. Experience and then actually using what you have seen on the internet is vital. I have seen many times on this forum about how important snares and traps are. This is what should be done. One hundred traps and snares. I know rivers. I can't say I know rivers like those who have showed me, but I know that I would hunt the rivers relentlesly. The minnow, the crayfish, and all the animals are there to trap or snare. On the other hand, I would have never had any experience to catch the crabs as David has done. The ocean for me would have been guess work and how it related to fresh water. I think the greatest mistake of the contestants is failure to find the best creeks or rivers for the salmon run. It is a massive failure of lack of experience, despite all the videos, of the habitat.

Batch

07-11-2016, 11:21 PM

I googled Patigonia and they said the temps were like 77 to 29 degrees Fahrenheit. Seriously. I'm moving there. LOL

I can camp comfortable at 29 degrees in my South Florida bag and a cheap fleece liner.

Those temps are also a sweet spot for most foraging books.

finallyME

07-12-2016, 08:56 AM

IMO, you just need the ingredients for matzo ball soup; within 5 minutes of starting to make it, a half dozen Jewish mothers will show up to tell you how you're doing it wrong.

reminds me of the ol' joke.... A rich jewish couple are stranded on a deserted island. The husband asks the wife, "Did you give the monthly donation to the synagogue?" "No dear". "Great, it won't take them long to track us down."

WalkingTree

07-12-2016, 01:42 PM

If you're in something for the long haul, like being on this show, knowing how to get food (and water)...animals and plants...and putting out the effort to get it, constantly, is vital. Fire and shelter and other crafty things are important...but you gotta get that food. Seems many of them don't try too much to do that. Instead their solution is to conserve. But you can't just conserve, doing nothing, indefinitely. All the other things that you need to do, including getting that food and water, takes energy which you get from food and water. Instead of being bored and sitting around and talking about how they start dwelling on things, they could be instituting a lot more activities geared for food.

NightSG

07-12-2016, 02:43 PM

They have already announced that the nest series will be filmed in Patagonia.

They seem to have a preference for places where it gets cold. I was sort of hoping for something in the Tropics for a completely different climate challenge. OTOH, I guess heatstroke can be sneakier than hypothermia, so it could be a liability issue.

kyratshooter

07-12-2016, 03:35 PM

Walking Tree, their food gathering activities are determined and controlled by the tide rhythms. They can gather at low tide and fish at high tide and when the weather is bad and the seas rough they can do neither.

That means that they are going to have serious down time due to those sea rhythms and the 100 inches of rain that fall annually in that area. You simply can not do anything for long portions of the day.

None of the contestants in either series have had any success at trapping or hunting on land due to the nature of the land and apparent scarcity of small game. No, occasional mice do not count!

Rather than running around burning calories while frantically seeking what is not available they conserve their body fat as much as possible. It is actually the smart thing to do in this situation.

If they are sedentary or nearly inactive they may not burn but 1000-1500 calories daily. The old 2200 daily calorie need is for a "moderately active" person. The guy that walks a couple of miles each day and exercises at the gym for an hour. That is why we can diet at 1500 calories and never lose weight in the real world.

A pound of fat contains 3500 calories so if you get 400-500 calories a day and only use 1000 to sustain life you will only lose a couple of pounds each week.

These guys know this and they loaded up and gained weight before the series, or should have. Last year's winner, Allan, gained 20 pounds before going in.

WalkingTree

07-12-2016, 07:51 PM

(kyratshooter) I mean stuff like - within the fishing limitations you mention, for example, instead of one gill net or one water-oriented foraging excursion, couldn't they create several fish trap areas instead of just one? Stock up on a bunch of crabs as someone suggested, or Nicole getting all the salmon she can while they're there and smoke them for future meals, trot lines, many land based traps, try to lure in a bird, etc.

crashdive123

07-13-2016, 06:28 AM

Dave knows how to build a bird trap. Maybe he hasn't because sea birds are off limits to them?

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?2842-quot-Arapuca-quot-Live-Bird-Trap&p=46146#post46146

NitroHunter

07-13-2016, 02:49 PM

You know when the show comes on it shows Jose turning over in his canoe/boat whatever you want to call it. If that has already been shown I've not saw it. I'm just wondering if that is yet to come or if it is something that happened when he first tried the boat and the editors just put it on the intro to get more interest in the show.

crashdive123

07-13-2016, 02:52 PM

It hasn't been in the regular footage yet, so you may be right about yet to come or a tease.

kyratshooter

07-13-2016, 03:36 PM

One of the things that all the contestants from last season spoke about in interviews was the amount of editing done by the producers which eliminated much of their "work" and almost all their foraging.

All they showed was people sitting or lying around moaning and complaining in the rain when the participants were walking great distances beachcombing, hunting in the woods and going on extended hunting and fishing trips away from their camps. They were also getting more food than was shown in the edited script. They were hungry and losing weight, but they were getting some food.

Jose turned his boat over the first time he got into it, that is why he added the outriggers. He was right at the shore and in no danger, so it was a learning experience and led to modifications.

NitroHunter

07-13-2016, 06:49 PM

Jose turned his boat over the first time he got into it, that is why he added the outriggers. He was right at the shore and in no danger, so it was a learning experience and led to modifications.

I don't think he actually went in the water that time did he? When it comes on he clearly goes in the water.
Seems like they would have showed him drying out and trying to avoid hypothermia. I could be wrong though.

WalkingTree

07-13-2016, 07:28 PM

Apparently Jose's boat still works well enough...but I thought that his outrigger floats needed to be a few inches lower.

NightSG

07-13-2016, 07:48 PM

IMO, Jose went way too complex considering the time crunch; the quickest boat is simply something that floats, with outriggers added. He could have done that in a day. OTOH, what he has now is pretty nice, and probably easier to paddle than what he could have whipped up quickly. Personally, I'd have gone for flat bottom, though, both to minimize bending needed and to keep the draft as shallow as possible so as to get closer to shore without grounding.

As for food gathering, yes; the best policy would be to experiment with several hands-off methods and expand as much as possible on the ones that work. Even primitive crab pots are a lot less effort than manually jigging for each crab. Same for trotlines, snares, fish traps, gill nets and land-based fence traps. Bonus is that once the equipment is made, it's very little additional effort to experiment again with seasonal changes when your initial success methods are pulling in less than before. Then there's always hunting and active fishing to bring in some variety. Identifying winter-hardy plants and farming them near camp is another long-term option as well.

kaze

07-14-2016, 02:35 AM

kaze

07-14-2016, 02:38 AM

I don't think he actually went in the water that time did he? When it comes on he clearly goes in the water.
Seems like they would have showed him drying out and trying to avoid hypothermia. I could be wrong though.

Yea, I don't think that scene has occur yet. I still think Jose will fall into the water and probably what will finally push him to tap out. He'll realize it's too dangerous and don't want to risk making his wife a widow.

hunter63

07-14-2016, 11:04 PM

Dave (Pict) is the winner!...........

kyratshooter

07-14-2016, 11:20 PM

Yep Dave held out.

Jose rolled the kayak, soaked everything he owned in 40 degree water and decided he would not make it through the night.

Actually he hit the tap out button while he was still in the water and stood waist deep in the ocean until the boat arrived. I think he was so cold and weak he could not pull the boat to shore.

Larry finally went completely bonkers and remembered where he put the phone at the same time. I do think he has had a life changing experience if he puts what he talks to work in real life.

They smuggled one of Dave's daughters in to tell him he had won. When he saw her he lost it, I think he thought he was hallucinating for a moment. He didn't realize why she was there until she told him he had won! It was a cool reunion.

I expected him to look at the crew and comment that he still had fish!

They did not go to Dave's camp until the next day after Larry tapped out. I think they wanted to let him last until day 65 for the pickup.

These guys went 2 weeks longer than last years contestants.

hunter63

07-14-2016, 11:30 PM

Congrats to Dave ......My knees could feel the hit when he fell.....Thought that was it......
Congratulations to all those that even tried it in the rain and cold....

That was hard to watch.

kyratshooter

07-14-2016, 11:57 PM

OK here is the $64,000 question.

If you had been out there eating next to nothing for 65 days, spending most of your waking hours dreaming about food,

WHAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING YOU WOULD WANT TO EAT?

hunter63

07-15-2016, 12:19 AM

I gonna guess....NOT crab....?

kaze

07-15-2016, 04:57 AM

Well done, David. You never gave up and you adapted where others didn't. As a fisherman, I am stun at seeing how many contestants don't know how to fish. So happy for you and your family.

I have also some new found respect for Larry, he gave it all he got. I do hope he learns something from this experience and be a better person.

I do feel bad for Jose, I was pulling for him to win it. But unfortunately, he made things too complicated. All his solutions seems to revolved around that boat and ironically his trust in that boat was ultimately want did him in. But he did his best and if that accident didn't happen, who knows he might win. He should be proud of his accomplishment. I'm sure his wife appreciate his effort.

Well, I can't wait for season 3. Hopefully in the new location there will be no oceans or lakes so contestants will have to rely on hunting and trapping land animals for food.

Batch

07-15-2016, 06:05 AM

I love that Mac was saying why leave now when his daughter walked up. He still had some more in the tank. There was still a little chicken on left that bone! LOL

That is how you go home! Congrats Dave!

WeekendWarrior

07-15-2016, 01:26 PM

I couldn't believe that Jose stood in the water until the rescue boat arrived. What if it took them several hours to arrive. Did he know they were right there?

kyratshooter

07-15-2016, 01:59 PM

I couldn't believe that Jose stood in the water until the rescue boat arrived. What if it took them several hours to arrive. Did he know they were right there?

All of the camps were inside a 10 mile stretch of beach area and the support crew was in a base camp somewhere in that area, meaning the boat was probably no more than 5-10 minutes from anyone at any time.

I really believe the effort to stay alive in the yak attack used up the last of his reserves. He had been wanting to go home ever since he missed the salmon run.

As has been stated, he took too much time building that extravagant boat when a bundle of spruce boughs wrapped in the tarp would have served the purpose of getting 20 meters off shore for better fishing.

I knew he was about done when he pulled in his gill net and took all night to decide if he was going to reset it when the gill net had been his primary food source.

Now regarding Dave, there is a secondary celebration going on for all the present and former divorcees in our midst.

Somewhere out there is an X-wife that just missed out on helping spend a half million bucks!

chiggersngrits

07-15-2016, 06:01 PM

Congrats Pict (Dave). I think he could have gone 100 days. He really got his second wind when he went to the fishing pole and stopped depending on the gill net. I don't think this season was a battle of woods skills, but more a battle of will. I must admit I welled up a little when he turned and saw his daughter. Again way to go Dave.

hunter63

07-15-2016, 06:54 PM

............

Now regarding Dave, there is a secondary celebration going on for all the present and former divorcees in our midst.

Somewhere out there is an X-wife that just missed out on helping spend a half million bucks!

Many people will not catch the reference.........but was happy for Dave (Mac, Pict)....
May him and the kids have a long and happy life......

Batch

07-15-2016, 10:29 PM

How much do you think there will be for Dave after the taxman comes? Half?

And Kyrat, I would have me a grilled at home steak, roast corn on the cob, and a mixed baby green salad with everything in it. Apple, red onion, cucumber, radish, jalapeno, habanero, sharp cheddar, boiled egg, pine nuts, pumpkin seeds, walnuts, wild (store bought) tomatoes, and crumpled bacon! Ice cold beer and a little Bulleit Rye.

Faiaoga

07-15-2016, 10:46 PM

Dave (Pict) is the winner!...........

Neat and cool. Having seen a few of his Brazil bushcraft videos, I was impressed by his skill using local materials. Most importantly, he seemed to have mental or spiritual resources to cope with the isolation and psychological challenges. ;)

WalkingTree

07-15-2016, 11:20 PM

Heck I dunno. After 65 days, there's so much to choose from. I figure that any food would be luscious. Hunger is the best spice of all.

I think that I might be tempted to pick something to savor, instead of indulge in gobbling a pizza or hamburger. Like maybe a simple 1 & 1/2 inch thick ground beef steak grilled over charcoal with plenty of mesquite wood smoking with it, and black pepper mixed in and on top. Slowly cutting and savoring each bite. And some Kale chopped and steamed with bits of bacon. And maybe something done with a couple of potatoes on the grill too.

Mmm...

Oh, and some dry red wine baby.

WalkingTree

07-16-2016, 06:46 AM

I suppose that what History Channel's Alone is about is survival, as social creatures, away from civilization...not away from it's technology, but away from the rest of Humanity.

I like what Nicole said about having become part of the environment - birds not alarm calling and bears accepting her presence, etc.

crashdive123

07-16-2016, 07:09 AM

Based on Dave's first few appearances on camera (early in the show) I'll bet that fried chicken will soon be on the menu.

Well done Dave. We're all proud of you.

WalkingTree

07-16-2016, 08:06 PM

(Was just now able to watch everything) Wow that was really cool how they brought in David's daughter. And I could imagine how he must've felt when she told him "you did it".

pete lynch

07-17-2016, 05:07 AM

WTG, pict!

kyratshooter

07-17-2016, 04:18 PM

Based on Dave's first few appearances on camera (early in the show) I'll bet that fried chicken will soon be on the menu.

Well done Dave. We're all proud of you.

We ought to have a bucket of chicken delivered to him care of WSF!

It must be noted that our prize contestant forum member actually won Alone, while the moderator of another well known bushcrafting forum tapped out rather quickly during the first season.

WalkingTree

07-18-2016, 01:25 PM

while the moderator of another well known bushcrafting forum tapped out rather quickly during the first season.
Oooh, that's gotta hurt.

Rick

07-18-2016, 02:34 PM

This is crazy but I just found out Dave is my cousin! Half million bucks? Gotta give my cousin a call.

1stimestar

07-18-2016, 04:34 PM

Steak and an Alaskan Amber!

theJman

07-18-2016, 06:30 PM

I do feel bad for Jose, I was pulling for him to win it. But unfortunately, he made things too complicated. All his solutions seems to revolved around that boat and ironically his trust in that boat was ultimately want did him in. But he did his best and if that accident didn't happen, who knows he might win. He should be proud of his accomplishment. I'm sure his wife appreciate his effort.

Early on I picked either Jose or Mike to be the winner, with Nicole as my dark horse (I figured the kids thing might do her in, so she was my long shot). After Mike tapped I was sure Jose's attitude and skill set would carry him through, but apparently not. I gotta give him credit though for how he decided to end it. The dude knew he was in a world of hurt when he got soak, so without hesitation he pushed the button. Complete opposite of Larry.

I suppose that what History Channel's Alone is about is survival, as social creatures, away from civilization...not away from it's technology, but away from the rest of Humanity.

I like what Nicole said about having become part of the environment - birds not alarm calling and bears accepting her presence, etc.

Of all the experiences the contestants had, I think blending in with the environment would have been my favorite as well. That has to be a very powerful feeling, to know the fauna now considers you one of them.

Grizz123

07-18-2016, 06:37 PM

way to go Dave!!! Great job!!

NightSG

07-18-2016, 07:02 PM

We ought to have a bucket of chicken delivered to him care of WSF!

Red Lobster gift certificate...only valid on Crabby Mondays.

NightSG

07-18-2016, 07:04 PM

If you had been out there eating next to nothing for 65 days, spending most of your waking hours dreaming about food,

WHAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING YOU WOULD WANT TO EAT?

65 days without even seeing a woman...can I say that on here?

theJman

07-18-2016, 07:39 PM

65 days without even seeing a woman...can I say that on here?

Not sure if it's PC to say, but you ain't the first among us to think it. :yes:

hunter63

07-18-2016, 08:07 PM

65 days without even seeing a woman...can I say that on here?

Yeah, I get it 65 days with no women, bet thy all seem sensuous.
Yeah, That's the ticket.......Use "Sensuous" in a sentence......... "Sensuous up, grab me a beer, Sweetie"

Grizz123

07-19-2016, 07:50 AM

65 days without even seeing a woman...can I say that on here?

IIRC, one of the medical team was female and they get checked every week, weather permitting of course

finallyME

07-19-2016, 10:00 AM

This is crazy but I just found out Dave is my cousin! Half million bucks? Gotta give my cousin a call.

He probably only has $250,000 after taxes.

David is a smart guy. I hope he is smart with the money. Generally speaking, when people who are not used to money suddenly get a lot, they generally have a hard time keeping it. They don't know what to do with it.

WalkingTree

07-19-2016, 01:39 PM

Of all the experiences the contestants had, I think blending in with the environment would have been my favorite as well. That has to be a very powerful feeling, to know the fauna now considers you one of them.
It might just be the editing...but does anyone else notice that after the first and maybe second episode, we don't see anyone really have any problems with bears?

hunter63

07-19-2016, 01:53 PM

Bears probably thought....These things are a PITA, tromping around, hollering "Hey Bear"...... and after a week or two, kinda stinky (didn't see much bathing going on).

I find when hunting.....that it takes about 15 to 20 minutes for the woods to turn back to "normal" birds and animals doing their thing.... especially if you are in complete camo w/head net,....and sit still.....I call it "My Zone".

If something else is going on it may stay quite.....you need to be aware what is and isn't normal.

crashdive123

07-19-2016, 03:00 PM

It might just be the editing...but does anyone else notice that after the first and maybe second episode, we don't see anyone really have any problems with bears?

It's not that the bears weren't still there. It's just that those that were freaked out by them were gone after a couple of episodes.

theJman

07-19-2016, 03:01 PM

It might just be the editing...but does anyone else notice that after the first and maybe second episode, we don't see anyone really have any problems with bears?

I live in the NW corner of New Jersey which has a pretty heavy black bear population. Even though visual encounters are somewhat frequent, problems have not been. For the most part they're just too lazy and want nothing to do with you. Being omnivores means you aren't their main diet, which is always comforting (on Vancouver Island my predator fear would have been cougars first, then wolves and lastly the bears). I've been followed a few times out on my treks, but except for one instance it was all for short durations and by a bruin that seemed mostly disinterested in anything other than just checking out the new creature in the neighborhood. I do make a lot of noise as I walk though, because it's better to be safe than sorry, but overall I haven't really had any issues.

Grizz123

07-20-2016, 09:00 AM

I live in the NW corner of New Jersey which has a pretty heavy black bear population. Even though visual encounters are somewhat frequent, problems have not been. For the most part they're just too lazy and want nothing to do with you. Being omnivores means you aren't their main diet, which is always comforting (on Vancouver Island my predator fear would have been cougars first, then wolves and lastly the bears). I've been followed a few times out on my treks, but except for one instance it was all for short durations and by a bruin that seemed mostly disinterested in anything other than just checking out the new creature in the neighborhood. I do make a lot of noise as I walk though, because it's better to be safe than sorry, but overall I haven't really had any issues.

You mentioned wolves, I remember in the previews they showed a wolf charging a camera but that never made it to any of the episodes, what happened??

NightSG

07-20-2016, 12:03 PM

He probably only has $250,000 after taxes.

Still not bad for a little over two months' work.

Now he can push for his own reality show, start a survival school, etc. to supplement it. Look how many "expert survivalists" he outlasted.

What would be really cool is to get 5+ seasons done, and have an "all-star show" with the winners from each season in a special setting.

theJman

07-20-2016, 06:29 PM

You mentioned wolves, I remember in the previews they showed a wolf charging a camera but that never made it to any of the episodes, what happened??

I wondered the same thing. I also thought "where are his friends?". Wolves are pack animals, and where there's one you will frequently find others. I recall seeing a cougar or two in season 1, but no wolves in either season. Guess they're pretty scarce on that island. If it were me I would actually welcome the sight of bears; I already have some experience around them, and where they are cougars and wolves are not likely to be. That would suit me just fine.

NightSG

07-21-2016, 03:55 PM

I remember in the previews they showed a wolf charging a camera

How did he manage the tiny USB plug without opposable thumbs?

kyratshooter

07-21-2016, 04:57 PM

How did he manage the tiny USB plug without opposable thumbs?

:thumbup1:

theJman

07-21-2016, 05:38 PM

How did he manage the tiny USB plug without opposable thumbs?

Perhaps he coerced a raccoon into doing that part for him...

11157

hunter63

07-21-2016, 08:04 PM

Recap and reunion show on tonite......

Grizz123

07-22-2016, 08:40 AM

How did he manage the tiny USB plug without opposable thumbs?

it fit nicely between his toes, no thumbs needed

hunter63

07-22-2016, 12:26 PM

Not a plug but an FYI as there are some of our members that are "over there, as well"....

Pict, (Mac/Dave) has a current:"Ask me anything" .....thread going on 'That other site..... that will not be named"

Grizz123

07-22-2016, 03:41 PM

hunter63

07-22-2016, 03:59 PM

is "over there" a bad thing?

Nope, didn't say that.........It is what it is.......

Been a member there for quite a while, as well as a few other forums.....
But don't advertise for any of them.

Grizz123

07-22-2016, 04:13 PM

Nope, didn't say that.........It is what it is.......

Been a member there for quite a while, as well as a few other forums.....
But don't advertise for any of them.

I like their site too.

theJman

07-23-2016, 07:22 PM

OK, I'm game; what is 'that other site' being alluded? I'd actually love to read Dave's thread and get his insight. If you're uncomfortable posting it in the open forum them just PM me.

hunter63

07-23-2016, 07:57 PM

PM sent.......(Pict) Dave is/was a member here also, but hasn't posted for a while.....

theJman

07-23-2016, 09:03 PM

PM sent.......(Pict) Dave is/was a member here also, but hasn't posted for a while.....

:punk:

Much appreciated.

kyratshooter

07-23-2016, 09:24 PM

Yep, he's got a good Q&A thread going on over there. Has answered most of the questions asked here.

One extra question too. Someone asked him what his 11th item would have been, knowing what he does now.

His answer was a multi-tool of some kind with scissors for personal grooming.

hunter63

07-23-2016, 09:40 PM

kyratshooter

07-24-2016, 12:56 PM

And as a warning, if you are upset by being preached at you need to stay away from that thread "over there". Dave is a pastor and speaks his mind about what he "thought about" while on dead time in the woods.

His experience on Vancouver Island was an addition to his spiritual journey through life.

Grizz123

07-24-2016, 01:49 PM

theJman

07-24-2016, 02:11 PM

I didn't sense anything in the thread that would be described as preached "at", but there has seemingly been an awful lot of religious comments interjected into a thread about a reality TV show. Two things people should always approached with extreme caution; politics and religion. Far too many variations and differences attached to deep-seated opinions, and that almost invariably leads to some type of conflict. I personally don't care one way or another what anyone believes in either area - to each his own - but I'm not a really big fan of being taken along for the ride.

kyratshooter

07-24-2016, 02:36 PM

Preached at? How did you come to that conclusion? People asked and he responded, thats NOT preaching

That was the way I saw it myself Grizz.

For some folks any mention of spiritual or religious belief is considered overwhelming and insulting. As soon as you mention it you get a caution. My comment was simply a warning to those that might object.

That is "over there", this is "over here" and we have two separate and different systems to operate within.

NJHeart2Heart

07-25-2016, 11:11 AM

IIRC, one of the medical team was female and they get checked every week, weather permitting of course

Oh.. that's interesting. I didn't know they got medical checks every week. I always wonder how they could be surprised by winning if the only "medical check" seen from last season was when Allen was proclaimed winner. It's also interesting in that they are not as isolated as the show indicates. Not that once a week is a normal amount of interaction, it's still more than being completely alone for 60 days... But I wouldn't hold that against them for sure. I do wonder how much the participants try to talk with the med team out of desperation though :)

kyratshooter

07-25-2016, 12:50 PM

Oh.. that's interesting. I didn't know they got medical checks every week. I always wonder how they could be surprised by winning if the only "medical check" seen from last season was when Allen was proclaimed winner. It's also interesting in that they are not as isolated as the show indicates. Not that once a week is a normal amount of interaction, it's still more than being completely alone for 60 days... But I wouldn't hold that against them for sure. I do wonder how much the participants try to talk with the med team out of desperation though :)

The med team does not "sit and chat" with the contestants. It is a quick check for overall physical and mental health and is over by the time the camera crew picks up old filming and batteries and deposits new. Then they were gone. Very stoic and professional from what I could gather. No information passed about the outside world or other contestants.

crashdive123

07-25-2016, 03:43 PM

And David has said that it was tough having them there but not allowed to interact with them at all and them just going about their business very quickly and leaving.

DSJohnson

07-26-2016, 12:08 AM

Okay....so someone send me a PM with the password and handshake please I have no idea where you guys are talking about and i would like to read Dave's thoughts. Thank you. I promise to try to not fall into the rabbit hole. I will only look down into it....really...no ...really...scouts Honor.....

hunter63

07-26-2016, 12:22 AM

PM sent........enjoy.

DSJohnson

07-26-2016, 12:29 AM

Thank you Hunter. I just got back from a 13 day Road trip Hunter. Rocky Mountain National Park, Teton National Park, Yellowstone NP (4 nights in the park) Mt. Rushmore. Saw Moose, a grizzly bear, a big black bear, couple of thousand buffaloes (Yeah I know..Bison...yeah right) Elk, Antelope, Blacktail deer, Eagles, Pelicans, Swans, Snow Geese and just a few people.......okay maybe like a kazillion people... 4800 miles on the Yukon. 5 adults and one 11 year old female. "And a good time was had by all"

hunter63

07-26-2016, 01:23 AM

Glad you had a good time...sound like a heck of a trip.........
Been just plain"" Hot ""here....
Did have Bufflar steaks last evening.......(local rancher....LOL)

Packing up for a Rondy 4, 5, 6, 7 Aug......
Trying to figure out a A? for the lodge....LOL

NJHeart2Heart

07-29-2016, 09:00 AM

The med team does not "sit and chat" with the contestants. It is a quick check for overall physical and mental health and is over by the time the camera crew picks up old filming and batteries and deposits new. Then they were gone. Very stoic and professional from what I could gather. No information passed about the outside world or other contestants.

As it should be :)

NJHeart2Heart

07-29-2016, 09:01 AM

NJHeart2Heart

07-29-2016, 09:03 AM

PM sent........enjoy.

OK.. now I'm intriqued.. Please kindly send me a PM for "the other side" :) (Is it the DARK side??) :D Based on my own personal philosophy I suspect I'd enjoy reading his thoughts. Not to mention another site/board to waste time reading on!! LOL

hunter63

07-29-2016, 12:10 PM

OK.. now I'm intriqued.. Please kindly send me a PM for "the other side" :) (Is it the DARK side??) :D Based on my own personal philosophy I suspect I'd enjoy reading his thoughts. Not to mention another site/board to waste time reading on!! LOL

PM sent....LOL.....enjoy.

Grizz123

07-29-2016, 01:38 PM

crashdive123

07-29-2016, 01:40 PM

its a really good site but this site is more like family

It is until you disagree with one of the "regulars". Many have been banned for expressing an opinion contrary to the herd mentality.

Grizz123

07-29-2016, 01:55 PM

It is until you disagree with one of the "regulars". Many have been banned for expressing an opinion contrary to the herd mentality.

hey, I resemble that remark :shifty::gunsmilie::whistling::D

hunter63

07-29-2016, 02:09 PM

Well, haven't been banned yet, but get regular warnings.......as there are time I can't contain my self.....
This is home, and is more of a family, ...."there" is a business, that doesn't tolerate a disturbance in the force.

So like I said...I don't advertise them and only pasted along the info as a favor to our "family"....in a PM.

lfos847

07-29-2016, 03:49 PM

Since finding this site I don't visit many other forums. I find most of what I need right here. I would like to read David's comments so please include me in the PM. Thanks

hunter63

07-29-2016, 04:42 PM

Since finding this site I don't visit many other forums. I find most of what I need right here. I would like to read David's comments so please include me in the PM. Thanks

PM sent..........

Rick

07-29-2016, 08:00 PM

Other forums?! Don't make me Tae Kwon Do you!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vqMwQg2J0NE/hqdefault.jpg (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vqMwQg2J0NE/hqdefault.jpg)

crashdive123

07-29-2016, 08:27 PM

Practicing for that Lord of the Universe thing I see.

hunter63

07-29-2016, 08:27 PM

Awww Rick, Rick, Rick.....
Some folks may need the help, picking out the Best shoe laces, The Best bunch of sticks.....and The magic of Fatwood.....That come for the deepest darkest special secret places.......The cheap crap (Not my description) from Menards for a $1 buck a pound isn't good enough.

And don't forget to "LIKE" every and anything in sight......Major ashkissin' is expected and graded......
Y'all have fun....

crashdive123

07-29-2016, 08:30 PM

And above all --- don't criticize their favored knife maker (I didn't) who raffles off (you have to pay for a raffle ticket) spots to get on his wait list.

RangerXanatos

08-01-2016, 08:36 AM

And above all --- don't criticize their favored knife maker (I didn't) who raffles off (you have to pay for a raffle ticket) spots to get on his wait list.

And the two biggest makers don't even get their knives used but put in a safe.

I stopped going there as much because of all of the "stuff" they started doing and treating their members. Haven't posted since December 2014.

jayd

08-04-2017, 12:37 AM

I am waiting to see how long it takes for someone to pick an extra tarp and use it completely for water gathering.

Rains 2 days out of three, so wet you can't start a fire with a road flare, but everyone is dehydrating for lack of drinking water when all they have to do is dig a hole and spread a tarp.

I would also like to see someone build a real shelter. No one has done that yet. They throw together an "overnight survival hut" and fight the wildlife until they whine out and go home.

If you are staying in bear/wolf country for the long haul why not take a couple of days to build a real trapper's cabin and use the tarp for a roof instead of the whole shelter. What else do you have to do for the next two months?

I wonder how many of them packed on an extra 20 pounds for this effort? That was what the last winner attributed his success too. An extra 20 pounds will give you 2 weeks mobile food reserve.

I'm good for a month myself.

You're kidding, right? a couple of days to build a cabin, with nothing but axe and saw, by yourself? 2 weeks, maybe, a very small one. They are not allowed to cut green trees on Vancouver. Finding a stand of dead trees, close to the shore that is your only shot at feeding yourself? not gonna happen. What are you eating while you waste 4000 calories per day on this cabin? Having a cabin will not prevent those wusses from wussing-out. That cabin will take 15 lbs of your body weight and it wont feed you. The ones who just use a small, portable tent shelter are the smart ones. The ones who waste a month on building something elaborate are the screwups.

jayd

08-04-2017, 02:06 AM

I guess I'm just anti-social, cause being alone doesn't bother me a bit, and yes I do mean for months at a time. I don't think it bothers the competitors as much as they say it does, either. They are just trying to cover up the fact that they can't feed themselves properly and the lack of calories, especially carbs, is depressing, leads to bad decisions, etc.

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