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Hummer70

03-14-2016, 09:04 PM

Just wondering if anyone here has a chronograph.

If so the below may prove useful. I came up with this about 20 years ago and this is third revision based on usage. I punch three holes in left side and place in 3 ring binder. Tape your test targets to back of this sheet.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3vWwz0ljvP5N2NnaHBnZ25xSGM/view?usp=sharing

crashdive123

03-14-2016, 09:30 PM

Looks like good data analysis for the serious shooter.

hunter63

03-14-2016, 09:54 PM

Agreed....
Thanks for posting.
I just use a label printer for labeling the boxes.......

Just curious...How are you handling the shortages in powder, (bad around here), bullets, (not so bad but really getting expensive to keep more than couple of shapes/weights), and primers?

For a while I was finding powder, looking them up to see if they fit into any of my favorites....
So it's was like walking into a store, and asking...."What have you got that goes bang?"

Hummer70

03-15-2016, 02:55 AM

Well for me personally I haven't needed any ammo since June 16, 2013. I got rear ended at about 40 MPH and my neck and shoulder are messed up and I have two spurs growing into discs between C5/C6 and C6/C7 and touching my spinal cord. Lady that tagged me didn't even touch her brakes before she plowed into me. I got knocked cold, seat broke off and I came to in the back seat and for a while I was stone deaf. Could not raise my right arm over 45 degrees for 18 months. Will have surgery about May to grind off spurs and put a pin or two in my neck and I don't know if I will ever be able to shoot from the prone position again.

I came up with the form maybe 1985 time frame and have revised it several times. I designed it to do initial load evaluations in three levels. First ten shots determined the SD of the load with the components I was using as I was looking for SDs in single digits as my specialty was long range shooting.

SD is critical in long range because an extreme spread of 50 fps at 1000 yards will give you 20" of elevation and the ten ring is 20 inches. The X ring is 10" and so you need an extreme spread of 25 fps and if you are there you still have wind to contend with.

So I would start out with 10 round strings with different propellant numbers and different primers so if the first ten rounds are not within 25 fps, there is no use going forward with that load. First thing is to change primers. It is amazing how much change you can get by changing not only brands of primers but lot numbers.

1000 yard shooting will expend 25/26 rounds with unlimited sighters and 20 shots for record so you need to know what your ammo is going to do when the barrels get warm. When you fire, they pull and mark the target and you reload and roll into the next shot takes about 45 seconds per shot. In shooting long strings the barrels heat up and things can change. For instance a 22 round string at 60 second intervals I found barrel temps reaching about 122°. I knew the Test Operation Procedure was one round every 60 seconds for 25 rounds, clean and do this again for 10,000 rounds which is the endurance test for sniper rifles. Note: Last I heard the M24s were still shooting acceptance groups at 15,000 rounds which proves the barrels are cared for properly.

The barrels will get very little wear in the throats at 60 second intervals. At 30 second intervals they will get to 140° and you can measure the throat erosion changes every 50 rounds. If you go even faster your barrel temp will rise to 155/162° ranges and the throat really starts moving.

For instance the reamer marks in the throat are generally burned away in the first 150 rounds. I was able to run a couple barrels to 900 rounds before the reamer marks were gone.

There are times when the wind conditions require a faster pace because it doesn't take much of wind change to move your impacts 12" at 1000 yards so you can go from X ring to 9 ring between shots. Shooting a scope you can watch the mirage and see if wind increases. Iron sights lets you shoot in a wind change you can't see because you are on the sights. There have been situations when I had to get off sighters and 20 record shots in 3 1/2 minutes and won the match because I got all my shots off in the same condition.

That is why barrel temps are taken. Some propellants will heat a barrel up more than others. Changing bullet weights even when shooting the same propellant will change the SD/ES. You have to know where you are.

The name of the game is uniform bullet pull which means the number of pounds of force it takes to start a bullet moving. The more uniform the force the smaller the SD/ES and it is for sure you can't remember all the combos so records are critical.

When I shoot groups I got down, change targets and bring them back, cut them out and paste them on the back of the sheets so over the years the data entry has changed to include barrel temps.

I have the ability to shoot through one target at 300 yards and have it hit another target at 600 yards and the differences in the groups is a real eye opener. The normal theory is if your range doubles your groups will double. In reality the 600 yard group is 125% of the 300 yard group and I had two or three occasions when the 600 yard group size did not double.

I remember one test I was conducting the first two shots made one hole at 300. I stopped and made the trip to get the targets. Anyone want to guess the change I saw from a perfect double at 300 and what I found on the 600 yard target?

Once I got under 25 fps ES I would extend the testing as follows:

1. shoot the first ten at about 45 second intervals record the SD/ES and set the chrony to continue.
2. shoot the second ten at the same pace and see if the ES changes set the chrony to continue
3. If that looks good continue on to 30 rounds so you can check to see if the ES and SD changes every 10 rounds.

I saw a 1000 yard record set at Camp Perry. Marine had 200-17Xs. He had two line shots at 12:00 and one at 6:00 so he literally had 20"of elevation for 20 record shots which means he had a ES of around 50 FPS and for 17 of them the ES was 25 fps and less.

Yogi Berra said it best, "You don't know what you don't know till you know what you don't know."

hunter63

03-15-2016, 10:44 AM

Yeah, thanks....was just curious.
Used to listen to guys at the store...."I need thus and such ammo, as that what my rifle likes....."
For a while there, it was..."What have you got that goes bang".

After my by-pass surgery I don't shoot all that much anymore either.

Now when I put the crosshairs on a game animal....it's always a toss up....who's gonna be able to get up.....me with a working pacemaker or the animal.....Do I want to do this?

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