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Duece
11-22-2015, 01:53 AM
Hi all, I have a question to ask all of you,over the next year my wife and I are going to be slowly putting together roughly a half a dozen packs to donate to one of our homeless shelters that are filled with items that would be needed or handy if you where in fact homeless.what I would like from all of you is a generalized list of what you would put in the packs. We are leaning toward the basics without providing anything that could be used as a weapon (or include me in a lawsuit lol) so knives and or homemade survival candles etc.
So far we have the following items
Personal hygeine items
Gloves
Toques
Raingear
Paracord
Carabiners
Basic first aid kit
Phone card
Whisle
Tarp
Blanket
Energy bars/mres
Tool kit
Flashlight/headlamp
Glow sticks
Matches/ferro rod
Possibly some type multi-tool(something that doesnt have a knife if possible)
Waterproof wallet
Literature on soup kitchens/shelters and basic safety skills
Hypothermia/frostbite literature
Anyways this is about where we are at,winters are damn cold where i live so the idea is to hand them out in the late fall next year since winter in when it would be most helpful and to spread out the cost. We have decided to spend roughly 300$ on this project. Any ideas you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
D


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Rick
11-22-2015, 06:17 AM
Why not ask one of the homeless shelters what would be best? Better still, ask all of them.
Duece
11-22-2015, 06:28 AM
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11-22-2015, 06:29 AM
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hayshaker
11-22-2015, 10:40 AM
duece you are to be commended for your act of caring thank you.
i too was homeless once for years. now mind you every homless person has a differnt story as to why
they are where and not all have camping/survival skill sets that said they would have little or no use for some
of the items listed.carabiner,whistle,glostic or ferro rod.my guess the alchiholics for instince would most likely trade the items for other things,ya know.mabey find some that look as though thier camping out already they would most likly have need for such a set up.
hayshaker
11-22-2015, 10:57 AM
also ask some to show you thier set up ask what do you use most
mabey doll store first-aid supplies soap,razors tampons for the ladies,deordorant sticks
gloves wool socks,do any use fanny packs mabey a canteen. meet some and talk to them
see what they use already.
hunter63
11-22-2015, 11:10 AM
Seems a heck of an idea to help out the less fortunate.
I do thing your list is more of a urban BOB than a Homeless kit.

I think you may want to concentrate on:
Blankets, sleeping bag, tarp,
Coats, rain gear.
Socks, underwear, toiletries.
Whistle, flashlight........

But I don't think I would include the paracord, carbineers,
Tools?....
Mre's?

Or the advice of checking with the shelters to see what the people that deal with them everyday, need.

Just a thought.
Wise Old Owl
11-22-2015, 11:45 AM
Hmm 2005 1% of the population or 200,000 across the provenances and 6000 are youth... I suspect it's much worse today just don't have the facts... I am with Hunter on this one if you are going to do this - it should be a limited urban list. Not a backpack but a bag with draw strings. coats and blankets

Follow Trevor's ideas with a go fund me

http://articles.mcall.com/1999-06-29/news/3244998_1_farm-school-homeless-shelter-trevor-ferrell

Oh and the list would include a MRE not as we know it - there is now a UN-refrigerated meal that you open and eat at the supermarket. You are supposed to heat them - but don't have to.

http://www.wisconsinmommy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/barilla-microwave-meals32.png


Your list should look more like this:

Personal hygiene items or Female hygiene items Toothbrush and paste & Whole roll of TP
Fleece beanie, Gloves 2 pairs of socks
Rainjacket with hood & donated coats
Whistle & basic Swiss Army with can opener
8x10 Tarp & Paracord
Fleece Blanket (doesn’t retain water)
Breakfast Bars & string cheese & jerky
Cheap Flashlight based on AA and LED.
Paper Matches & candle
Literature on soup kitchens/shelters and basic safety skills
Hypothermia/frostbite literature




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Davidlastink
11-22-2015, 12:53 PM
My concern is how cold. You can give a person all the things they need but if they can't stay warm then it matters not.

I would go with a thermal tarp, basically a Tarp with a thermal blanket lining. Many ultra lighters use them + Wool blanket to survive sub zero temps. They won't be comfortable but they will survive when they would other wise freeze. Army surplus wool blankets + thermal tarp should be the basis of any kind of minimalist outdoor kit. You also have to remember not to go flashy or expensive, getting robbed when homeless is just as dangerous as the cold I have been told.
natertot
11-22-2015, 01:40 PM
Stick with the basics of life. Some clothing, particularly underwear, socks and t-shirts along with a coat is a good base for them. As far as hygiene goes, stick with tooth paste, toothbrush, soap and deodorant. Beyond that, I would just hook them up with a lighter, flashlight, blanket, and some simple food stuffs.

As previously noted, even if they can't use something they will trade and barter amongst themselves. Don't expect them to keep what they are given.

There is a homeless man that sleeps on the bus stop bench at the corner where I work. Many times, I have woke him up before the buses run and given him a cup of coffee and a cup of oatmeal. One day, it was raining and I had and extra poncho in my car. It was a decent poncho, not the disposable ones but not too expensive either. I gave it to him thinking it would help him out. The following week he was out there and it was raining again. I asked him where the poncho was. He told me he traded it for a lighter, 3 cigarettes, and a pair of socks. He said the lighter and socks were of a greater overall need for him.

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Seniorman
11-22-2015, 02:38 PM
Duece. that is certainly a commendable and thoughtful project, but instead of handing some backpacks filled with "stuff" to the homeless shelters, might it not be more useful to take the cash you'd spend to buy the "stuff" and give it to the homeless shelter? The people there would know better what to buy and distribute, wouldn't they??

Just wondering.

S.M.
Quietsurvivaalist
11-22-2015, 08:47 PM
I think its great you want to help people

Saying that I am in contact with homeless fairly often

They are better outfitted than you would imagine and you will just be giving them things to sell or trade

Im in agreement , give money or items to the shelter and let them find the ones who need it
hunter63
11-22-2015, 10:07 PM
There was a special program on a Milwaukee TV station (which I can't seem to find a clip) about "homeless children"....but all seemed to have cell phones....so I guess there are many kinds of "homeless" with many different situations.

Follow your heart....but don't be surprised that you good intentions won't do much in fixing the situation.
You are making your self feel better, that's about it.
Wise Old Owl
11-22-2015, 11:50 PM
My concern is how cold. You can give a person all the things they need but if they can't stay warm then it matters not.

I would go with a thermal tarp, basically a Tarp with a thermal blanket lining. Many ultra lighters use them + Wool blanket to survive sub zero temps. They won't be comfortable but they will survive when they would other wise freeze. Army surplus wool blankets + thermal tarp should be the basis of any kind of minimalist outdoor kit. You also have to remember not to go flashy or expensive, getting robbed when homeless is just as dangerous as the cold I have been told.

http://www.amazon.com/SE-ET3683-Emergency-Outdoor-Steel/dp/B008JFW6BY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1448249690&sr=8-3&keywords=thermal+tarp

interesting idea on thermal tents. I am on the fence about the wool clothing... doubt it... what worked in WW1 & 2 was wool clothing... today 300 weight fleece is lighter and better thermally as it traps more body heat. I have poly micro fleece thick blankets that are thinner and lighter and work better than a Coleman sleep system.


Oh why? well that interesting... Fleece is smaller than human hair - and is spun in such a way that it traps more air than wool does. The rival is Alpaca - lighter and warmer it helped the Inca survive the high altitudes.

good post!
Davidlastink
11-25-2015, 12:33 PM
Does fleece behave the same way when wet. I only have memories of being cold when my fleece stuff was sopping wet form playing in snow etc. Is there a natural fleece vs synth? When you say fleece I picture old navy and such type clothes.
Wise Old Owl
11-25-2015, 11:14 PM
Fleece today is mostly synthetic. "Polartec" was the first and the inventor didn't patent it. It polpropelene and is water resistant. Our military used it high up in Afghanistan. With a shell over the top offers even more protection.
walks.in2.trees
12-04-2015, 12:37 PM
interesting idea on thermal tents. I am on the fence about the wool clothing... doubt it... what worked in WW1 & 2 was wool clothing... today 300 weight fleece is lighter and better thermally as it traps more body heat. I have poly micro fleece thick blankets that are thinner and lighter and work better than a Coleman sleep system.


Oh why? well that interesting... Fleece is smaller than human hair - and is spun in such a way that it traps more air than wool does. The rival is Alpaca - lighter and warmer it helped the Inca survive the high altitudes.

good post!

I cycle year round, upstate NY, in -20 temps. Gotta say that not all fleece is the same. For instance, I bought a fleece sleeping bag liner from Walmart to use in the office for short naps and would always wake up clammy and chilled. The fleece pullover I got from EMS, though, while I was active would wick my sweat away from my skin perfectly, although my Silnylon shell would still trap the moisture within my "heating envelope" even with pit and pocket vents open and front unzipped to half-mast. In the end though, treated down works best for me so far this year, although I've cut my cycling commute from two hours down to 30 minutes by stealth-camping near the office, so I'm not pedaling full-out like previous winters.

Believe me, I've tried all kinds of things to keep the moisture down, and so far, I have yet to be successful. But then I don't think its possible. You can't dress for subzero temps AND dress to sweat... It's an either/or situation. So if you're hollywood-style bugging out, running from zombies, jumping chasms opening in the pavement, all while dodging poorly aimed bullets, just be prepared to change your clothes when you stop to wait for the next wave.

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walks.in2.trees
12-04-2015, 01:16 PM
Duece. that is certainly a commendable and thoughtful project, but instead of handing some backpacks filled with "stuff" to the homeless shelters, might it not be more useful to take the cash you'd spend to buy the "stuff" and give it to the homeless shelter? The people there would know better what to buy and distribute, wouldn't they??

Just wondering.

S.M.
Nah.... Here's the thing about "do-gooders": most people's idea of what is good for everyone is limited by their own experiences. Thus, you end up with idiots thinking that living without electricity and heat is a horrible thing. The homeless people that most people imagine, are what they see on TV and movies: the drunk guy sleeping under a bridge in a cardboard box covered in newspapers. These guys are out there to be sure, and there actually very little you can do to help such self-destructive souls. Another type are fake homeless... People that make a living pretending to be homeless... I guess these two are what the shelters are good at weeding out.

But many homeless are too proud to go for handouts, and many more still don't need them, and no one ever sees them. I am basically living as though homeless. I have a house, but since my car died, I can't afford to replace it, I've been cycling to work, which would be a 2 hour ride, if I wasn't stealth camping nearby instead. If my kids were living with me, they'd get taken from me for sure, even though I know what I'm doing. Others just don't get that it's possible to be completely comfortable with proper knowledge. As recently as 1985, most of the people 45 minutes drive from the nearest city, heated with wood stoves. This usually meant one section of the house was heated, with the doors closed. Many people still had a dug well, so when the power went out for two weeks in the middle of the winter, no one cared much. That's how I grew up. Now though, let the power go out for a day and there's a big uproar... OMG, I'm missing my favorite crappy sitcom, and I don't know how to put on a sweater, and an actually warm hat might ruin my hair!!!

So with that perspective in mind, if you want to donate the real deal to someone that needs it, you need to figure out first who in your city knows who to give it to. That's the hardest part. You don't scant to give it to someone who's just going to sell it all for booze, or worse, just toss it in the nearest dumpster because it wasn't cash. You want it to go to someone that will appreciate it.

Does fleece behave the same way when wet. I only have memories of being cold when my fleece stuff was sopping wet form playing in snow etc. Is there a natural fleece vs synth? When you say fleece I picture old navy and such type clothes.


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hunter63
12-04-2015, 01:46 PM
.....................

I am basically living as though homeless. I have a house, but since my car died, I can't afford to replace it, I've been cycling to work, which would be a 2 hour ride, if I wasn't stealth camping nearby instead. If my kids were living with me, they'd get taken from me for sure, even though I know what I'm doing.


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I guess it a matter of priorities .......Can't afford a car to get to work.....
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walks.in2.trees
12-04-2015, 02:42 PM
It's a tablet actually, using Google voice, over data, in place of a phone, have to have both voice and GPS for work. Cheaper to have a single data plan for the tablet, than a smartphone with a data plan which is like having two phones.

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walks.in2.trees
12-04-2015, 02:43 PM
Although, any droid can use tapatalk

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hunter63
12-04-2015, 02:52 PM
Yeah thanks.......
I find my "Media" ....(Phones (2), Wifi, Satellite TV (2 locations) costs are getting to be a major hit on a fixed income.
walks.in2.trees
12-04-2015, 06:37 PM
Seriously, I've got it all on this tablet, and its waterproof as long as I remember to close the seal on the usb port. Wish I had unlimited high speed data, but no providers do that anymore. Sony 10" Experia. Even though it's waterproof, I still put it in a Silnylon rolltop bag,

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Duece
12-04-2015, 07:29 PM
Hi all my apologies for not responding until now,am experiencing some serious life changes at the moment as my wife and I have just this past couple weeks become separated.I may have to takett some of these suggestions to heart as i may end up homeless myself!!!!! I still have to sit down and read all your responses,but I am extremely thankful for all your responses and look forward to readinng them
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crashdive123
12-04-2015, 08:38 PM
Hang in there Duece.
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