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kyratshooter
11-16-2015, 02:57 PM
Down on the back corner of the lot I am about to build a dual purpose shed for storing my mowers and shooting at the bullet trap.

The trap is a big sucker 2'x4' so I am pretty well set up on that end.

The shed will be a two sided shelter where you drive in one end and out the other. The sides with walls are facing the only close neighbor on that side of the lot, about 75 yards away.

I will be shooting from inside the shed. Mostly pistols of the .38-.44 variety, known for their pronounced noise level.

What is the most sound absorbent, cheap material I can hang on the two walls I have?

Styrofoam panels, fiberglass bat insulation, old carpet, 20,000 steel wool pads super glued to the plywood?

hunter63
11-16-2015, 05:34 PM
Friend used foam "egg crate" panels in a basement recording room....they were pretty cheap as I recall......but may not be good for outside use.

Something like these......
http://www.soundproofcow.com/egg-crate-convoluted-packaging-foam-1.5x2x6.html?gdftrk=gdfV27665_a_7c1285_a_7c3336_a_ 7c20102352&gclid=CjwKEAiAmqayBRDLgsfGiMmkxT0SJADHFUhPlSuQM9cn 3dHSRdEJ_ZcVQLtDTOElsHKiO4WlnMdIDRoCsinw_wcB

LowKey
11-16-2015, 09:19 PM
440 Homosote. It's a sound deadening 1/2" thick pressboard. It's like $30 a 4x8 sheet at Lowes. Wrap it in some of those cheap blankets you get from Sportsmans Guide.
Might not like being anywhere it can get wet though. Not much in the sound deadening materials will like getting wet. We've wrapped fiberglass batting in textilene too, but not sure where you'd get the textilene. It's sort of like a really open weave vinyl mesh, sometimes used for greenhouse sunblock.

Phaedrus
11-17-2015, 12:57 AM
Rock wool for rigid fiberglass. That's what the pro's use for acoustic treatments. Owens Corning 703 is hard to beat.

crashdive123
11-17-2015, 07:11 AM
Cheapest option is probably to buy your neighbor some ear plugs.. :whistling:

hunter63
11-17-2015, 11:38 AM
...........or invite him over to shoot.

Used to shoot the bows into the garage....had a 4' wide 3/4" thick conveyor belt back stop, with newspaper bundles stack up in front.

Neighbor that lived behind me, was shooting, and something broke, so he shot an arrow that missed the back stop, went thru the garage wall, thru the fence....and landed at the feet of the guys wife hanging up clothes on the line.

Glad it was him that did it.....

We didn't use that "range" much after that.

Wildthang
11-17-2015, 12:56 PM
Kyratt, use 16 year old ears, nothing gets heard with those!

randyt
11-17-2015, 07:11 PM
A old mattress should deaden sound pretty well and cheap too. No pee stains allowed though, for aesthetics. Could probably even paint them.

natertot
11-18-2015, 03:20 AM
Sound deadening has two aspects. Absorption and deflection.

Touching base on absorption, I would go with sheets of Styrofoam. It would be the cheapest thing that could withstand the weather and animals.

Deflection is something else that can help with your objective. Hanging the Styrofoam at angles from the walls and ceilings will increase absorption area and deflect the sound waves. Think of standing inside a muffler.

Phaedrus
11-21-2015, 03:22 AM
Styrofoam has a vastly lower coefficient of asborption than 'glass or mineral wool. Ditto for foam.

kyratshooter
11-21-2015, 02:25 PM
I have been thinking of going with Styrofoam insulation panels due to the exposed outdoor situation I face.

I think it will hold up better and not wind up being used as bird and squirrel nesting materials.

I need to have some pitch to the roof and I may exaggerate that toward the target trap area so the sound that is not absorbed is deflected back and out into the open hillside.

Wise Old Owl
11-21-2015, 08:43 PM
440 Homosote. ----
Might not like being anywhere it can get wet though. Not much in the sound deadening materials will like getting wet.

I was working on a older Audi and noticed once I got under the carpet of the passenger side I found 1" of Closed cell foam which is water proof and a good sound reduction. You used to be able to get large rolls of it in Walmart's as it was used for sleeping bags to get you off the frozen ground.

Ahh Campmor still sells it.

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Wise Old Owl
11-21-2015, 08:46 PM
Down on the back corner of the lot I am about to build a dual purpose shed for storing my mowers and shooting at the bullet trap.

The trap is a big sucker 2'x4' so I am pretty well set up on that end.

The shed will be a two sided shelter where you drive in one end and out the other. The sides with walls are facing the only close neighbor on that side of the lot, about 75 yards away.

I will be shooting from inside the shed. Mostly pistols of the .38-.44 variety, known for their pronounced noise level.

What is the most sound absorbent, cheap material I can hang on the two walls I have?

Styrofoam panels, fiberglass bat insulation, old carpet, 20,000 steel wool pads super glued to the plywood?

Got a picture of this said shed?

kyratshooter
11-21-2015, 08:59 PM
Nope, it ain't built yet!

Plans are in my head.

A simple pole shed 6x8 and however tall it winds up, made from 6 upright timbers, three stringers on each side T111 siding one two sides and OSB covered with roll roofing on top. Front and back open so I can drive through shoot through.

The tractor and mowers with live in there and shooting is a secondary use.

I just need a safe place to get out of the weather to shoot and do chronograph testing when I work up loads without having to go to the range. Right now there is a line of people waiting at the rage every time I go over there.

The neighbors are not a problem and do not complain about the noise. I live in one of those places where we blow stumps using stuff we buy from Home Depot, so a little gun noise just brings out folks wanting to know if you bought something new. The guys on the road rented a van for a carpool to the last Machine gun shoot down at Knob Creek! I just want to muffle and disperse the sound a bit and keep the snow off my head.

Wise Old Owl
11-21-2015, 09:39 PM
hmmm winter's coming... suggest 5 Amish and 1/2 a disassembled barn.

kyratshooter
11-22-2015, 01:10 AM
Nope, this is being built from materials on site already.

It may take me all winter but I have nothing else going on.

natertot
11-22-2015, 02:00 PM
Nope, this is being built from materials on site already.

It may take me all winter but I have nothing else going on.

If you need a hand, give me a yell.

Batch
11-22-2015, 02:52 PM
When I was a kid my Dad built a wooden structure that he put bails of hay for backing and would just hang paper targets on. We shot our bows into it for some time until a neighbor complained and the city made us stop shooting archery. Good thing to, because even if that hay stopped every arrow you could have a fly away. But, anyone ever shot arrows in the rain? They slide right through hay and compressed styrene type targets.

We used to shoot every workday at my brothers shop. Our targets were sandwiched in between a block building and a 4 yard dumpster. The backdrop was a 2 story concrete block building. My brother Sean was drawing back an arrow when, I believe, his release failed. I think it would close, but, not positively and when you loaded it with enough pressure the D-loop just slipped right through. He used to draw back with the bow pointed up and when the release failed that arrow went almost all the way up to the top of that two story wall. Much higher and it could of sailed over that building and on two bust Dixie Highway.

I have seen D-loop failures. But, that is negligence, because you could see it wearing and it is easy to replace. Sean and I both draw with the arrow pointed toward the target now.

In Florida you can have a backyard shooting range anywhere. You have to follow noise ordinances. But, no municipality can make new ordinances to try and stop you from shooting. It is recommended that you follow NRA Range Source Book. I googled "Gun range noise mitigation". But, you would have to know what if any of the solutions others have used apply to you.

hunter63
11-22-2015, 04:01 PM
I sometimes shoot out of my shed at "The Place".
It is down hill from the house, door pointed out toward the field.

Does a good job on .22's....but you can still hear it at the house on some days.
Drives the dogs crazy...they hear a shot,.... and think they need to go get something.

Sound is funny.....some days you can shoot down by the river....and never hear it at the road.....later you can hear 2 people talking 1/2 mile away.


Got new neighbors a the cabin net door......haven't seen them yet but...but seems they stopped by this morning while we were hunting, and were talking to the guy across the road...(hope they are friends...the across the road guy in a cardo Dr, and he and his boys love to hunt)

You could hear them talking clear as day.

Rick
11-23-2015, 08:11 AM
you can hear 2 people talking 1/2 mile away

I've known people like that. They can whisper through concrete.

finallyME
11-23-2015, 10:28 AM
I've known people like that. They can whisper through concrete. [/COLOR]

That's my sister in law

Rick
11-23-2015, 03:44 PM
I hope your wife doesn't read this. :chair:

Wildthang
12-01-2015, 02:37 PM
Hey Kyratt!!!

Are you finished with that shed yet?:smartass:

crashdive123
12-01-2015, 04:43 PM
My guess is still in the planning and design phase. After all.....he's retired and you don't want to rush a project of this importance.

kyratshooter
12-01-2015, 07:07 PM
Yea well it's like this...

We are presently in the "digging post holes" stage, which is taking place between rain storm.

That will be followed by the raising of posts and shoveling of concrete into the holes phase..

And being retired I do have a different perspective of time than some others.

No time lines, no deadlines and no schedule. If you don't feel good then don't do it and if you start having chest pains in the middle of the job you do not work through the pain cause that's a heart attack you're having, not indigestion.

Never push to finish today what you can do half of tomorrow!

I love being retired!

hunter63
12-01-2015, 08:29 PM
Don't forget nap time......
and keeping track of the week by the letters on the Med box.... S-M-T-W-T-F-S....then think,... Didn't I just fill that yesterday?

Wildthang
12-02-2015, 01:02 PM
Heyyyyy Kyrat, are the poles finished yet? :smartass:

kyratshooter
12-02-2015, 04:41 PM
Poles are sitting on the ground waiting for the holes they will live in to appear.

I am using salvaged landscaping timbers for the uprights. Also have salvaged 2x4 for the stringers and salvaged T111 for the two walls. there is half a roll of roofing left from the back porch addition and some left over OSB I can use for the sub-roofing. I might have to buy a nail and a bag of concrete or something but everything else is sitting there waiting.

I should have dug the holes last week, but I was too busy cooking, then eating, then recovering....now it is raining, the wind is blowing and it is 40 degrees, and I am not going out in that stuff just to dig post holes for a shed.

The harder the wind blows the more like nap time it feels.

Wildthang
12-03-2015, 11:18 AM
Poles are sitting on the ground waiting for the holes they will live in to appear.

I am using salvaged landscaping timbers for the uprights. Also have salvaged 2x4 for the stringers and salvaged T111 for the two walls. there is half a roll of roofing left from the back porch addition and some left over OSB I can use for the sub-roofing. I might have to buy a nail and a bag of concrete or something but everything else is sitting there waiting.

I should have dug the holes last week, but I was too busy cooking, then eating, then recovering....now it is raining, the wind is blowing and it is 40 degrees, and I am not going out in that stuff just to dig post holes for a shed.

The harder the wind blows the more like nap time it feels.

Hey Kyrat,

Is nap time over yet? :smartass:

kyratshooter
12-03-2015, 11:28 AM
You are starting to sound like the x-wife I disposed of 30 years ago!



That or the boss I retired to escape.

Wildthang
12-03-2015, 11:33 AM
You are starting to sound like the x-wife I disposed of 30 years ago!



That or the boss I retired to escape.

Well Kyrat somebody has to keep you in line! But I admit my purpose is a selfish one! If you ever finish that shed, I'm going to bring you your led and get in some target practice, so I'm just trying to keep you on track!!!
Hey at least you can ignore me:smartass:

Rick
12-03-2015, 06:20 PM
Being retired it's terribly difficult to determine if you should be your own boss today or be your own laborer. When I first retired I tried bossing the dog around but she let me know in short order she had been doing nothing far longer than I had so I had a bit of learning to do. My old boss would probably debate that point but, that aside, I've found that being my own boss is usually the best choice and the least likely to cause me to break a sweat. So Kyrat's progression diagram looks about right to me. I might have gotten the holes marked by now, however. I good tap with the heel of your boot will accomplish that will little effort. Assuming you happen to be down there. No need to make a special trip.

hunter63
12-03-2015, 06:53 PM
In days of old....I would be fixing the radiator on the DW car at this moment......
It's at the dealer.....

Yeah, retirement can get like that.... and the fact it's gets harder to get down on a floor creeper.....and back up again.

Post holes are in the top three of stuff I hate....that, refolding road maps, and proctoscopes......Not always in that order.

kyratshooter
12-03-2015, 07:20 PM
I might have gotten the holes marked by now, however. I good tap with the heel of your boot will accomplish that will little effort. Assuming you happen to be down there. No need to make a special trip.

I got the holes down one side marked with pegs. Then I realized that if I did the other side I would have to get the thing square and run from corner to corner checking it and that really sounded like a lot of work and walking from corner to corner. On this shed that would be an 11 foot trip several times to make the corners right and before you know it I would have walked 40 or 50 feet so I decided to save the other side until a sunny day came along.

If course if it gets too bright I will need to wait until it clouds over some so I don't hurt my eyes.

The problems never seem to end.

Wildthang
12-06-2015, 08:41 AM
Hey Kyrat how abut those other two holes:smartass:

natertot
12-06-2015, 09:24 AM
In days of old....I would be fixing the radiator on the DW car at this moment......
It's at the dealer.....

Yeah, retirement can get like that.... and the fact it's gets harder to get down on a floor creeper.....and back up again.

Post holes are in the top three of stuff I hate....that, refolding road maps, and proctoscopes......Not always in that order.

Just don't get post holes and proctoscope mixed up!

hunter63
12-06-2015, 11:17 AM
Yeah, they kinda feel the same........

Wildthang
12-08-2015, 01:23 PM
Hey Kyrat,

Be sure to lock up that proctoscope before you work on the shed!!!!:smartass:

kyratshooter
12-08-2015, 03:20 PM
Too late! It escaped its container some time ago and I have traps set in an attempt to capture it before it does irreparable damage.

I have not seen it of late and I fear one of the neighbors has taken it in and turned it into a pet.

Not that there is anything wrong with that!

Wildthang
12-09-2015, 01:06 PM
Too late! It escaped its container some time ago and I have traps set in an attempt to capture it before it does irreparable damage.

I have not seen it of late and I fear one of the neighbors has taken it in and turned it into a pet.

Not that there is anything wrong with that!

Dangit Kyrat!

That sounds like having a green anaconda loose in the house! Well as long as he is next door what the heck!!

Wildthang
12-09-2015, 01:07 PM
Too late! It escaped its container some time ago and I have traps set in an attempt to capture it before it does irreparable damage.

I have not seen it of late and I fear one of the neighbors has taken it in and turned it into a pet.

Not that there is anything wrong with that!

Okay so now you can safely dig those other 2 holes:smartass:

crashdive123
12-09-2015, 01:08 PM
You better find that thing! Before long it could end up in any a*****e. :whistling:

Wildthang
12-10-2015, 01:40 PM
Hey Kyrat,

Did your neighbors find that Anaconda yet..............Wait?????????

natertot
12-10-2015, 09:27 PM
I am officially confused......

Kyrats posts are in someone's @$$h0l3, there is a proctoscope in kyrats hole, and a snake is on the loose invading everyone?!

Do I have this right? A heck of a mess for a shooting shed! I think just shooting in the open is simpler and less invasive!

Rick
12-11-2015, 09:06 AM
I believe the idea was to shoot both the snake and proctoscope. The wholes in the ground were from missed shots. I'm not sure which moves quicker, the snake or the proctoscope.

By the by, KY. The use of black powder might make the jobs of digging holes much easier. Call the neighbors over and have some fire works.

natertot
12-11-2015, 02:46 PM
I'm not sure which moves quicker, the snake or the proctoscope.

I dunno either, but I could tell you which one I'd rather get bit by though!

crashdive123
12-11-2015, 09:04 PM
Just don't shoot the proctoscope if it's in use.

Wise Old Owl
12-11-2015, 11:14 PM
put that down... going to poke an eye out!

natertot
12-12-2015, 12:38 AM
Just don't shoot the proctoscope if it's in use.

Don't you use the proctoscope to shoot? How else are you gonna see your target!?

crashdive123
12-12-2015, 06:52 AM
Don't you use the proctoscope to shoot? How else are you gonna see your target!?

Just look around......it's a target rich environment.

kyratshooter
12-12-2015, 02:11 PM
Just look around......it's a target rich environment.

Never has more wisdom been stated in one sentence.

Wildthang
12-13-2015, 02:05 PM
Kyrat just don't use the snake for a proctoscope.............OMG! You may want to consider just abandoning that shed, it is getting more dangerous every time I post!!!!!

Rick
12-13-2015, 03:11 PM
Abandon a project? Never, sir. The word "abandon" is not in a F.A.R.T.s' vocabulary. Delay, prolong, give more thought to, procrastinate, drag one's feet, rethink or be delayed due to material shortage are all words or phrases we live by. But we never "abandon" anything.

hunter63
12-13-2015, 09:59 PM
Here ya go.......
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/new%20cool%20stuff%20nov%2015/round%20tuit_zpslhd7ucl6.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/hunter63/media/new%20cool%20stuff%20nov%2015/round%20tuit_zpslhd7ucl6.jpg.html)

Rick
12-14-2015, 07:17 AM
'Zactly!!!!!

Wildthang
12-14-2015, 02:13 PM
Hey Kyrat!! So did you delay the project yet:smartass:

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