Dumb question on rifled slugs

[jim Glass]

I have a 12 gage Winchester Super X2, 3 1/2" I want to use for hunting wild hogs. It has interchangeable chokes. Is there a slug type I can use with my existing barrel or do I need a slug barrel?

Sorry about my ignorance, all my hunting experience has been on ducks and geese.

Thanks,
Jim

[hunter63]

Your Winchester uses a Browning Invector Plus screw in chokes.
Rifled slug choke listed on this page:
http://www.choketube.com/choke-tube-product-details.php?Browning-Invector-Plus-Choke-Tubes&mf=10

12 ga. item number 40030

[kyratshooter]

The rifle tube is way down at the bottom so do not give up before you get to it.

I have a rifled choke tube for my Mossberg but I must admit that I get different grouping abilities from the different barrels I have that use such tubes, which includes two Mossberg barrels and one H&R barrel.

My 28" Mossberg barrel does almost as well with the IC tube as it does with the rifled tube.

The other two barrels reduce the group size in half at 50 yards.

There is enough difference in the two that work well for me to have my smoothbore slugger barrel out for threading right now, just so I can use the RS tube as a permanent fixture on that barrel.

If you do not like the idea of the rifled tubes then you can buy an improved cylinder tube or an unchoked tube. The site Hunter referenced sells those too.

[hunter63]

In all fairness, I have never used a rifled choke tube.......

Had a rifled shotgun barrel for the 870...shot good...but a friend wanted it more that I did....so sold it.

Do shoot a add on rifled bull barrel, on the H&R Handi Rifle, that's a 20 ga......and shoots like a rifle.
Shoots sabots well, but will shoot the standard slugs even better....

Used it in the days when we had shot gun areas in Wisconsin...now changed.

Kinda wishing I wouldn't have sold the 870 barrel.

[Lamewolf]

Heck, on them hogs use OO buck if its legal !

[kyratshooter]

In IL it looks like you are restricted to small shot and slugs in the hunting field.

They do not specify an exemption for invasive species so I would think that in IL I would err on the safe side.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=052000050K2.33

[hunter63]

In IL it looks like you are restricted to small shot and slugs in the hunting field.

They do not specify an exemption for invasive species so I would think that in IL I would err on the safe side.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=052000050K2.33

Kyrat....I'm thinking this goes back to the hunting hogs in Florida from the other thread.


The results are in: I received the OK to hunt on two private lots. In addition, I just signed the lease from the investment company to hunt on 148 acres. The investment company advised me to form a hunting club. I figured out why. I contacted the insurance company for hunting insurance. Individual policy is $175 per year or $205 per year for the entire hunt club.

I plan to start hunting with shotgun slugs. After we bag a couple of hogs I would like to change over to bows. Never bow hunted before so I'm going to buy a crossbow. I'm thinking of using bows because gun blasts might piss off the neighbors and could scare off the hogs for an unknown period of time.

Never hog hunted before either so appreciate any tips. Last week I bought 2 five gallon bucks of shelled corn for making "wild hog bait" when I get to Florida.

Receiving mixed reports on eating wild hogs. If we roast one I'll probably buy some pork roast at the grocery store and serve the store bought pork to the ladies, "here girls, try some wild hog".

Something tells me this is going to be lots of fun,
Jim

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?26727-Obtaining-land-owner-permission-to-hunt

I may be wrong....but took the question this way.

[kyratshooter]

Probably correct Hunter.

Where's Batch when you need him? He'll know.

[Batch]

Far as I know you can hunt hog year round with pretty much anything in Florida.

"On private property with landowner permission, wild pigs may be trapped and hunted year round using any legal to own rifle, shotgun, crossbow, bow or pistol. There is no size or bag limit, and you may harvest either sex. Also, no hunting license is required. A gun and light at night permit is not required to take wild hogs with a gun and light on private lands with landowner permission."

Each Wildlife Management Area has its own regulation and they can vary greatly. So, look at the current WMA brochure before planning your trip.

I have a dedicated rifled barrel for my Winchester. That's about the only barrel that goes on that shotgun anymore. Sean and my Dad hunt with interchangeable tubes and with, I believe, IC installed.

I would not hunt hogs with buck shot. My brother Sean shot a hog about 15' a away and the shield was 100 percent effective in deflecting the shot. If he would of had a slug I believe it might have been a different story. If its a big hog you are better just waiting for a quartering away shot and avoid the shield. Because on a big hog that shield could be as thick as 3" thick and will stop pretty much anything coming out of 12 shotgun.

[natertot]

Whoa! Hold on! A rifled choke tube should NOT be used for rifled slugs. For rifled slugs one should use an open choke. Cylinder bore or Improved cylinder is what should be used for rifled and foster slugs. Rifled choke tubes are to be used for sabot slugs.

[kyratshooter]

They work for any kind of slugs Nate.

I use them with the 7/8 and 1 oz. Lee cast slugs and I have fired Burneke and foster commercial slugs through mine. I don't think I have ever fired a sabot slug through mine. I'm too stingy to buy those things.

The rifled slugs are pure lead and take the rifling as they pass through the grooved choke tube.

The only problem you have when using the rifled choke tube is that the rifling is cut in the opposite direction to the threads on the choke tube/barrel so that the tube will not unscrew while shooting. It causes the tube to get so tight that it takes a strap wrench to get the tube off the barrel.

I do think that in the situation JG is in I would go for the IC tube. It will be cheaper and give more all around use, and the few slugs he will shoot will not make it worth the expense of the rifled tube.

[natertot]

I see what you are saying, Kyrat.

Rifling tears up rifled slugs causing inconsistent hits in my limited experience of doing it. Yep, removing the choke tube after the fact is not a fun experience either, nor is the lead removal from the choke tube. I have learned in life that many times something can be done, but it doesn't mean you should. That applies to this situation as well.

Foster slugs are a much lesser deal out of a rifled choke. Once again, lead removal is a PITA and on more than one occasion I have had the wad cup caught on rifled choke tubes. Once again, just not worth it.

I agree, IC is the best solution here. I also am stingy when it comes to the sabot. Too pricey and no real improvement over the other stuff. Although for fun I did load some .44 bullets as 20 ga slugs. It worked, but kinda pointless.

[hunter63]

I see what you are saying, Kyrat.

Rifling tears up rifled slugs causing inconsistent hits in my limited experience of doing it. Yep, removing the choke tube after the fact is not a fun experience either, nor is the lead removal from the choke tube. I have learned in life that many times something can be done, but it doesn't mean you should. That applies to this situation as well.
Foster slugs are a much lesser deal out of a rifled choke. Once again, lead removal is a PITA and on more than one occasion I have had the wad cup caught on rifled choke tubes. Once again, just not worth it.

I agree, IC is the best solution here. I also am stingy when it comes to the sabot. Too pricey and no real improvement over the other stuff. Although for fun I did load some .44 bullets as 20 ga slugs. It worked, but kinda pointless.

I have found that to be true as well.....and that statement should be a disclaimer when someone goes off on what CAN be done....

The 20 ga. rifled bull barrel I have for the Handi Rifle will cloverleaf hole at @ 50 yds. ..with foster commercial slug....spread a bit further at 100......but does shoot actually shot better then the sabots.

But it does lead up the rifling ....so don't spend a lot of time shooting them....
See a deer, shoot deer, clean an put away.

[kyratshooter]

Yep, very few people use their slug shooting shotguns for range toys.

Especially with the price of slugs what it is. That is one reason I bought the Lee slug molds. I also use plastic shot cups around the slug, so that might be why I am not getting the leading in my tube or barrels beyond what would be "normal".

[hunter63]

That's correct......those are designed to shoot with plastic cups.

Actually bought a MEC loader with couple of bags of hulls and even more cups....pound of "Clays" powder, and box of primers, for $20 bucks at a yard sale......Just to get the powder and cups.
But having a problem finding a mold I like for the 20 ga

I pour my own Lee slugs as well, for the 12 ga now....and use the old Lee Loader "Bop a Mole" to load them up.
So would have to come up with a mold for the 20 ga....(do have a Bop a Mole for the 20 ga.) but seems like a lot of gear for something that replaces the cheapest slugs on the market.

So "IF" I were to use that set up again.....still have to shoot up the 18 or so loose rounds I have left of the "magic slugs" I bought back when.....that outa be good for at least 15 years or so.....

[kyratshooter]

Hunter, if you are casting .600 round balls for that Tule fusil you have they will work very well in the 20 gauge hulls.

I do not have a 20 gauge slug mold and depend on the round balls for solid shot.


One thing we have not sorted out for JG is a sighting system.

Some can get by with just the front bead, but I need some sights on a shotgun shooting slugs or ball.

I have a couple of scoped shotguns but I can get by with most of the fiber optic irons on the market today.

There are some good ones out there and for not much money.

[hunter63]

Yes do have a couple of hundred of the .600 (?) or there about, balls...had them given to me so not real sure exactly what they are...and yeah do have wadding and card for shot as well....for both the Tule fusil and the matching flinter horse pistol .62 that my guy just finished for me.
Just need to shoot them

[Batch]

kyrat,

I don't have any sights on any of my shotguns. I have optics that will work on a 12 gauge and I have thought of putting a red dot on the slug gun.

For Florida woods I would stay with something low profile and rugged. We spend a lot of time with the shotgun in our hands and moving through some thickly vined hammocks. We're already carrying enough crap that can get hung up and nothing is louder than a briar vine pulling across a cabbage palm frond.

I have almost puller the trigger on red dots a few times. But, I shoot pretty good with an bead so far. Still like you said they are reasonable cost effective. so, I will listen to what the group has to say. I can testify that a slug can set a pig down at 75 yards if we do our job and a decent optic probably goes a long way for some to make that happen.

[kyratshooter]

Like I said before, I have scopes on a couple, which is probably needless except that they have illuminated crosshairs for low visibility use and I have found that most of my shots are low light situations, Dawn, dusk or deep woods.

I am very chancy with just the bead. I like to have a rear sight on there too. that's just me though and everyone will have their own plan.

I have the products from Hi-viz and Truglow both and both work equally well.

Sights just depend on what suits you and what works.

I think that Midway probably has the best selection for view on the internet. Good clear pictures that show how the sights attach to the shotgun. Some snap on, some attach with clamps and tiny screws and some use magnets. There are so many different guns with different rib widths and such that the local shops never have exactly what you need, especially for the Winchester. If you order you will get what you need.

Midway will have an IC choke tube cheap too. You can get your sights and tube at the same time.

[jim Glass]

A little more on this. This hunting venture is with a friend I made a couple of years ago who is from Canada. He is actually the big game hunter not me. He is reluctant to bring his own guns across the border so I told him I would bring 2 guns to Florida and he can use one of mine for hog hunting. I'm bringing a Remington 870 Express (duck gun) with a borrowed slug barrel on it, good shape there. The Winchester would be the second gun unless I can come up with something else. I'll also have a variety of handguns, .357 being the largest and one of those is a Ruger Blackhawk, good plinker.
How effective would a .357 be on a hog?

[natertot]

A .357's effectiveness on a hog depends on a few things. The first being exactly the type of ammo you are using. Another variable is how far are you from the target because pistol rounds are very limited in nature. Even with a .357, past 35yds you will start to see bullet drop and accuracy take effect because gravity and wind are the enemies of pistol rounds at distance. A third variable would be the size of the game you come across. Bigger the pig, the less effect the round will be.

Just my initial thoughts for you.

[kyratshooter]

Totally depends on the size of the hog and where you hit him!

I am sure a .357 would kill a hog, but I would want to be in a tree stand for a handgun hog hunt. I have known of things getting a bit confused and the shooting looking like something from a Yosemite Sam cartoon during hog hunts. I had one friend that got chased up a tree by a big Georgia hog on his muzzle loading hunt.

I would also trash the modern fan-boy recommendations for defense ammo and go with a 150-158 grain soft point.

[hunter63]

A .357's effectiveness on a hog depends on a few things. The first being exactly the type of ammo you are using. Another variable is how far are you from the target because pistol rounds are very limited in nature. Even with a .357, past 35yds you will start to see bullet drop and accuracy take effect because gravity and wind are the enemies of pistol rounds at distance. A third variable would be the size of the game you come across. Bigger the pig, the less effect the round will be.

Just my initial thoughts for you.

What do you mean.....327 are good for key hole groups at 150 yds., read it on the interwebs...so gotta be true.
(Joking)....Never shot one so don't know.
SIL uses a 9mm, but shoots them in the trap.

Couple of local guys at "The Place" is SW Wisconsin.....use SKS's the 7.62 X 39....but I expect they just want to shoot them.

[crashdive123]

Hold on a second! Why not use a 22? After all, it's all about shot placement.:whistling:

[hunter63]

Hold on a second! Why not use a 22? After all, it's all about shot placement.:whistling:

Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket......

[kyratshooter]

I have popped many hogs between the eyes with a .22 at the range of about 6 inches. That was during some of the massive hog killings we had when I was younger.

It would knock them out, but not always kill them. Most of the time the blood was still pumping when we cut their throats and even after that I remember a couple of times when they jumped out of the scalding troth after we had shot them, cut their throats and thought they had bled out!

Some would say that was "reflex". If it was then reflex will keep a shot, stuck and scalded hog going for 100 yards, so I'll stick with something bigger than a .22.

[Rick]

If you wait until a hog is six inches away before you shoot him how close do you let a grizzly get? I'm going with 12 inches. I know you're a good shot.

[kyratshooter]

If you wait until a hog is six inches away before you shoot him how close do you let a grizzly get? I'm going with 12 inches. I know you're a good shot.

When we were killing hogs on the farm we transported them to the butchering spot in the pickup. Killing them was a matter of sticking the .22 rifle between the boards of the truck rack into the face of the closest hog and pulling the trigger.

No real shooting skill involved unless uncle Wesley was doing the shooting. Uncle Wess was known to sip on the bottle from time to time and I remember him climbing onto the side of the truck with the rifle once and asking which hog we wanted shot next.

There was only one hog in the truck!

Before we could stop him Uncle Wess decided to shoot the one on the left and put a hole in the bottom of the truck bed. Apparently the real pig was on the right.

Scared that last pig nearly to death and it started running in circles in the back of the truck. Killing him was a real chore. Every time we stuck the rifle barrel through the rack it started spinning in circles.

As for shooting griz ??? I have never done that and probably never will. but I have know a couple of people that did and their advice was ablut the same. Use a big gun, start shooting when they are way out there and have some extra ammo.

But I guess that is like shooting the pigs and depends on the size and temperament of the bear.

[Batch]

It's still shot placement. I wouldn't bet on a .357 on a shield on a big hog. Even a slight angle will deflect a round on a big hog.

I bounced a .44 magnum round off of a sow's face from 5'. A bad shot is bad shot in any caliber.

[crashdive123]

It's still shot placement. I wouldn't bet on a .357 on a shield on a big hog. Even a slight angle will deflect a round on a big hog.

I bounced a .44 magnum round off of a sow's face from 5'. A bad shot is bad shot in any caliber.

I'm sticking with bacon. Yep - bacon sammich - that's my story and I'm sticking to it.:innocent:

[crashdive123]

Besides......bacon is less cruel. Just buy it at the grocery store.....that way no animals have to die.:whistling:

[hunter63]

Naw, just comes in a plastic package......

[Batch]

I just read this article off of the Wide Open Spaces email on shotgun vs rifle safety for hunting. Their results are surprising.

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/believe-shotguns-safer-rifles-hunting-deer/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WOS_NewDaily%20-%2011.6%20-%20wos%20sup%20western%2C%20SC%2C%20IL%2C%20MI%2C% 20NY/NJ&utm_term=WOS%20Main%20Production

[hunter63]

That is a interesting study.......
Just make me wonder if anyone else did the same or similar study....
I'm have a hard time buying the Quote>
As the study showed, once trajectories were computed for the average 30-06, 150-grain bullet with a 2,910 feet per second muzzle velocity, and the average slug at 385 grams with a 1,900 feet per second muzzle velocity aimed at a level line three feet above the ground, slugs traveled farther in conjunction with a ricochet.

Surprisingly, that ricochet happened 100 percent of the time.
<Quote from the article.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

This is my slugger..I just picked some new sabots for her.....

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af330/COWBOYSURVIVAL/DSCN3711.jpg

[natertot]

CS, we have the same slugger except I don't do scopes on shotty's and I have wood furniture.

Is yours the rifled barrel or the some bore choked cylinder?

[hunter63]

Top is the Handi Rifle with the 20 ga Rifled Bull Barrel and scope mounted......preferred slug gun these days.
Bottom is the NEF 12 ga. Topper "Buck" 162...came with the peep site, shorter barrel and cyl bore (open) choke.

Both have done and will do the job.
The Topper is a good open choke grouse gun as well.....

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/DSCF0974.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/hunter63/media/DSCF0974.jpg.html)

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

CS, we have the same slugger except I don't do scopes on shotty's and I have wood furniture.

Is yours the rifled barrel or the some bore choked cylinder?

It is a 19"+ Remington Rifled Slug Barrel, over and under sights.... Remington Super Magnum..Early 90's.

I ran this barrel hot on my 1972 with wood furniture...

[Batch]

This thread is going to turn into shotgun porn, isn't it?

[natertot]

It is a 19"+ Remington Rifled Slug Barrel, over and under sights.... Remington Super Magnum..Early 90's.

I ran this barrel hot on my 1972 with wood furniture...

Ah, very good. Mine is the 21" barrel, smooth cylinder bore with rifle sights. Remington Magnum (3" chamber) Early 2000's. Since mine is primarily used as a defense gun, I plan on adding the 3 shot extension.

Probably, batch..... I love gun porn!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

This thread is going to turn into shotgun porn, isn't it?

Ya got one? Let's see it!

[Batch]

One? no one can have just one! Shotguns are like Pringles! LOL

I'll post tomorrow. But, I have nothing impressive. just shot guns.

[hunter63]

One? no one can have just one! Shotguns are like Pringles! LOL

I'll post tomorrow. But, I have nothing impressive. just shot guns.

True Dat..........

[kyratshooter]

Show me a guy with only one shotgun and I will show you a guy that ran out of money!

[kyratshooter]

I am going to need to retract a bunch of stuff and modify more due to an incident I had yesterday at the range.

I am declaring all accuracy with slugs or anything else completely shooter dependent.

Yesterday I watched Nate shoot 2 INCH groups @ 50 yards with his slug barrel and open sights while the kid at the next bench was shooting two FOOT groups using a slug barrel and scope.

It reminded me that all the best gear in the world will not help if the shooter is working with less than normal abilities.

I thought Nate was going to have apoplexy watching that kid shoot! Calling the shots was like a comedy skit.

BANG...
"Did I hit it?"

"Nope you are in the dirt"

Shuck...Rack...Bang...

"Did I hit it?"

"Nope you blew a big hole in the target frame two feet high and a foot and a half to the left"

Turns the scope adjustments three clicks each direction...shuck...rack ...BANG!

"Did I hit it?"

"Nope you are in the dirt over on the other guys target."

That was about when Nate started twitching and I had to get him out of there!

[Batch]

Googling apoplexy now. LOL

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Been a long time since my scope purchase, but if I recall. The scope had to be specialized for a shotgun due to the differing recoil.

[hunter63]

I am going to need to retract a bunch of stuff and modify more due to an incident I had yesterday at the range.

I am declaring all accuracy with slugs or anything else completely shooter dependent.

Yesterday I watched Nate shoot 2 INCH groups @ 50 yards with his slug barrel and open sights while the kid at the next bench was shooting two FOOT groups using a slug barrel and scope.

It reminded me that all the best gear in the world will not help if the shooter is working with less than normal abilities.

I thought Nate was going to have apoplexy watching that kid shoot! Calling the shots was like a comedy skit.

BANG...
"Did I hit it?"

"Nope you are in the dirt"

Shuck...Rack...Bang...

"Did I hit it?"

"Nope you blew a big hole in the target frame two feet high and a foot and a half to the left"

Turns the scope adjustments three clicks each direction...shuck...rack ...BANG!

"Did I hit it?"

"Nope you are in the dirt over on the other guys target."

That was about when Nate started twitching and I had to get him out of there!

Now ain't that the truth.....Bhohahahaha.....

[kyratshooter]

Googling apoplexy now. LOL

Hey! Apoplexy is a real thing! We call it a stroke today.

My mom used to scream that us kids were going to give it to her all the time, but more-so in summer when school was out.

She also claimed we were going to give her a nervous breakdown but I did not know what that was. She claimed we came close several times though.

After I grew up I decided she was being over dramatic, then I had kids.

Yes there is a definite ability for your kids to give you a nervous breakdown and if that does not kill you the apoplexy will finish you off!

[Rick]

My mom always declared we'd get a case of pinworm running around barefoot. I had no idea what pinworm was but I was certain I didn't even want a pint of it let alone a case.

[natertot]

Everything Kyrat had said was every bit true.

Sad thing was, me and the other guy were using the same make, model and gauge shotgun so there wasn't the excuse of "bad equipment". The fact that he had a scope and I didn't was proof positive that gear cannot make up for ability.

It was quite evident that this gentleman didn't have much experience with guns as he kept manually pushing shells into the chamber using his thumb. I guess he never looking at the owners manual under "nomenclature" and noticed the term "shell carrier". He was also staying pretty close to the scope. I made a minor suggestion to him, which he disregarded, and then his following shot caused the scope to bump his glasses. He then gave me the look of "Whoa, how'd you know that?!".

By the time we left, he obliterated the back stop and the top of the target stand frame. The paper was pretty safe with only one shot barely on it. If he is deer hunting this year like he claims, I believe not one tag gets filled (Unless he picks up road kill).

I am glad we left when we did. I did not want to lay witness to him injuring himself.

[hunter63]

Was at the range with a couple of friends....
Friend had a new rifle .338 Win mag......and would load into the mag, then work the bolt....actually the way you should do it.

Had a target board at 100 yds., with 4 targets....so was about 4' X 4'.....and he was hitting anything, and complaining.
Was actually flinching very badly, but when told, insisted that he wasn't.

On one shot he didn't have the bolt back far enough to pick up the round...so closed the bolt on a empty chamber.
Took a deep breath, turned his head, and jerked the trigger, but when it didn't go off...No Bang.....just sat there squeezing with the whole rifle shaking.

Finally, quit pulling on the trigger, opened his eyes and realized he was indeed super flinching........

We shot the rifle,.... shot just fine....took it back and got a .243.

Some people just shouldn't shoot.....or at least take some training, on breathing and trigger control.

[kyratshooter]

Me and Nate knew something was wrong when the guy started building a tower on the shooting bench out of sandbags to get his shotgun up high enough where he would not have to lean over and shoot.

He was firing from a sort of contorted, sitting up straight and leaning back at the waist posture. Very strange.

And from about the third shot he began professing a problem elsewhere than himself as after we announced by what margin he had missed he kept proclaiming "I know I'm a better shot than that!"

Well, at least he was reasonably safe and such but as Nate said, the target was the safest thing n the range.

I have packed up and headed home due to the behaviors of some gun range renegades. There are several holes in the roof of the local range the origin of which I can explain. And I did not put them there.

At any rate, Me and Nate had a good time. We solved the problems of the world on the trip out, zeroed about half dozen guns, a couple with the assistance of a Chinese hammer, and returned home intact.

[natertot]

Yeah, the piling of sand and shooting bags was pretty hilarious. I have to applaud the man. At least he kept the muzzle down range when he had to re-stack them 20 time between shots!

Yeah, I am confused by his posture as well. It was kind of a mix between "American Sniper" and drunk guy slumped over at a NASCAR race. Didn't look comfy at all which is the most important thing for me when bench shooting. If I am focused on discomfort than I am not going to be focused on anything else such as breathing, sight picture, trigger pull, etc. Those are kinda fundamental.

It was amusing that he blamed the shotgun. After I pulled mine out and shot without issue he was really perplexed and getting aggravated. I probably shouldn't have goaded him like that, but could really pass the opportunity up either.

It was a good time. Lots of good conversation to and fro with thoughts which to ponder. Zeroed guns was a good thing, and thank heavens that the front sight on the milsurp wasn't fortified in place so the Chinese hammer was sufficient!

Thanks to KyRat, I am now pondering an AR build! Very tempting after seeing what he has done! Might be a winter project if the funds become available.

[kyratshooter]

We did learn one valuable thing from the poor fellow at the range.

It does not matter what gauge you use, what sighting system you use, what barrel length or shotgun type....

The worst shooter on planet earth can still keep all their shotgun slugs in a 2 foot circle at 50 yards.

Which also means they would still hit most standing humans at that range and that they would be better off with buckshot!

[natertot]

Yeah, but this guy was in a controlled environment with no stress factors or adrenaline. In real life, I think his limit of range with buck shot would be 5-7 feet.

This then brings up two key things which we should focus on. 1) efficiency with the firearm and 2) practicing motor skills under stress.

[kyratshooter]

Well Nate, they do have running boar events in the Olympics, but the boars are running left to right and right to left and none of them are running straight at you snapping their tusks and trying to topple you over and rip you into shreds.

Only thing I can imagine that would duplicate that level of stress would be trying to zero a rifle with fireworks going off under your feet and a scared ferret dropped down your pants.

[hunter63]

......................................Only thing I can imagine that would duplicate that level of stress would be trying to zero a rifle with fireworks going off under your feet and a scared ferret dropped down your pants.

Sounds like a Rondy, ML, novelty shoot......

[kyratshooter]

Sounds like a Rondy, ML, novelty shoot......

If I had known you were at that one I would have looked you up!

I did attempt a woods walk once that required shooting a target, which released a timer that allowed another pop up target to appear in 20 seconds, and you were standing in a canoe mid-river when you reloaded and took your shot.

Then there were the ones where you had to set a trap and the Indian popped up from behind the bush right when you got the jaws open.

Those were the days!

[hunter63]

DNR shut down the canoe "attack" event.....
You were attacked, so you fire at a flip up target......then grab your "child"...farmer goose.... about 20 pounds...put a T shirt on it....than run to the canoe, hold on to the goose in the canoe...(step on T shirt easiest way) load and fire at another pop up target.....

Then a third popped up close......so the smart one threw their hawk...and lived.... the slow dead one tried reloading again.....(by now all you pre measured, and prepped loads were shot, or dropped...or you lost your ram rod, capper.....

Oh, yeah, they didn't tell you about throwing your hawk or for those that carried a pistol shot that....but did make a big deal about carrying all your possible's ...might even have a fire starting part....didn't know....but then again...in life....do you ever?

Edited to add...The DNR shut down the goose part....said it was cruel to the goose....HA.....ever grab a 20 pound mad goose?
That thing beat the crap out of anyone that grabbed it...especially after the first run.....

[kyratshooter]

We had one where the first stop in the walk instructions were to take off you moccs. If you had extra in your kit you could put them on, otherwise you did the rest of the half day long woods walk barefoot.

Second stop was building a fire. The official took your fire kit, held in in a bucket of water for a count of 30, then you built the fire. You did about five or six survival skills type activities before you ever fired a target.

We would look like we have been run over by a truck when we finished those events. some were so bad that we didn't care if we came out winners, we just did not want to owe any points at the end. You could score 30 and lose 40 for screwing up!

[natertot]

Wow, something like that actually sounds like a lot of fun.

There is a few small things in my area that have smaller events. One had a night time "Amazing Race" kind of a deal. We were in teams and you had to complete a challenge to move on to the next. Some challenges were a few hundred yards apart and some were a couple miles apart. All you could use was what was on you or what was provided at the challenge. One station involved making a fire from a ferro rod and at another we had to make a bow and arrow that had to work. We couldn't move on to the next station until we could stick an arrow into a hay bale from 25yds. The hard one was having to chop through a 2ft wide oak log, it took my team of 4 about 30 mins to accomplish that alone.

The roughest event I did was a "woods injury" outing. We went for a 5 mile hike and then two people got "injured". We then had to construct a stretcher out of the woods and carry them back. There were some hills there and it had rained good the day before. That was a long and messy trek back!

[jim Glass]

I may need to join another forum now. I bought a Barnett Quad 400 Cross bow now. This will be all new to me. An old friend suggested the cross bow. I'm a little concerned with residents in the area and stray bullets traveling somewhere they shouldn't. Also gun shots may piss off some of the neighbors and scare off the hogs. While I'll still have guns and carry side arms we will also hunt with crossbows. Jim

[hunter63]

LOL....Thought maybe you were think about another forum as your thread really kinda went everywhere.....which does happen ...sometimes.

So did the slug comments help you out any?

[kyratshooter]

Oh, so you think we don't own crossbows too?

I'll have you know we are into all purpose carnage around here.

Besides, how could we have a complete "Walking Dead Outfit" if we had no crossbows?

But I must confess that with the crossbows I just shoot them and do not know anything technical about them. You pull the string back until it clicks, put an arrow on the top of the thingy, then pull the trigger. After that you go look for the arrow, swear for a while because you can't find it, then go back inside the house because cars are slowing down to look at you.

[hunter63]

Still have and shoot a Barnett cira 1970's with a original "Red Dot" on it....But I will have to invest in some "Bolts"...(they don't call'em arrows....too short I guess?)

Saw one on "Pawn Stars".....guy wanted $500 buck for this antique.....don't remember if he got it or not....but they did take it to the "expert" for a value.

Yeah, we have "STUFF".

[jim Glass]

LOL....Thought maybe you were think about another forum as your thread really kinda went everywhere.....which does happen ...sometimes.

So did the slug comments help you out any?

Yes, I didn't know about the rifled sleeves that screw on in place of the choke. Sounds like a slug barrel is preferred.

I'll probably hunt with the cross bow most of the time and use the 870 as a loaner. The Canadian friend also has a cross bow but is reluctant to bring it across the boarder. Does that make sense? I have another friend that goes duck hunting in Canada claims declaring firearms at the boarder is no problem.

After the Paris shoot out last Friday our boarders might tighten up. Jim

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