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DSJohnson
09-12-2015, 01:21 AM
When you "go out in the woods" how many layers of PKS do you have/take? I mean, after reading some posts on a couple of different threads about "primary PSKs" and "back up PSKs" I am just curious. I realize that the phase PSK needs to be quantified. I mean you could say, quite righteously, that your whole back pack/canoe load/car load is, in fact your basic PSK. I am very interested in going past that. As in, you dump your canoe in deep water and because you did not tie floats to everything or lash everything in the canoe you are now without the gear that either sank or disappeared, or or you leave your "base camp/tent/fire/shelter area" and when you come back it is looted, either by animals or mankind either way your gear is either gone or damaged pretty much beyond use. What do you carry or have to "fall back on"? Please don't get tied up in my what ifs, just think about how many different levels/layers of PSK do you carry? Do you always, no matter what, have a ferro rod and a knife on you? Do you always have a "personal EDC PSK" on you?

Thanks

druid
09-12-2015, 02:32 AM
In the woods, I keep a few PSKs on my body...one for tinder/fire, one first aid. In town I have an urban altoids tin.

crashdive123
09-12-2015, 06:14 AM
While I don't really call anything I carry a PSK, I do layer what I carry.

Day hikes -

Pockets
Waist back
Backpack

Canoeing/kayaking -

Attached to life jacket
Pockets
Shoulder/chest/waist rig
Dry bags/boxes (other than leisurely float trips everything is secured)

Vehicle trips -

Pockets
Waist bag
Truck = Enough crap to live comfortably for a very long time

Rick
09-12-2015, 08:34 AM
I only have two designated PSKs. One is in my pack and one is my neck knife. That's beyond what's on my person such as clipped to my belt and in my pockets. Where I live if you let someone know where you are going it would be hard to be in a survival situation. Cold weather would be the greatest threat I think.

Mannlicher
09-12-2015, 11:11 AM
what the hell is a PKS? PSK? whatever? :online2long:

Rick
09-12-2015, 11:52 AM
Personal Survival Kit

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?8037-Abbreviations-and-Terms

Seniorman
09-12-2015, 12:07 PM
what the hell is a PKS? PSK? whatever? :online2long:

A "PKS" is your Pointed Killing Stick. :yes:

S.M.

Batch
09-12-2015, 01:39 PM
I don't call anything I have a PSK either. I carry some stuff on my belt, some in my pockets everyday. I wear cargo shorts and fishing shirts probably 360 days a year.

I have kits in my packs that probably would be what others call PSK. Though, I think of the signal stuff as rescue gear. The first aid kit as a first aid kit. And the rest of the items that could be used as shelter or water gathering and what not. I don't have them in a kit. Just items in my bag(s).

hunter63
09-12-2015, 01:55 PM
Lately I have been just wearing my Life Alert Pendent......
http://www.lifealerthelp.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwms-vBRDlsM7utpaJ47ABEiQAIpKjTFtFaZEo9Ye3h526JtVXXkkju uE98_4sC43CBlcUAdIaAqGR8P8HAQ

natertot
09-12-2015, 02:26 PM
I'm with the other folks. I have small kits that I keep in my bags. A small fire kit, first aid kit, fishing kit, etc. As far as additional items, I just keep some necessities in the pockets. Extra lighter or two, extra knife, a small little first aid kit, some cordage, and maybe some other things depending on what I am doing. There really isn't anything I'd call a psk.

kyratshooter
09-12-2015, 02:39 PM
Lately I have been just wearing my Life Alert Pendent......
http://www.lifealerthelp.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwms-vBRDlsM7utpaJ47ABEiQAIpKjTFtFaZEo9Ye3h526JtVXXkkju uE98_4sC43CBlcUAdIaAqGR8P8HAQ

Since 77% of all injuries happen in the home that and a band-aid is all you really need, right?

It is also a fact that %100 of all drunk driving accidents happen after drinking, %100 of sports injuries happen while playing sports and %100 of hunting injuries happen while hunting. Probably the same for fishing accidents but I did not find statistics proving that.

I do not do the PSK beyond having gear in my vehicles. Most of that is due to my lifestyle and lifelong habits. I drop my pocket knife in my pocket when I put on my pants in the morning. I have always kept a method of making fire available, even though is has never been called to emergency use.

If you want to call the knife, water bottle and FAK I drop in my day bag for a hike a PSK I suppose you can, although I just consider that the stuff you carry for a hike.

Same with camping gear. Why would I need "layers of PSK" when I have a truck load of life sustaining camping gear?

I am really in favor of the "Pointed Killing Stick" and feel that was actually the very first "PSK" (personal survival kit) in the truest sense of the term, and I reference its use by chimps all over the world as proof, as well as the continued issuing of a bayonet to fit on the end of the worlds best assault rifles.

If you do not know how to make any other single tool in the world you can still make a Pointed Killing Stick.

And how many of us have taken our own kids to the woods for a day or a camping trip, before they were old enough to carry a knife, and seen them instantly hunt for a good stick to carry. I have seen some really emotional incidents over the theft of or damage too a good stick.

My vote is for the Pointed Killing Stick, first and greatest of all survival tools!

hunter63
09-12-2015, 02:53 PM
Make sure it longer that you are tall....so you don't fall and stick yourself in the eye.

natertot
09-12-2015, 09:43 PM
And how many of us have taken our own kids to the woods for a day or a camping trip, before they were old enough to carry a knife, and seen them instantly hunt for a good stick to carry. I have seen some really emotional incidents over the theft of or damage too a good stick.

My vote is for the Pointed Killing Stick, first and greatest of all survival tools!

Yeah, the one you witnessed with us last June still is a source of contention with the little tots. Grudges over damaged sticks go for months!!!!

madmax
09-12-2015, 10:00 PM
hmmm. I'll answer one "layer". Knife, lighter, water container. I have and practice being out there with just those for 72 hrs... but this is FL.

kyratshooter
09-12-2015, 11:49 PM
Yeah, the one you witnessed with us last June still is a source of contention with the little tots. Grudges over damaged sticks go for months!!!!

That situation was so typical I am sure it has played out millions of times in human history.

You find a stick that is just right, you work it over and make it better and it is just exactly the way you want it and what happens?

Your little brother comes along and throws it in a ditch!

In pre-Columbian Native American culture, and in some of the African nomadic cultures, digging was done using a specialized "digging stick", and some of them were highly specialized and decorated.

And the spear, hardened in the fire, was among the first weapons humans used and carried from place to place. Probably was only preceded by the club, which was a dull killing stick!

So here you have an early human community, the men carrying long wooden spears, the women carrying shorter digging sticks and the kids imitating the parents.

So finding your "pointed killing stick" for both male and female, from childhood through adulthood, is imprinted in the genetic code.

I still use one today, often carrying my stout walking stick as well as rifle or shotgun on my walkabouts.

Grizzlyette Adams
09-13-2015, 12:57 AM
My "essentials for the day" largely depends on the time of year and location, but no matter what I do keep a knife and fire-makings (for water purification and/or warmth, and for signalling if needed) on my body. Another set is my carry pack. The stuff in my pack(s) are for comfort and would certainly be sorely missed if something happened to them but my knife and fire-makings represent survival and are literally tied to me.

Because there is always the possibility of losing even the basic tools for survival, I am constantly striving to adhere to the maxim, "The more you carry in your head, the less you carry on your back."

I didn't always believe in this, and relied too much on "things." The school of hard knocks taught this dummy some tough lessons!

TXyakr
09-13-2015, 07:09 AM
I agree with Grizzlyette. Every trip is different I pack accordingly and the most important thing is my experience and ability to improvise and find solutions.

I also assess what others in the group have and where they are at all times. Make sure they don't wander off too far or at least tell me which direction they are going and mark their trail. I have been shocked at how few "experienced hikers" don't know how to mark a trail in a non destructive way or "look back" for mental markers. No wonder so many people get lost. I could go on and on guess not everyone was raised living a primitve lifestyle in the wilderness...

Edit: "Ideally" you would be properly prepared and with someone or a group of people you trust who are also "responsible". In the case of a personal watercraft most of your gear should be in dry bags/boxes that FLOAT and are properly tied to the watercraft that has proper floatation bags and/or is buoyant. If however your "girlfriend" apparently sabotaged your watercraft and you don't have a PFD, apparel etc. and are in frigid waters no PSK is likely to save you...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/drowned-dramatic-911-call-reveals-details-york-kayak/story?id=33684847

I do not go on long treks into the very remote wilderness by myself without at least a Personal Locator Beacon which is not that expensive compared to the cost of a search and rescue. 99% of the time I am in a group of 4 or more people because I have a fully functional brain and many outdoor friends (one to stay with injured, 2 to go for help). Nearby parks and places with lots of other humans I do go by myself often, that is totally different. Not much even the best ER Doctor can do with the best belt carry PSK, ask one. (Assuming it is not just need for pure water, common minor scrape, cut or very minor dysentery etc. which it is about 99% of the time.) I have camped with several Doctors one is an ER Doctor. One Dr. did some on the trail work on a lady who injured herself. He had a large kit in his canoe but was still very limited in what he said he could do.

If your canoe, jon boat, kayak, paddle board or other personal watercraft does not have enough places to tie down your gear to you can add D-rings with PVC patches and many other methods. There is never a "good" excuse for someone with a fully functional brain to "loose their gear" or not have a PFD properly ON! or not have a spare paddle tied in etc etc.

http://www.nrs.com/product/2098/nrs-canoe-2-d-ring-pvc-patch?utm_campaign=shop_comp&utm_source=google&utm_medium=buy_now&utm_term=goog_product_2098&gclid=CJetgYf588cCFQGqaQodEi0DEA

Well perhaps their excuse is they ran off into the wilderness all half cocked and foolish...

Rick
09-13-2015, 07:57 AM
I have a fully functional brain and many outdoor friends

Looks like you are two steps ahead of most of us.


Not much even the best ER Doctor can do with the best belt carry PSK

That's determined entirely by the type of injury or illness and what the kit contains.

TXyakr
09-13-2015, 08:44 AM
I am not giving legal advice but I was told by my legal counsel that if the physical or medical needs of someone in a group I am guiding as a paid outfitter is significant and possibly life threatening I can be sued if I do not make an attempt to get them to an proper urgent care facility as quickly as possible and/or make all attempts to contact the best qualified medical personnel.

However you should check with your legal counsel and the laws and regulations in your state and area. Generally I tell people who have minor scrapes and cuts or dysentery that they may use my FAK at their own risk. Also that they can drink any water I attempted to purify at their own risk but there are no guarantees in life. Also that I have become sick many times from water and food that I believed was fine. Also all shelters fail, duct tape does not fix all of them.

The next 3 weekends the care of several 7th grade girls will be partly my responsibility as I take them down a river in tiny WW kayaks over several rapids. I take this very seriously.

Batch
09-13-2015, 08:59 AM
Are outdoor friends like outdoor dogs? That's kinda cruel in the Texas heat ain't it?

I say if their really your friends, let them come in and give them a nice tall glass of ice cold Flavor Aid. :innocent:

Wise Old Owl
09-13-2015, 09:55 AM
A "PKS" is your Pointed Killing Stick. :yes:

S.M.

Wow was that a poke.....http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/Fun%20Post/pokewstick_zpsf4e5580f.gif

Wise Old Owl
09-13-2015, 10:50 AM
Well seeing we are all sharing. On short trips in the woods in known areas

On the belt I carry
MINI Mag light LED
Leatherman Wave
carbiner for Water bottle with built in filter, or regular water bottle.


In the pockets
White Micro BIC & char cloth patch & pocket Fresnel magnify plastic
Smart Phone
Medicine in waterproof cap.
Small amount of hand sanitizer
Deep Woods Off wipes.

DSJohnson
09-13-2015, 04:11 PM
Well Okay then. Thank all of you so much for your opinions, ideas, thoughts, and experiences. I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
You see I had never thought much about PSKs per say or layers or "primary/secondary" in regards to what I take with me either for everyday or when I am going camping/riding/canoeing. When I watched Pict's video and read that thread I was just kind of curious about how you folks thought about it. I always, always have a knife on my person except when I am on a public plane, or in federal court. Those are the only two places that I have ever run into that actually made me empty my pockets and still go thru a metal detector. Nowadays I also carry a ferro rod and most of the time a Bic style light in my pockets as well.

I will say that I am kind of OCD about fire starting capabilities and because of that besides what I carry in pockets, if I am "out in the woods" In my pack I have matches, wind proof matches, two extra propane lights, a magnifying lens, a mag block w/ a ferro rod, and of course PJtreated Cottonballs, some Jute, maybe some grass rope.

I carry a G.I. Metal canteen, cup and stove, and two different Sawyer filter systems plus a couple of two gallon zip lock freezer bags to hold water if I need to.

So I can not point to one pouch or lump and say "Oh yeah this is my Personal Survival Kit" But from listening to the video and reading that thread I thought maybe I was missing something.

I love sticks too. I almost always end up with a new stick every time I spend much time in the woods. What really sucks is when some idiot does not recognize what an amazing tool you have made and throws it in the fire! I use a walking stick/staff a lot and a Pointy Killing Stick would be one of the top things on my list in a real "survival" situation.

Phaedrus
09-14-2015, 03:09 AM
Lately I haven't had many opportunities to remote enough to need much survival gear. But I do like to keep a small "last ditch" kit in a pocket along with a more comprehensive kit carried in a pack. My ditch kit is a Ritter/AMK PSP with a few additional items crammed in there. It's not ideal but if I'm separate from my gear it's enough to give me better odds. I feel it's important to tote the minimum stuff in a way that minimized the odds of losing it (duh, I guess, but it's hard to beat your pockets for small items that fit in them).

Wildthang
09-14-2015, 01:13 PM
Most days I carry a knife and a lighter in my pockets, and a nice little get home bag in the truck. I am never very far from my truck so I am comfortable with that!
When I'm in the wilderness I wear my backpack and still have a few things in my pockets. I'm not going to have a lot of redundancy because it just gets heavy! I have never lost a backpack and do not plan on ever doing that. If I do I will just have to make do with the things in my pockets!

TXyakr
09-14-2015, 01:16 PM
DSJohnson as much as I like backups there can also be too much of a good thing. When my "human" friends and I are giving kayak and canoe introductory lessons we go over various styles of PFDs and those with large pockets come up. One very experienced high level certified instructor likes to point out that if you fill these and your other pockets with heavy objects you can loose much of your floatation. Most "life vests" aka PFDs only provide about 15-17 pounds of floatation. Once the waterline comes over your mouth you are in trouble. If it does not fit you well and slides up in addition to this your lack of gills puts you in stress, then if your feet get entangled in tree roots, logs and rocks or the watercraft, lights out...

So whatever you have actually on your person not in a day bag or backpack or dry bag should be carefully thought out.

I have a tiny ferro rod 1" toggle (two holes) in the laces of my boots and also one on water sandals. It is a very difficult to start a fire with but can be done in a absolute worst case situation. Bracelets can easily get caught on something so unless they come off easily I don't like them.

All my First Aid Kits have very minimal fire starting devices typically a lighter packed so it will not easy get crushed and/or a small ferro rod also protected. I prefer gauze and tape over bandaids, because it is more versatile. May only have 2-3 medium - large bandaids, 2x1/2" roll of duct tape I rolled my self especially if in wet environment can go over gauze and medical tape to keep moisture out for several hours until after outdoor activities are over.

BTW Batch I rarely take a dog with me camping. A friend often takes one or more Labs. They have attracted puma which are fun to hear scream nearby. The lab has dug up nutria nests, also fun. I don't mind camping with dogs but unless it is a hunting trip they are more trouble than help. Most of my outdoor friends are from outdoor clubs that you can find on the internet and people from work, old university friends, folks I have known since H.S. or before. And people I work with on paid guided trips. I hope that was entertaining or possibly informative for you... Any more smart guy comments from the peanut gallery?

Always looking for new places to camp in places I have not yet been, when are we going you go camping down by you Batch?

NightSG
09-14-2015, 01:48 PM
Bracelets can easily get caught on something so unless they come off easily I don't like them.

For a friend in LE, I did a paracord ankle bracelet with concealed polymer handcuff key and a few feet of 65lb test Spiderwire braided line (can saw through flex cuffs or zip ties, or just be excellent repair cordage) tucked into the paracord. In uniform, it's out of sight, (and anyone seeing it isn't likely to think a cute little colored ankle bracelet is an escape kit) and she rarely wears shorts or skirts anywhere she might get it snagged. She likes the polymer design so she doesn't set off metal detectors. I thought about making myself one when I worked security, just in case, but I usually just had a polymer key rubber cemented to the inside back of my belt and a regular key on a dogtag chain around my neck. (Even people who have been in handcuffs a lot aren't likely to be thinking about making sure the keyholes are away from the hands if they're rushing to get the cop or guard into cuffs. If you're worried, though, with a little practice it's not that hard to get a key on a neck chain into your mouth and unlock one cuff that way. Still have to get them in front first, but if you're unguarded, that's not too hard. If you're being watched, getting out of the cuffs on your own is generally a non-starter.)

Rick
09-14-2015, 01:51 PM
I've found the easiest way to get out of cuffs is to not get arrested. By the way, a pink ankle bracelet would look good on you. It is all about accessorizing.

crashdive123
09-14-2015, 04:03 PM
Nope. Not going there. Not gonna do it.

hunter63
09-14-2015, 04:24 PM
Nor am I.......

TXyakr
09-14-2015, 04:54 PM
I have lived many years and avoided outlaws or wild girlfriends hand cuffing me. If a law enforcement officer cuffs me I will not compound the situation by attempting to escape, but will call my attorney friends and ask their advice on the best lawyer for the situation I am in. Most likely mistaken identity like that tennis player, James Blake, in Manhattan:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/terrifying-video-shows-tennis-star-james-blake-tackled-and-handcuffed-by-nypd

His best Personal Survival Kit item for NYC's out of control police was the number of a good attorney.

Rick
09-14-2015, 06:00 PM
"I have lived many years and avoided...wild girlfriends had cuffing me"

Let's not get carried away. Some of us pay good money to have women...never mind.

Erratus Animus
09-17-2015, 01:46 PM
To the original OP ; I would like to be able to say always but having grown up in the country, hunting and trapping and still living on that same land I do get complacent. Now that I am older in years I think more about "an ounce of prevention ...." and do pretty much have in my pockets a vacuum sealed packet of bee'swax cotton balls, ferro rod , personal woods knife and axe. I made a sling sheath from some straps and kydex for carrying the axe and it rides so well I forget about it at times.

As for longer trips I focus on my clothing a bit more, and also have the above with me. When hunting a have a small packet on my belt with a leatherman, paracord, mora companion, surveyors tape, contractor bag, cell, and 72hr bar.

I had to use the kit once. I was hunting and not expected back till late that night and the weather was such that exposure would be a reality had I not been prepared. I fell from 16 feet up and severed my ACL. I couldn't stand, it was raining and in the low 30's nor could I get a cell signal. I preformed a initial survey on myself , fire fighter for 24 years, found only my leg injured. I used the kit to cut a couple saplings to make a splint from and immobilized the leg. For the next hour I low crawled up the ridge till I got a cell sig. another hour before I could find someone that knew where I was and could come get me out and to the hospital. I was on the verge of being hypothermic and had gotten the wet fire cube out and about to make a fire when my buddy arrived with his deer dolly.

I think of that event often when heading out the door and how fragile and precious life is as well as how unpredictable the world and others around us can be. Those thoughts alone remind me to be more consistent with my EDC regardless of where I am.

Grizzlyette Adams
09-17-2015, 02:02 PM
+100% to Erratus Animus' post.

Wow, that goes to show how for every gazillion times we carry our "stuff," that ONE time it saves our butt is well worth it.

Jimmy Whisper
09-17-2015, 09:31 PM
I have a PSK in an altoids tin that is stuffed into an old alice compass pouch with an emergency poncho. Its a last resort kit that I make sure I bring if I am wandering too far off the beaten path or if the temps at night start dipping into the 40's. Other than that I just try to make sure I have a means of starting a fire and I either carry water or have a means of purifying some. If I'm not packing really light, my possibles bag (modern, but I still use the name) will take care of a lot of my needs. Mileage will probably vary for folks in less populated areas than me. I struggle to find places I can hike all day without seeing anybody. If I was in real trouble, I could hike to a road with traffic in less and two hours in most of the places I frequent. If I am lucky enough to get out of this area and head somewhere more desolate, I take things a little more seriously.

Either way, I am a big advocate of a possibles kit or bag over a psk. People tend to pack a psk in such a way that they never want to open it. Thats all well and good for emergencies because it's there if you need it and it's not depleted or tainted. But if you have a possibles kit that you are constantly using and adding to or modifying based on your skillset and needs... Well... thats the one my money's on for getting you out of a jam. You are familiar with it and comfortable with it. It turns a bad situation into an unplanned and slightly uncomfortable camping trip.

NightSG
09-18-2015, 02:19 PM
I've found the easiest way to get out of cuffs is to not get arrested.

Oddly enough, the inspiration for that was when her sister handcuffed herself to me, then couldn't find the key.

I'd had a crush on both of them for 20 years at that point, so I made a point of forgetting I had one on me until a bit later.

Batch
09-19-2015, 08:55 AM
One of the things you read and hear a lot is what people plan or didn't plan to do. These almost always are how a real "survival" story starts.

I don't plan on getting lost, losing my backpack,I carry a lighter so I don't need to learn any other way to start a fire. I know people who regularly go out into some seriously bad lands without what we here would say is the bare minimum.

But, you can be a "survivor". You can go out with your backpack, clothing you consider "shelter" from the elements and mosquitoes. You can have your Bic, compass, knife, rifle, potable water, food, flashlight, even a cellphone and what ever you carry in along with your years of being a woodsman. Mr. Murphy has a long standing reputation of making the worst scenario happen.

An example of that Jamey Mosch. He walked away from Turner River Road in Big Cypress. He never planned to go more than 100 yards from the road. When he became lost he could hear his friends talking in the distance. He fired shots in the air and they fired shots in the air in response. They knew where he was and where he walked in. They called for rescue right away.

This is how Jamey would start 4 days in what he called hell. He says you take the worst jungle and times it by 10 and that was what he got lost in. He was close enough to Alligator alley that he could hear the highway.

$ days later he would be rescued by a search dog. He was still viable and mostly walked out on his own. But, he was humbled. Nature literally stripped him of all of his gear including his clothes. Now, you can say that this would not happen to you. But, with 100% certainty Jamey Mosch would have said it couldn't happen to him. everyone who knew him said for certain he would make it out and he did. They said that he was a very experienced hunter and woodsman. They all called him a survivor.

You can say, "that will never happen to me." Or, you could say, "what if that happened to me?"

That's how you should build your PSK or attach your gear to your person and packs. Having read about the people who actually experience these scenarios, what can you do if the unthinkable happens to you? What if it isn't you who is in Jamey's shoes. What if it is your hunting buddy, son, or daughter? What can you learn now before this scenario.

Being less than 2 hours hike from a road is how many miles? This man went 100 yards into the woods with everything you could ask for and emerged 4 days later all but naked and with none of the gear he went in with. We'll never know if he would have made it out eventually on his own.

His story in his own words.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/local-news/lost-hunter-talks-jamey-mosch-stalked-everglades-p

Rick
09-19-2015, 10:01 AM
Amen. Plan for the worst.

hunter63
09-19-2015, 10:59 AM
I don't think you would have to look hard to find similar stories, Batch....including personnel near misses...where one thing tend to put the situation over the top.
Great post and reminder.

.......And all the armchair Monday morning quarterbacks, that tend to pick over a story with shoulda, coulda , woulda........Were not there.

DSJohnson
09-19-2015, 11:15 PM
One of the things you read and hear a lot is what people plan or didn't plan to do. These almost always are how a real "survival" story starts.

I don't plan on getting lost, losing my backpack,I carry a lighter so I don't need to learn any other way to start a fire. I know people who regularly go out into some seriously bad lands without what we here would say is the bare minimum.

But, you can be a "survivor". You can go out with your backpack, clothing you consider "shelter" from the elements and mosquitoes. You can have your Bic, compass, knife, rifle, potable water, food, flashlight, even a cellphone and what ever you carry in along with your years of being a woodsman. Mr. Murphy has a long standing reputation of making the worst scenario happen.

An example of that Jamey Mosch. He walked away from Turner River Road in Big Cypress. He never planned to go more than 100 yards from the road. When he became lost he could hear his friends talking in the distance. He fired shots in the air and they fired shots in the air in response. They knew where he was and where he walked in. They called for rescue right away.

This is how Jamey would start 4 days in what he called hell. He says you take the worst jungle and times it by 10 and that was what he got lost in. He was close enough to Alligator alley that he could hear the highway.

$ days later he would be rescued by a search dog. He was still viable and mostly walked out on his own. But, he was humbled. Nature literally stripped him of all of his gear including his clothes. Now, you can say that this would not happen to you. But, with 100% certainty Jamey Mosch would have said it couldn't happen to him. everyone who knew him said for certain he would make it out and he did. They said that he was a very experienced hunter and woodsman. They all called him a survivor.

You can say, "that will never happen to me." Or, you could say, "what if that happened to me?"

That's how you should build your PSK or attach your gear to your person and packs. Having read about the people who actually experience these scenarios, what can you do if the unthinkable happens to you? What if it isn't you who is in Jamey's shoes. What if it is your hunting buddy, son, or daughter? What can you learn now before this scenario.

Being less than 2 hours hike from a road is how many miles? This man went 100 yards into the woods with everything you could ask for and emerged 4 days later all but naked and with none of the gear he went in with. We'll never know if he would have made it out eventually on his own.

His story in his own words.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/local-news/lost-hunter-talks-jamey-mosch-stalked-everglades-p

Several very interesting things in that interview. Thank you very much for posting that Batch.

yellowcab
10-19-2025, 06:31 PM
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10-19-2025, 06:33 PM
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yellowcab
03-31-2026, 04:49 PM
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