Just a question for the 1911 folks

[DSJohnson]

So how many rounds do you carry in your "spare/backup/ready" mags? Do you rotate your mags out? Come to think of it how many loaded mags do you EDC? When I worked in the armory on the Proteus and at all times in the USN (I was never in-country or in combat on the ground) you only and always just loaded 5 rounds in a magazine to keep from "over compressing the mag spring" which would lead to a failure to fire.

[crashdive123]

I normally don't carry my 1911's, but when I do I carry 7 rounds per mag with three extra mags. I quickly got away from the Navy's 5 rounds per mag.

For my high capacity 45's I carry 13 rounds per mag with 2 extra mags.

[DSJohnson]

Crash,
I know. I carry my Mod 21 a whole lot more than I used to. Just the simple fact that I can have access to 40 shots with only two reloads is pretty convincing. I have no idea what kind of scenario it would take for me to need that but it just amazing. with my pistol fully loaded and just two spare mags vs (if I am using Wilson or similar 8 rd mags) 9 in the pistol and 16 in the spares so 25 shots with the same two reloads.

[DSJohnson]

Wow...54 views and one reply.....hmmmm Guess I misread the local population here.

[TXyakr]

Wow...54 views and one reply.....hmmmm Guess I misread the local population here.

Your thread's title is ambiguous. Personally I thought it was something more technical about the firearm itself.

I would not consider a 1911 a good choice for conceal carry, but for in your vehicle or backpack when going for a day hike perhaps. Like most if you are not in a state like CA, fully loaded mag, nothing in chamber, extra mag if circumstances call for it, at least one extra in car. If you are going off trail in SE OK better have a bunch of mags, there are a bunch of people growing contraband down there you could get in one heck of a fire fight. Best not to wonder around off well marked trails in places like that. 1911 against AK47s, ARs and longer range deer rifles and you are missing forever.

[kyratshooter]

You did not misread the population DS. I love my 1911s, always have, always will. The 9mm fanboys can shout about modern ammo and fast shooters all they want, my .45 is already as big as their 9mm will expand too.

I have never worried about keeping mags fully loaded. I have never had one fail due to the spring taking a set and I have been shooting those suckers since 1968.

However, I never pay much attention to it because I normally just load the mags before I leave the house and keep them empty while stored. My 1911 units are sporting and woods bumming guns so I do not have to keep the mags at the ready.

If all I had was a 1911 I would try to rotate the magazines out. They are cheap enough to have a pile of them on hand so there is no reason to not do that.

Alas, I also have fallen victim to the 21st Century and acquired a .45 that uses the big fat magazines a couple of years back.

And when carrying concealed I pack a smaller 9mm poodle shooter just because I can hide it. I am not big enough to conceal a 1911.

[Phaedrus]

I suppose this isn't exactly the answer to your question as I don't currently have a 1911, but I do sometimes carry a Beretta Nano. It's a single stack 9mm with two different mag options, either a 6 round or an 8 round. I've extensively tested all my mags and all of them work perfectly in the gun when ran +1 (that is to say, one in the chamber then fully top off the mag). Normally I'll carry it with the larger mag, 8+1. On rare occasions when I need maximum concealment I'll carry the flush mag. In any event I carry one spare mag, so usually that means I have 17 rounds on me (nine in the gun with one eight round mag on my belt). This is the same round count you'd have if you carry Chip McCormick Power-Mags or Wilson 47D's.

FWIW, I carry one spare mag no matter what gun I'm toting. The exceptions would be when I'm hiking or camping (I'll have more mags and sometimes a second gun) or traveling in the stix by car (again, more mags). And while I'm not a big fan of off-body carry, on my day off if I'm out and about I'll generally be wearing my regular load-out of sidearm and spare mag but I'll also have a mag or two in my sling bag that I carry my tablet in.

[TXyakr]

It has been said many times that the only interesting or useful firearm is an accurate one so whatever you train with is best, don't waste rounds because you didn't train.

Officer Stg. Jay Cook used a .45 caliber to stop escaping convict Mr. Sweat a few miles from the Canadian border (Would have been embarrassing if Mounties picked him up as he crossed.) with two shots at over 50 yards from a handgun (heck of a shot! both!). I never heard which handgun but something that he trained with that shoots well. So evidently all those other law enforcement people with long guns just walked right past him and did not look up at obvious tree stand locations with lines of sight. Bottom line training is more important than your exact gear.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/21/david-sweat-details-how-he-escaped-from-prison/

[natertot]

I fully load all my mags. If I can't trust a firearm or its' mag, it then gets replace or repaired.

I prefer a 9 over a 45 for defense purposes. The saying "my 45 is already as big as what your 9 will expand to" has always cracked me up. It may be true, but the 9 also goes deeper. Deep and wide is better than just wide. Who cares that the 45 is bigger if it doesn't penetrate as well. JMHO

Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i22-nMxnHrE

[hunter63]

I guess I didn't pay a lot of attention because...
Only one 1911...Kimber Raffle Prize
Don't CC it.
No reason to keep mags loaded (came with two)

Normal CCW is Ruger LCP, (one spare mag)....or LCR (spare speed loader......)......or NAA .22 mag (pocket tucker)

I have mag filled with various ammo for various assets, never had a problem with spring, feeding etc.

[TXyakr]

There are also the compact 1911 style of CCW. I have never even shot one of those so will not comment much, but I assume they are popular with people who like some of the features of a full sized 1911 such as the steel frame (not lightweight, cost reduced materials) and safety stuff as well but need to conceal it at least occasionally. It is still a shorter barrel and lighter so I am fairly sure I would be less accurate with it even at close range of 5-10 yards compared to the full weight of a "true" 1911 that absorbs more of the recoil. Especially with .45 but even with .38 or 9mm this can make a difference. Like almost all gear your application dictates what tool, weapon or "gear" is best or most appropriate. Also a full magazine as long as you are not weak or recovering from an injury gives the firearm more mass so it moves less with the recoil and gets back on target better for the second shot. (not by much but every little bit helps). Why "some" people spend/waste extra for tungsten rods inside recoil springs of their Glocks etc. NOT ME!!!

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/01/top-13-1911-compact-handguns-concealed-carry/#springfield-emp-3

Edit: Off topic but if you want to compare a smaller caliber to a good steel frame semi-auto that is a modern alternative to a 1911 go to a gun range and rent a 9mm Browning Hi-Power Mark III or H.P. Standard (32 oz), use a full magazine. See if your group is not tighter than with a lighter weight semi-auto; shoot fast, less than 1 second between rounds (have someone tap you on head to add stress perhaps). This is an expensive sidearm but a pleasure to use for target practice. Normally I only load 5 rounds for target practice because it is difficult for my old brain to count that fast, but will load full mag to get slight advantage if need be or just for fun.

[kyratshooter]

I fully load all my mags. If I can trust a firearm or its' mag, it then gets replace or repaired.

I prefer a 9 over a 45 for defense purposes. The saying "my 45 is already as big as what your 9 will expand to" has always cracked me up. It may be true, but the 9 also goes deeper. Deep and wide is better than just wide. Who cares that the 45 is bigger if it doesn't penetrate as well. JMHO

Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i22-nMxnHrE


OK Nate, I just want to hit the guy I'm shooting at, not him and the one behind him.

Besides, this is about magazines being fully loaded, overloaded and under-loaded and I don't want to hijack the thread.

My own shortfall in this area is that I seldom carry a spare magazine on me for my CCW. I carry spare ammo and an extra mag in the vehicles, as well as a full sized service pistol w/ammo. My CCW is a small, concealable weapon, not a full sized service pistol in a belt holster with a shirt tail covering it. I can not conceal a full sized service pistol of even its "compact" little brother. I am already carrying enough gear in my pockets to promote the need for suspenders.

I have a cut off point between civilian CCW and a tactical load out. How many rounds do you need to take out a lone wolf shooter, or even two active shooters, without endangering the bystanders.

I have not been in an extended firefight for some time and do not anticipate one occurring anytime soon. If I do become involved in an altercation that requires more than the rounds in my pistol, as in multiple well armed and well trained assailants, I am probably going to die with rounds still in the weapon.

Then we have the whole business of states that do not allow more than X# rounds in a firearm at one time????

Depending on the local situation that could be a game changing factor in both caliber selection, weapon selection and number of magazines needed.

But look on the good side, with only 7 rounds in that Glock 19 magazine the spring is never going to take a "set" or need replacement for fatigue.

[Seniorman]

Well, as you asked, here is mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Leanwolf/LWcomm.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Leanwolf/media/LWcomm.jpg.html)

Colt's Lightweight Commander .45 ACP. MMC Hi Vis Sights, Bar-Sto barrel, aluminum lightweight trigger, Kramer Pro-Line Horsehide holster, Milt Sparks single mag pouch, Shooting Star eight round magazines.

I figure that if I get into a very bad situation and can't shoot my way out of it with 17 rounds of .45 hollow point bullets.... I'll resort to that old admonition "Feets, don't fail me now!!" :thumbs_up:

EDIT: I don't worry about compressed magazine springs. Been shooting Colt's Govt. Model .45 ACP for 50 years and never had a problem with a magazine I'd left loaded for a long, long time.

S.M.

[DSJohnson]

I keep one of my 1911s in my vehicle all the time. I keep 2 fully loaded Wilson magazines with it. If I am going to need it I think I want the additional ammo as well, I guess. By the way I also, almost all the time, have a shotgun in my pickup. (You know the whole "just in case/be prepared" deal)

Kyratshooter, To be honest, if I am going to be carrying a pistol concealed on my body for more than an hour or so I usually go with a Colt "Hammerless Pocket Model" The 1908 in 380ACP. Much easier for me to keep hid and much lighter. I use an inside-the-pants waist holster usually with my shirt tucked IN. I choose to give up speed and access for concealment. I almost never carry an extra loaded mag with me. I keep at least one loaded mag in my vehicle. I expect that if I am in an incident where I pull/use my firearm it will either be fixed with the rounds in the pistol or I will be down.

My original question stems from trying to reconcile my "perceived need" to have a reload immediately available and also to get feed back from other folks about how they load the traditional 1911 type single stack coil spring powered magazines.

TXyaker I totally agree with the concept that you should carry the firearm you are most proficient with. A fast miss is still a miss and a hit from a 32ACP is, in my opinion much better than 5 misses from a 45ACP.

Natertot Do you really want to start talking about 9 vs 45? :no: If you notice I never even mentioned a caliber in my original post. I have 1911s in 45, 10, 9, and 38 Super. As far as it goes, if you are happy with the 9 I am happy for you!

Please keep responding I am learning more with every reply!

[Rick]

I don't own a 1911 :sad:. That's not to say I don't own .45s. I just don't own a 1911 version. 13+1 for me and two extra mags.

[Seniorman]

DS JOHNSON - "... If you notice I never even mentioned a caliber in my original post. I have 1911s in 45, 10, 9, and 38 Super. ..."

Very nice collection, DS, but there is one you are sadly lacking and you need to rectify that. That would be Colt's 1911 Govt. Model in .38 Special.

I have a buddy who has two of them, one new-in-the-box. (Even the box is worth a small fortune. :blink:) The other has been shot but looks new. Talk about that old, beautiful Colt blue and craftmanship, his are stunning. Not many around. They were made for the Bullseye shooters. He's been offered a ton of money for them but he keeps them for his two sons.

So, better get busy and find one to add to your Govt. Model collection. :laugh:

S.M.

[DSJohnson]

Seniorman, Alas I have handled several of those. Yes it was set up to shoot midrange 38 SPL wadcuuters of all things. Marked "National Match" on the slide and barrel. Adjustable sights, adjustable trigger. They are beautiful alright. However I doubt that I will ever add one. Not much of a match shooter these days.

[Seniorman]

Seniorman, Alas I have handled several of those. Yes it was set up to shoot midrange 38 SPL wadcuuters of all things. Marked "National Match" on the slide and barrel. Adjustable sights, adjustable trigger. They are beautiful alright. However I doubt that I will ever add one. Not much of a match shooter these days.

I know what you mean. My shooting these days is relegated to IDPA and casual plinking. If I want to shoot very accurately with a .38 Special target gun, my old S&W Combat Masterpiece takes care of that job very well.

S.M.

[TXyakr]

OK Nate, I just want to hit the guy I'm shooting at, not him and the one behind him.

Besides, this is about magazines being fully loaded, overloaded and under-loaded and I don't want to hijack the thread.

My own shortfall in this area is that I seldom carry a spare magazine on me for my CCW. I carry spare ammo and an extra mag in the vehicles, as well as a full sized service pistol w/ammo. My CCW is a small, concealable weapon, not a full sized service pistol in a belt holster with a shirt tail covering it. I can not conceal a full sized service pistol of even its "compact" little brother. I am already carrying enough gear in my pockets to promote the need for suspenders.

I have a cut off point between civilian CCW and a tactical load out. How many rounds do you need to take out a lone wolf shooter, or even two active shooters, without endangering the bystanders.

I have not been in an extended firefight for some time and do not anticipate one occurring anytime soon. If I do become involved in an altercation that requires more than the rounds in my pistol, as in multiple well armed and well trained assailants, I am probably going to die with rounds still in the weapon.

Then we have the whole business of states that do not allow more than X# rounds in a firearm at one time????

Depending on the local situation that could be a game changing factor in both caliber selection, weapon selection and number of magazines needed.

But look on the good side, with only 7 rounds in that Glock 19 magazine the spring is never going to take a "set" or need replacement for fatigue.
I strongly agree with this accessment. Most of the credible stats that I have read are that only a very few rounds are typically needed for self defense. It is a very very rare case that you would need more than ten. 2-3 is often enough beyond that they are in the assailant's back or he was dying already. My understanding is that most civilians rarely carry concealed especially in the summer because it is uncomfortable, also super obvious. I can pick out a CCW at 25 yards in 90+ degree weather, perhaps that IS the point. ;-)

The dude with way too many clothes on and sweating may have a "concealed" weapon. Women with purses are not as easy but there are ways.

[hunter63]

Lady asked a Texas Ranger at a party....
"Ranger, you are wearing a pistol, are you expecting trouble?"

"No Ma'am,.... If I was expecting trouble, I would have brought a shotgun"

[crashdive123]

For summer attire I often use Thunderwear. http://thunderwear.com/holsters.asp

[natertot]

My bad for assuming the 1911 was a 45. Yes, I know they are made in other calibers, but when the caliber is not stated I tend to revert to 45 because it is by far the most common.

45 is not a bad round and is capable of doing the job when there is direct bullet to target hits. When it comes to defensive capabilities, I play the what if game. What if the threat is around the corner or on the other side of a cabinet and I need to punch through to get to the bad guy? What if I need to go through a car door? I just don't trust a 45 in those situations and rarely do life and death situations present themselves ideally. That is why I choose 9. I actually see 40 being better than 9, but not enough so to justify the price difference in ammo.

Just my opinion.

Per the op, I would load the mags up all the way and not worry. For the once a month cleaning, inspect the mags. If one seems suspect, replace the mag or the spring.

That is my method, anyway.

[Batch]

I grew up with Remington 1911a1 .45. I have never had or heard or spring compression problems. I have no issues with leaving magazines loaded in any of my guns.

I don't rotate self defense rounds once a year like is recommended by some. I do that every couple of years and have never had a hiccup from long term storage in mags.

[natertot]

+1 batch. I keep SD ammo around for five years before rotation, unless the ammo shows signs that warrant concern.

[Phaedrus]

Everyone has to decide what they're comfortable with. For my own part though I usually carry an HK P30S, HK VP9 or HK P2000. Stuff full of 147gr ammo (between 16 and 14 rounds depending on the gun) I've got about two pounds on my belt. A typical sidearm is maybe 9-10" from stem to stern and five or six inches tall (bottom of grips to the top of the rear sight). To me that's the hard part! Why then skimp on a spare mag? It's less than 1/2" x 1"x 3.5" (again, depending on the gun) and weights between a few ounces and half a pound. It's ridiculously easy to carry a spare mag if you're already wearing a heavy gun belt. To me having no spare mag would be like driving around a Chevy Suburban or Tahoe totally unloaded/empty but not wanting to take up space with a spare tire!:smartass:

In 25 years of having my CCW permit I've never drawn my gun (although a couple of times in my life I feared it might go to guns). Yet I still carry that gun. Probably I'll never draw it. But maybe I'll need it later on tonight. That's just the thing- you never know. If I do need a gun then it's already a "black swan" kind of day statistically. Do I want to further push my luck with the old 3 rounds/three yards "rule"?

Besides, nearly all malfunctions I've ever had with an auto pistol were mag related or shooter induced. The magazine is the most fragile/prone to problems part of most autos, as 1911 guys can attest. So it makes sense to have a second one with me.

While I've thankfully never been in a gunfight my study of those who have reveal that in good percentage of cases on a two-way shooting range, a person will fire until they're out of ammo. I have seen this in a lot of police shootings. It would be embarrassing to finish a gunfight with an empty sidearm only to learn the fight wasn't really finished at all! The dirt bag might have buddies. I do know of one verified case where a guy with a CCW killed an armed robber but expended all his ammo- they guy's partner showed up an killed the now unarmed good Samaritan. Rare I know, but possible.

I sure don't mean to preach that my way is right and everyone else is wrong. Just explaining my rationale for always carrying a reload, whether a mag for an auto or speed strips for my wheelie.:balloon:

[DSJohnson]

Phaedrus,
Very reasonable logic. Thank you.

[Phaedrus]

I keep my spare mag at 10:30-11:00 on my belt in a horizontal mag pouch. If it's my Nano I have a mag in a SHTF Gear Horizontal Mag Pouch. If it's one of my HKs I have a Safariland 123. Cool thing is that the P30, P2000, USPc, P30L and VP9 can all use the same mag. So I never have to swap out mags unless I'm carrying a wheelgun or the Beretta Nano. The ammo gets carried for a few months then replaced. The stuff I take out gets burned up at the range. If I'm carrying a 9mm it's generally loaded with Federal HST (usually 147gr +P but sometimes 124gr if that's what I can find).

It's a bit beyond the scope of the question but I'll usually have a high powered tactical light on me as well. And as a South Dakotan raised out on a ranch I'd never think of leaving the house w/o a knife!

[Phaedrus]

BTW, I kind of misread the OP a bit. I took it to mean how many round on you more than being specific to 1911 mags. When I carried a 1911 it was a Colt Commander in .38 Super. Most people think ".45ACP" when they think 1911 but in reality the Super goes back to near the beginning of that design. I have had 1911's in .45 ACP but never carried one concealed. In the Super I carried all that would fit in the mag, cocked-and-locked. Back in those days (late 80's/early 90's) I didn't always carry a spare mag.

I wouldn't pay much attention to the old military protocol for carrying the 1911. After all, do you really want to CCW with no round in the chamber? Modern magazines run fine fully loaded. Well, maybe not all mags but I have zero use for any mag that doesn't work. I number all my pistol mags as a rule, and if I have issues with a mag I correct it or bite the bullet and discard that mag. Basically all of my mags for all my guns work at full capacity with one exception- a couple of my very old mags for my Browning Hi-Power will only hold 12 rounds. The SAS carried with just twelve on account of that issue.

Aside from the one incident I mentioned about I've never heard a verified story of a civilian (non-LEO) that died because his mag ran dry. I do know of a woman that shot a home invader in the face with all six rounds from her old .38 with RN lead bullets. All six were solid hits but skidded around the big bones of the face and exited the scalp at the back of the head w/o penetrating the skull. He actually fled and made it to his truck- cops caught him some distance away. She was very lucky as she had no reload on her. The bad guy got the message that he was unwelcome but it could have gone much worse.

I am personally confident in the 9mm. In my life I've carried 9mm, .38 Super, .40 cal and .45 ACP, and sometimes a .357 Mag or .38 Special. Statistically I think all modern handgun rounds are pretty close to the same because they're all engineered to the exact same standard and have been since the ill fated Miami Shootout decades ago. While there does seem to be a slight edge to .45 ACP. Police officer and trainer Greg Ellifritz compiled a pretty good body of police shooting results; based on a large number of shootings it took 2.2 shots on average to stop a suspect with a 9mm vs 2.1 shots for the .45 ACP. An edge but slight, and in my mind offset by the fact that I can stuff twice as many in the gun with the nine.

And the .45 ACP is no death ray. Handguns generally aren't. You may have read about the cop that put three mags of .45 ACP from his full sized Glock into a suspect! IIRC about a dozen rounds that weren't survivable hit the perp but he continued to fight on. Towards the end of the gun battle and down to the last few rounds in his last mag the cop managed to slow down and put two in the suspect's head. Even then he was still alive when they both got to the hospital! Sobering indeed. Also sobering was that the officer had an AR in the trunk but no opportunity to get to it. When a fight begins it will probably be concluded with what you have on your at the time. What did the old civil war general say? The winner was whoever got there the fustest with the mostest.

It's not a likely thing to get in a protracted gun battle, for a regular guy at least. But every round on my person is another option and another second or two I can potentially hang in a fight.

Again, I have no problem if someone else chooses not to carry spare ammo. My choice is just based on what makes me feel comfortable.

[Rick]

Aside from the one incident I mentioned about I've never heard a verified story of a civilian (non-LEO) that died because his mag ran dry. I do know of a woman that shot a home invader in the face with all six rounds from her old .38 with RN lead bullets. All six were solid hits but skidded around the big bones of the face and exited the scalp at the back of the head w/o penetrating the skull. He actually fled and made it to his truck- cops caught him some distance away. She was very lucky as she had no reload on her. The bad guy got the message that he was unwelcome but it could have gone much worse.

Now this is just me, mind you, and I'm not one to be breaking into other peoples' homes, but if one round went through my face, skittered around my head bone and came out the back side I would probably be pretty quick to assess my company was no longer required. I'm pretty certain the other five would not be necessary. But, as I said, that's just me.

[kyratshooter]

The shooting literature is filled with these incidents where someone bounced uncounted numbers of each and every caliber off their noggin and kept moving right along.

The stories are as numerous as those one can find where a 450 pound guerilla was stopped by one shot from a .22lr and the true fact that the worlds largest Kodiak Bear was killed with a .22 short!

We had people back in 1900 shooting cattle in the slaughter houses and shooting hanging pig carcasses and measuring the depth of penetration and target reaction and today we have people shooting blocks of jello and advising on minimum standards that seem more ridiculous than one could imagine. And after watching countless videos of that act with a variety of calibers and gauges I am now quite sure one can come to any conclusion they wish to reach and have valid data to back their choices, whatever they are.

I can not speak for any use but my own and I can assure you that on any given day a couple of great big guys, and it would take two, were to turn me upside down and shake me, there might fall to the ground a wide variety of hardware in an equally assorted variety of calibers.

Most of my decisions are not based on caliber as much as they are based on the size of the pistol, which is in turn decided by what my purpose and clothing will be for the given point in time.

I am blessed to live in a time when there are a whole bunch of little bitty .380 autos, and full power 9mm pistols as small as the .380 used to be! And there are beautiful snub nosed revolvers at reasonable prices and so many service pistols in so many calibers. And they are all shooting better bullets than have ever been available.

I do not care what anyone carries as long as they buy lots of them, stack their ammo deep and high and cast their votes in a manner that insures we all get to keep whatever "invalid choice" we make.

[Rick]

I'm thinking if a Kodiak goes down with a .22 short it's either a real wuss or that's the unluckiest day a Kodiak ever had. Yeah, I know. Shot placement.

[crashdive123]

Sounds like a Kodiak moment.

[kyratshooter]

https://lockerdome.com/6387814094880833/7160221516829972

I remember reading the story in one of the old outdoor magazines back when I was a kid. It seems this Indian woman, named Bella Twin, and a friend were hunting a clear cut for birds with a .22 and saw the griz top the hill a couple of hundred yards away. It was walking straight down the cut toward them but there was a cross wind and they thought it might go off track before reaching their position. They got a few yards off the cut and waited.

The bear did not change course an as soon as it smelled their scent it stood on its hind legs to look around. Bella knew that the bear would come after them since the big bears always track down women.

As soon as the bear came into view Bella got it in her sights and as soon as it stood she popped it in the temple with a .22 long cartridge from just a few yards away. It dropped dead n the spot but she put 7 or 8 more shots into its skull just to be sure.

She claimed she was as shocked as anyone else at killing the bear with a .22 and had expected to be killed and eaten anyway, so why not take the shot.

[Phaedrus]

That was the biggest bear ever taken well into the modern age! That girl got pretty lucky. I first remember reading her story when I was a young boy back in the 70's. Put right into brain pan through the roof of the mouth a humble .22 bullet will kill pretty much any terrestrial predator currently on Earth.

As CCW goes we're in a golden age of sorts. I don't recall when CCW was made legal in my state but I had a permit already in the late 80's. CCW is possible now in every state in the US (theoretically- pretty hard to get one in HI) and there are tons of very good very small sidearms.

[Phaedrus]

I can not speak for any use but my own and I can assure you that on any given day a couple of great big guys, and it would take two, were to turn me upside down and shake me, there might fall to the ground a wide variety of hardware in an equally assorted variety of calibers.

Most of my decisions are not based on caliber as much as they are based on the size of the pistol, which is in turn decided by what my purpose and clothing will be for the given point in time.



That's my take, too. I personally think the .380 ACP is marginal for CCW but I would absolutely take one over harsh language! Marginal doesn't mean ineffective by any means. I'd rather have a .38 Special or 9mm but as you say, any gun on you beats any gun you have at home in the safe. I've been mulling over the purchase of a Ruger LCP for those rare situations where it's a tiny gun or no gun at all. Loaded with the new Federal HST round it would probably be a pretty decent option. Certainly it would be a good backup.

[kyratshooter]

Based on my activities and where I live my P3AT has become as much a pocket companion as my pocket knife, keys and wallet. It has become one of the things I carry 24/7.

It is small enough to fit in the front pocket without drawing notice, still packs a wallop and holds 7 rounds. The last time I forgot to drop it into my pocket when I walked out the door I opened the chicken house door expecting to gather eggs and found a big old 'possum! I was slapping every pocket I had looking for my pistol and finally ran back up the hill feeling like an idiot for not having it.

I do trade it for a heavier caliber in winter, when penetration of heavy coats might be required in my area, but what I trade it for is still comparatively small, and my own coat either has larger pockets or covers the bigger pistol better.

Plus, us old men wear baggy stuff anyway. Plenty of ways to cover a 2" snub nosed revolver in winter. Suspenders are also a big help!

[natertot]

My regular carry is a Ruger LC380 which is a hair larger than the LCP. Holds eight rounds and fits into cargo pockets and iwb without a problem during warm months. The .380 isn't a great round (no surprise, it is just a scaled down .45) but I can attest it does work. I put down a severely injuried dear with .380. Two shots and she was at peace. I can't imagine a human target would be such a different outcome.

The point of having something on you rather kept at home has alot of merit. If size wasn't a factor, we wouldn't even be talking about pistols! The key is carry what you feel comfortable wearing and confident using. A .22 in the pocket is better than a .45 in the drawer is a common saying for a reason.

[Rick]

fits into cargo pockets and iwb without a problem

(Sigh) Some of us are lucky to get ourselves inside the waistband. On the upside, you can have your tent and pants made at the same place.

[Batch]

I have a co-worker who bought a LCP .380 about a year ago and then saw a Taurus Curve at a gun show and ordered one. His range report said that he had a hard time hitting anything with the LCP. But, the Curve was easy for him to hit the target.

He is about 6'3" and at the higher end of the 200's in weight. He has some big hands and liked the way the Curve felt in his hands.

One thing though, he is retired Coast Guard. He claims to have qualified expert with a shotgun, M-16, and a 1911. But, he crossed his thumbs on that curve and got a case of slide bite! Expert on an auto pistol and you don't know not to cross your thumbs? LOL

[NightSG]

Wolff mag springs for the 1911 are $18 for a 3 pack. If you're worried about the springs, change them every year for less than the price of a box of practice ammo. Beats the heck out of being a round or two per mag short when you need it.

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