Stages of survival?

[finallyME]

Are there stages of someone getting into the whole survival/bushcraft/prepper lifestyle? I know some of you are going to jump in and say those are three completely different areas....and you would be right. But beginners don't know that. They think it is all one and eventually find out if they like any or one in particular..


So my question....what are the stages that we either see in others...or ourselves? Rick says he is DONE, has enough food/supplies. Newbies always come on here with the ROTTW mentality. That seems to be the first stage. What are the others?

[Rick]

I don't think I ever had any stages. I never wanted to run of to the wilderness. I never wanted bug out property. I've never believed in dooms day, end of the world or collapse of society. I accept that anything is possible but most of it is not very likely. I've always been more concerned about weather and some man made events (meth lab, train derailment, factory accident kind of stuff). I think there are others on here that feel the same way. So I guess it's an individual thing.

[natertot]

For me, I didn't get into the prepper mentality until almost four years ago after I severely injured myself, but has evolved from my youth.

I grew up camping, hiking, hunting and fishing. This expanded into what many call bushcraft in my teen years. Really, I just wanted to see how much I could "rough it". From that, I have pressed any and all camping gear into service for emergencies and now I acquire more here and there for the family. After I got hurt, I started taking first aid training more serious and started stocking a lot of basic first aid supplies. This has come in handy for the entire family from minor cuts and scraps to getting by for the weekend to make it to the doctor. Even KyRat met up with me last month for a weekend camp where another buddy of mine cut himself. Out came the first aid kit and camp continued! I am also a tinkerer by nature and acquire tools and parts from all that which has come in handy and can be pressed into service if needed. This included plumbing to electrical and carpentry to welding. I also tinker with guns and reloading, although I can't compare to KyRat on that subject! A few years ago, I have started to stockpile food and started learning some food preservation practices.

Long story short, I live life and pick up stuff along the way that would prepare me and my family for emergencies. I focus more on natural disasters, loss of utilities, and small bouts of civil unrest. Those three things tend to be the most common. The only large scale thing that concerns me is war on U.S. soil. I really wouldn't be surprised if one arrived in the next 5-10 years.

[kyratshooter]

There was a time when I was a doomsday prepper, but that was before they called them doomsday preppers. We were survivalists back then, but the media did a real number on that term.

I must say that I left that realm of thought when I realized the long term food supplies I had purchased because the world was surely going to end at any moment went past their 30 year shelf life. The food was out of date and the world was still here, WTH they told me I needed this stuff!!!!

The charlatans that advocate that lifestyle and strip folks of their money are as pitiful as televangelists offering Gods rewards for your contributions. They are still spouting out the panic laden warnings. The same people with the same message. All they did was change the color of the cover of the book they wrote back in 1975.

Same social warnings,
Same financial warnings,
Same government warnings (but that one has been a close run thing).

My concerns gravitated back to what started my path into preparedness, weather disasters, natural disorders and regional collapse of the grid. Those are things I have seen and have lived through, and due to my skills and equipment I was ready to cope with.

I must admit that I have more stored food than the average person, but that has always been something my family did. I have also seen trucker strikes that stripped supermarket shelves for weeks and periods if sudden unemployment. (Unusual for a teacher but they closed my school!)

I no longer have to worry about unemployment, but if someone gets really mad as my conservative rhetoric and shuts down my pension I can eat for a while.

I live on a "homestead" because I have come to love the rural lifestyle and enjoy keeping critters and having access to open land.

The outdoor stuff is recreation. I just enjoy doing it. I enjoy collecting the gizmos and teaching other people how to be comfortable in the woods.

The guns and knives??? Well those are my contribution to posterity. I have to leave the kids something to fight over when I die.

[crashdive123]

I've never gone through the ROTTW or dooms day phases either. My preparations have always been focused on what I have prioritized as most likely, with weather related events being at the top of the list. Over the years as I have expanded my list I have found that most of my previous preps have covered most other scenarios. Sure, there are some additions or deletions for some preps - terrorism being one of them (live in close proximity to three military bases and and NFL stadium) but for the most part things were covered.

[hunter63]

Hard to keep up with the terminology....back in the '70 and '80's....It was Homesteading....Mother Earth News, Back to the Land, doin' for your self, with the goal self sufficiency, along with hunting fishing and camping.....

This is a extension of my folks and GP's living thru a depression and a WWII, in a small town with gardening, food processing, hunting for food..... all the other skills I was brought up with........and of course putting food by...

So it was natural to want my own "Place" in the country, so the Homestead became a BOL....purchase and work began.

Preparing for any possible problems financially.....came about in 1999...Factory closed, both DW and I were laid off.....51 and unemployed......kinda scary.

But by having "Prepped" (new term)....we not only got by, but expanded our horizons....returning to school, changing careers, and pressing on....and so far worked out.

Not gonna head for the hills unless I want to....but "The Place" it's there.

So too old and need too many meds, to RATTW ......gonna just keep, keeping on......

BTW, all this stuff is a great reason to buy toys, tools, and gear........Prepping.....You see.

[Rick]

Oh, yeah. I do appreciate the reasoning behind all of it. How else can you justify so many guns in so many calibers? Zombies, Roaming Hordes, Aliens, Atomic Spiders, Invading Armies. "Yeah, but honey, think of the kids. Atomic Spiders. You want them to be eaten alive?!"

[randyt]

atomic spiders? did somebody say 50 BMG?

[natertot]

Oh, yeah. I do appreciate the reasoning behind all of it. How else can you justify so many guns in so many calibers? Zombies, Roaming Hordes, Aliens, Atomic Spiders, Invading Armies. "Yeah, but honey, think of the kids. Atomic Spiders. You want them to be eaten alive?!"

Mrs. Tot doesn't seem to mind these excuses! Don't forget government robots!

[Rick]

'Zactly. They love us. Or at least pretend to so no matter how lame the excuse they usually let it go. Besides, they know if we spend $500 for a gun that equals $1000 shopping for them. So......Besides, their excuse is always, "It was on sale". How lame is that?

[pete lynch]

My preps, if you even want to call them that, are mostly along the lines seeing it through a natural or man-made disaster.
My survival skills are for going out into the wilderness and being able to get back in one piece.

[TXyakr]

I don't know about stages but my contention or theory has always been that many of the skills a person learns "surviving" or just camping, primitively or whatever in the wilderness can help them live in suburbia if conditions deteriorated for whatever reasons. I have observed over the decades that there is far more small game and even fish in most suburban and even big city neighborhoods than most wilderness areas for many reasons. If necessary I know were several hundred pounds of beaver and nutria can be trapped within Dallas County and also surrounding counties where much more is available including suburban deer that most people have no idea is there because they don't hike and paddle in these urban areas, especially after heavy rains. Also more water and trees (fuel) etc. I sure as heck hope most of the population runs to the wilderness. ;-) I'll stay were the food and water is and use my wilderness skills here. There is a lot of briar and poison ivy infested brush along most of the creeks and rivers near most large and small towns and I know how to stay hidden there for a few days or longer if needed. Occasionally at group campouts people come to visit where I have hung my hammock and curse up and down at all the briars they get suck on, but I know exactly were to step even barefooted. North American forests are super friendly compared to the Amazon river valley. But it is best just to stay in your home and defend it from fire, flood (have over 100 sand bags etc.), and people who may think it is abandoned if no lights are on. My wife and kids have gone to a motel when the AC failed in Texas during mid August but I stay, I have camped in far worse and know how to adapt to it. My mother was telling me just yesterday that she took some summer graduate classes at University of Oklahoma in Norman back after WWII and the old army style dorms did not have AC, the temps often were not under 90F all night, her roommate from Switzerland almost did not make it, she would get up in the middle of the night to take a cold shower. Life without comforts of modern civilized society are more difficult for some people. Better to take a hammock and hang it under some deciduous trees down by the pond where the wind blows, sleep there. ha ha ha

Absolute worst thing about staying in an urban area if things fell apart for a long time is that the water would be badly contaminated so a very good water purification system for chemicals, viruses, and everything else is extremely important! Many plants and fish take up chemicals pollutions that are not as big a problem in organized society, but would be if the controls such as they are were no longer in place. (Sort of like in Haiti, China and other parts of the world.)

[Sarge47]

Like Kyrat we have more food than the normal person. However it's not because we fear TEOTWAWKI! It's because of something that really happened to us years ago. I was between jobs and we literally ran out of food. I don't remember the reason the government employee gave me but we couldn't get food stamps and we ran completely out of food in the house. If not for some caring relatives I don't know what we'd have done. I didn't even have a vehicle to get out and fish or hunt! That ain't ever going to happen again. On the "prepper" side of things we look at what really can happen to us. A short while back I had to do some fast talking to get back to my home through a police barricade. Seems like there'd been a report of a man with a gun in my neighborhood! As I pulled up to the house I saw two police SUVS that were used by K-9 cops. the guard outside my digs was armed with an M-16! They found the guy okay, a returning vet that was still having issues based on what he'd been through over there and they got him talked down. A half a mile away there is a railroad line that allows many trains to go past, some with suspicious cargo. With all of the rain we've been getting there has been a lot of flooding. these problems are probably not going to make the next episode of Doomsday Preppers, but are the more realistic problems that we're prepared for. As for the guns, well, there was this terrible canoe accident...:cowboy:

[finallyME]

So, are people that go through the ROTTW phase just a flash in the pan? I see a lot of people here that seem to be (not you guys specifically). If someone asks about ROTTW, it seems that either they never come back, or they change their mind. My family has been putting food up for years without any other thought towards prepping. They will continue food preps no matter what else they do or don't do. But that is more religious based than anything else. I went through the ROTTW phase, but I did it when I was 12 and 13. By the time I was 16 or 17, I had changed my mind....mostly due to the opposite sex.

[kyratshooter]

really can not find fault with some of the "doomsday perppers", especially the older group. I can well remember the Cuban Missile Crisis and the feeling of impending doom.

We were all going to die. Everyone was just waiting for the Russians to press the button and we were quite sure they would.

No one was prepared for a nuclear war. No one knew how to prepare. No one knew if you could survive a nuclear war.

While the "Crisis" was still going on people started building bomb shelters, stockpiling food, gathering information....

I still remember my own parents attitude, "If its our time its our time, I wouldn't want to live in the rubble anyway."

So, the first exposure to "prepping" some of us ever had was to the full blown doomsday experience which was divided into two camps; those who bent over an kissed their butts goodbye, and those who sealed themselves into a bunker willing to face the ruined earth a month latter. Not much in between ground in that scenario.

And keep in mind that the cold war lasted until 1989. While some of you were not born in 1989 some of us were grown men with families and had grown up, married and raised families under the threat of the mushroom cloud.

And with our latest government deals we will probably get to die under a mushroom cloud.

It ain't over yet.

[hunter63]

So, are people that go through the ROTTW phase just a flash in the pan? I see a lot of people here that seem to be (not you guys specifically). If someone asks about ROTTW, it seems that either they never come back, or they change their mind. My family has been putting food up for years without any other thought towards prepping. They will continue food preps no matter what else they do or don't do. But that is more religious based than anything else. I went through the ROTTW phase, but I did it when I was 12 and 13. By the time I was 16 or 17, I had changed my mind....mostly due to the opposite sex.

I think a lot fo ROTTW that come on here are just looking for attention.

Otherwise why would you use a device, to get on the web, then register to tell a bunch of strangers, that they are fed up with the world of people, and want to ran away and live off the grid....with their big azz knife.

Then argue with anyone that says "Are you really sure you want to do this?"

So, just GO. Already....even the biggest rock thrown in the lake, will only leave ripples for a short time.
Good luck with that.

I worry about and take care of myself, and family....that's a pretty big job all by it self......even with out a Red Dawn or Zombies.

[kyratshooter]

As for stages of survival and the mention of Red Dawn,

How many of us are no longer among the fantasy fighters and have more resemblance to the old granddad of the two girls, passing out .45 Colt reloads and sage advice.

[natertot]

Kyrat, I agree with you a lot. While I am not about the doomsday preppers, war is something that I fear continually lurks around the corner and I agree with you thoughts on "current gubment deals". Funny you mention red dawn and "fantasy fighters". My plan is hunker down, keep the family safe and cared for, and keep in strong contact with family and friends. Outside of that, I would only pull together with others I trust to pull off any crazy stunts that have a fool proof method to get away with it. Other than that, I will only take care of targets of opportunity that will not result in consequence. Those have always been my thoughts to a very narrow degree. Reality will change some thoughts, this is unavoidable.

[MrFixIt]

Interesting discussion.
Like others, I was raised to put food and supplies by for the "hard" times, or if an ice storm knocked out the power for a few days, or if a tornado came through (and one did destroy my parents house in '84).
In 1999, when the end of the world was going to happen, my mom kinda freaked out and started hording canned food, toilet paper, etc.
I myself have had "survival" training in the military, but it was more geared to getting away/out of enemy territory.
I now prep for natural disasters in my area, other than that, I like to go out into the woods to have a good time and unwind.

[Seniorman]

I know what "TEOTWAWKI" and "SHTF" mean, but "ROTTW"???? What does that acronym mean?

S.M.

[hunter63]

Run off to the wilderness......we kinda made it up, to be able to label noobie's that want to do that, instead od saying "Dumas"...as in Dum azz.

[kyratshooter]

I know what "TEOTWAWKI" and "SHTF" mean, but "ROTTW"???? What does that acronym mean?

S.M.

Yep, what Hunter said.

They generally come in four flavors;

1. I am 14 years old and read the book hatchet. My parents are driving me crazy and I hate the world, so where can I go do that.

2. I am about to graduate HS and my parents say "get a job or get out", I hate the world, so where is one of those places where I can live in the woods?

3. I am about to graduate college with an art history degree and I have a billion dollars in student loans to pay off and I hate the world. Where can I go live in my tent until the feds stop looking for me?

4. I got fired, the wife left me, the dog bit me, the kids are calling someone else daddy and there is a warrant out for non payment of child support. I hate the world. Where can I find free land to homestead where there are no cops.

[crashdive123]

I know what "TEOTWAWKI" and "SHTF" mean, but "ROTTW"???? What does that acronym mean?

S.M.

Running Off To The Woods.

Those that want to ditch society for one reason or another and live alone in the woods. Of course, they have never spent a night under the stars, but romanticize about doing it for the rest of their lives.

[Rick]

I don't recall my parents being too concerned about Cuba. Perhaps they were and just didn't let on. But they had lived through the Depression, WWII, McCarthyism, the Edsel, Uncle Charlie's revolving stay at "they farm" (hint, hint) and Uncle Fred fightin' the commies in Korea. By the time Cuba rolled around they pretty much figured it was just one more drop of rain in the squall. My explicit instructions on how to duck and cover probably put their minds at ease I'm sure. One of the guys I worked with was a squid on a sub holding the blockade. He said they were exciting times or similar such words. The software will block it if I repeat what he said.

[Seniorman]

Thanks, gentlemen. I'll have to remember that. Gotta stay current with the Internet acronyms. :thumbup1:

S.M.

[WalkingTree]

I often think in terms of so-called "primitive" approaches. But this isn't to shun having and using anything "modern". It is instead for the purpose of trying to figure out how to do something if lacking the relevant modern equipment or method. Ideally, such knowledge and skills would be in addition to having and employing modern approaches and tools. I wouldn't consider saying "just pull out the lighter or just pitch the tent" to be any good by itself. What good are you if you don't have the lighter, packaged food, propane stove, water treatment tabs, etc, or when that stuff runs out and you can't buy more, and you don't know what to do beyond that? So, in my case, it's not to limit myself to all things primitive just for the jolly of it, but in order to have more ability than "just go buy this and that at a store".

And then, considering prepping...I'm of a creative problem-solving mindset and use any excuse to ask "what would I do?", so while watching a preppers t.v. show even though a post-apocalypse isn't something that I think about a lot at all, it's an excuse to think about how I would solve such a problem anyway. I considered the fact that I'm not able to build a bunker somewhere or store up supplies...so this led me to the conclusion of being able to do without such things (also thinking about when such supplies run out or are stolen or a bunker is successfully besieged), which leads right to primitive wilderness survival as a base despite other technological luxuries that might exist, even if the wilderness is of the urban variety.

But then in addition to all that, when dreaming about living out in the wild long term (even if I'll never do so or be able to)...being able to do things primitively and without modern supply and equipment is not for any romance or ideological shunning of all things modern. It is instead about a certain liberation and enablement - If I were to actually do that at all, part of the whole idea is to be far away from any store and to not ever have to get to one. Relying on modern approaches ties one to having to eventually leave the wilderness and visit modern civilization. Even when people just talk about going off-the-grid I speak of primitive wilderness survival...because otherwise you're still on some grid, just by having to use money and legal land ownership for example. Not that this is all something that I think should be done or I'll be able to do, but just that that's my purpose of thinking of things from a 'primitive' starting standpoint.

And btw...if the general populace is prepped in various ways, then a Red Dawn type of scenario could be handled much better...despite any other reasons why people prep. And oh - when stocking firearms and ammo, don't forget the explosives. The need for various explosives in real situations seems to be under-mentioned. I'm not going to get pinned or stalemated by the rain or overwhelmed by superior numbers...I'm breaking out some explosives and solve that problem right quick.

[Davidlastink]

Hmmm...

city folk
Hiker
Camper
Minor Emergency prepper(bob in car in case have to hike out of a locale, which everyone should have)
Major emergency prepper(Preps in house for a week in case of disaster, which everyone should have)
Long haul Prepper
Homesteader/ Wildman(woman)

This all runs on a sliding scale and there are variations within from those who bug out to those to Bug in etc. However the final step is being as close to off the grid as possible in today's world. I think many of us here fall between Major Emergency and Long Haul, none of us are at the far end of the spectrum, least not that i am aware of.

ROTTW noob is someone who is your average city folk, never seen nature outside of a city park, but has the idea they can jump right to Wildman or homesteader with out a few years of learning and hands on training.

[Rick]

The need for various explosives in real situations seems to be under-mentioned.

The reason is unless you are AOW licensed or FEL licensed (depending on what you have) and meet all the FEL requirements then it is considered illegal. I'm sure there are state specific requirements as well, again, depending on the device. I doubt very many on here have the licenses.

[Wildthang]

Here are some of the stages I have observed with a couple of my friends that suddenly decided that they needed to become a survivalist, or whatever you want to call it:

1. I talk to them about needing wilderness survival skills and why I think it is important to have basic skills!
2. I talk to them about being prepared and having recourses in case of emergencies, natural disaster etc!

Then this is what happened!
1. They joined some whacked out dooms day forum!
2. They spent hundreds of dollars on a Bob!
3. They bought way too many guns and way too much ammo, ( still haven't shot the guns yet.......LOL)
4. They both bought Rambo hollow handle knives..........OMG!
5. They now wear camo clothes everywhere they go except the office!
6. They maxed out 2 credit cards buying dehydrated food!
7. They both start planning out the perfect underground bunker!

Then wife starts to get concerned / mad

1. They stop buying all of that survival tactical stuff!
2, They quit wearing camo
3. I tell them that they are going way overboard!
4. I show them what a real bushcraft knife looks like!
5. I tell them that most of the stuff in their $900 Bobs is not necessary
6. I show them what I carry in my Bob
7. I try to convince them that American Preppers is just a little out there and they don't need to be quite that prepared!
8. I explain the difference in bushcraft and being a dyed in the wool survivalist tin foil hat type freak!
9. They finally get it and start learning skills and essentials
10. Their wives now hate me and blame me for their craze into the world of tin foil hat survival!
11. All I did was tell them about bushcraft and being prepared for disasters.............WTH

[randyt]

we're all survivors and then one day we're not

[hunter63]

we're all survivors and then one day we're not

Yes....But we get more toys.....

BTW WT...#3. Too many guns.......No such thing.

[Rick]

I guess the stages of survival, if you're lucky enough, is someone cares for you. You care for yourself. Someone cares for you. Death. I'm on the edge between I care for myself and someone cares for me. Frankly, I'm getting tired of cleaning up after myself.

[Seniorman]

WILDTHANG - " ... 4. They both bought Rambo hollow handle knives..........OMG! ..."

Well, if they were either Chris Reeve, Bob Parrish, Jimmy Lyle, or Randall hollow handled knives, they're in good shape. :laugh:

S.M.

[NightSG]

I don't know about stages but my contention or theory has always been that many of the skills a person learns "surviving" or just camping, primitively or whatever in the wilderness can help them live in suburbia if conditions deteriorated for whatever reasons. I have observed over the decades that there is far more small game and even fish in most suburban and even big city neighborhoods than most wilderness areas for many reasons. If necessary I know were several hundred pounds of beaver and nutria can be trapped within Dallas County and also surrounding counties where much more is available including suburban deer that most people have no idea is there because they don't hike and paddle in these urban areas, especially after heavy rains.

I almost ran over two coyotes near Forest and Hillcrest once, and the biggest crowd of raccoons I've ever seen in one place was under the Roma's Pizza back deck on Greenville across from Presbyterian Hospital.
I spent a couple unemployed months living off pecans and fish caught on a handline along the White Rock Trail while working odd jobs and fishing through trash cans for lottery scratch offs (Got a bus driver hooked on that after I pulled a $70 and a $100 winner in the same week from the same can - people just don't get the rules of some of them, I guess, and throw away good winners accidentally, or $1-5 winners intentionally because they're too lazy to go back and cash them. Ran into him on a visit a couple years ago and he said he'd made an extra couple hundred a month by taking his breaks at the stop by that can and going through the tickets.) to keep the rent paid.


My wife and kids have gone to a motel when the AC failed in Texas during mid August but I stay, I have camped in far worse and know how to adapt to it.

A damp shemagh is an amazing thing in the heat. Last month, I killed 4 hours (1100-1500, so about as bad as it gets for heat) at Arbor Hills Nature Preserve in weather too hot for any but the most adapted, while wearing jeans, a long sleeve shirt and a straw cowboy hat. After about an hour of hiking and sucking three water bottles dry, I remembered the shemagh in the BoB, wet it and my shirt sleeves down at the fountain, wrapped my head, and was pretty darn comfy for the rest of the afternoon. Sure, I had to call around to some friends in the area and find one to let me shower before the dance that night, but no heat exhaustion.


My mother was telling me just yesterday that she took some summer graduate classes at University of Oklahoma in Norman back after WWII and the old army style dorms did not have AC, the temps often were not under 90F all night, her roommate from Switzerland almost did not make it, she would get up in the middle of the night to take a cold shower.

During my pecan months, the electric bill was one of the first luxuries to go. (I could charge my cell phone in the car when I had gas money, or in the workout room of the apartment complex when I didn't.) Pecan season is a little cooler than August, but not always. Overnight lows were still in the 80s, so a cold shower in the morning got rid of the sweat and would usually keep me reasonably comfortable until I got into the A/C at wherever I was applying or interviewing that day. Afterward I'd head to the library or the Medallion Theatre ($2 movies and ice cold A/C) until it cooled off enough to go scavenge pecans or fish.


Absolute worst thing about staying in an urban area if things fell apart for a long time is that the water would be badly contaminated so a very good water purification system for chemicals, viruses, and everything else is extremely important!

I guess I'm spoiled; my BOL is great granddad's former farm and nursery. 400+ acres still held by family (been split up among cousins, but we all still roam each other's sections freely) with ~20 acres of pecan trees, tons of plum, pear, apricot and persimmon trees that have gone volunteer for 60 years now, blackberry thickets, and still tons of completely wild edibles, plus a fair amount of game and a couple of stock tanks that rarely go completely dry. Bad water (upper Paluxy "aquifer;" I suspect that if the irrigation wells to it stop drawing so much, it will re-stabilize as a reliable source, and it's good enough for cattle, so can be boiled safe and/or acclimated to over time) at 30-35', and the old hand dug well collapsed below 20', so could be reworked with a lot less effort than starting from scratch when the gas runs out for the generator on the 350' well to Trinity aquifer.

Looking at a road map from the 1920s, it's easy to see why the family is only a couple generations removed from serious "prepping" as a way of life: all the roads stopped at the creeks. If a creek was up, you weren't getting to any of the towns nearby until it went down enough to cross, and you weren't restocking more than you could carry 8-10 miles on your back until it was down enough for the Model A pickup to cross. (I remember one of the aunts telling of a year when they finally broke down and took the mule to town for salt and sugar because the water was still too deep for the truck after two months of wet weather. There was a small boat at the deepest crossing rigged with ropes so they could get the sacks across dry while the mule had to be led through water up to its withers with a lot of effort.) Even mom still keeps 6 weeks (without serious rationing or supplementing through hunting or gardening) worth of regular food on hand, plus a couple bulk sacks of rice and beans.


I now prep for natural disasters in my area, other than that, I like to go out into the woods to have a good time and unwind.

This; we've had flash floods take out a couple of bridges and cut off one of two direct routes to town for a couple weeks in the last few years. We've also had wildfires block all the routes at once for a day or two; it was still possible to go to other towns, but the next WalMart or HEB would have been an hour's drive accounting for the detours. Tornadoes are an annual event; though I don't recall the last one that took out a bridge or left debris blocking roads beyond a couple hours, it certainly possible. There are several places in town where roads will be shut down by floods, sometimes for days, nearly every year despite being in the "50 year flood plain." (I'm not even 40, and I can clearly remember seeing part of the "100 year flood plain" chest deep three times in my life.) The main routes stay passable, but some neighborhoods get cut off until the water goes down.

[Rick]

A damp shemagh is an amazing thing in the heat.

There are some truly amazing products on the market that work on the evaporative principle. I have a Mission Endura Cool towel that works as you described. The nice thing about it is once it warms up you just snap it again and it starts cooling again. Lots of brand names on the market and lots of shapes and sizes to choose from.

[hayshaker]

mutant seamonkeys due to fukushima sea monkeys are a real threat
i read it on the internet it's gotta be true ya know you bettcha.

[WY21lmb]

Rick, I was in high school during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The County Civil defense Coordinator handed out various plans for fallout shelters at school. We had a basement in our farm house, and had everything we needed on the farm to quickly construct a shelter in that basement. We could put the cattle in the barn, but the problem for us would have been the trip there and back to feed them. Being used to blizzards that lasted a week and another week till the roads were open, we had enough food canned, et cetera, to last through a couple of them, so that was covered. Were we concerned about the nukes falling? Yes. Was there anything special we did different? No. In college, one of my roommates was a Marine that served stateside during that crisis. He said the first thing they did was sharpen their bayonets. Then they cleaned their weapons again. Then they sharpened everything that had and edge. Then they started all over again. He said it was good that the crisis did not last longer, they were losing a lot of metal on those edged objects!

[Phaedrus]

I think that most TEOTWAWKI preps are simultaneously paranoid and naive. As KYRATSHOOTER points out it's the same fear rewrapped in a different book cover. The most paranoid of peppers underestimate the resilience of society while others overestimating their ability to survive indefinitely with their preps. And some things you can't realistically prepare for. For example, if the Yellowstone caldera explodes and you're in Wyoming your beans, rice and ammo isn't going to help much.

I try to prepare for stuff that actually tends to happen around here - blizzards, tornadoes, power outages due to thunderstorms, etc. Having food and water on hand makes sense on many levels.

[Rick]

I think I've pretty much got it all figured out. If anything serious happens I'll be a casualty and the rest of society will step over me. Of course, if that happens I'm counting on coming back as a zombie so.......

[hunter63]

I fear running out of beer waiting in the lawn chair.....That would seriously suck.

[kyratshooter]

I fear the icecream machine at McDonalds going out of order.

Happened last week, didn't think I was going to make it!

[hunter63]

What?.....OMG...no afternoon small Geezer cone for $.52 cents?

We have two more McD's with-in a couple of miles......

[Wise Old Owl]

Someone offered a dime for my thoughts recently... I asked.. that wonderful, do you need change? Damn that's funny...

[hunter63]

Someone offered a dime for my thoughts recently... I asked.. that wonderful, do you need change? Damn that's funny...

That is funny.....

Yeah, well all prices are going up...used to be a penny....LOL.

[Auban]

i dont know what the stages might be, but i think Rick is right about the last stage being someone caring for you when you cannot care for your self.

my wifes grandparents seem to be big on that. her grandfather has spent the last 70 years acquiring more and more property. they now have over a thousand acres with a non seasonal creek running through it. there are also several ponds, an old saw mill, and a gold mine. its all one contiguous piece of land. they grow corn and other crops on a couple hundred acres, but leave most of it forested. the most brilliant thing they have done, in my opinion, is invite family members to live on their property. there is a now a decent sized community living on a five acre clearing. my wifes grandfather doesnt have to do anything he does not want to, he is the patriarch that owns the land they live on. they even have quite few steam powered engines so that they can still operate without gas or diesel if they have to. and you better believe that they have guns...

in a SHTF scenario, you can bet thats where i am going. they have already told me that my family is all welcome there. we all contribute to my wifes grandparents estate. its a community, and i cant think of a better long term survival plan than to integrate into a strong community. besides, we are only about ten miles away from them.


oddly enough, my own family possesses more skills that would be useful if the world came crashing down than my wifes family. most of her family grew up around money, so i guess that makes sense. they have a lot of scientists, politicians, lawyers, intellectuals, etc. we have builders, mechanics, architects, metal workers, lots of military, etc.

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