Any bears in Shawnee National Forest (Illinois) ???

[BearSprayer]

Subject says it all. All my research so far shows there are no bears there, and I will call the Forest Service to double check, but wanted to see if anyone knows of bears in that forest.

Thanks !

[pete lynch]

So far as I know there are no bears in that forest. :D

[Rick]

There are none. There are rare instances of mountain lion. One was shot a few years back. There are also venomous snakes to be concerned with. However, you will not find any area of the Shawnee Forest that will give you the isolation you are looking for. Virtually all of the area is national or state forest interspersed with private land. Unless the rules have changed there is no wilderness camping allowed in the forest. You should contact the Forest office to verify that but it has always been in designated camping locations.

[Sarge47]

There are none. There are rare instances of mountain lion. One was shot a few years back. There are also venomous snakes to be concerned with. However, you will not find any area of the Shawnee Forest that will give you the isolation you are looking for. Virtually all of the area is national or state forest interspersed with private land. Unless the rules have changed there is no wilderness camping allowed in the forest. You should contact the Forest office to verify that but it has always been in designated camping locations.

Welcome to the People's Republic of Illinois! No Bears, no complete isolation, no open fires allowed. Step out of line and your spiritual journey will continue in a enclosed room with huge, sweaty men you don't even know. I'd rather camp out somewhere that I may have to be careful about bears myself. Actually did that 49 years ago in Wisconsin. We camped out in some beautiful remote camping areas. Food was kept in a Travelall and we never saw a single Bruin, although Wisconsin is noted for it's bear population. Dude you're letting your fear control you....:1:

[Rick]

You need to look at the federally designated wilderness areas. Generally, wilderness camping is allowed in them. That let's you get off the beaten path and you might get a day or two away from others but don't expect it to be a week long, alone at last, experience. It probably won't be. Your fear of bears is a bit irrational. I would concentrate more on learning about them and how best to protect yourself and less time trying to find some place that doesn't have them. My wife and I spent a couple of weeks in Wyoming and Idaho last fall where black and brown bear are quite common. Since I had no experience with either I took some time and studied them, called rangers in those states and discussed best practices with them and made my arrangements accordingly. We had no animal confrontations at all except for one panhandling chipmunk.

[BearSprayer]

Thanks guys, I appreciate all the info !

[BearSprayer]

Step out of line and your spiritual journey will continue in a enclosed room with huge, sweaty men you don't even know. I'd rather camp out somewhere that I may have to be careful about bears myself. Actually did that 49 years ago in Wisconsin. We camped out in some beautiful remote camping areas. Food was kept in a Travelall and we never saw a single Bruin, although Wisconsin is noted for it's bear population. Dude you're letting your fear control you....:1:

Sarge47, do you think it is possible to reply to someone without being condescending ? You talk about me not being very old. Well, you must be twice as old as me, but your age hasn't helped you mature much, it seems. You talk about me winning the Darwin Award. Now, this.

It sounds like you have some serious insecurities or other emotional issues. That is why you feel the uncontrollable urge to put others down. Mom didn't love you enough when you were growing up ?

[Rick]

You are engaged in a two dimensional medium in which you don't have the luxury of seeing someone's body language. Unfortunately, joking around doesn't always come across as the humor that is intended in a medium like this. Don't take it personally. If we get on your case you'll know it. Just look how bad everyone treats me but I know they are all joking. You guys are joking, right?

[hunter63]

Pretty touchy there BS (BearSprayer),...... I guess I'm not seeing your point.

[TXyakr]

I don't know if it is the case with you BearSprayer but for many people fears are not rational and cannot be reasoned away or laughed away. Therapy may work for some. At a very young age I developed a fear of large dogs but got over it, long boring story. I have been bitten since, multiple times but still no fear of them just a healthy respect. I try not to get between yapping little dogs and their little old lady owners or one who cannot hold a leash very well. I have never retaliated and broken the dog's neck because it was not the dog's fault just the owner. Same with bear damaging property.

http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Barbara-County-Hikers/It goes counter to what you want to some extent but not completely, there is a nationwide online tool that helps people connect with clubs including outdoors groups if you can join a group that goes hiking in some parks near you it will be much safer and you should learn a lot about how to be safe from all the dangers and hazards including bears. If something happens to you they can get help for your or carry you out. And there should be some alone time as well to meditate while you are out there, I doubt that you will be the only one that wants to do that, also only one that wants to burn incense and brew some herbal tea etc.

So check out "meetup dot com" and see what types of day hikes, car camping, groups and clubs are available some have small membership fees others not. Most will let you come to first event for no cost, or small cost beyond park entrance fee and transportation. I like to carpool but many people don't or cannot. Some clubs are JUST backpacking, or rock climbing others do a variety of activities. Some are just sailing or kayaking, others are hiking, sea, river, snow skiing, everything for single, married, with and without kids. So whatever you want. Just get out there.

So like I said I join the these groups occasionally to reduce transportation cost, meet new people, learn details about new areas, but often go off by myself to the peace and quiet of the wilderness once I get there but let the leader know so she or he does not worry about me.

Text Curt Cragg ask him and the other members of his active club if any of them have seen any bears on any of their hikes in recent years, sounds like several people from their organization go on a hike almost every weekend.

http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Barbara-County-Hikers/

[Sarge47]

Sarge47, do you think it is possible to reply to someone without being condescending ? You talk about me not being very old. Well, you must be twice as old as me, but your age hasn't helped you mature much, it seems. You talk about me winning the Darwin Award. Now, this.

It sounds like you have some serious insecurities or other emotional issues. That is why you feel the uncontrollable urge to put others down. Mom didn't love you enough when you were growing up ?

Yo, Bear dude! It's a warning for you! I live in this stinking state and want to leave as soon as I can! You think I'm being condescending? go ahead and try to do what you want to do. Be sure you have those organ donor cards filled out!...:sailor:

[Sarge47]

You're beginning to sound like one of those people we get on here that don't like the answers to the questions they ask. If you think we don't know anything why did you come on here in the 1st place?

[kyratshooter]

This is rich,

A California scent sniffing, hippie hiker with a bear phobia taking on one of the original FART team members due to not getting the participation award they expected for persistent repetition of less than intelligent questions.

I really hate that we do not have a smiley face with popcorn and soda.

I think we have done all anyone can for this poor soul except applying a coating of honey and bacon grease and dumping them off at a campground in the Great Smokey Mountains and calling it immersion therapy.

[Sarge47]

Fruit cake toss?...:sneaky2:

[hunter63]

"Participation Award"?.......
We have one of those?....Maybe we need to make one?....

This seems to be a trend lately.......?

[tfisher]

Sarge47 you are right just Smoky Bears

[Rick]

You guys are ruthless. That's a problem for Hunter. But you know what I mean.

[hunter63]

Yeah....Ruth-less......LOL

[crashdive123]

You guys are using Ruth and bare (or is it bear) in the same sentence with H63 around? That's just cruel.

[kyratshooter]

The really amazing thing is that while one person has started two threads due to fear if bears, which many people travel miles to see...

Our annual jamboree is being scheduled to take place in the middle of a BEAR SACNTUARY !!!!

Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.....

And we will be there with kids, dogs.......and bacon!

[Sarge47]

The really amazing thing is that while one person has started two threads due to fear if bears, which many people travel miles to see...

Our annual jamboree is being scheduled to take place in the middle of a BEAR SACNTUARY !!!!

Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.....

And we will be there with kids, dogs.......and bacon!

You're right, Kyrat, two threads and no conclusion. It's a trade off; isolation and no bears ain't gonna happen. Lots of people around and less bears; no people then lots of bears. I believe, based on all I've read from this fellow is that he's fighting a losing battle....:cool2:

[Wise Old Owl]

You are engaged in a two dimensional medium in which you don't have the luxury of seeing someone's body language. Unfortunately, joking around doesn't always come across as the humor that is intended in a medium like this. Don't take it personally. If we get on your case you'll know it. Just look how bad everyone treats me but I know they are all joking. You guys are joking, right?

Some millennial is pulling EVERYONE's foot - your paw - your ....well nevermind.... 9 posts lives in Illinois and posts a stupid question about bears. Bear Spritz should join the Boy Scouts - he's a laugh a minute.....maybe they can straaatin him out.
He is worthy of a practical joke.

[Batch]

The really amazing thing is that while one person has started two threads due to fear if bears, which many people travel miles to see...

Our annual jamboree is being scheduled to take place in the middle of a BEAR SACNTUARY !!!!

Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.....

And we will be there with kids, dogs.......and bacon!


You guys let on that there is bacon at the jamboree and your going to need a bigger camp site! LOL

[Sarge47]

Some millennial is pulling EVERYONE's foot - your paw - your ....well nevermind.... 9 posts lives in Illinois and posts a stupid question about bears. Bear Spritz should join the Boy Scouts - he's a laugh a minute.....maybe they can straaatin him out.
He is worthy of a practical joke.

He doesn't live in Illinois, he claims to live in California. Here's his very first post:


Hello, I'm a newbie to this site and to backpacking.

I would like to go on my first solo backpacking trip soon, and spend about a week or longer out there. I would like to go some place with no bears, so that I just don't have to worry about them at all (peace of mind, you know ?).

I'm not looking to set up camp in an established backcountry camp, but want total solitude. In other words, I would like to camp out in the middle of nowhere, undisturbed. This is going to be sort of a spiritual journey for me, so it is very important that I am undisturbed (by people).

I realize that deserts have no bears (duh), but of course, I'd prefer an area with vegetation (i.e. a regular forest).

I live in Santa Barbara, California, and the only bear-free wilderness areas I see nearby are Montana De Oro State Park and Point Reyes National Seashore, but that is probably because they are too small to support a bear population.

I'd appreciate any suggestions. What is a reliable source of information on bear populations ? I've tried looking online but couldn't find what I was looking for.

Thanks !

Note that he says that he's new to backpacking and that he wants to be totally alone in the woods. This is as close as he's gotten to an intro with no age given. However, based on the tone of his subsequent posts I'd say he's either in his late teens or early 20s. The thing that gets me is that he claims to be new to all of this but won't listen to the information and advice given by the more experienced on here. Doesn't fit his fantasy I guess. What he doesn't seem to understand that to do what he wants he's going to have to learn to live with nature and all that it has. He claims that it's just "peace of mind" that he's looking for but it soon becomes apparent that it's a lot more than that. He's afraid of them, just like my friend was with snakes.I believe that if his trip is only possible in an area without bears and with total isolation in the woods then he'll stay at home, just like my friend did. Even if there haven't been any bears reported it doesn't mean that there aren't any. Bears can move into an area, be transplanted there, just never been sighted yet, or overlooked in some other way. It's really sad, he's been given lots of great information and advice by the membership here, but refuses to listen....:cool2:

[hunter63]

There are Bears in Chicago....but they have been pretty harmless for a while now......
Nothing to be afraid of......(LOL, joke)

[TXyakr]

If this report about Indiana is true then go hiking there. Apparently the folks in Indiana are not willing to bear proof their trash and have prefered to run all the black bears out of their state for the last almost 150 years.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/field-notes/indiana-dnr-reports-first-wild-black-bear-since-1800s-plans-to-remove-it?src=SOC&dom=fb

[pete lynch]

Or maybe Eastern Shore of Maryland. Only one bear found there in "modern times".

http://somd.com/news/headlines/2009/9878.shtml

You won't find a lot of peace and quiet there, though.( the sound of boat motors is constant)

[Rick]

Hey, Michigan shoos them south and we shoo them north. It works.

[Sarge47]

Note that bears aren't just restricted to the woods!

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:scared:

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