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hunter63

07-14-2015, 01:54 PM

Looking over a site that had tarps....the good, don't need to treat, kind.....looking at different sets...and found a bed roll fold.
Had a couple of canvas bed rolls made by my tent guy.....but may have just went this was way....LOL

http://nwwoodsman.com/Articles/MoreTarpSetUps.html

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/latest%20down%20loads/Bedroll_10_-330x250_zpsgzwxho2a.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/hunter63/media/latest%20down%20loads/Bedroll_10_-330x250_zpsgzwxho2a.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/latest%20down%20loads/Bedroll_9_-339x249_zpsllkhyx3o.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/hunter63/media/latest%20down%20loads/Bedroll_9_-339x249_zpsllkhyx3o.jpg.html)

finallyME

07-15-2015, 05:38 PM

I am curious about these.... so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid.

What time periods are these common in? For re-enactment purposes.

What benefit is there to have a canvas bed roll over a more modern fabric?

Rick

07-15-2015, 05:44 PM

You might like this.

http://www.damnyak.ca/2011/10/swags-bed-rolls.html

https://www.duluthpack.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=bed+roll

As handy as you are with the sewing machine I thought a few pics might get you started.

finallyME

07-15-2015, 06:16 PM

As handy as you are with the sewing machine I thought a few pics might get you started.

I just finished a possibles bag for my daughter using an old canvas tent. I'll put the pictures up soon.

finallyME

07-15-2015, 06:30 PM

Those duluth ones are heavy...9lbs. The military MSS gortex bivy is 2lbs...and that is heavy.

hunter63

07-15-2015, 07:27 PM

I am curious about these.... so hopefully my questions aren't too stupid.

What time periods are these common in? For re-enactment purposes.
Haven't done any research so not sure.......mostly considered Cowboy Bed rolls....that would be during the cattle drive era.
Peaking between 1866 1869.....
Ricks ink describe the Swag coming into play some what later.....but guessing that some version was used for a long time.

What benefit is there to have a canvas bed roll over a more modern fabric?

None..... as far as I would know....going to be heavier, and possibility not as water proof as say a Gortex Bivey
And most likely more expensive.

I had found this in another discussion of shelters....was impressed by the folding and tying directions....and decided to pass it along.

No attempt is made to attach to any period....just or replace any other type of materials.

My personnel preference in a canvas bed roll....and ordered and took delivery of a couple of the "sleep sacks" made and sold by my tent and canvas guy.
http://www.springvalleylodges.com/misc-canvas-items.html

Bought them to use at last years WSF Jamboree....that we missed attending last fall....so are going to be pressed into service in a couple of weeks at our rendezvous.

May not be period but looks better, to me, than a woodland cameo Bivey.....

They will be packed in, in the iron horse "Big Red" LOL
Along with the canvas tent and awning fly.
No light weight back packing here.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/Rondy/DSCF1325_zps6e04018f.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/hunter63/media/Rondy/DSCF1325_zps6e04018f.jpg.html)

kyratshooter

07-15-2015, 09:01 PM

IMHO the modern materials beat the traditional stuff in every way, and I have used some of the best of traditional gear.

The best traditional setup I ever used was a feather mattress with a down comforter and Hudson Bay blanket with a canvas tarp on top. That thing filled up half a pickup truck!

Give me an air bed and a good sleeping bag any day, or night as the case may be.

All the same, it is good to know how to get the very best out of the traditional stuff just in case you get separated from your modern super gear.

hunter63

07-15-2015, 09:24 PM

DW had inherited a couple of feather ticks from a Grandma....did use them a couple of times.......but the cloth was getting so rotted it would tear easy....and I think it had antique bugs in it as well.....
Slept well, (were kinda short) but itchy.

Tossed them both.

My original milsurp mummy bag went into a heavy canvas "bed roll" (the kind with the little tent for your head) they were not supposed to be use together....but between the two....spent many cozy nights in it, all temps,.... just had to kinda dry off the dew on the bottom in the morning.
Saw the tarp folded and brought it to mind.

PS have used the canvas pole bags over the sleeping bags on cold nights.....just a tad short...but really seems to hole in the heat.

finallyME

07-16-2015, 10:07 AM

Thanks for the info...
It seems to be a big trend with bushcrafters to use a lot of canvas. I have never really understood that. They aren't trying to be period.
There are two areas that I see canvas as absolutely necessary:
1. Period correctness. Obviously, if you are trying to hit a certain period, you need period correct materials. This makes perfect sense to me... and I might try it eventually.
2. Cotton anorak for winter camping. You have to be well below freezing, but I think these are superior to any gortex or other WPB fabric. But, once you get close to freezing, and above....doesn't work well.

For tents, I don't know. My scout troop has a bunch of these guys..http://www.kirkhams.com/springbar-tents/ . There is another brand called Kodiak that seems to be a copy. None of these that the troop owns is less than 40 lbs. They are really nice tents, and I have seen them stand up to some brutal desert wind. But, they are in the $700 range. I can get a really strong nylon tent in that price range that will take the same wind..... and weigh around 10 lbs, and pack up a lot smaller.

I definitely don't get the bags and bedrolls made from canvas that aren't trying to be period. 1000D cordura is really tough stuff, and a lot lighter. Even a heavy weight aramid fabric would be lighter and more tear resistant.

Anyways...to each their own. If you are a canvas lover... I don't hold anything against you. I won't make fun of you...too much. :)

finallyME

07-16-2015, 10:20 AM

Incidentally.... In a little over a week, my daughter is going on a "re-enactment hike". Calling it a re-enactment hike is using the term very loosely. It is more for the experience of the journey than for period correctness. Some of you know my religious affiliation. Well, every few years, the local youth organization of my church does a historical hike and drags all the 14-17 year old kids out to Wyoming to hike on the historic trail. They divide the kids into "families" and give each "family" a handcart that they put all their stuff in and pull. Over three days they walk about 25 miles with one day being 13+ miles. The kids have to do some research and find a person that they hike for... generally an ancestor. Period clothing is encouraged but not mandatory. I am trying to get my daughter to sew her own bonnet and skirt. Me or my wife could do it ourselves, but we are trying to get her to learn the skill, she is old enough. I did sew a possibles bag for her. Other than that...she is bringing a gortex bivy and sleeping bag from the army MSS system, plus modern hiking boots, and other modern stuff. Most of her gear will be stored in a 5 gallon bucket that is placed in the handcart. Like I said...it is more for the experience of pulling a handcart than being period accurate.

kyratshooter

07-16-2015, 09:57 PM

Even as a dyed in the wool historic reenactor I had to draw the line at safety and health concerns.

A couple of close calls really woke me up. There was a hypothermia incident and a wet weekend with nothing but greased moccasins. After that there was always a sleeping bag and a good pair of books to use if needed.

When it came to my kids I was much like you. The learning experience and the research was the focus and they were going to be safe even if not historic.

That handcart trek is one of my favorite incidents of western history, as brutal as it was.

finallyME

07-17-2015, 09:15 AM

That handcart trek is one of my favorite incidents of western history, as brutal as it was.

It was only really brutal for two handcart companies and two wagon trains. Everyone else had a fairly easy trip. It turned out that people can walk a really long ways......faster and farther than horses pulling wagons. I did have an ancestor in one of those wagon trains. He was blind and walked the whole way by holding on to the back of the wagon. He ended up with frostbite.

hunter63

07-17-2015, 08:58 PM

Thanks for the info...
It seems to be a big trend with bushcrafters to use a lot of canvas. I have never really understood that. They aren't trying to be period.
.........................
Anyways...to each their own. If you are a canvas lover... I don't hold anything against you. I won't make fun of you...too much. :)

LOL....Yeah, well I think the "bushcraft crowd...(don't really like the term...especially after a commercial company copyrighted it)...is really trying to "re-enact" their heros....Horace Kephart, Mors Kochanski, Dick Proenneke, Bradford Angier...and more recently Ray Mears and Tom Brown...and others.

So the use of canvas and old milsurp gear remains popular....being as how it tends to "put you in their shoes", so to speak.

Doesn't hurt to learn alternate ways....the folding pattern could be used with a Harbor Freight tarp.

Importantly it doesn't take long to realize that there will always be a better way....Pick your methods....and enjoy.

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