One hole or two......

[hunter63]

I guess this might have been better in the hunting section.....but had to do with a discussion on .357 used for deer hunting.

Discussion, (won't say where) is a .357 enough gun/load for white tailed deer.
I have used mine killed a couple at fairly close range....and is not my preferred caliber.

That said, some one brought up that you "Need" a load that perorates all the way through to give two bleeding wounds...to trail the wounded animal easier.

I almost convinced this is another "interweb truth"....like "all about shot placement (brought up), sight picture (brought up) and of course "a .22 will kill anything on the planet.

Kinda interested in what y'all have to say, were taught, and your experience.......

I will say up front that I disagree........and don't try for a through and through....on purpose.
My preference is hitting enough stuff with enough shock....the animal is dead right there DRT....and there is no need to trail, or for that matter wound an animal...on purpose.

BTW I know why I don't spend time there.....LOL...

Thoughts?

[Rick]

Indiana allows .357 for deer hunting. Of course, no FMJ.

[Zack]

Indiana allows .357 for deer hunting. Of course, no FMJ.

Delaware does as well. But it's the smallest caliber you're allowed to use. I think that it's enough to harvest a deer humanely, but I never have. I think that there are other options that may be more effective though.

[hunter63]

It was interesting that my comment was that I did agree with the .357 being "enough" gun, (yeah I know some states only allow pistol calibers)....but disagreed with the "need" to put two hole in the deer.
Being a "one shot, one kill" for a goal of a humane and effective deer load.......I just find the idea of shooting stuff full hole counter productive.

Have to say my comments started a crap storm, that I am still finding amusing..
Of course suggestions of maybe waiting for a decent shot, and making it good....were kinda frowned on.....LOL

[wilderness medic]

I think i'm jealous that not only can you actually bag a deer but you can do it with a .357! Maybe year 4 I will at least actually see one here.... I'm starting to consider an out of state hunt. Just like paying for a guide for pig, I think I would actually save money considering all the time and money spent on nothing productful..

[Lamewolf]

The one deer that I took with a 357, Ruger Security Six six inch barrel revovlever dropped within 2 steps. Load was a factory round, don't recall which brand but it was a 180 grain jacketed hollow point. But the shot was from about 35 yards, broadside and took out both lungs with damage to the heart. So I vote yes, it is enough !

[hunter63]

Over the years I have spent a lot of time and money traveling around to hunt various things.....been slowing down lately, but fall meant something to hunt from about September 15 (could push back to Sept 1st for early goose).....to late January.

Spring, turkey, fishing seasons.......Yes one can spend a lot of time and effort.....
Plan for success.

[Zack]

It was interesting that my comment was that I did agree with the .357 being "enough" gun, (yeah I know some states only allow pistol calibers)....but disagreed with the "need" to put two hole in the deer.
Being a "one shot, one kill" for a goal of a humane and effective deer load.......I just find the idea of shooting stuff full hole counter productive.

Have to say my comments started a crap storm, that I am still finding amusing..
Of course suggestions of maybe waiting for a decent shot, and making it good....were kinda frowned on.....LOL

When I used the term "humane", just like you, I meant with a single, well placed shot. I think that it's best to wait for a close, broad-side shot, especially with a pistol, because you have the best chance of being able to do the job with one round. It's hard to argue against waiting for a humane shot, but some may disagree... :wacko:

[crashdive123]

So H63, was their theory that two blood trails are better than one, or that with two holes it would bleed faster? I would think that no blood trail and dropping the animal where it stands is the preference of most hunters. I suspect you are dealing with "on-line hunters" that saw it in a video game.

[TXyakr]

There is "legal" and then there is "humane" and just plain common sense. In some places like were some of my wife's relatives live in west Texas it is not uncommon to find .22 bullets in a deer's head that have been there for many months or years. Some foolish teenagers without proper training or supervision evidently. Serious violation of the law that is rarely caught unfortunately. Very cruel!

Reminds me of one summer I sept with a friend's family in an indigenous village where my father had started a cattle and water buffalo project several years before. My friend's father really liked firearms and the outdoors but was clueless about most of it. He decided this large W.B. bull needed to be killed. So he pinned it in a small area (were we milked the cows) and shot it in the head with his .38 pistol between the eyes. It just looked at him like a bee had stung him and busted thru the 5 strands of barb wire that were pulled across the entrance like they were thread. It took 15 more rounds and almost 4 hours until that bull finally dropped dead. It was the worst tasting flesh I have ever eaten. The indigenous people were somewhat amused but mostly just disgusted with the whole spectacle. Animal cruelty, incompetence with firearms, and worthless, tough, bland meat. OH well so my friend's Dad had more to learn. My friend and I did not stay to watch the entire thing we took a break went fishing and returned for the beast's final agonizing death. He spit up a lot of blood, it was a bloody mess!

OMG know your firearms or stay on the porch and buy your meat at the grocery store! Please!

[hunter63]

So H63, was their theory that two blood trails are better than one, or that with two holes it would bleed faster? I would think that no blood trail and dropping the animal where it stands is the preference of most hunters. I suspect you are dealing with "on-line hunters" that saw it in a video game.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking....and judging by the number of dead animals referred to have been killed.....literarily 100's, my grain of salt was get getting really salty.

The point was, will a .357 kill a deer?....Answer yes, and one of mine two....was two shots ......and yeah, was two holes...shot at approx. 20 yds.
The two hole thing got repeated several times as jacketed vs hard cast ( another magic bullet )....so I just questioned it....LOL

BTW some are shooting a .357 that must be magic, as the distances and grouping were astonishing....

Seems another cut and paste answer has take root.

[hunter63]

There is "legal" and then there is "humane" and just plain common sense. In some places like were some of my wife's relatives live in west Texas it is not uncommon to find .22 bullets in a deer's head that have been there for many months or years. Some foolish teenagers without proper training or supervision evidently. Serious violation of the law that is rarely caught unfortunately. Very cruel!

Reminds me of one summer I sept with a friend's family in an indigenous village where my father had started a cattle and water buffalo project several years before. My friend's father really liked firearms and the outdoors but was clueless about most of it. He decided this large W.B. bull needed to be killed. So he pinned it in a small area (were we milked the cows) and shot it in the head with his .38 pistol between the eyes. It just looked at him like a bee had stung him and busted thru the 5 strands of barb wire that were pulled across the entrance like they were thread. It took 15 more rounds and almost 4 hours until that bull finally dropped dead. It was the worst tasting flesh I have ever eaten. The indigenous people were somewhat amused but mostly just disgusted with the whole spectacle. Animal cruelty, incompetence with firearms, and worthless, tough, bland meat. OH well so my friend's Dad had more to learn. My friend and I did not stay to watch the entire thing we took a break went fishing and returned for the beast's final agonizing death. He spit up a lot of blood, it was a bloody mess!

OMG know your firearms or stay on the porch and buy your meat at the grocery store! Please!

So where does this stand as far as one hole or two?....
I guess I'm missing something except "Stupid people are sadly out there".

[kyratshooter]

Do you need a through and through shot?

No.

You need a shot that will reach the vital organs and kill the animal.

The ideal load will expend all of its energy inside the target tearing up vital stuff without exiting.

This is also one of the internet myths I oppose when considering penetration for defense loads as well as hunting loads.

[randyt]

at first I thought this was about outhouses. I have never heard the two hole recommendation, heck there are some that hunt deer with buckshot. There are so many "rules" on the inerwebs I wonder how we made it this far.

[edr730]

I would never tell a person what weapon to use or if they are more or less human for how they hunt. But, the argument for two holes is about blood flow out of the body if your shot is less than perfect. Placement of the shot of course is the most important factor. If the shot goes in high and goes low but does not penetrate outside then the cavity will fill with blood but the blood does not get high enough to exit out of the high hole shot. So you get lots of blood but it stays inside and you can't track it. When you see blood high on the trees on say the left side but not blood on the right on the ground you begin to wonder if you will recover the animal if you have been tracking for some time.

[hunter63]

Actually had that happen.....broadside shot in the chest was a thru and thru....no blood at all ....either hole.
Followed in the direction that it ran off....found it about 1/2 mile away.....no blood till I got to it....

So putting two holes into something doesn't insure a kill.....

[TXyakr]

The diameter and velocity of the projectile is significant but the placement of the wound and knowledge of anatomy is also critical. This has been true long before the first firearm was invented. If you failed to grasp these basic concepts you would never have made it very far in officer training. I feel sorry for the poor pathetic critters any so called hunter shot at who failed to understand these basic fundamentals of ballistics. Hunter training was not required years ago but sure as heck should have been as evidenced by what some fools write online.

[TXyakr]

Consider all the thousands of engineering hours that have gone into projectile material design and how they behave on impact with a soft target. Common rounds like hollow point are only the beginning. In the early 1990's NATO used huge amounts of depleted uranium a soft incendiary rounds of several calibers during the Gulf War especially. This was very effective. One hole, two holes, a through "clean" flesh wound? How much actually combat experience and hunting of actual large game do you have?

.357 magnum is not an issue of size (stopping power) or velocity for most deer, more hollow-point or wadcutter etc bullet selection and accuracy if using a short barrel and the hunters knowledge of the animal's anatomy.
Personally I am not a big fan of rimfire ammunition for hunting unless it is in a densely wooded area were the prey is most likely very close, then why not use a bow and arrow?

[wilderness medic]

Consider all the thousands of engineering hours that have gone into projectile material design and how they behave on impact with a soft target. Common rounds like hollow point are only the beginning. In the early 1990's NATO used huge amounts of depleted uranium a soft inciderare rounds of several calibers during the Gulf War especially. This was very effective. One hole, two holes, a through "clean" flesh wound? How much actually combat experience and hunting of actual large game do you have?

Who are you talking to? You came back 45 minutes and replied to yourself....

[crashdive123]

Consider all the thousands of engineering hours that have gone into projectile material design and how they behave on impact with a soft target. Common rounds like hollow point are only the beginning. In the early 1990's NATO used huge amounts of depleted uranium a soft inciderare rounds of several calibers during the Gulf War especially. This was very effective. One hole, two holes, a through "clean" flesh wound? How much actually combat experience and hunting of actual large game do you have?


Who are you talking to? You came back 45 minutes and replied to yourself....

I'm curious about that too. By the time and tone of the response I was wondering if TY were talking to Mr. Beam or Mr. Daniels.

[Rick]

my depleted uranium is...well....depleted.

[randyt]

I prefer one hole, one less hole to sew up when I tan the hide.

[Old Professor]

I think having two holes through the animal is more desireable with a bear than a deer, as bear fat tends to plug bullet holes. I understand the argument for two holes IF the shot is less than well placed. I prefer a single bullet hole with the animal DRT. Rifle, handgun, arrow, there are too many variables to make a blanket rule.

[edr730]

I agree Hunter, two holes don't guarantee an animal will bleed. There are some instances where it helps. I prefer to concentrate on accuracy and tracking ability over anything else. Sometimes a higher partial lung shot won't put out much blood. An area just above the lungs and just below the chops won't even make a kill but people will swear they had a double lung shot. An inch or two higher or lower and he won't go far. In instances like this, if you hit some lung, you may see blood from the spray from the mouth when it coughs up blood,
Sometimes a pass through in a hind leg will put out a wide path of blood only to find he stops bleeding like he turned off the faucet. You may even find bubbles. It's one of those rare times when you need to push the animal harder, Almost always, with most shots, it's best to have patience and wait.
Running animals leave less blood than walking animals. He may walk, lay down and bleed only to get up and leave little blood. You need to decide if you are pushing too hard and need to wait or he walked away and just healed up some.
I've come to the conclusion that many people have no idea where they have hit an animal. The signs help tell you that. I prefer a recurve rather than the biggest cannon. But I can see how blowing a leg off or putting a big hole in the guts might make hunting easier. In the end, nothing beats placement and tracking.

[TXyakr]

.357 magnum is not an issue of size (stopping power) or velocity for most deer, more the actual projectile selected: whether it be a hollow-point or wadcutter or something else and accuracy if using a short barrel and the hunters knowledge of the animal's anatomy is more critical.
Personally I am not a big fan of rimfire ammunition for hunting unless it is in a densely wooded area were the prey is more likely very close, then why not use a bow and arrow? You could also use a 20 gauge shotgun with slug.

Thousands of years ago teenage boys use leather sling shots with small stones to kill lions and bears to protect their flocks of sheep and actually killed these relatively large predators. Ancient Hebrew writings record it about their second King, also that he used such a device to knock unconscious a very large soldier (stone embedded in his forehead) and then cut his head off with a sword. So the size and velocity of the projectile is not necessarily as important as the accuracy and the hunter's knowledge of anatomy. Early humans in Europe and North America used atlatl to take down mega animals like the Wooly Mammoth 10s or 100s of thousands of years ago, try using those; accuracy is very difficult but possible. I know some primitive archery people in Texas and Oklahoma who do OK with stone tipped arrows, but 99.99% of hunters would fail miserably with these if they attempted to hunt deer with them.

Like I said before just because something is legal does not mean you should try it out on a poor unsuspecting animal. Get some training or stay on the porch and buy your meat from a grocery store, Please!

My father was a good teacher and a very skilled hunter but he got very pissed off at cruelty to animals, so do I.

Also I resent Hunter63 suggesting that my friend or his father was stupid, foolish perhaps and not having the best, most appropriate firearm in a primitive situation, 4 hours by plane from the nearest gun shop, but NOT stupid. He was a very well respected College Professor, who had hunted all over the USA and S.A. His son, my friend graduated near the top of his class at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, went on to the Astronaut program, taught fighter pilots, and is now a professor at the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado. One foolish mistake does not make you stupid person!!!! Silly discussions about one or two holes does make me wonder however. Simple minds are easily entertained I guess, carry on. Have fun with it.

Don't torment any animals unnecessarily or some shrink may think you are psychopathic.

My experience following blood trails tells me that even a shot from a high powered centerfire round that has caused a fatal wound (completely through with large exit damage) to the edge of the spinal cord of a deer or hog can still leave a very faint blood trail. And the animal can run for hundreds of yards. A wound to a vital organ like a liver or even single lung can still allow it run for over a mile, there can be areas of over 100 yards with no blood drops at all if you lack the proper optics to assist in finding these tiny drops, thus it may be vitally impossible. If the brush has been trampled down by other wild animals or livestock your speculative tracking skills and years of wildlife experience are all you have or the vultures will find it first.

Just my experience yours may differ.

[hunter63]

There is "legal" and then there is "humane" and just plain common sense. In some places like were some of my wife's relatives live in west Texas it is not uncommon to find .22 bullets in a deer's head that have been there for many months or years. Some foolish teenagers without proper training or supervision evidently. Serious violation of the law that is rarely caught unfortunately. Very cruel!

Reminds me of one summer I sept with a friend's family in an indigenous village where my father had started a cattle and water buffalo project several years before. My friend's father really liked firearms and the outdoors but was clueless about most of it. He decided this large W.B. bull needed to be killed. So he pinned it in a small area (were we milked the cows) and shot it in the head with his .38 pistol between the eyes. It just looked at him like a bee had stung him and busted thru the 5 strands of barb wire that were pulled across the entrance like they were thread. It took 15 more rounds and almost 4 hours until that bull finally dropped dead. It was the worst tasting flesh I have ever eaten. The indigenous people were somewhat amused but mostly just disgusted with the whole spectacle. Animal cruelty, incompetence with firearms, and worthless, tough, bland meat. OH well so my friend's Dad had more to learn. My friend and I did not stay to watch the entire thing we took a break went fishing and returned for the beast's final agonizing death. He spit up a lot of blood, it was a bloody mess!

OMG know your firearms or stay on the porch and buy your meat at the grocery store! Please!

Guess I should have specified the part of your statement I was referencing ....Oh well.

As you note, I am easily amused............
and That is a joke......so as there is no misunderstanding.

[Rick]

Silly discussions about one or two holes does make me wonder however.

(chuckle) You do know you are a part of the discussion right? In fact, you had as many posts as anyone. I'm thinkin' pot and kettle. Call me crazy.

[wilderness medic]

I'm curious about that too. By the time and tone of the response I was wondering if TY were talking to Mr. Beam or Mr. Daniels.:lol::lol::lol:

Get some training or stay on the porch and buy your meat from a grocery store, Please![/COLOR]

Maybe you can come teach us all master pappy's way. You sound like you know all the ins and outs of hunting.
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[hunter63]

Careful, might get "resented"......LOL

[Rick]

Sweet baby Jesus. Now THAT is a mullet!

[randyt]

I had a mullet 25 years ago LOL.

[crashdive123]

I caught a mullet once.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9nAWsGWR87w/TptM28hq86I/AAAAAAAAXUw/8gK8u3jqNmY/s1600/Striped+Mullet.jpg

[tundrabadger]

I caught a mullet once.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9nAWsGWR87w/TptM28hq86I/AAAAAAAAXUw/8gK8u3jqNmY/s1600/Striped+Mullet.jpg

Ah, but did the hook leave one or two holes?

[TXyakr]

I caught a mullet once.

It ain't easy to catch a fish that primarily eats algae on a hook. To my surprise I caught a gizzard shad on a small fly once but it was snagged in the dorsal fin not the mouth, not the fish I intended to catch. More have jumped into my boat. Most mullets and shad are harvested with nets. I heard in the 1980's women caught men in mullets wearing fish net stockings, their hooks left 1 or 2 holes in them, ears and other strange places.

[Batch]

There is some merit to the argument that a bullet should expend all of its energy expanding and causing trauma to the target. But, I have always heard that in reference to defensive rounds.

So, what are we saying here? That if you are shooting with a hot hard hitting load that you should dial it back to avoid a pass through shot?

My limited experience would say to get maximum expansion and if it still has the energy to bust all the way through. Even better. You can argue wasted ballistic energy and the science of this or that. But, I don't see a down side to that.

The archery comments have me stumped in this thread. How could you not prefer a pass through shot all other things being equal?

I am not arguing that two holes are needed. But, if shot placement is the exact same and the ONLY variable is one hole or two. Then, I'll take two! Cause if they were DRT with one, they will be DRT with two.

[wilderness medic]

It ain't easy to catch a fish that primarily eats algae on a hook.

That's why you shoot them with a thru and thru shot.

[hunter63]

There is some merit to the argument that a bullet should expend all of its energy expanding and causing trauma to the target. But, I have always heard that in reference to defensive rounds.

So, what are we saying here? That if you are shooting with a hot hard hitting load that you should dial it back to avoid a pass through shot?

My limited experience would say to get maximum expansion and if it still has the energy to bust all the way through. Even better. You can argue wasted ballistic energy and the science of this or that. But, I don't see a down side to that.

The archery comments have me stumped in this thread. How could you not prefer a pass through shot all other things being equal?

I am not arguing that two holes are needed. But, if shot placement is the exact same and the ONLY variable is one hole or two. Then, I'll take two! Cause if they were DRT with one, they will be DRT with two.

There just seem to be a line of thinking that a thru and thru shot is preferred and a goal of your load.....so as to have more of a blood trail to make it easier tail your wounded animal.

My thoughts are, hit hard, deep and do damage internally, and have the animal fall over right there.

As far a bow reference goes....broad heads are designed to carve a large hole, so as to bleed either internally or externally as the initial shot is not the same amount of shock as a bullet traveling a lot faster.

Was just curious how y'all looked at it........

BTW..... BIL like ballistic tip bullets (.270 or .308).....did pass through, and made a heck of an exit wound (size of your fist)....destroying a lot of meat.

[kyratshooter]

Does this mean that I need to abandon the handloaded ammo I have used to harvest between one and ten deer each year for the past 4 decades because it only gives through and through shots when I mess up, miss the vitals and only hit soft tissue?

BTW, is this thread the opposite end of the "well placed .22lr will take anything in North America" argument?

[hunter63]

Does this mean that I need to abandon the handloaded ammo I have used to harvest between one and ten deer each year for the past 4 decades because it only gives through and through shots when I mess up, miss the vitals and only hit soft tissue?

BTW, is this thread the opposite end of the "well placed .22lr will take anything in North America" argument?

LOL.......Not hardly........but some how I don't picture you as a "keep banging away till they fall over", kind of guy.

Thru and thru shots are gonna happen, hopefully bad shots are kept at a minimum....dead is dead, finding game is very important.
I just don't "plan" on a thru and thru.

[edr730]

This one hole two hole arguement goes back as far back as I can remember in archery circles. Use a heavy bow or not. Accuracy vs power. In the end, it usually ends up with "do exactly what I do because I know better than you". That almost always isn't the case. I just let people do what they choose to do and hunt with what they wish to and will not call a person less of a hunter because he doesn't do as I do.

[kyratshooter]

Agreed!!

You don't have to agree with me, you have the right to be wrong if you want too.

Except that I am real ambiguous on this topic.

[hunter63]

I thought I was wrong once....think it was 1957?....turned out it was a mistake....Oh well.

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