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natertot
12-25-2014, 12:05 AM
Today, I received my Esbit small and large stove along with 30 fuel tabs. These are all actual Esbit brand made in Germany. Not any of the knock offs or milsurp variants. This whole purchase came about after discovering a milsurp variant I previously had was found rusted. Here is a link to that thread.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?26199-Esbit-stove-rusting&highlight=esbit

I have looked over both the small and large stoves. Both seem to be sturdier than my previous milsurp. The metal is electrolytic galvanized steel. Not sure how that differs from other galvanized steel, but it does seem sturdy and can tell that rust is not in the near future. I have not used the large stove yet, but I did do a run with the small stove. I place a canteen cup with two cups of water on it and burned one fuel tab. This was done indoors on my range without any issues since it is non-toxic and smoke free. Indoor temp was about 72*F and wind was not a factor. The water lightly bubbled at the 8 minute mark and using a meat thermometer, the temp was 205*F. The temp stayed the same until the 11 minute mark when the fuel tab started to die down and the temp slowly started to decrease. The fuel tab completely burned out at the 13 minute mark and the water never came to a rolling boil. Only the light bubble. Either case, water would be purified and food would be cooked. I am sure if two tabs were used simultaneously a rolling boil would be achieved. I was impressed with the zero smoke and that the stove was relatively okay to touch five minutes after fuel died. Also, the stove was okay to quickly touch during the height of the burn. I was also impressed with the amount of soot on the bottom of the cup which was about the size of an old Eisenhower dollar coin and washed off with little effort.

All in all, I good purchase. Both stoves and fuel were about $35 dollars and worth it so far. I will update this with more info as I play with them more.

ElevenBravo
12-25-2014, 12:47 AM
In the mil, we were issued some canteen cup stoves and some fuel tabs.

Nothing to write home about, but yeah... it was golden to have hot coffee, shaving water, coco, whatever!!!

Im running a Mechanic Mike's alcohol stove now, I prefer it... but theres not a thing wrong with solid fuel stoves.


Enjoy your prize!!
EB

natertot
12-25-2014, 12:08 PM
That is one thing I must admit. The Esbit brand fuel tabs do burn cleaner and hotter, and they burn a bit longer than any milsurp fuel tabs I have played with. I haven't tried the Coghlans brand yet, but will do so. I also like the fact they can be used indoors with proper caution.

I am trying to get my alcohol stove to work. If I can, I wouldn't mind placing it on the Esbit stove to use as another fuel source for the stove. Just a thought and things to play with. Right now, I can't get the Alchy stove to light........

ElevenBravo
12-25-2014, 12:43 PM
I got Mikes side jet stove...

http://www.ebay.com/usr/mechanic_mike69?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

Ive bought the top jet also, about 4 stoves from Mike... I tried to build one a long time ago, I gave up... It looks a lot easier on Youtube! HA HA! Anywho, Mike makes the best!

Ive played with my side jet quite a bit, havent had time to make any videos, but.. once you get it to blossom, you can sit the pot right on top... I use a Stansport stainless cup from WalMart (very good quality) and the setup works out great!

I used to be worried about fuel... would carry alcohol in a MSR can, but I now carry in a repourposed plastic whiskey bottle. I dont have any leaks and its lighter.

Anyway back to the Esbit.. I do think the Esbit brand tabs are higher quality than the old mil hex tabs. The folding stoves and tabs are very very good!!

EB

natertot
12-25-2014, 03:08 PM
I made the "Penny Stove" style alcohol stove. I first used 70 percent Isopropyl Alcohol. I could get the hole in the center to light, but not the jet ports. I figured that the issue was the alcohol wasn't concentrated enough. I then tried 91 percent Isopropyl Alcohol and after a bit of fussing, I got about a third of the ports to light but the flames were kinda small. Just a little bit ago, I remembered I have some denatured alcohol out in the garage. Looking at the container, it is actually designed for alcohol stoves. It has to work.... right?

Threw some in the stove, put the stove in the Esbit stove, and lit the center hole. About three minutes later, the ports took off! Good 2-3" flames that were a royal blue and tossed a penny over the center hole. I looked into the ports and notice the denatured alcohol was bubbling as well. I put a canteen cup with two cups of water on it. Got to the same results as the Esbit fuel tabs in about ten minutes and a light rolling boil in about 15 minutes.

Esbit fuel tabs vs denatured alcohol in a penny stove.
Esbit Fuel tab pros: Easier to light, quicker to light, doesn't spill, self extinguishing.
Penny Stove pros: Heats longer, don't have to add fuel for longer burns, zero soot on the bottom of the cup

I think that the trick with the alcohol stove and getting the ports to ignite is to get the alcohol itself "hot" enough to produce a sufficient vapor to continuously supply the flame. I will have to experiment with the Isopropyl Alcohol and this theory later. If I am right, this makes the alcohol penny stove a tough option in the winter. I might have to make an alcohol stove like a chamfer stove for cold temperatures.

Lots of thoughts and experiments to sort through.......

ElevenBravo
12-25-2014, 07:07 PM
Iso alcohol does NOT work properly in a jet stove, only denatured alcohol (lowes, home depot, tractor supply, mom & pop hardware, outdoor adventure store, etc..). This may be the source of great fail in your experiment.

I also saw your mention of an alcohol stove in the cold... Running denatured alcohol I have run mine in the winder and have made no observations of any different run either hot or colt weather.

GL,
EB

hunter63
12-25-2014, 07:40 PM
I use a bit of you esbit tab in the center of the penny stove.....to light....you need to get the alcohol hot enough to vaporize...then the side jet will start.....about the time as the piece burns down.

I like using "HEET" yellow bottle.

Do not add fuel until completely burned out....make for a interesting fire on the work bench.

natertot
12-25-2014, 08:27 PM
EB, good to know about the temps. Isopropyl alcohol has been zero success in a jet stove for me. I will have to try it as a "chamfer" design and see how that works.

Hunter, I thought about using a tab on the alcohol penny stove with Isopropyl Alcohol and seeing if that would work. Also though about putting a tea light under it as well. Your statement about vaporization confirms what I suspect. I also looked into using HEET as well. I have discovered that a 12oz bottle of HEET is $1 more than a quart of denatured alcohol and I know the denatured alcohol works. Local dollar store sells there own house brand of HEET in a similar 12oz bottle for a buck plus tax. I know it has the same ingredients as HEET, just not sure of the concentration. For $1, I may just have to try it. If it works, that will be the cheapest fuel for the alcohol stove. Even cheaper than Isopropyl Alcohol.

I thought that was you with the bench........ :flare: :munchies:

Tokwan
12-25-2014, 09:04 PM
Naternot..pics please so that I can compare with mine. depending on the temp and climate, some places, you will only need half the tablet to boil 2 cups of water...
I tried, on a rainy day it take 1 and half tablets.

natertot
12-25-2014, 09:08 PM
Naternot..pics please so that I can compare with mine. depending on the temp and climate, some places, you will only need half the tablet to boil 2 cups of water...
I tried, on a rainy day it take 1 and half tablets.

Wish I could post pics...... I still don't have that issue resolved. I will work on that some more as well.....

hunter63
12-25-2014, 09:14 PM
I bought a bunch of HEET on sale, were like 3 for 2 bucks or something like that....spring is the best time.....on sale.

I have some for maybe 20 years....some actually evaporated out of the bottle....still sealed but only 1/2 full....LOL

Used to use it in the race car like 2 gal of racing fuel....10 cans or HEET.....did it do any good....really can't say.....but was one of the if some one did it and won....next week everyone will be doing it.
Called the "Green Wheenie Theory.....

hunter63
12-25-2014, 09:18 PM
EB, good to know about the temps. Isopropyl alcohol has been zero success in a jet stove for me. I will have to try it as a "chamfer" design and see how that works.

Whisky doesn't work....to much water,,, spits and sputters....

Hunter, I thought about using a tab on the alcohol penny stove with Isopropyl Alcohol and seeing if that would work. Also though about putting a tea light under it as well. Your statement about vaporization confirms what I suspect. I also looked into using HEET as well. I have discovered that a 12oz bottle of HEET is $1 more than a quart of denatured alcohol and I know the denatured alcohol works. Local dollar store sells there own house brand of HEET in a similar 12oz bottle for a buck plus tax. I know it has the same ingredients as HEET, just not sure of the concentration. For $1, I may just have to try it. If it works, that will be the cheapest fuel for the alcohol stove. Even cheaper than Isopropyl Alcohol.

I thought that was you with the bench........ :flare: :munchies:

Some where back in the archives is my build and review of the penny stove, with all the gory details......and the kidding I have received here ever since....from some of the "older(est)" members....LOL

Tokwan
12-25-2014, 10:19 PM
Zack, send to my [email protected]

natertot
12-26-2014, 01:55 AM
Tok, Zack hasn't participated in this thread.......

If you are wanting me to e-mail you some pics, I can do that. I plan on playing some more in the next few days and will take pics and send them to you. Or post them if I get the pic dilemma solved.

Tokwan
12-26-2014, 02:55 AM
Oops..silly 'ol me, its supposed to be you Nat. Yep...send me them pics so that I can compre with mine. I got two Esbits cook sets and stoves. One is single mug with a cap, it comes with solid fuel stove, but an alcohol stove fits in it.
The other is a 2pc cookset with an alcohol stove that can be used for solid fuel too...I love em.

Batch
12-26-2014, 10:09 AM
Tokwan, I would like to hear/see more on that duel fuel stove.

Lamewolf
12-26-2014, 10:51 AM
I use my Trangia spirit burner with my Esbit stove - no soot or smoke using denatured alcohol and it will boil water with ease !

ElevenBravo
12-26-2014, 04:22 PM
I use my Trangia spirit burner with my Esbit stove - no soot or smoke using denatured alcohol and it will boil water with ease !

That is one of the things I LOVE most about alcohol stoves... almost zero fumes (as to to not generate a smell signature), smokeless and zero soot on cookware! Very clean, very hot and very efficient. Stock up on denatured while you can.

The bottles of yellow Heet I think work best, but denatured is just dandy too... iso is a total no go.

There are pros and cons to alcohol vs esbit, I think it boils down to personal preference.

EB

natertot
12-26-2014, 07:42 PM
I think it boils down to personal preference.

EB

Pun intended?!

Rick
12-26-2014, 08:39 PM
One of the things I hated about alcohol stoves was the soot issue.

natertot
12-26-2014, 09:06 PM
One of the things I hated about alcohol stoves was the soot issue.

I had zero soot with the denatured alcohol, but I did make two chamfer style alcohol stoves to run Isopropyl Alcohol today. I started to run the first one, but it was too big to put on the small Esbit stove. Once the canteen cup was put on, the flame really struggled for air. I then made a slightly smaller one which worked for the test run. The temps, time and boil were nearly identical as the denatured alcohol. Price for the product runs close to the same as denatured alcohol as well. The soot from Isopropyl was a lot and the smell of doing it indoors was quite offensive. (Ask the family!) That being said, here is where I would rank the fuels I have tested so far.

1 Esbit fuel tabs are number one choice, but are costly and there is some minor soot. Lightweight and don't spill as they are solid is a plus.
2 Denatured alcohol from a homemade jet stove is cheaper than Esbit, but you have to contend with liquids and slightly longer burn times to achieve the desired temps. ZERO soot was awesome though!
3 MilSurp fuel tabs are cheap and work, but multiple fuel tabs are needed to reach desired temps. Also soot and smell are slight issues.
4 91 percent Isopropyl is the same price point as denatured and times and temps are similar. Extremely high soot, really offensive smell and having to use in an "open" chamfer style stove increasing the chances for out of control fire set this as the last means necessary.

I still want to experiment with HEET and off brand variants as well as some other liquid fuels. I also want to do a run with Coghlan's fuel tabs. I will post more info as I play.

TXyakr
12-27-2014, 01:16 AM
"Natertot" that is very good side by side comparison. Sometimes the best fuel is just what is available when you are in some small town or on the road.
Check out the technical evaluation of several common "Fuels for Alcohol Stoves" at zenstoves.net

I prefer denatured alcohol but am aware that it is toxic and best not to store inside my pot in case it leaks from its container.

natertot
12-27-2014, 01:49 AM
Hey TX, I agree that what is best is what's on hand. You got to learn how to use it though otherwise it is pointless. Reading only gets you so far, doing will get you to your destination. After looking at the "evaluation" I wasn't too impressed. They went into the chemical make up, but I really don't care about that. They also didn't cover how to use which types of fuel for which type of stove. That would be more useful than chemical compositions in my book. What I am learning is how to use each one and what the pros and cons are. Just can't really learn that by reading.

Denatured alcohol is only toxic if swallowed or absorbed in large amounts. Keep it in a proper container and you don't have to worry about it.

Tokwan
12-27-2014, 04:32 AM
Tokwan, I would like to hear/see more on that duel fuel stove.

Batch, its a 2 piece cookset Esbit Stove. Comes with a alcohol stove taht can be used for solid fuel as well. It has a small pot and a cup that can be used for the cover. Its on the net and here is the link http://www.ogm-shop.com/product.php?id_product=78

Tokwan
12-27-2014, 04:33 AM
So far..all my trangia and esbit alcohol stoves leaves no soot. You gotta add 10% of water to the spirit or alcohol.

Tokwan
12-27-2014, 04:37 AM
I also have this stove...http://eco-sports.com.my/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1176

However, this only uses solid fuel.

Lamewolf
12-27-2014, 10:28 AM
One of the things I hated about alcohol stoves was the soot issue.

You must have been using isopropyl alcohol, as denatured alcohol does cause soot - burns hot and clean. That's why they use in in marine stoves.

Lamewolf
12-27-2014, 10:30 AM
I also have this stove...http://eco-sports.com.my/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1176

However, this only uses solid fuel.

Looks like my Trangia spirit burner would fit right in that one too, so it would burn alcohol !

TXyakr
12-27-2014, 11:08 AM
Natetot your comparison of Esbit to denatured alcohol fuel was helpful. For many years, many people have criticized alcohol as being an excessively bulky fuel for anything more than a short weekend trip due to a low BTU content per volume and weight.

Ethanol, (ethyl alcohol), contains approximately 11,570 - 12,500 BTU of heat per pound
Methanol, (methyl alcohol), contains 8400 - 10,000 BTU of heat per pound
White gas contains approximately 18,000 - 20,000 BTU per pound
Propane, Butane or Isobutane 19,000 - 25,000 BTU/pound not including pressurized vessel.

Various solid fuels like Esbit ( Hexamethylenetetramine) approx 13,300 BTU of heat per pound

These fuels often contain many different impurities depending on who made them and which batch, how old, moisture content, country of origin etc so the exact BTU can vary by a lot.

Being a scientist I was trained to start with theory, make a hypothesis then design an experiment to test it. Then base my practical field work around that.

So it would be interesting to cut a Coghlan's tablet and weigh to get about the same mass and size as one from Esbit then boil about the same amount of water. See which is more efficient. Several local stores sell 24 of the small tablets for only $3, so price is fairly low. It is also easier to use this to start a wood (biomass) fire with than alcohol or even with many liquid fuels like white gas, naphtha or kerosene. Probably possible to make your own solid fuel tablets but I have never tried. These from Coghlan's, StanSport and Weber are very cheap.

One of several sources of basic scientific information that may NOT be accurate:
http://zenstoves.net/Fuels.htm#Solid

Edit: an advantage of alcohol and these solid fuels over propane or isobutane is that they do better at very cold temperatures. White gas as well but it requires a more complicated stove so some people (myself) prefer it for longer trips.

TXyakr
12-27-2014, 12:11 PM
91 percent Isopropyl is the same price point as denatured and times and temps are similar. Extremely high soot, really offensive smell and having to use in an "open" chamfer style stove increasing the chances for out of control fire set this as the last means necessary.

I still want to experiment with HEET and off brand variants as well as some other liquid fuels. I also want to do a run with Coghlan's fuel tabs. I will post more info as I play.

Back in the 1970's when I was a kid, cheap open burner alcohol stoves with "rubbing alcohol" 91% if we were lucky was all we had most of the time. And a metal food can as a pot. Surprising that my friends and I have not died of cancer by now. By punching holes in the upper sides of a tuna/pet food can a person can make a "stove" that requires no additional pot stand since the flames come out of these side holes and the "pot" sits on top. Then whatever fuel (hand sanitizer mixed with sand, Benghazi burner/cooker or rubbing alcohol etc or petrol/diesel fuel mixed with sand or whatever cooks food in metal food can clay pot or whatever, these methods are crazy. One of my friends was severely burned and spent months recovering and his legs have massive scars 40 years later. So don't be an idiot!) But if in a difficult survivor situation think outside the box.

Also some soot can actually improve the efficiency of an aluminum/metal pot when used with wood/biomass therefore may not be all that bad just a nuisance when packing up due to low quality alcohols (Isopropyl).

Some park rangers during burn ban do not like open alcohol stoves because they can spill and the flame is transparent in daylight. My mother put out a fire in a guest's room when some British folks were using one to heat up water for their afternoon tea. She was like "just ask the maid to heat some water in the kitchen and don't burn down my house, thank you very much!!!" She has a low tolerance for foolishness.

Zack
12-27-2014, 09:17 PM
Zack, send to my [email protected]

Who, me? I don't follow...

crashdive123
12-27-2014, 11:04 PM
Who, me? I don't follow...

If you would have kept reading you would have seen that he made a mistake asking you to send an email.

Tokwan
12-28-2014, 12:36 AM
You just gotta forgive an old man like me...lol

Tokwan
12-28-2014, 12:37 AM
Looks like my Trangia spirit burner would fit right in that one too, so it would burn alcohol !

Yep it would..tested!

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чемп (http://tamecurve.ru)Gene (http://tapecorrection.ru)Deco (http://tappingchuck.ru)Мище (http://taskreasoning.ru)Dead (http://technicalgrade.ru)Elec (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)This (http://telescopicdamper.ru)Сыче (http://temperateclimate.ru)двои (http://temperedmeasure.ru)capp (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)Димо (http://ultramaficrock.ru)Ursu (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)