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Faiaoga
08-10-2014, 06:54 PM
"Wifi in the Woods" (August 10, 2014) in the Atlantic Monthly website discusses difficulties we now have getting away from connections to the civilized world. It also discusses controversies about extending the internet and other communications into USA and Canadian pars and wilderness area. Worth looking at.:clover:
Faiaoga
08-13-2014, 01:26 AM
Reading the article about wifi in the woods, I was reminded to check out an reread "A Walk in the Woods (1998y Bill Bryson, a book about walking the
Appalachian Trail. In the book, Bryson mentions meeting a hiker on Stratton Mountain, Vermont. The hiker had no food, no water, no map or compass, no knife, no matches, no spare clothing....but he carried an Enviro Monitor that measured temperature (Fahrenheit, Celsius and Kelvin), humidity, wind speed, relative humidity, air pressure and albedo to at least four decimal places. Bryson's book also references the demand placed upon park rangers and rescue services when such outdoors recreation seekers run into trouble.
Probably an extension of wifi into wilderness area will increase the number of people equipped with Enviro Monitors and similar devices but not equipped with the Ten Essentials (matches, knife, compass and so on). :smartass:
Tokwan
08-13-2014, 03:03 AM
I thought why we go to the woods is to get away from all these hi tech stuffs?
natertot
08-13-2014, 07:25 AM
I thought why we go to the woods is to get away from all these hi tech stuffs?
we do. But techies wanna go out to the woods to, and alot will be like what faioaga described.
ElevenBravo
08-13-2014, 08:39 PM
I thought why we go to the woods is to get away from all these hi tech stuffs?
You beat me to it... Its nice to have 2M or Cell connection, for peace of mind in an emergency, however a LOT of places we go camping, Id need 40m and a dipole to make an emergency call.
I am looking at the Spot satphone and the dirt cheapest plan they have and even then, its not real real reliable... but for a mayday or a 60 second "Im here and well, love you, bye" call, it would be nice to have.
EB
Tokwan
08-13-2014, 08:49 PM
My wife gave up on me...in the early years, she would insist that I call every nite...now no more calls..hehehe..so do I need wifi?
kyratshooter
08-13-2014, 11:04 PM
Not everyone that goes to the woods is after a "survival experience" or any amount of hardship at all. They are there to enjoy the view, breathe some fresh air, take a hike on a well marked trail and see a real live bear. Doing without phone or laptop is not part of their deal.
Strangely enough, it is these masses of non-traditional, non-minimalist, RV towing non-survivors that foot most of the bills for the NPS and state parks and wilderness areas.
I say let them enjoy the woods and their electronics at the same time if they wish.
Just so happens that I really enjoy my GPS and my laptop, and at my age dialing 911 is an event that could be required at any given moment.
crashdive123
08-14-2014, 05:49 AM
I see nothing wrong with the ability to use tech when you need/want it.
I remember an early camping trip when I first moved to Washington State. It was in a civilized campground full of tent and RV campers. One evening I, still rather early, I had to politely ask some other campers to take control of their young children who were boisterously fighting over which TV program to watch. They were very courteous and I never heard another peep from the kids.
On a side note.....Duct tape is an amazing product. Don't go camping without it.:whistling:
hunter63
08-14-2014, 10:11 AM
Well we did have a "event" involving watching a Packer Game on a picnic table, and the Bears fans that had the permanent site next to us complained that their kids were watching fron the up stair of the Park Home....wanting us to turn off the "Noise".
Told the Ranger that I couldn't hear what he was saying as they A/C condensing unit was running 5 feet from our pop-up.
I have to agree....You pay your money, enjoy what you want....as long as it doesn't interfere with me.
Lamewolf
08-14-2014, 10:30 AM
You beat me to it... Its nice to have 2M or Cell connection, for peace of mind in an emergency, however a LOT of places we go camping, Id need 40m and a dipole to make an emergency call.
I am looking at the Spot satphone and the dirt cheapest plan they have and even then, its not real real reliable... but for a mayday or a 60 second "Im here and well, love you, bye" call, it would be nice to have.
EB
I carry a 40 meter MFJ Cub radio, a very small end fed wire tuner and a length of thin gauge insulated wire 67' long to toss into the trees. This complete station along with a mini CW key will fit in a coat pocket along with an 8 cell AA battery pack that will run it for a few weeks. But of course you need to be able to operate Morse code with his station !
tundrabadger
08-14-2014, 11:56 PM
I have a cottage/cabin/really ambitious gazebo (take your pick) about 20 km up a logging road, a couple of hours from here. Everytime we get up there, my first act is to take out my cel phone, see that there is no signal, and sigh contentedly, because I go to the woods to get away from the constant flow of information, and I genuinely enjoy being out of reach for a few days.
That being said....my mother also has a place up there, and she's got a heart thing. Be really nice to be able to dial 911 if we are up there together and she has a problem, rather than driving an hour and a half to the nearest hospital. So there's arguments for and against.
LowKey
08-15-2014, 07:18 PM
Tech is handy to have. On your schedule. I shut my phone off quite often, especially on non-working hours and especially when outside.
tundrabadger
08-15-2014, 07:59 PM
Tech is handy to have. On your schedule. I shut my phone off quite often, especially on non-working hours and especially when outside.
I used to have my cell phone on me at all times when I was out of the house. But after one too many calls from part timers while I was walking my dog on my day off, I started to "forget" it.
Old Professor
08-15-2014, 08:21 PM
At my age (74) I seldom venture into real wilderness any more, However a serious emergency can arise anywhere., so I carry the SPOT emergency locator beacon, especially if I am riding my ATV on some of the back roads and trails here in the UP of Michigan. I have found that cell phone coverage seldom exists in the places I most like to visit. Normally, I do not even carry my smart phone (sorry I ever got it!). I really have come to detest cell phones. I do not see the attraction in always "being Connected" And I refuse to "text" with my cell phone! And don't even get me started on the social media fad!
1stimestar
08-16-2014, 04:31 AM
I'm on call for my job 24/7. When I go on vacation, that sucker is OFF!
canid
08-16-2014, 05:13 AM
we do. But techies wanna go out to the woods to, and alot will be like what faioaga described.
That pretty much says it. I'm a dyed in the wool techie, and I like having my GPS, ebooks, videos, radio gadgets and internet connectivity with me much of the time; though I wouldn't be one to try to replace essentials with such luxuries.
tundrabadger
08-16-2014, 09:35 AM
That pretty much says it. I'm a dyed in the wool techie, and I like having my GPS, ebooks, videos, radio gadgets and internet connectivity with me much of the time; though I wouldn't be one to try to replace essentials with such luxuries.
Hey, books are kind of crucial, so the ebook reader might not be a bad call.
canid
08-16-2014, 10:22 AM
not to mention maps, historical data about areas I visit, etc.
alaskabushman
08-16-2014, 11:04 AM
For wilderness techies something like the Earl might be handy. Www.meetearl.com
I live where there is already no cell service so I carry a handheld VHF radio almost everywhere. My house has a VHF base with 12' antenna and my pickup also is wired for VHF. I can get 10-15 miles of communication with this, and can almost always reach the Coast Guard if things get really bad. I don't have internet at my house at all so I don't really feel too needy when I get out into the woods, since I already live daily life without cell phones and internet.
kyratshooter
08-16-2014, 11:40 AM
I suppose I fall into a half way category of sorts.
If I want to "get away from it all" I do not go to a public campgrounds where other people sitting at the picnic table talking on their smartphone or working on a laptop would occur any why.
One of the things that bugs me at "Rondys" is to see a person dressed in 18th century clothing talking on a cell phone! Same for sitting around a campfire at a primitive event and hearing phones beeping all around. Most of my camps have rules that prevent their use in sight of others. You have to hide inside the tent to make a call.
But at my age I now want a signal on my phone if possible. I often will scan for a signal, then turn the phone off and never see it again until I plug it into the charger when I load up the truck.
hajta
10-15-2017, 06:22 AM
The day they start stretching out in "my" woods with celltowers, even WiFi is the day I move. No thank you.
kyratshooter
10-15-2017, 01:57 PM
Hajta, are you really in Sweden?
Sweden has the 4th largest usage of wifi in the world with 96% of the population connected wirelessly. The usage rate is much higher than in the U.S.
For less than $10 a month every person in Sweden can make their smartphone a wifi hot spot anywhere in the country, even in the woods, and apparently they do.
For every 100 people in Sweden there are 127 cell phones in use! That means that everyone has a phone and 1/4 of the population has more than one mobile phone subscription.
Wise Old Owl
10-15-2017, 07:20 PM
Wow - now that we have the nay-sayers and dithering diehards, we have a consensus. Honest I do not care. Wifi has replaced news - weather - sports - polotics and clearly access to information. Do not be appalling, wifi is here it stay. honest nobody cares.
The only thing local news has to offer any more is commercials. Give me WIFI anyday.
hunter63
10-15-2017, 07:44 PM
Rock and Roll is just a fad.....
kyratshooter
10-15-2017, 11:01 PM
TV may not catch on either.
WolfVanZandt
10-16-2017, 09:46 AM
I'm not crazy about smartphones (except for trail equipment) but, if for no other reason than helping rescuers to get to people....
WolfVanZandt
10-18-2017, 10:39 AM
Actually, there are other reasons for me.
I often use rest stops on long hikes to call family and friends. It's about the only time me and my brother, Ron, ever talk.
And, now that I live well inside Denver (I think it's digesting me), I go on urban hikes and my cell phone helps me avoid wasting time wondering around looking at street signs.
I'm planning to do a "ghost hike" Friday and I'll be using my phone recorder for the first time to take notes.
hajta
10-21-2017, 07:19 AM
I heard Stockholm is pretty dense, but that's a fifteen hour drive from here atleast. I don't like connectivity ;)
I would have no problem not having wifi in the woods, I rarely take my phone hiking, camping, hunting.
Just remember, that phone could be a life saver for you or someone else should an accident happen. Even if you are unable to use it the fact that it pinged a cell tower will tell them the general vicinity you are in if you fail to return.
hunter63
10-21-2017, 01:33 PM
Just remember, that phone could be a life saver for you or someone else should an accident happen. Even if you are unable to use it the fact that it pinged a cell tower will tell them the general vicinity you are in if you fail to return.
Yeah. I learned my lesson on taking the phone along.
Was duck hunting with a my hunting partner and nephew....
Both were always on the phone....instead of hunting.
Next morning I made a big deal about "you gonna hunt or talk"...very annoying"
Left the phones in the truck....
A couple of other hunters across from us... being clumsy and falling in pretty regular.....one guy started the motor and fell in...boat circling him and he's trying to stay out of the way....
That could have been bad as we couldn't call for help,... being 2 mile up in a flowage bay.
So, Yeah, may be a good idea....but please tell your wife you love her BEFORE we head out....or she with Text them every few minutes.
Still annoying
Good points GPS never used in the woods stayed old school lensmatic compass and ranger beads. Just don't want to rely on technology. As for emergencys also a good point, but when I'm in the woods for whatever reason I prefer to rely on myself and deal with whatever/ however. I always leave a note where I'm at when I should return.
Batch
10-22-2017, 11:21 PM
I like taking things down to the lowest denominator. I learned friction fire. But, I like a lighter. I like cooking on an open fire. But, have some hitech grills. Most of my camping is zero amenities. One of the places we camp most often we lose cell coverage about 15 minutes after leaving the road. I would enjoy having cell service at least at camp. Which is about 35 minutes from the road. I would also by a VHF, but we are so flat and tree dense that you'd be stretching it to get 3 miles.
Phaedrus
10-23-2017, 01:53 AM
I guess I'm slightly conflicted. On the one hand I do go to the woods to get away from everything; my cell phone is a leash for me, and work always seems to try to yank it. Often I do short trips with my brother who seems to have his phone surgically attached to his hand. We'll be sitting by the campfire, me looking at the stars and him glued to Facebook.:chair: He's in his forties but acts like a teen with respect to phones, just has no concept of when it's appropriate. So it's nice to go somewhere without any cell service if he's coming along. Of course, a cell is a fantastic tool to have at times and it could save a life. Obviously I'm a big forum and internet guy but I find there's a time and a place for it.
hunter63
10-23-2017, 09:51 AM
I guess I'm slightly conflicted. On the one hand I do go to the woods to get away from everything; my cell phone is a leash for me, and work always seems to try to yank it. Often I do short trips with my brother who seems to have his phone surgically attached to his hand. We'll be sitting by the campfire, me looking at the stars and him glued to Facebook.:chair: He's in his forties but acts like a teen with respect to phones, just has no concept of when it's appropriate. So it's nice to go somewhere without any cell service if he's coming along. Of course, a cell is a fantastic tool to have at times and it could save a life. Obviously I'm a big forum and internet guy but I find there's a time and a place for it.
That's pretty much the way I look at it as well.......Well said.
JohnLeePettimore
10-23-2017, 10:15 AM
I guess I'm slightly conflicted. On the one hand I do go to the woods to get away from everything; my cell phone is a leash for me, and work always seems to try to yank it. Often I do short trips with my brother who seems to have his phone surgically attached to his hand. We'll be sitting by the campfire, me looking at the stars and him glued to Facebook.:chair: He's in his forties but acts like a teen with respect to phones, just has no concept of when it's appropriate. So it's nice to go somewhere without any cell service if he's coming along. Of course, a cell is a fantastic tool to have at times and it could save a life. Obviously I'm a big forum and internet guy but I find there's a time and a place for it.
"Well spoken, sir."
P.S. A virtual cookie for whoever can identify the source of the quote.
WolfVanZandt
10-23-2017, 10:36 AM
I know. Yer just tryin' to get me to use this Internet browser more'n I have to.
hunter63
10-23-2017, 10:46 AM
"Well spoken, sir."
P.S. A virtual cookie for whoever can identify the source of the quote.
......"Anonymous".....This guy is pretty smart, ...knows a lot of stuff......
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