For you new folks.

[Sarge47]

Every so often I feel the need to post one of these so bear with me. Every so often you'll read posts from new members that can't be taken seriously; here's some examples:

1.) The Noob that starts his post out by writing something like: "Hi! I HATE everybody! I HATE society! I can't find a job anywhere!(obviously.) Does anybody know where I can find free land to go and live on?

Of course if any of us knew where free land was we'd of already took it! Plus, if you hate everybody why are you talking to us?

2.) What's the best survival knife to buy?

We get asked this question a lot. The answer is what ever you already have. You're used to it, it's worked for you in the past. That's all you really need. If, however, you wish to up-grade then check out the "Knives and Blades forum," Google the names of knives that you find there, and go for it!

3.) Hi, I'm (12 to 16) years of age and I want to learn to survive!

Well, if you're alive right now, then you're surviving. If you want to learn how to enjoy and survive out in the wilderness and you're that young then try the Boy Scouts. Many of our members have been in that Organization and have learned a lot. Lacking that, find an outdoors group that will work with you, but be advised, most organizations require parental permission slips from minors. Sometimes they want to buy a knife and want our help. I refuse to help anyone with knife info that's under the age of 18.

4.) Sometimes we get the occasional troll that does a drive-by, throws a grenade, then runs off, only to never be heard from again. This is cause for a Wolf Pack feeding frenzy! WARNING! It's NOT pretty!

5.) The shy one:

This is a person who doesn't want us to know anything about themselves, but expects extensive, specific, personal information. They usually take it personal when we tell them that we need more info in order to give them the information that we need.

6.) The hard-headed troll.

This one doesn't go away on their own, A mod has to ban them! Oft-times they are mental cases and just enjoy verbally abusing others. They don't last long!

At the end of the day, do not fret, the mods have it all under control...that's why we make the Big $$$$!..:cowboy:

[hunter63]

Big $$$$$?????....Bhohahahaha

[alaskabushman]

Be nice to trolls. I was one once. But I came back. :eyepoke:

[1stimestar]

4.) Sometimes we get the occasional troll that does a drive-by, throws a grenade, then runs off, only to never be heard from again. This is cause for a Wolf Pack feeding frenzy! WARNING! It's NOT pretty!



It might not be pretty but it sure can be fun. :boxer: :fisticuffs:

[gryffynklm]

I say we double Sarge's pay.

[WolfVanZandt]

Actually, I think the mods here do an exemplary job.

I see three ways of dealing with trolls (that seem to work in the cyberplaces I've frequented.)

Entertainment - there's a line in the church that the devil hates being laughed at - but since they're there anyway, why not milk it for what it's worth.

Ignorement - (I made that word up - heh). Trolls want attention so the best way to get rid of them (except for the increasingly prevalent bots) is to very pointedly ignore them.

Therapy - at base, trolls have problems. Well adjusted people don't act like that. But I have taken some of them to task before and found seriously damaged people - sometimes, I've even been able to be helpful.

But, of course, an Internet forum isn't a place for counseling (I despise online counseling almost as much as I despise people like Dr. Phil) and therapy sessions interfere terribly with the regular business of most forums.

[Rick]

Actually, there's a 4th but you don't see it. We hunt them down and torture them for days. You should see the dungeon in Crash's basement...shoot....forget that last part.

[crashdive123]

But, of course, an Internet forum isn't a place for counseling (I despise online counseling almost as much as I despise people like Dr. Phil) and therapy sessions interfere terribly with the regular business of most forums.

Obviously you have a reason for saying that. Could you please share with the group what that is? :whistling::innocent::tt2::toomany:

[ninjasurvivor]

Why troll a survivalist forum of all places? Go to a religion or abortion or political website if you want to do that. Half the time I don't think the people are intentionally trolling. They are probably just clueless younger people who don't understand internet etiquette.

[Sarge47]

Why troll a survivalist forum of all places? Go to a religion or abortion or political website if you want to do that. Half the time I don't think the people are intentionally trolling. They are probably just clueless younger people who don't understand internet etiquette.

Howie Briton and "The wall of God."(complete with katana.)
The Freakin' Bear.
others whose names escape me right now. Like that guy with the Busse Battle Mistress knife who told us how to kill Anacondas...like green ones!

Sometimes these guys will come on here and seem perfectly normal for awhile, then go ballistic. Justin Case was a good example. Usually if they've been a benefit to the group we try to reason with them 1st, but if that fails then we hit "the ban button."

[crashdive123]

Why troll a survivalist forum of all places? Go to a religion or abortion or political website if you want to do that. Half the time I don't think the people are intentionally trolling. They are probably just clueless younger people who don't understand internet etiquette.
Not true. We are pretty tolerant of those that may be unfamiliar with forum etiquette, both young and old alike. We've gotten pretty good at recognizing and handling trolls and spammers.

[hunter63]

Even those the just post to disagree with what ever is being discussed.......and not adding anything to the conversation.

[pgvoutdoors]

I have said it before and I'll say it again; this forum has an abundance of information and many experienced people for members. It will take a little time to get a feel for everyone's personalities, just as if you joined the conversation of any group of people. You must always remember that a forum by its nature is a discussion of varying views which in most cases doesn't arrive at a consolidated final opinion. One piece of advice I would like to give new members is; don't feel obligated to respond to every thread. Choose what interests you, a positive and constructive comment has much more value than a off the cuff comment, especially when your new. New points of view is the life blood of any forum, we welcome you to take part.

[ninjasurvivor]

Howie Briton and "The wall of God."(complete with katana.)
The Freakin' Bear.
others whose names escape me right now. Like that guy with the Busse Battle Mistress knife who told us how to kill Anacondas...like green ones!

Sometimes these guys will come on here and seem perfectly normal for awhile, then go ballistic. Justin Case was a good example. Usually if they've been a benefit to the group we try to reason with them 1st, but if that fails then we hit "the ban button."
I've been banned from other forums in the past. I've found that the main reason this happens, at least to me, is when my ideas conflict with, or are perceived to conflict with, the collective culture the forum has cultivated. There's generally a base of "regulars" who get on everyday and refer to each other by first names and give one another virtual high fives ad nauseam. Much like a close clique of friends. Many times the only thing I did wrong was simply present a viewpoint that differed from the prevailing viewpoint of that forum's culture.

One time I posted my opinion (on a different forum) about something and the replies were stuff like "Shutup troll!" But isn't that type of response trolling in itself?! It serves no value but to incite the other person. Even saying that people post nothing that adds value to the conversation is itself a worthless contribution to the thread. Ironic? Hypocritical? Particularly if the person was actually explaining an idea, which while may not be agreed upon, was at least a developed thought that could be discussed further or simply ignored.

[crashdive123]

Rest assured that you will not be banned from this forum for posting an opinion that differs from others. You will be called out on information that you post that is wrong. In those cases it is usually the reactions that follow being told you are wrong that cause a banning.

Everybody here is free to disagree with anybody. It would be a pretty boring place if we all sang from the same sheet of music. However (and this is a big however) incorrect information, especially as it relates to many of the topics here under the heading of survival MUST be corrected. To not do so can cause somebody harm.

I don't think too many would care about incorrect information regarding what key Elvis sang Blue Suede Shoes in.

[Sarge47]

I've been banned from other forums in the past. I've found that the main reason this happens, at least to me, is when my ideas conflict with, or are perceived to conflict with, the collective culture the forum has cultivated. There's generally a base of "regulars" who get on everyday and refer to each other by first names and give one another virtual high fives ad nauseam. Much like a close clique of friends. Many times the only thing I did wrong was simply present a viewpoint that differed from the prevailing viewpoint of that forum's culture.

One time I posted my opinion (on a different forum) about something and the replies were stuff like "Shutup troll!" But isn't that type of response trolling in itself?! It serves no value but to incite the other person. Even saying that people post nothing that adds value to the conversation is itself a worthless contribution to the thread. Ironic? Hypocritical? Particularly if the person was actually explaining an idea, which while may not be agreed upon, was at least a developed thought that could be discussed further or simply ignored.

I don't consider you a troll and your opinions are welcomed here. When my opinions, or those of other members on here, disagree with yours that's okay as long as everyone remembers that it's okay to "attack the message, not the messenger." While I may feel that your opinion on a subject is foolish, I can't call you an idiot for it. The same goes for others on here. if someone on here were to say "Shut-up troll" to you for expressing an opinion that disagrees with one of theirs we simply go into that post, delete the phrase, and send them a nice warning via PM. Sometimes these members apologize, other times they lash back at the Mod, and then they're history.

BTW, I remembered the name of the weird former member with the big knife..."BLADE!" Hunter likes the Green Anaconda song thanks to him.....:w00t:

[hunter63]

Nooooo, Not the Green anaconda song!....I'm stuck on this for the rest of today....Thanks.....

[ninjasurvivor]

I was on some ninja forum several years ago. It was pretty bad. There was some good information but the number of posters was really low and they had some "interesting" personalities and backgrounds to say the least. We had a term called "ninjers" (nothing racist) to describe what most would classify as "mall ninjas".

Some of these kids would get on there and be like I wanna learn how to assassinate people and be invisible. This one kid wanted to kill the guy in Norway who massacred all those students at camp. Another kid I had to tell him not to mess around with poisons because he was going to get him and his friend put in jail for a really long time over stupid stuff. It gets kind of scary when these people take internet information and do god knows what with it in real life.

[WolfVanZandt]

Obviously you have a reason for saying that. Could you please share with the group what that is?

Quite a few, actually. And, first, let me say that the training for my career (I'm a retired disability specialist) is a Bachelors in social and industrial psychology and a Masters in rehabilitation and special education (the only difference from that and community counseling is that, with the later, you have a M.A. and with my degree you end up with a M.S.).

There are mechanisms that are supposed to take place in counseling (such as rapport building and transference) that I do not believe happens over the Internet or, if it does, you don't really know who's on the other end of the line. Are you even building rapport with a human?

The other big issue is confidentiality, which is at the center of ever code of ethics of every profession there is. I don't think I even have to address Dr. Phil's case when it comes to confidentiality. How can you assure confidentiality online? Because they tell you?

Now, there is a form of lay counseling that resembles crisis counseling that may have a place online but, even then, it's more like first aid than primary care.


Actually, there's a 4th but you don't see it. We hunt them down and torture them for days.

Perfectly acceptable, but my folks try to keep that on the down low.

Sarge, ya'll should have kept those around simply for their entertaining names.

Heh, I did a no-no once (unintentionally) and the mods sent me a polite note and I stopped. I have been banned from several sites and each time I considered it a badge of distinction. There are good individuals in the world and there are bad folks. Just so, there are good forums in cyberspace, and there are bad forums. Many forums are very cohesive and exclusionistic. The purpose of their existence is the association of people with very like minds and it's perfectly reasonable that a person without their world view should not be there - some sites are poisonous and it is perfectly reasonable that they should be walled off from the rest of us. Their site is like an abscess, the purpose of which is to keep the infection from spreading to the rest of the Internet. I have never been banned in a way that made me feel bad about myself.

Diversity is good but there are individuals who are toxic. I'm rather impressed with these folks ability to distinguish between the two.

[Rick]

I would suggest that your bans might have been caused by posting some thought as the be all end all or as gospel. You've done a lot of that here. The Char Cloth thread being the latest example. It's one thing to tell folks that's not for me or to even state that you don't think it's reliable but to insist post after post that your way is the only way hints that your experience may be more from reading that from doing. So far, you've been wrong a lot, which numerous folks have pointed out, but that doesn't slow you down. If you've been banned from multiple forums perhaps it's time to consider the problem may rest with you rather than the "collective culture".

Certainly not everyone and every forum are a good fit.

[ninjasurvivor]

I would suggest that your bans might have been caused by posting some thought as the be all end all or as gospel. You've done a lot of that here. The Char Cloth thread being the latest example. It's one thing to tell folks that's not for me or to even state that you don't think it's reliable but to insist post after post that your way is the only way hints that your experience may be more from reading that from doing. So far, you've been wrong a lot, which numerous folks have pointed out, but that doesn't slow you down. If you've been banned from multiple forums perhaps it's time to consider the problem may rest with you rather than the "collective culture".

Certainly not everyone and every forum are a good fit.
But if you were to go back and analyze my wording, you'd see that I'm not proclaiming myself right and others wrong, or saying my belief is the end all be all. In fact, YOU guys are the one INSISTING that I'm WRONG. Don't you see the irony and hypocrisy there?

Perhaps it's the fact that I put up a good case for my argument and defend it so it then becomes threatening to the opinions held by others. I've debated about religion before, for example. All I do is reveal scientific information. Then I'm rebutted with similar arguments to those we've seen here, accusing me of insisting that I am right. Even going as far as lashing out at me and calling me names, when I had done nothing but provide unbiased information. The reason this happens is that the ideas I am exposing people to are simply not what they want to hear.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably turn around and tell some mall ninja that he's wrong about something and become a hypocrite myself. Hypocrisy is hard to avoid for anyone. But honesty is the key to moving past all of that and keeping things in proper perspective.

[1stimestar]

No, but your insistence that you see no need for it, when others have repeatedly acknowledged that they understand YOU see no need for it, is getting a bit old.

[ninjasurvivor]

No, but your insistence that you see no need for it, when others have repeatedly acknowledged that they understand YOU see no need for it, is getting a bit old.
Yea, but it's kind of like me acknowledging your stance while telling you that I maintain my own. Then you reply that I shouldn't be maintaining it because it's wrong. In fact, nobody should be told they are wrong, when it is more effective to state the reason why what they are saying does not hold water. As far as that char cloth debacle, nobody ever stated why it is advantageous to carry it above other superior items. Yet I was still told repeatedly how wrong I was. Those are the types of things I'm talking about.

[cabingal4]

lol.i wonder which one i will be pegged as?
thanks for the guidelines.they are pretty funny.
alot of people move to the land and woods cause they dont like people hassles.
this is an awfully nice forum.thank u.:online2long:

[Rick]

YOU guys are the one INSISTING that I'm WRONG.

If one person tells you that you are wrong you're free to ignore them.
If two people tell you that you are wrong you might want to pause and think.
If three or more tell you that you are wrong you just might be wrong.


Somehow I get the impression if the sign said 30 miles to Denver and you were on your way to Chicago from Tulsa you'd believe the sign was wrong. Just sayin'......:ninja:

[Sarge47]

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably turn around and tell some mall ninja that he's wrong about something and become a hypocrite myself. Hypocrisy is hard to avoid for anyone. But honesty is the key to moving past all of that and keeping things in proper perspective.

Telling somebody that they're wrong is NOT hypocrisy...telling them that they are wrong and doing it yourself IS! Besides, hypocrisy is a human trait that we all share....I'm 67 years old and know a lot about the outdoors, both here in the mid-west as well as Colorado. However, even though Crash is younger than me, even though Rick is younger, broader, and looks better in a hong than I do, I still listen to them and have learned even more. If one of them tells me I'm wrong I may not like it, but then I settle down and try to figure out why they feel that way...it's called "learning."....:detective:

[Sarge47]

I was on some ninja forum several years ago.

There's....a....NINJA....Forum? Sheesh!...:innocent:

[randyt]

I was told once that I was wrong just to find out I was only mistaken. Well OK maybe more than once.

[hunter63]

I though I was wrong once in 1957....turned out I was wrong.

[crashdive123]

Yea, but it's kind of like me acknowledging your stance while telling you that I maintain my own. Then you reply that I shouldn't be maintaining it because it's wrong. In fact, nobody should be told they are wrong, when it is more effective to state the reason why what they are saying does not hold water. As far as that char cloth debacle, nobody ever stated why it is advantageous to carry it above other superior items. Yet I was still told repeatedly how wrong I was. Those are the types of things I'm talking about.

Let's look at this using your own posts. First off - the thread was about how one individual (who is no longer here to respond to any of us) makes char cloth. In your first post in that now ever so famous thread you said
The problem with char cloth is that it is not tinder. Which is, as you now realize I hope, wrong. You then went on to offer an alternative.
Why not just keep cotton and your sparking device on hand? A char tin full of cotton will last just as long, only you won't need dry tinder either, you can light sticks directly with the cotton.Nothing wrong with that, and probably is what a lot of people do. Then you veered off into advice for others
It's definitely not something you should carry out in the field to get your FIRST fire started.Which makes very little sense. First fire - third fire - what does it matter? You then veered into
They consider paper tinder too. It's also very difficult, if not impossible, to bring to a flame from a spark. I suppose this was an effort to reinforce YOUR idea of what is considered less than adequate tinder. A lot will depend on your ignition source. Talking strictly sparks - paper can work very well when properly prepared. So here it seems as though you are talking about something you read or saw in a vid, but have little practical experience with. Not trying to sound harsh, but paper does work - you just haven't done it yet, but your statement seems to be a definitive one. I don't understand your statement
I guess what I'm trying to get across is that char cloth is better served when used as a means to get future fires going once in the field. Not as something to start out with it. If it's not good for the first fire, why would it be good for future fires?
But it's not like you'll ever stumble upon flint in the wild and happen to have charcloth and a piece of steel on you. That's a completely unrealistic scenario. I would venture a guess that quite a few people here do exactly that. Without guessing, I personally know that several do.
First of all, fire making is a much ado about nothing situation. If you truly believe that, you are not prepared. Oh well, it was just a bit of a mental exercise for me to go back and read your postings. Take what others have to say to heart, or not - your choice.

[Sarge47]

lol.i wonder which one i will be pegged as?
thanks for the guidelines.they are pretty funny.
alot of people move to the land and woods cause they dont like people hassles.
this is an awfully nice forum.thank u.:online2long:

I'll tell you what you are young lady...a breath of fresh air...and that goes for your hubby as well!...:cool2:

[cabingal4]

thank u Sarge47.u are the best too.

[Gary O]

Do I hafta get the hose?

I love you both…..more

[Tokwan]

Hhahahaha..lol Sarge,...that's a good summary you posted up there. However, I am glad I came across this forum. I can sense the family like atmosphere. I ain't young no more, already 54 and next year , I will qualify in getting the Senior Citizen's discounts in Malaysia.
When ever I read any posts in the forums, I wear a smile on my face.
Have fun here everybody.

[Sarge47]

I wrote this blog entry once in a humorous mood, it's all tongue in cheek:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/entry.php?426-10-definitions-for-Noobs

:whistling:...:smartass:

[Tokwan]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....now tell me what is a HONG!

[1stimestar]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rick]

Ahem...(adjusts tie).....Glad you asked. Some folks on here, I won't name names, have stated quite forcefully that the use of the word "thong" shall never be used on the forum. Since I can't use the word "thong" (thank you B for your admonishments) I'm forced to used the word "hong". Technically, still staying within the bounds of Miss B's law. I just happen to have a picture somewhere around here...thousand words and all....let me see if I can find it..........

[BENESSE]

Neveryoumind the picture! Why don't you get a twinkie instead?:sneaky2:

[natertot]

No rick! Anything but another pic! I just got my eyesight back from the last one!!!!!!!

[Sarge47]

Tokwan, the hong is a WMD that has caused even the strongest grown men to fall to their knees weeping like infants! Women and children have been known to go mad after viewing it! One lady reportedly went blind! It got so bad that even Google has got on us about publicly posting the pic as it seems that their employees had to seek much psychiatric counseling afterwards, causing a financial hardship to the company. However, since you were stupid...er...uh...brave enough to ask I'm sending you a pic via PM!...:cowboy:

[ninjasurvivor]

In your first post in that now ever so famous thread you said char cloth is not tinder. Which is, as you now realize I hope, wrong.
I don't want to re-live that entire thread here, so I'll just comment briefly on a couple things related to this.I had already explained and qualified the semantics involved in describing char cloth as tinder. I had a good laugh to myself a day or two ago watching a Dave Canterbury video about using char cloth. He said that even with char cloth you still need additional tinder like a birds nest. But if char cloth itself was tinder, why would you need MORE tinder? That was the entire point I was making but apparently it was not getting through. It's kind of like how a knife can baton wood. A pocket knife is a knife, therefore, a pocket knife can baton wood. The logic doesn't work there, yet if you go by definitions and semantics it seemingly does.

You also failed to grasp the relevance of how char cloth is made and used to create fire AFTER you have already made your first fire. Clearly, you can't char material in the field without fire. So it would only be used, and should only be used, on your SECOND or subsequent fires. The whole point I was making, which you have clearly missed, is that there is no reason to start your first fire with char cloth if you had the ability to prepare it at home ahead of time and pack it in your kit. Just bring a lighter or fero rod if you are planning on bringing fire starters. That way you don't need to bring tinder (char cloth) and then go get ANOTHER type of tinder to actually get a flame going. It will save you time and energy.

[WolfVanZandt]

Now, now, folks - just like TV you have the option of turning it off if you don't want to see it - sorta like a train wreck, you don't have to look, do you? (heh heh heh).

[Rick]

You also failed to grasp the relevance of how char cloth is made...
The whole point I was making, which you have clearly missed...

Buhahahahahaha! Now that right there is funny I don't care who you are. God bless them little grasping and missing pygmies down there in New Guinea. Still trying to prove your unpopular point eh?

Hunter was right. The clock is ticking but it is kinda fun. Maybe if I play out more line.

[ninjasurvivor]

[/COLOR] Still trying to prove your unpopular point eh?

Yes. Nothing wrong with that. And in the face of no reasonable rebuttal, I'll assume my point stands. I don't have to be "right", I just have to show that what I was saying has validity. That's all.

[natertot]

This is quite the show! I need a refill on my popcorn......

[hunter63]

Yes. Nothing wrong with that. And in the face of no reasonable rebuttal, I'll assume my point stands. I don't have to be "right", I just have to show that what I was saying has validity. That's all.

Yup, Yup. Yup....(paying out more line)...one tends to stop talking about the 3rd or 4th time around....so if that a WIN in your mind, it will be your mind only......

[1stimestar]

http://youtu.be/CXbCY_yRWOc

[ninjasurvivor]

Well, as much as I'd like to beat this dead horse. My suspension on the other forum will be lifted later today so I'll probably be spending my time over there for the most part. I may stop back in here occasionally since I'm now a member.

I guess there's something about message board psychology that makes people oppose each other and argue mundane details. One thing I like over there is that people will have opposing viewpoints, as they do here. However, there's enough people participating that someone will usually join in and back up your point of view. The diehard ones will of course debate you till the cows come home, even if it turns into a multi-fronted argument with me and those who support my opinions. But it makes it much harder for them to claim you are the only one in the world with that opinion, when other random internet people are saying the same thing as you.

I've stated an opinion before, and naturally someone disagrees. Then somebody else agrees with me but has an even more hard-line belief, and the sparks really start to fly. I have to step back and they go at it, people start calling names, get banned--it gets crazy sometimes.

[WolfVanZandt]

O.o

Yep, more people. Get enough people together and someone will agree with you - the old monkeys on a typewriter thing. That oughta work.

Okay. I don't think there's any danger of anyone agreeing with you here, so maybe it'll be funner over there. Have fun.

[Rick]

I have to step back and they go at it,

I believe that's called an instigator. Good luck with that.

[1stimestar]

Would that be the ninja board?

[natertot]

I believe that's called an instigator. Good luck with that. [/COLOR]

perhaps that's the issue. Usually he can step back while others fight, here attention gets directed appropriately.....

[Rick]

Just another form of trolling. We've had them on here before. Anything to start a pizzin' contest then step back and watch. Only thing is, it doesn't work here. They usually get called out. Of course, they are fun to aggravate for a bit.

[ninjasurvivor]

Would that be the ninja board?Hahaha, no. There was a guy on the ninja board who ALWAYS disagreed with me. He said he was a millionaire and his brother was a billionaire (not sure how true that was). The site admin eventually stepped down, apparently to go conduct his own assassination missions (again, don't ask..). And the douchey guy who always argued with me was bequeathed control of the site somehow. I left after that. There wasn't much going on anyway. Besides, I took all that I learned with me and left what I shared for whomever follows in my footsteps.

I wouldn't say I stirred up or instigated trouble, for it abounds with or without me it seems. You think trolling is bad here...

[hunter63]

....take stick and poke......(little more line)

[1stimestar]

Trolling is NOT bad here. We have a nice group with nice newbies coming in. The ones who are not nice, don't stay long, one way or another.

[natertot]

You think trolling is bad here...

No, not really. We have good mods that take care of things pretty good around here. That being said, how much longer do you think you'll stick around?

[ninjasurvivor]

No, not really. We have good mods that take care of things pretty good around here. That being said, how much longer do you think you'll stick around?
Like I said, I'm heading off to the other forum later today. I joined here to fill the time during my two week ban there. It looks like there are only a couple threads in each section that get updated on a regular basis here. I need a little more content and stimulation than that. So I'll probably cruise through here infrequently and catch up on old threads and post if I see something interesting.

[crashdive123]

Goodbye and good luck with that.

[hunter63]

Good bye, and Good luck, ......try to be good this time over at the Ninja place....maybe they will let you stay for a while.

[DomC]

I knew who he was from another forum and wondered why he had "disappeared". I didn't mention about him cause I didn't wnat to start a scene. The forum he is returning to is "Troll Heaven" IMO. He must've really been a bad, bad little troll to get banned. Good thing it was for only 2 weeks and not indefinitely. Good riddance I say!

Dom

[hunter63]

You really didn't have to drop a dime on him.....kinda did that all by himself.

These things take care of them selves.

[1stimestar]

http://youtu.be/toFm4CkDaUE

[crashdive123]

Yep they do, but sometimes its fun to play with them. Sort of like a cat and a laser pointer.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052011/1306235375_cat_vs_laser_pointer.gif

[Sarge47]

I don't want to re-live that entire thread here, so I'll just comment briefly on a couple things related to this.I had already explained and qualified the semantics involved in describing char cloth as tinder. I had a good laugh to myself a day or two ago watching a Dave Canterbury video about using char cloth. He said that even with char cloth you still need additional tinder like a birds nest. But if char cloth itself was tinder, why would you need MORE tinder? That was the entire point I was making but apparently it was not getting through. It's kind of like how a knife can baton wood. A pocket knife is a knife, therefore, a pocket knife can baton wood. The logic doesn't work there, yet if you go by definitions and semantics it seemingly does.

You also failed to grasp the relevance of how char cloth is made and used to create fire AFTER you have already made your first fire. Clearly, you can't char material in the field without fire. So it would only be used, and should only be used, on your SECOND or subsequent fires. The whole point I was making, which you have clearly missed, is that there is no reason to start your first fire with char cloth if you had the ability to prepare it at home ahead of time and pack it in your kit. Just bring a lighter or fero rod if you are planning on bringing fire starters. That way you don't need to bring tinder (char cloth) and then go get ANOTHER type of tinder to actually get a flame going. It will save you time and energy.

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[Sarge47]

Ninja dude took his katana and headed off to where others with big knives camp? Is both Blade and Howie there? Oh man! (wipes away tear) He was so brilliant! I know cuz he kept reminding me! He told me that he was so bright his mommy called him "sun," or was that "son?" Anyway, enough of that! It's Miller time...cold brewskis anyone? I don't imbibe but I'll lift a glass of ice tea with ya!...:cowboy:

[Batch]

Can you teach and learn Ninjitsu on a forum? Just 15 more thread posts and I'll be a black belt! Keeeeyahhh!!! Oooops! I am a ninja, silent but deadly... :shuriken::whistling:

[hunter63]

Can you teach and learn Ninjitsu on a forum? Just 15 more thread posts and I'll be a black belt! Keeeeyahhh!!! Oooops! I am a ninja, silent but deadly... :shuriken::whistling:

I thought that was the sign of Fairly Agile Response Team.....F.A.R.T.....Silent but deadly, ...Oh wait,.. I hear snoring....Whoops, nap time I'm sorry.

[welderguy]

So Ninja survival dude took his toys and left?

[hunter63]

Said he would be back, maybe, to disagree with any number of subjects......
So far we know he doesn't like char cloth and compasses.......

[WolfVanZandt]

Our cats ignore laser pointers...

:P

Ninjas are supposed to be quiet and inconspicuous - maybe he was out during that part of the lessons.

[welderguy]

Said he would be back, maybe, to disagree with any number of subjects......
So far we know he doesn't like char cloth and compasses.......

Oh ok , I missed all that.

[welderguy]

Our cats ignore laser pointers...

:P

Ninjas are supposed to be quiet and inconspicuous - maybe he was out during that part of the lessons.

Or maybe he left so he can assassinate everyone that didn't agree with him :donatello:

[Rick]

Ninja - The very word conjures up fear. No, but seriously. He's gonna need a stain remover to get that spot out. Looks like ketchup.

http://www.troll.me/images/fat-ninja/fat-ninja.jpeg (http://www.troll.me/images/fat-ninja/fat-ninja.jpeg)

[DomC]

Ninja - The very word conjures up fear. No, but seriously. He's gonna need a stain remover to get that spot out. Looks like ketchup.

http://www.troll.me/images/fat-ninja/fat-ninja.jpeg (http://www.troll.me/images/fat-ninja/fat-ninja.jpeg)
LOL, now that's hilarious, wax on... wax off, yikes!!

Dom

[welderguy]

GAWD I HOPE he isn't wearing a hong under them fancy britches

[crashdive123]

GAWD I HOPE he isn't wearing a hong under them fancy britches

I hope we never find out.

[Sarge47]

I just gotta wonder what size the Ghillie suit was...5X? Hope he doesn't get lost heading to the Ninja forum since he doesn't use a compass....:ph34r: And here I was going to send him a ticket to see the new "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" movie...:donatello:

[WolfVanZandt]

There's a new Teen.......! Okay, I don't watch those. Really, I don't.....

<.<

>.>

[Tokwan]

I have decided not to interfere or else Sarge might send me one of those Hong pics again.....

[WolfVanZandt]

A very good decision (nods sagely)

[Wildthang]

I found our favorite Ninja on Youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j1-xQA_ufE

[Wildthang]

For the new folks:

Be prepared for a thread jack on any thread, and any subject.............that's all!

And dont go ninjin anybody that dont need ninjin:scared:

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