Survivalist Instructor Requirements?

[7whitewolf7]

What experience or classes do you guys think would be necessary to become an instructor for
any of the many Survival Schools out there? Make a list!
Put down which school you think would require what and we'll have quite the reference!

:chef:
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[Tokwan]

1, Experience in Jungle Survival
2, Sound Background in Jungle- maybe ex-military serving in the jungle
3, Recognized in certification

[Sarge47]

The ability to teach is paramount, the experience can be minimal if the ability to teach the principles is sound.

:cowboy:

[Grizz123]

The military has several different survival schools which specialize in different environments. Pick an environment and become an expert in the field.



The ability to teach is paramount, the experience can be minimal if the ability to teach the principles is sound.

:cowboy:

This is true for a school teacher or college professor but not for the survivalist trainer. School teachers and professors read a book and teach that book, no experience or skill set is necessary to teach 2+2=4. Sadly most of the business teachers have never had experience owning or running a business which is one of the reasons why this Country is doing so poorly today, but I'll save that rant for another day :sleep:

A survivalist trainer has read a variety of books on any subject, lived/survived in the environment he is teaching about for extended length of time on multiple occasions (if not a life style) and has the ability to pass on (teach) his skill set

Experience is the key in this field because there are too many variables that the students will be asking about which do not fall under "knowing the principles". For example, rubbing two sticks together to start a fire will not work without the proper materials, techniques and skill set (experience). The same holds true for hunting, fishing, trapping, building shelters, finding/drinking water, navigation, winter survival vs jungle vs desert vs whatever else, signaling, treating/preventing medical issues, threats in the area (snakes, bears, earthquakes, quicksand, deadly plants, etc...), clothing and the list goes on and on...

[Sarge47]

The military has several different survival schools which specialize in different environments. Pick an environment and become an expert in the field.




This is true for a school teacher or college professor but not for the survivalist trainer. School teachers and professors read a book and teach that book, no experience or skill set is necessary to teach 2+2=4. Sadly most of the business teachers have never had experience owning or running a business which is one of the reasons why this Country is doing so poorly today, but I'll save that rant for another day :sleep:

A survivalist trainer has read a variety of books on any subject, lived/survived in the environment he is teaching about for extended length of time on multiple occasions (if not a life style) and has the ability to pass on (teach) his skill set

Experience is the key in this field because there are too many variables that the students will be asking about which do not fall under "knowing the principles". For example, rubbing two sticks together to start a fire will not work without the proper materials, techniques and skill set (experience). The same holds true for hunting, fishing, trapping, building shelters, finding/drinking water, navigation, winter survival vs jungle vs desert vs whatever else, signaling, treating/preventing medical issues, threats in the area (snakes, bears, earthquakes, quicksand, deadly plants, etc...), clothing and the list goes on and on...

It has been my experience that students of any subject will usually wind up outdoing the instructor. An instructor who is very experienced but lacks the ability to teach their students is useless whereby an instructor who can both demonstrate the methods, with minimal field experience, and can embed the knowledge to their students will always do better....:nod:

[Sarge47]

The military has several different survival schools which specialize in different environments. Pick an environment and become an expert in the field.

I also don't feel that a lot of what the military has to offer is congruent with civilian survival needs, allow me to explain. My kid brother was in the 101st airborne and stationed in Panama during the Iranian hostage crisis. He was part of a "ready team" when the Shah of Iran was brought there for his safety. My brother was going through jungle training at that time, although he told me that he and his comrades were ready to strike Iran to free the hostages.

So when I visited him a while back with my son I impressed him with my ability to start a fire without using matches by using my Strike Force fire starter. I told him that I was surprised as he had military training and I would have thought that he would have known all about fire starting. What he told me next knocked me off my feet, so to speak. He said that the military NEVER allowed them to have fires as it could give their position away to the enemy! This is something that has reinforced what I have believed for a long time. There is a huge difference between the Boy Scouts and the U.S. Military. The Scouts are NOT a military organization. Where the military serves to protect our country by violent means and resulting in the taking of lives, the Boy Scouts are there to preserve the community by serving it in a positive way. Any good Scoutmaster can teach the basics of outdoor lore that will serve the student learning it very well in a given survival situation. You do not have to be experienced in using a Bowline knot, for example, by saving a life, just be able to teach someone how to tie the knot properly. Being properly prepared does mean practice, but not necessarily the actual use of the same in a real-life situation in the field...:cowboy:

[Grizz123]

It has been my experience that students of any subject will usually wind up outdoing the instructor. An instructor who is very experienced but lacks the ability to teach their students is useless whereby an instructor who can both demonstrate the methods, with minimal field experience, and can embed the knowledge to their students will always do better....:nod:

can you give an example of someone being experienced but not have the ability to teach?

[Sarge47]

can you give an example of someone being experienced but not have the ability to teach?

I have seen this in many areas, not survival as I am self-taught and have not used an instructor....:batman:

[Grizz123]

I also don't feel that a lot of what the military has to offer is congruent with civilian survival needs, allow me to explain. My kid brother was in the 101st airborne and stationed in Panama during the Iranian hostage crisis. He was part of a "ready team" when the Shah of Iran was brought there for his safety. My brother was going through jungle training at that time, although he told me that he and his comrades were ready to strike Iran to free the hostages.

So when I visited him a while back with my son I impressed him with my ability to start a fire without using matches by using my Strike Force fire starter. I told him that I was surprised as he had military training and I would have thought that he would have known all about fire starting. What he told me next knocked me off my feet, so to speak. He said that the military NEVER allowed them to have fires as it could give their position away to the enemy! This is something that has reinforced what I have believed for a long time. There is a huge difference between the Boy Scouts and the U.S. Military. The Scouts are NOT a military organization. Where the military serves to protect our country by violent means and resulting in the taking of lives, the Boy Scouts are there to preserve the community by serving it in a positive way. Any good Scoutmaster can teach the basics of outdoor lore that will serve the student learning it very well in a given survival situation. You do not have to be experienced in using a Bowline knot, for example, by saving a life, just be able to teach someone how to tie the knot properly. Being properly prepared does mean practice, but not necessarily the actual use of the same in a real-life situation in the field...:cowboy:

I was using the military as an example of different types of survival situations but failed to mention that the military's survival is based around not getting shot, captured and or killed which is a different type of survival situation we are not talking about in this thread.

[Sarge47]

I have, however, disagreed, via e-mail, with several "survival instructors" who run their own schools and have also authored several books on the subject. For instance I wrote one of these that I felt that putting a "survival knife" as a #1 priority item was wrong and that a !st aid kit should be #1 instead...not that it did me any good...:blush: However my opinion remains the same. Usually experienced instructors teach what has worked for THEM and not necessarily what is good for the student. While I admire what Cody Lundin teaches I would NOT attend his school as I feel it doesn't apply to me.

Let me ask you this, when have you ever seen any survival instructor teach survival methods to older, overweight people with severe medical problems? This is also a bone of contention with me....:nod: Why do they always focus on younger, more fit people?

[Grizz123]

I have, however, disagreed, via e-mail, with several "survival instructors" who run their own schools and have also authored several books on the subject. For instance I wrote one of these that I felt that putting a "survival knife" as a #1 priority item was wrong and that a !st aid kit should be #1 instead...not that it did me any good...:blush: However my opinion remains the same. Usually experienced instructors teach what has worked for THEM and not necessarily what is good for the student. While I admire what Cody Lundin teaches I would NOT attend his school as I feel it doesn't apply to me.


Like you said, the instructors teach what has worked for THEM. They do this because whatever they do is working for them and it should work for the student. Just because YOU think a 1st aid kit should be on top of the list does not mean everyone else should fall inline with you. In any survival situation I would rather have a knife and know how to use it instead of a bandaid, tweezers, and whatever else is in a 1st aid kit. BUT the 1st kit is and should be on everyones list, just not the first, most important item. That being said, if someone has a medical condition that requires a kit, than of course the kit should be 1st on the list




Let me ask you this, when have you ever seen any survival instructor teach survival methods to older, overweight people with severe medical problems? This is also a bone of contention with me....:nod: Why do they always focus on younger, more fit people?

The teachers teach to anyone who pays them regardless of weight or medical problems, within reason, I doubt they will push a 400# person to hike the hills without a medical release from Dr.. They are focusing on getting paid to teach their skills, its that simple...

[Sarge47]

Like you said, the instructors teach what has worked for THEM. They do this because whatever they do is working for them and it should work for the student. Just because YOU think a 1st aid kit should be on top of the list does not mean everyone else should fall inline with you. In any survival situation I would rather have a knife and know how to use it instead of a bandaid, tweezers, and whatever else is in a 1st aid kit. BUT the 1st kit is and should be on everyones list, just not the first, most important item. That being said, if someone has a medical condition that requires a kit, than of course the kit should be 1st on the list

Can you treat heatstroke with a knife? As for instructors using what has worked for them I'm reminded of the different attitudes in "Dual Survival." Cody went barefoot, it works for him. Should everybody go barefoot? 1st aid, in my opinion, is always #1. You have to be healthy in order to effectively use a knife.




The teachers teach to anyone who pays them regardless of weight or medical problems, within reason, I doubt they will push a 400# person to hike the hills without a medical release from Dr.. They are focusing on getting paid to teach their skills, its that simple...

Exactly! Money is of more concern to them than the needs of the student. Any unpaid Scoutmaster who has studied survival skills can teach just as effectively as an "experienced" instructor...maybe even better...:nod:

[hunter63]

Here what Cody Lundin has to say about choosing an instructor....
http://www.codylundin.com/choosing.html

From an interview with Cody....
http://masterwoodsman.com/2014/survival-entertainment-cody-lundin/

[Rick]

I don't see what value there is in a list of schools and what we THINK their requirements are. The requirements may or may not be accurate. If you would like to contact a number of schools and inquire as to what their requirements are then create a post detailing that information than that would be both valuable and accurate.

[oldsoldier]

I also don't feel that a lot of what the military has to offer is congruent with civilian survival needs, allow me to explain. My kid brother was in the 101st airborne and stationed in Panama during the Iranian hostage crisis. He was part of a "ready team" when the Shah of Iran was brought there for his safety. My brother was going through jungle training at that time, although he told me that he and his comrades were ready to strike Iran to free the hostages.

I was there just about the same time also attached to the 101st. I may have even trained with your brother.

[Sarge47]

Here what Cody Lundin has to say about choosing an instructor....
http://www.codylundin.com/choosing.html

From an interview with Cody....
http://masterwoodsman.com/2014/survival-entertainment-cody-lundin/

Thank you for this Hunter. Here's another thought, watch this video of a famous "survival instructor" and see if you would agree with what he carries in his bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgW4JMJ0Xuk

I like the bolt cutters myself!:glare:

[Grizz123]

Can you treat heatstroke with a knife? As for instructors using what has worked for them I'm reminded of the different attitudes in "Dual Survival." Cody went barefoot, it works for him. Should everybody go barefoot? 1st aid, in my opinion, is always #1. You have to be healthy in order to effectively use a knife.


How do you treat heat stroke with a first aid kit? You cant! You need shade, water and rest, two of those you can use a knife to acquire depending on your location



Exactly! Money is of more concern to them than the needs of the student. Any unpaid Scoutmaster who has studied survival skills can teach just as effectively as an "experienced" instructor...maybe even better...:nod:

Money is a concern because they still have bills that need to be paid, paid with money. What you don't understand is that they will not get more students to pay for their classes unless they teach what they know in a successful manner and the students pass on their success stories to their friends who then sign up for the classes.

The needs of the student are different for each student which is why taking more than one class is a good idea for everyone considering taking classes. And there is no way for one teacher to possibly cover all of those needs. It would be like asking a heart surgeon to teach laser eye surgery, both teachers are Dr's. but they each have their own speciality.

I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that a scout master can teach as much as an experienced survival instructor, especially one who lives the skills he teaches??? The scout master is not much more than a weekend warrior, they don't live what they teach because they have real jobs they need to go to in order to pay their bills. What you learn in scouting is more along the lines of camping, not survival.

[Sarge47]

Grizz I think you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Grizz123]

Thank you for this Hunter. Here's another thought, watch this video of a famous "survival instructor" and see if you would agree with what he carries in his bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgW4JMJ0Xuk

I like the bolt cutters myself!:glare:

Again, you need to find the teacher that best meets YOUR needs as an individual and what is good for one may not be good for the rest.

[Grizz123]

your the mod, not me. I'm done with this thread

[Sarge47]

The ability to teach is paramount, the experience can be minimal if the ability to teach the principles is sound.

:cowboy:

Getting back to my op, I did not mean to stray into an unproductive argument, not all who are heavily field experienced are "people friendly," and not all that teach know what they are talking about. I have found that many people pop up claiming to be "survival experts" and also claim to be instructors. It's not rocket science. If folks would just follow the Boy Scout Motto: "Be Prepared," then they will overcome. I posted a 6 part blog on survival based on the Boy Scout Fieldbook. Granted, there are many skills one can learn above and beyond the basic requirements. In Boy Scouts there are Merit Badges that can help teach a lot of this. I like Hunter's thread quoting Cody's article on picking an instructor, lots of good info there. I also agree with what Rick said about checking out the schools as not all teach the exact same thing. The person who loves the outdoors and spends a lot of time in it probably has more than enough experience and knowledge to survive almost anything. Then there are some scenarios where even the most experienced expert can fail and so lose their life. Flash floods and tornadoes are good examples...:nod:

[oldsoldier]

can you give an example of someone being experienced but not have the ability to teach?

I can.... ME!!! I spent 18 years in the army 1977-1995. During that time I attended every school I could, airborne ( jump school) air assault ( at Campbell) ranger school, sniper school, jungle survival school, mountain, artic, desert, and half a dozen more. I could still do okay in most if not all the environments. BUT to take someone without some frame of reference and teach them how to survive??? I couldn't.

Now if it was something more general like say edible/ medicinal plants, where I could take them on a "nature walk" and point out the plants and tell them what they're used for is a different matter. Same for say building a shelter, a fire, or purifying water yes.

[RangerXanatos]

I have, however, disagreed, via e-mail, with several "survival instructors" who run their own schools and have also authored several books on the subject. For instance I wrote one of these that I felt that putting a "survival knife" as a #1 priority item was wrong and that a !st aid kit should be #1 instead...not that it did me any good...:blush: However my opinion remains the same. Usually experienced instructors teach what has worked for THEM and not necessarily what is good for the student. While I admire what Cody Lundin teaches I would NOT attend his school as I feel it doesn't apply to me.

Let me ask you this, when have you ever seen any survival instructor teach survival methods to older, overweight people with severe medical problems? This is also a bone of contention with me....:nod: Why do they always focus on younger, more fit people?
When I attended the midwest school of bushcraft a couple of years ago, there was an older gentleman about 6'4" and 300lbs.

I spent a weekend with another 'survival instructor' that complainef about his back the whole time but did manage to dleep on the ground. Was going to do another weekend with him but he had to cancel for his back again.

I also attended the survival school medicin bow last year in which that instructor bummed his back as well. He lives on the property he teaches on so he didn't stay in the camp with us sleeping on the ground/hammocking and I don't blame him. We had to move some heavy items for our classes (a piece of pine trunk for a knife target and a hay bail for an arrow target) but he was sure to make sure we didn't hurt ourselves. Even though his back hurt, he would go on the trails on the mountains, crouch to his knees and cross cold mountain streams.

I have made threads about each of those visits. I believe that medicine bow was the most enjoyable and informative. The second was cheaper (free for me as it was truly a meetup I put together on another forum) and the first was put on by one of our very own members here.










Sorry if its a bad post. I'm not used to tapatalk, much less a smart phone.

[Rick]

Sarge, you and Old Soldier are both correct. There are just those folks in this world that have neither the patience nor the ability to communicate an idea to someone that is unfamiliar with the subject. That's not good or bad in my book it's just how they are. They will have many strong points that the best teacher in the land will fail at. That's what makes community so important and why we survive better in a clan than all alone. We can't be strong in every subject and we must rely on others to compensate for our weaknesses as we compensate for theirs. I believe the term is "synergy".

[Sarge47]

Sarge, you and Old Soldier are both correct. There are just those folks in this world that have neither the patience nor the ability to communicate an idea to someone that is unfamiliar with the subject. That's not good or bad in my book it's just how they are. They will have many strong points that the best teacher in the land will fail at. That's what makes community so important and why we survive better in a clan than all alone. We can't be strong in every subject and we must rely on others to compensate for our weaknesses as we compensate for theirs. I believe the term is "synergy".

Yes! Thank you Mr. Scoutmaster. I agree about "community." It's what the Scouting program has been about since it's inception...:nod:

[ElevenBravo]

Experience, salesmanship, the ability to teach, always be honest. If you have no certifications, tell them on day 1 minute zero...

I can teach a LOT of things, but Ive never been to SERE school, Im not a SEAL and Ive never been to combat. If I had a class, Id be self obligated to state that on the opening of my introduction. Otherwise, your a fraud.

EB

[Sarge47]

Ive never been to SERE school, Im not a SEAL and Ive never been to combat. If I had a class, Id be self obligated to state that on the opening of my introduction. Otherwise, your a fraud.

EBThose credentials are not necessary in training civilians. they are not congruant with the overall needs of the group....:1:

EB, I still remember that you tube vid you made showing the effectiveness of lifeboat matches, that was highly instructional!

[Batch]

Experience, salesmanship, the ability to teach, always be honest. If you have no certifications, tell them on day 1 minute zero...

I can teach a LOT of things, but Ive never been to SERE school, Im not a SEAL and Ive never been to combat. If I had a class, Id be self obligated to state that on the opening of my introduction. Otherwise, your a fraud.

EB

I can't see why you would say that stuff? Talk about what experience you have that is applicable to the class. Do not talk about or try an display skills you do not own.

A lot of students of wilderness survival are city folks who have watched some of these survival TV shows.

I have seen videos of "survival" instructors classes and what is taught in most is novelty. Lighting a fire with a ferro, building a shelter, boiling water in a water bottle. All useful skills. But, not something most need an instructor to learn.

But, the people who paid had their primitive survival camping trip with their kid.

As for Joe Teti's bag. It looks like some one helped him put a bag together and that most of the stuff had never been lugged or opened. 3 pairs of flex cuffs and bolt cutters make a rape kit. Those bolt cutters would not be of much use on most locks. Pry bars trump even big bolt cutters in entry. You can use even a small prybar or crew driver to open a car door jam enough to use the cars own antennae to unlock the car.

First aid kits vary greatly. Joe had a good point about covering his weakness. What is it in you FAK Sarge that if made to take just one item from it with you that you would take and why? What five items would you take from your kit?

[crashdive123]

A lot of good points made in this thread.

I agree with much of what has been said, especially Batch's point about not telling students what you don't know or what experience you don't have. Of course, if the question comes up be honest about it. Never BS your way through something like that. You will gain more credibility with your students if your reply is "I don't know, but I'll find out". When you follow-up with them after you find out, you gain credibility. If you don't, you lose a tremendous amount of it.

One of the things that I always instilled in my instructors was that THEY are the subject matter experts. They may not have all of the answers, but they could find them.

Teaching is the ability to convey information. Effective teaching is to be able to convey it in such a way that the students will learn it. People learn in different ways. Some people are verbal learners, while others are visual learners. If you have a class full of visual learners and all you do is lecture, they will retain or learn very little. It is the job of the instructor to determine the best way to convey it in such a way that they are able to learn it.

[Rick]

And a small percentage are tactile learners. They learn by doing. They can be taught even in a classroom using handouts. For fire making, for example, pass around a flint and steel or bow drill. The student that spends time looking at it and turning it over in their hands so they can view different angles are probably tactile learners. They are also the ones that will try to use it to see how it works. Just make certain they don't catch the classroom on fire. :pinch:

[Lamewolf]

The number one priority and requirement would be that the person has never watched Bear Grylls on TV !

[hunter63]

The number one priority and requirement would be that the person has never watched Bear Grylls on TV !

Any one with any brains can watch go old Bear, pick out all the BS and not be harmed by it all......
Those that take it all as bible, will hurt them selves.

Newbies that don't know any better are the one that we worry about.....but again Darwin's theory should remove those with no common sense from the gene pool.

[Sarge47]

The number one priority and requirement would be that the person has never watched Bear Grylls on TV !

The same holds true with Ruth Hawke...oops...sorry Hunter!...:2:

[hunter63]

I would hope that I had the common sense to know the difference.......But then again it IS Ruth we were talking about.

[Lamewolf]

Any one with any brains can watch go old Bear, pick out all the BS and not be harmed by it all......
Those that take it all as bible, will hurt them selves.

Newbies that don't know any better are the one that we worry about.....but again Darwin's theory should remove those with no common sense from the gene pool.

Allowing for Darwin's theory, its a wonder some folks are still alive ! LOL A few years back I came home from work to find a neighbor cutting a limb off a tree with a chainsaw while sitting on the limb and cutting between himself and the tree. I start waving my arms and yelling at him and he couldn't hear me so he shut the saw off and I tell him to look where he is cutting. He looks down with a puzzled look and then his eyes get real big and he looks at me with a sick look on his face. He was about 30 feet up at the time and lucky I came by when I did - a few minutes more and he would have learned a lesson the hard way !

[hunter63]

911 has been trying hard to destroy Darwin's Theory.....rescue Dumas's and keep them in the gene pool......

[Rick]

I worked with one of them. I'm sure you folks have too. All of those warning labels that you find on tools we referred to a (last name) labels. I'll be nice and not say his last name. He once used a nail gun to fasten a piece of wood to a deck..with his fingers in between. The hammer was about 3 inches beyond his fintertips. He stayed there in agony about 20 minutes until someone came along and helped him. Mind you, he told this story on himself.

I said, "Could you reach the hammer with your foot?"
He said, "Damn."

He was always doing crap like that. We accused him of a having a "cash back" medical insurance card.

[welderguy]

can you give an example of someone being experienced but not have the ability to teach?

Ive been welding since I was 16, I cant teach someone how to weld, I dont have the patience or the mind set to do so.

[LowKey]

Thread kinda sorta strayed of topic hasn't it?
Some of the "survival schools" have a requirement that "instructors" pass any number of courses within the school before they can teach.
Some schools have advanced courses that aren't even on the course list taught by experts in the area where they are "surviving" or living.
Not gonna mention the one school I know of, not well received here. I haven't taken the courses myself but know someone more than on his way to instructor status doing mountain time among natives in norther climes in all seasons. He's done a few assistantships on winter trips. Love the stories of the city folk that didn't realize how much wood you need to cut to stay warm all night. "That's a lot of work!" Or the number of times they had to do extra work cuz attendees were just unable. Or dealing with the ones that have the fancy hiking gear that freeze their knickers off cuz they didn't listen when they were told "It's rainy and it's cold. Bring wool."

[ElevenBravo]

I can't see why you would say that stuff?

I insist you say what is true in the start... It is PUBLIC knowledge now with the news media and such, that a lot of these "experts" have expanded there resume into the realm of outright lying.

Anyone with a gnat's brain would be cautious, being honest up front IMHO would bring a level of confidence that the instructor will give an honest effort to do right by the student and teach within there scope of knowledge rather than try to be a show off.

Its my matter of opinion, that is all..
EB

[Batch]

I insist you say what is true in the start... It is PUBLIC knowledge now with the news media and such, that a lot of these "experts" have expanded there resume into the realm of outright lying.

Anyone with a gnat's brain would be cautious, being honest up front IMHO would bring a level of confidence that the instructor will give an honest effort to do right by the student and teach within there scope of knowledge rather than try to be a show off.


Experience, salesmanship, the ability to teach, always be honest. If you have no certifications, tell them on day 1 minute zero...

I can teach a LOT of things, but Ive never been to SERE school, Im not a SEAL and Ive never been to combat. If I had a class, Id be self obligated to state that on the opening of my introduction. Otherwise, your a fraud.

EB



Its my matter of opinion, that is all..
EB

Do not imply you have skills you do not have was my point. Why would you say you are not an expert helicopter pilot if you are not a helicopter pilot at all?

[Rick]

'Cause it gets girls, silly. And...apparently a gig on survival TV shows.

[Batch]

Yeah, I guess if you wear tactical clothing or military style clothing and try and imply through your talk or actions that you are on the level of an elite military operator. Then you might have to make an announcement that while you do consider yourself bad ***, that you have never actually done anything. So, you first imply by using military like lingo and trying to carry yourself as something your not and then deny?

I have no military experience, I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the communist party, I am not an international drug smuggler or arms dealer.

Kinda makes for a long introduction.

Hi I'm Batch and I have been an avid camper, hiker, hunter and fisherman for 40 years. During that time I have acquired some skills that we will learn this weekend.

I don't understand the need for even mentioning something unless you carry yourself in a way where you are trying to imply.

In fact I would say that combat training would be left out of the conversation even if you were a Special Forces soldier. Unless you were teaching combat. It would be sufficient to name the specif schools you would have gone through that specifically had a bearing on the skills your teaching in class. Why would you mention that you had gone through jump school or that you were certified in open water scuba 2 or that you weren't for that matter? If it had absolutely no bearing on the topic you were covering.

[ElevenBravo]

Hi I'm Batch and I have been an avid camper, hiker, hunter and fisherman for 40 years. During that time I have acquired some skills that we will learn this weekend.

I don't understand the need for even mentioning something unless you carry yourself in a way where you are trying to imply.


That makes more sense to me, I understand better what you were trying to communicate...
EB

[oldsoldier]

Ive been welding since I was 16, I cant teach someone how to weld, I dont have the patience or the mind set to do so.

Aww.... come on man. Here I was planning to ask you if I could come for a visit and weldin school

[oldsoldier]

Sarge, you and Old Soldier are both correct. There are just those folks in this world that have neither the patience nor the ability to communicate an idea to someone that is unfamiliar with the subject. That's not good or bad in my book it's just how they are. They will have many strong points that the best teacher in the land will fail at. That's what makes community so important and why we survive better in a clan than all alone. We can't be strong in every subject and we must rely on others to compensate for our weaknesses as we compensate for theirs. I believe the term is "synergy".

completely agree. While I consider myself a jack of all survival and a master of none. While I know just a little bit about most aspects of survival I admit that I don't know nearly enough about most of them to go it alone or with just the wife.

[welderguy]

Aww.... come on man. Here I was planning to ask you if I could come for a visit and weldin school

Hahaha your welcome to come visit but im not sure how much schooling you would get LOL

[oldsoldier]

Hahaha your welcome to come visit but im not sure how much schooling you would get LOL

Trust me! I've tried learning to weld several times. I finally gave up for the sake of my instructors sanity and the fate of the free world. Which I hate cause I've never gave up on anything I've tried to learn. I can use a plasma torch and cut the prettiest straight line. I can use an acetalyne (sp?) torch with the best of then. I can soilder the smallest of electronic cables and components, But weld no way.

[hunter63]

Well don't feel bad....my welding beads have been called "Cold turd on a rock".....I share your pain.

[Rick]

About the longest lasting welds I've done were two tiny pieces of slag on a watch. Of course.

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