Priorities and such.

[Sarge47]

I've made mention a number of times how I totally dislike threads that start out "if you could only take one thing out in the field, what would it be?" However, in his book: "Stay Alive..." written by forum member John D. McCann, he starts out his chapter on Survival knives stating that if he could only have one thing it would be his knife. I sent him a friendly e-mail stating that I disagreed. I would choose a 1st aid kit as it's a lot easier to fashion a cutting edge in the wilds than it is too make a medical kit. Of course I'd never be stupid enough to limit myself to just one item, I'd follow Dave Canterbury's "5...or even 10 C's" to be carried with me in the field. However this got me to thinking about priorities; how do you prioritize your gear? This should prove interesting....:1:

[welderguy]

1. water purification
2. fire
3. knife
4. medical
5 shelter

[kyratshooter]

Been a long time since we did a top 1/2/3 or even a top 4/5

I have to disagree with you on this one Sarge.

I do not wake up every morning, put on my pants and drop a first aid kit in my pocket!

I want my knife.

My first priority is not going to be something I hope to NOT USE.

knife
water purification
fire gear
cook pot
poncho/tarp

[welderguy]

@ hunter I see our top three are the same items but different priority

[Rick]

Actually, I don't look at it that way. I figure it depends on what situation you find yourself in as to what you need and that will change from moment to moment so all of them are important. I set up my priorities by making certain I have the 10 essentials covered. Every item will be a priority at some point and under the right conditions. The last thing I do when I set up my pack is review the 10 Es and make certain my pack has them covered.

[RangerXanatos]

It actually depends on what I'm doing. My number one regardless of where I'm going, what I'm doing, or how long I'm going to be out is my clothing. Common sense should be able to dictate this, but we've all seen someone not dressed appropriately while out in the woods or even on the street for that matter. After this, let's say doing a short trail and don't expect to be out for long, my top three in priority would be knife, water, fire. If I was expecting to be out for an extended stay it would change order to water, fire, shelter. I've noticed that while camping, the main use of my knife has been to make tent stakes and feather sticks. How much do you really NEED to use the knife for when you're carrying water, food, shelter, cordage, etc on your back? Do you need a knife to strike a bic or firesteel? No. Do you need a knife to build a debris shelter? No. Do you need a knife to make cordage? No. But why is a knife first when out on a short trail? I may want to whittle. Do I NEED it to enjoy my time outdoors? No.

This shelter was made using not a single tool. A blade wasn't needed. Could it have helped? Yeah, to cut the support rods to a more even length but a tarp would have been a lot easier in making a shelter than any blade.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u3/rangerxanatos/Crafts/DSCF3899_zps35c40226.jpg (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/rangerxanatos/media/Crafts/DSCF3899_zps35c40226.jpg.html)


But that is just in my area. Location is key. A person in arctic regions would probably want fire first in just about all scenarios, while a person in the desert wants water, and then another in the jungle wants their blade of choice.

[hunter63]

@ hunter I see our top three are the same items but different priority

Actually that's Kyrat's list.....But I can't find a better order than that.....so yeah....

knife
water purification
fire gear
cook pot
poncho/tarp

I might switch around water purification with fire gear.

Gotta say after watching some of the Naked and Afraid shows....seemed the more successful couples had knife/machete and fire making gear.
That was kinda of telling.

Clothing or as most would see it, "First layer of shelter".......and if done properly may reduce the shelter requirement.
So tarp/poncho is right in there.
As is pot or container.....

This also bring up the ability to "take the cold or heat".....or need for shelter.
Try to sleep all night....naked....I don't care where, or what temp.....but I have to tell you that is tough....Sorry that's another future thread maybe.

So Sarge, I do see your point.....packing something that can't be gathered or made.... I have to disagree....I'll cover "needs" first, then the "maybe needs"

[Sarge47]

Gotta say after watching some of the Naked and Afraid shows....seemed the more successful couples had knife/machete and fire making gear.
That was kinda of telling.
So Sarge, I do see your point.....packing something that can't be gathered or made.... I have to disagree....I'll cover "needs" first, then the "maybe needs"

On "Naked and afraid," every time there was a 1st aid need the production crew took care of it...and that did happen several times.

Maybe? Dysentery? Diarrhea? I remember an episode of "Survivorman" where Les imitated an arm injury. Anywho, I'm enjoying reading all the responses and I'm sure that there are many inexperienced outdoors folks learning from this.....:smartass:

[JohnnyP]

In the area which i live, and am most likely to be out in, there are two things in abundance. Water in the form of flowing creeks is common and when i was a teenager we drank from them while out hunting. At the time i recall being able to smell the DDT used in the adjoining cotton fields. Maybe what killed the Boll-weevils took care of the bacteria in the water because we never got sick. :) The other common thing is trees. Hardwood and pine trees are everywhere. That would cover shelter and fuel for fires. Although upland game as well as whitetail deer are plentiful it is unlikely you would starve before being rescued. Wearing clothing to match the weather conditions is something that must be practiced religiously. So ruling out cell phone service, a SAT phone or a PLB the following is a five item kit list in order of importance.

Bic lighter
Sawyer Mini Water Filter
Poncho
Knife
Flashlight

[Sarge47]

Actually, I don't look at it that way. I figure it depends on what situation you find yourself in as to what you need and that will change from moment to moment so all of them are important. I set up my priorities by making certain I have the 10 essentials covered. Every item will be a priority at some point and under the right conditions. The last thing I do when I set up my pack is review the 10 Es and make certain my pack has them covered.

I totally agree...let's look at those right now:

Updated Ten Essential "Systems"

Navigation (map and compass)
Sun protection (sunglasses and sunscreen)
Insulation (extra clothing)
Illumination (headlamp/flashlight)
First-aid supplies
Fire (waterproof matches/lighter/candles)
Repair kit and tools
Nutrition (extra food)
Hydration (extra water)
Emergency shelter

Classic Ten Essentials

Map
Compass
Sunglasses and sunscreen
Extra clothing
Headlamp/flashlight
First-aid supplies
Firestarter
Matches
Knife

Extra food

Please note #5 in the 1st list and #6 in the 2nd!...:smartass:

[Rick]

I'm a classic guy myself. I have some disagreements with the new and improved list.

[hunter63]

On "Naked and afraid," every time there was a 1st aid need the production crew took care of it...and that did happen several times.

Maybe? Dysentery? Diarrhea? I remember an episode of "Survivalman" where Les imitated an arm injury. Anywho, I'm enjoying reading all the responses and I'm sure that there are many inexperienced outdoors folks learning from this.....:smartass:

True as that maybe.....The kind of aid required wasn't some thing that even a experienced outdoors person would have the know how to use, carry or even have access to....Unless they were a Doctor.

[Rick]

I don't know that I agree with that. I know in one show the guy drank raw water and got sick. If you carry a broad spectrum antibiotic, like we've talked about in other threads, that's a good place to start. Short of something really major like a gunshot, heart attack or out of bacon you should be able to handle it with what you carry or be able to improvise (splint for example). Of course you don't drink raw water unless it's a last resort either. Dead man walkin' kinda thing.

[hunter63]

There are members that carry an extensive FAK, I'm aware of ...but I'm guessing that most carry the basic, bandages/wraps, disinfectant, antibiotic, aspirin, antihistamine...type of thing.

[welderguy]

Actually that's Kyrat's list.....But I can't find a better order than that.....so yeah....

knife
water purification
fire gear
cook pot
poncho/tarp

I might switch around water purification with fire gear.

Gotta say after watching some of the Naked and Afraid shows....seemed the more successful couples had knife/machete and fire making gear.
That was kinda of telling.

Clothing or as most would see it, "First layer of shelter".......and if done properly may reduce the shelter requirement.
So tarp/poncho is right in there.
As is pot or container.....

This also bring up the ability to "take the cold or heat".....or need for shelter.
Try to sleep all night....naked....I don't care where, or what temp.....but I have to tell you that is tough....Sorry that's another future thread maybe.

So Sarge, I do see your point.....packing something that can't be gathered or made.... I have to disagree....I'll cover "needs" first, then the "maybe needs"

Oppps sorry LOL

[Sarge47]

I have many FAKs in many different sizes. My favorite is one packed in the Condor Rip-away medical pouch. I got the idea from Rick, but check this one out that FinallyMe made:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?22848-My-first-aid-kit&highlight=condor+pouch

Scroll down this page to see what both Crash and Rick use for IFAKs:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?16653-First-Aid-kit-question-What-s-in-the-next-level-amp-next


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[Wildthang]

1.Map
2.Compass
3.Sunglasses and sunscreen
4.Extra clothing
5.Headlamp/flashlight
6.First-aid supplies
7.Firestarter
8.Matches
9.Knife
10. Cook pot or canteen cup
11. Poncho liner or wool blanket

Now it is the perfect list!

[Phaedrus]

How much do you really NEED to use the knife for when you're carrying water, food, shelter, cordage, etc on your back? Do you need a knife to strike a bic or firesteel? No. Do you need a knife to build a debris shelter? No. Do you need a knife to make cordage? No. But why is a knife first when out on a short trail? I may want to whittle. Do I NEED it to enjoy my time outdoors? No.

This shelter was made using not a single tool. A blade wasn't needed. Could it have helped? Yeah, to cut the support rods to a more even length but a tarp would have been a lot easier in making a shelter than any blade.

I'm a knife nerd and all around sharpening junkie, but I think there's some wisdom in what RangerX says. There are lots of things that a knife is very useful for, maybe even necessary for. But short term wilderness survival probably isn't one of them. Like many of you I use my knife to baton wood for kindling but it's more for fun than out of necessity. You can generally break small wood to length quite easily, and most of the time it's possible to find dry tinder without batonning. Realistically a knife isn't very useful for big wood. If you had literally nothing on you in the wild you could still build a shelter as shown above. If a knife was the only possession you had it probably wouldn't be very helpful to start a fire. It's handy for processing game if you cant obtain it.

Now, for boating a knife might save your life, or if you're trapped in a car. A knife can get a rope or line, or cut a seatbelt, or maybe break a window out if your car is underwater. But that's not really something that comes up in just plain wilderness settings.

It's fun to make lists and it can be very thought provoking; it's a good way to help you think about survival. But I think a tarp would probably save more lives than a knife if you could only have one thing. Or a good lighter. Of course, a well prepared person will have all the thinks they might really need in an emergency. Be prepared!

[hunter63]

Yeah, you are mostly correct.....make a list, get gear, get pack, pack gear.....adding more and more even a "If you could only take one..." list turns into "only 3, then only 10....and even a list of 10 turns into 12.....Now it too big and heavy to carry so you don't carry it anymore.....

Then you start over.....
I don't find anything wrong with that.....Yes it's gets you thinking, learning ideas, trying new thing....and even adding new gear.

I guess we could play pool, bet horses....or go out into the yard, park, wilderness....and TRY IT......

Then when Murphy strikes as he always does....you whip out your "what ever".....and rejoice....I GOT THIS...(Priceless and alive)

[wilc53]

Hi folks, my first post here. I pack according to location but my basic list is :
Navigation
SOG Tomahawk
Fire kit (includes a firesteel, cotton balls in fat and ground fireateel rod and knife
All steel water bottle with 25 ft cord attached and purification tabs.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

[Sarge47]

Hi folks, my first post here. I pack according to location but my basic list is :
Navigation
SOG Tomahawk
Fire kit (includes a firesteel, cotton balls in fat and ground fireateel rod and knife
All steel water bottle with 25 ft cord attached and purification tabs.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

It's considered rude to just pop in with a post like yours without an "intro." Here's something that can help:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?7813-Posting-Your-Introduction... (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?7813-Posting-Your-Introduction...:cowboy:)

:cowboy:

[hunter63]

wlic...Hunter63 saying Hey and Welcome.

[Tokwan]

Hey...Sarge 47 said if its the one thing...Only 1 thing...I would go for my knife.
Why? I use a Mora knife witha ferro rod..so that means I take one thing with me, and still can make fire..
Now if its too things?
I would say my Mora knife and my tarp...!!!

[Tristar777]

Hi. I have to go with Sarge on this. Most (not all) survival situations in the wilderness start with or soon have a First Aid/medical situation. Therefore a good med kit is my first choice. 1. Get out of harms way. 2. Treat injury. 3. Evaluate your situation and resources. Then Id start to look at shelter, water etc.

[Grizz123]

Hi. I have to go with Sarge on this. Most (not all) survival situations in the wilderness start with or soon have a First Aid/medical situation. Therefore a good med kit is my first choice. 1. Get out of harms way. 2. Treat injury. 3. Evaluate your situation and resources. Then Id start to look at shelter, water etc.

Most (not all) survival situations start with being lost.

If you find yourself in a first aid situation that turns a hike/day in the woods into a survival situation, what can be carried in a med kit that will help you? What can be carried to set a broken bone? What can be carried to treat a head injury (concussion).

If a person has allergies or illness requiring medications, than of course they need to carry those meds on their adventure. A med kit should not be forgotten or left off a list but its not as important a knife, fire starting, water or shelter

Please list what is in your med kit that makes it such a high priority for you guys? Also, how many times have you been "lost" in the woods and happened to find your way out vs seriously injured and needing medical attention while in the woods

[ninjasurvivor]

Most (not all) survival situations start with being lost.

If you find yourself in a first aid situation that turns a hike/day in the woods into a survival situation, what can be carried in a med kit that will help you? What can be carried to set a broken bone? What can be carried to treat a head injury (concussion).

If a person has allergies or illness requiring medications, than of course they need to carry those meds on their adventure. A med kit should not be forgotten or left off a list but its not as important a knife, fire starting, water or shelter

Please list what is in your med kit that makes it such a high priority for you guys? Also, how many times have you been "lost" in the woods and happened to find your way out vs seriously injured and needing medical attention while in the woods
Like Dave Canterbury says, you don't need a first aid kit at that point, you need a helicopter.

It depends on your FAK. If you have heavy trauma treatment or something to that effect. Being able to clean, close, and bandage an open wound can be important, even if it is not immediately life threatening.

Last spring I fell down a mountain and hit my head and face, among other injuries. I had a little first aid kit. Fortunately my companion had a frozen bottle of water which was half frozen at that point. The ice was used on my head to minimize the swelling. A bandaid was put on my arm where I was bleeding. I would've made it off that mountain without any of it, but injuries in the field are unpredictable so it is good to have at least some measure available to treat them.

[Sarge47]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against having a knife. I probably own more knives than most forum members. My EDC is an SAk, Victorinox Explorer that hangs from a Boy Scout belt via the older brass knife clip. It's just that I think that there's an "over-dependency" on having a fixed-blade knife above everything else. A well prepared 1st aid kit should carry aspirin for reducing fever, antibiotic cream to prevent cuts becoming infected, safety pins, and so on. Of course if you suffer a leg injury out in the wilds and it gets gangrene, I suppose it would be good to have a big knife to amputate the infected limb. I don't know about you, but if I were ever to be injured in the outdoors and I'm with somebody else, I would rather they have a FAK and the medical know-how to treat me than just have a knife....:ohmy:

[Sarge47]

Here is just one of many stories that show why 1st aid gear and knowledge is so important:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Sioux_Scout_Ranch

:smartass:

[Rick]

Just be aware that water purification tablets are NOT affective against Cryptosporidium or viruses. Boiling, filtration and UV light are the only methods of killing/eliminating the crypto oocysts.

[DomC]

Proper clothing is top priority in my list, followed by knife, combustion device, container, cordage, fak, compass, flashlight. Statistics show that hypothermia/hyperthermia kill more than any other factor in survivability. Mother nature has no conscience...

DomC

[ninjasurvivor]

Wearing the best clothing possible is obviously ideal, but it can only do so much. If you are sitting or laying still, clothing generally won't keep you warm. You need blankets or fire too.

If I had the ability I would filter then boil my water. Filtering or using tablets would be in an emergency situation only.

[Rick]

I've filtered water for a long time and never had any problems. They are for everyday use not just emergencies. I can produce a lot of potable water in a very short amount of time with my filter. I can fill my containers and be down the path while you are waiting for your water to boil. Then you have to wait for it to cool.

[ninjasurvivor]

I've filtered water for a long time and never had any problems. They are for everyday use not just emergencies. I can produce a lot of potable water in a very short amount of time with my filter. I can fill my containers and be down the path while you are waiting for your water to boil. Then you have to wait for it to cool.
Depends on the filter. Some people can drink unfiltered water straight from the source and never have problems. The filter only strains out a certain micron level, so if there is bacteria and its below that level, it will get through. It could hurt you if that is the case.

[Rick]

Well, I guess. Most reputable filters will filter everything larger than .2 micron. Some even smaller. That's sufficient enough to filter out everything except viruses.


Some people can drink unfiltered water straight from the source and never have problems.

Those are called very lucky people. It certainly has nothing to do with their metabolism. They just had clean water. Not many water sources are clean enough to drink from. Most of those are springs. But not knowing can make you ill. While boiling is a sure method and universally excepted filters can save you a lot of time and fuel if you happen to be carrying isobutane. On most, you can pump somewhere around half a liter a minute.

[Sarge47]

Well, I guess. Most reputable filters will filter everything larger than .2 micron. Some even smaller. That's sufficient enough to filter out everything except viruses.



Those are called very lucky people. It certainly has nothing to do with their metabolism. They just had clean water. Not many water sources are clean enough to drink from. Most of those are springs. But not knowing can make you ill. While boiling is a sure method and universally excepted filters can save you a lot of time and fuel if you happen to be carrying isobutane. On most, you can pump somewhere around half a liter a minute.

Imodium! It get's the brown out! And it's easily carried in a 1st aid kit, btw. I carry some in all of mine!...:smartass:

[ninjasurvivor]

I'd trust my water filter I guess. Its a .2 micron. My main fear has always been chemical contaminants, which boiling nor filtering protects you against. But I would still probably rather boil it since maybe it might cook some of the bad stuff off or neutralize it, I dunno tho.

I knew a guy who was on a project by a lake and got thirsty. He said he just took a small hand full from a "clean looking" area. His skin later turned yellow and he lost a bunch of weight and was hospitalized for like two months as a result.

You could probably consume man made poisons and get through the ill-effects quicker and with less damage than you would with nasty biological ones. I'm amazed at how animals can live their whole lives drinking unfiltered water, often times from sources that are extremely sullied and contaminated up the wazoo.

[Rick]

Heavy metals will stay with your water unless you run it through an evaporative still. Some filters do have an activated charcoal filter that will remove organic contaminants such as pesticides, benzene or metals like lead, mercury and copper. I've recently upgraded to a Steripen since it kills viruses as well and is a lot quicker than even pumping. It just doesn't remove the organics.

[LowKey]

I'm an old list kind of guy. If I had to follow the new list, the "tool kit" would contain a "knife."

I have different first aid kits in different locations.
What all else I elect to carry depends on where I'm going.

The home first aid kit is a full trauma kit, centrally located and easy to access.
There are other various first aid supplies scattered around the house; the bathrooms, downstairs in the "shop", out in the garage... Home is a Bug In location.

The truck has the next largest FAK (which reminds me it is time to check it and change it.) It includes the quikclot and the instant cold compresses, hand warmers, and some larger compression bandages plus all the little stuff including Immodium, bug spray and 50spf sunscreen. There is another bag in there that's a GHB that is packed for the season (May/October). It has the firestarter (hurricane matches in a tube,) light, compass, special overland map to get home, various other sundries and a poncho. The leatherman is always on my belt.

My work desk has a slightly smaller FAK that goes on site with me when I'm on a crew and not with my own truck. It doesn't have some things it should and needs to be re-evaluated. While I trust the trauma kits we have at the shop to be kept up to snuff, the onsite kit in the roadbox might be on the other side of the jobsite. Most jobsites for me are local and I take my own vehicle when I can. The leatherman is always on my belt.

My fishing first aid kit is much smaller but still will take care of a non-life threatening knife wound (steri-strips are wonderful things,) greenhead bites, or an embedded hook (a small pair of end nippers included.) It really stinks being a mile out on a sandbar beach in the middle of a nice fishing day and have to trudge back to the truck right away cuz you did something stupid and didn't have a kit. I already have the knife, hurricane matches, and the poncho in the tackle pack. I use a light hiker's backpack when fishing and only carry the gear I need for 6-8 hours, not a whole friggin box of junk, but could stay the night out there if I had to. Minimal gear is bugspray, 4 slider weights, 4 each of filament and wire pre-tied leaders, 4 large heavy shank circle hooks and 4 Octopus hooks, and one baitfish rig. Plus two breakdown poles already rigged, one for bait and one for plug, and two sandspikes hanging down the back. Water, usually one bottle fresh and two bottles frozen, some kind of snack, and 4 large ziploc bags. Occasionally a couple bought bait fish. The rope sling I use for the poles I can also use to drag back a striper in the surf. Bluefish I can fillet on the spot and throw in the ziplocks and keep with the walk-back ice bottle but the striper has to stay whole, head on until I get it home, can weigh 40 pounds and won't fit in the pack, so I float em back dead down the beach on the rope. Live-lining stripers is illegal here. The beach pack just needs to get me back to my truck pack. The leatherman is handy fishing tool.

My general day-hiking FAK just has knuckle bandages, some anti-biotic ointment, bee pen (not an epi pen, just a sting calmer), a fire starter (right now just hurricane matches in a tube) and a second small folding knife. A similar backpack as for fishing is set for the weather of the season. Always a poncho in there though. Any day hike is going to be someplace that starts at my parked truck. The daypack just has to get me back there, though I could spend the night away from it in the seasonal weather if necessary.

And the leatherman stays on the belt.
Always.

[Sarge47]

I'm an old list kind of guy. If I had to follow the new list, the "tool kit" would contain a "knife."

I have different first aid kits in different locations.
What all else I elect to carry depends on where I'm going.

The home first aid kit is a full trauma kit, centrally located and easy to access.
There are other various first aid supplies scattered around the house; the bathrooms, downstairs in the "shop", out in the garage... Home is a Bug In location.

The truck has the next largest FAK (which reminds me it is time to check it and change it.) It includes the quikclot and the instant cold compresses, hand warmers, and some larger compression bandages plus all the little stuff including Immodium, bug spray and 50spf sunscreen. There is another bag in there that's a GHB that is packed for the season (May/October). It has the firestarter (hurricane matches in a tube,) light, compass, special overland map to get home, various other sundries and a poncho. The leatherman is always on my belt.

My work desk has a slightly smaller FAK that goes on site with me when I'm on a crew and not with my own truck. It doesn't have some things it should and needs to be re-evaluated. While I trust the trauma kits we have at the shop to be kept up to snuff, the onsite kit in the roadbox might be on the other side of the jobsite. Most jobsites for me are local and I take my own vehicle when I can. The leatherman is always on my belt.

My fishing first aid kit is much smaller but still will take care of a non-life threatening knife wound (steri-strips are wonderful things,) greenhead bites, or an embedded hook (a small pair of end nippers included.) It really stinks being a mile out on a sandbar beach in the middle of a nice fishing day and have to trudge back to the truck right away cuz you did something stupid and didn't have a kit. I already have the knife, hurricane matches, and the poncho in the tackle pack. I use a light hiker's backpack when fishing and only carry the gear I need for 6-8 hours, not a whole friggin box of junk, but could stay the night out there if I had to. Minimal gear is bugspray, 4 slider weights, 4 each of filament and wire pre-tied leaders, 4 large heavy shank circle hooks and 4 Octopus hooks, and one baitfish rig. Plus two breakdown poles already rigged, one for bait and one for plug, and two sandspikes hanging down the back. Water, usually one bottle fresh and two bottles frozen, some kind of snack, and 4 large ziploc bags. Occasionally a couple bought bait fish. The rope sling I use for the poles I can also use to drag back a striper in the surf. Bluefish I can fillet on the spot and throw in the ziplocks and keep with the walk-back ice bottle but the striper has to stay whole, head on until I get it home, can weigh 40 pounds and won't fit in the pack, so I float em back dead down the beach on the rope. Live-lining stripers is illegal here. The beach pack just needs to get me back to my truck pack. The leatherman is handy fishing tool.

My general day-hiking FAK just has knuckle bandages, some anti-biotic ointment, bee pen (not an epi pen, just a sting calmer), a fire starter (right now just hurricane matches in a tube) and a second small folding knife. A similar backpack as for fishing is set for the weather of the season. Always a poncho in there though. Any day hike is going to be someplace that starts at my parked truck. The daypack just has to get me back there, though I could spend the night away from it in the seasonal weather if necessary.

And the leatherman stays on the belt.
Always.

Positive Rep sent!....:cowboy: Deleted the duplicate.

[ninjasurvivor]

To me, a FAK should contain items that would NOT save your life in case of serious injury. I mean, maybe like a field dressing or tourniquet tubing would be good to have, but it takes up a lot of space. Not really practical to carry around. You can make do with belts, rope, and cloth to handle those same types of wounds. Either way, you need a helicopter or an ambulance or it won't matter in the end.

I see guys with quick clot other crazy stuff in their FAKs. Fish antiobotics and whatnot. Who has the training to try and patch someone up from a gunshot wound? Or diagnose a viral infection and prescribe a proper regiment of FISH antiobotics? CPR training would be a good skillset I won't condemn anyone for being overly prepared. But just know that you can't replace a doctor or medical facility with some little FAK. You'll get in way over your head rather quickly if you don't have proper supplies and training.

[Rick]

Pish Posh. All in a 6X6X4 inch pouch. And plenty of live saving stuff from QuikClot to pressure dressings to anti-diarrhea. If you don't have the training to use it then I strongly urge you to get it.

First Aid Kit – Condor Rip Away Pouch

Total weight including pouch is 2lb 7oz.
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
2 bandage guage roller 2" x 6 yards
1 EMT shears
1 needle forceps
2 tweezers
1 nail clippers
2 closure strip 1/4" X 1 1/2"
4 6-0 Polyester Fiber Suture with 3/8" scalpel point needle (1 per pack)
2 Povidone-Iodine Prep pads
18 Alcohol Prep Pads (fire starter, too)
1 instant cold compress
2 Little Hotties hand warmers
1 4" x 4" sterile pad
1 5" X 9" ABD Pad Extra Absorbent
1 3" X 8" gauze bandage
4 sets of gloves
30 Hydrocodone 500 Mg tabs
12 Cipro 500 Mg tabs
1 50 g QuikClot Sport
2 6" wooden splints
Assorted sizes of Moleskin Plus
1 Dressing, First-Aid, Field, 11 3/4 inches square
11 plastic snip bandaids
2 Insect Sting relief towlettes
12 antihistimines
3 Butterfly closure
11 regular bandaids
1 box Luden's cough drops
1 Fresnel lens
4 1 use size Triple Antibiotic ointment
2 antacid tablets
2 acetaminophen tablets
6 Loperamide Hydrochloride (anti diarrhea)
1 1" roll guaze
10 Q tips
1 tube chap-ez
1 splinter remover
1 1 use tube of neosporin
2 1 use tube of First Aid Burn Cream
1 Burnaid Burn Gel
1 NexTemp disposable thermometer
1 First Aid Pamplet

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[Sarge47]

Pish Posh. All in a 6X6X4 inch pouch. And plenty of live saving stuff from QuikClot to pressure dressings to anti-diarrhea. If you don't have the training to use it then I strongly urge you to get it.

First Aid Kit – Condor Rip Away Pouch

Total weight including pouch is 2lb 7oz.
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
2 bandage guage roller 2" x 6 yards
1 EMT shears
1 needle forceps
2 tweezers
1 nail clippers
2 closure strip 1/4" X 1 1/2"
4 6-0 Polyester Fiber Suture with 3/8" scalpel point needle (1 per pack)
2 Povidone-Iodine Prep pads
18 Alcohol Prep Pads (fire starter, too)
1 instant cold compress
2 Little Hotties hand warmers
1 4" x 4" sterile pad
1 5" X 9" ABD Pad Extra Absorbent
1 3" X 8" gauze bandage
4 sets of gloves
30 Hydrocodone 500 Mg tabs
12 Cipro 500 Mg tabs
1 50 g QuikClot Sport
2 6" wooden splints
Assorted sizes of Moleskin Plus
1 Dressing, First-Aid, Field, 11 3/4 inches square
11 plastic snip bandaids
2 Insect Sting relief towlettes
12 antihistimines
3 Butterfly closure
11 regular bandaids
1 box Luden's cough drops
1 Fresnel lens
4 1 use size Triple Antibiotic ointment
2 antacid tablets
2 acetaminophen tablets
6 Loperamide Hydrochloride (anti diarrhea)
1 1" roll guaze
10 Q tips
1 tube chap-ez
1 splinter remover
1 1 use tube of neosporin
2 1 use tube of First Aid Burn Cream
1 Burnaid Burn Gel
1 NexTemp disposable thermometer
1 First Aid Pamplet

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I love this and have done one like it all contained in the same thing bought from Safe Zone! Excuses, excuses. If you don't know what to do medically in the field then you're a liability, not an asset!...:smartass:

[ninjasurvivor]

I want to eventually learn more about medicine/first aid. It's always been on the back burner because it's a "what if" skill, and is moot if that circumstance never comes to pass. Other skills are more immediate and practical so I focus my attention there.

[Rick]

That's strictly an opinion and will be valid only until a medical event happens. Something like....riding your ATV over a cliff and crashing into a tree. Your point is valid for just about everything. There is no point in planning at all since nothing may ever happen. How practical was not having any medical skills when you went over the cliff?

[Rick]

I just went through that kit yesterday and removed some expired meds. Consider this a reminder to check your dates!

[ninjasurvivor]

That's strictly an opinion and will be valid only until a medical event happens. Something like....riding your ATV over a cliff and crashing into a tree. Your point is valid for just about everything. There is no point in planning at all since nothing may ever happen. How practical was not having any medical skills when you went over the cliff?
You would bring that up. I wasn't seriously injured though, so it was a non-event medically speaking. But say I had split my forehead open on that tree, what was I going to do, pour quick clot all over my face in my eyes?

Also, that stuff is like $15 and only lasts a couple years. It seems like I blink, and half the stuff in my BOB's is expired and I have to throw it out. I'd rather be tossing old snickers bars rather than quick clot packs at $15 a pop. I'm not saying it can't serve a good purpose in the rights circumstance. It's just the odds of you requiring it to live are very very low. If you are willing to risk that and save the money and space, then so be it.

[Rick]

Now you're being silly. No, but you could apply a pressure bandage or steri-strips. And QuikClot never expires. It's an inert clay. The package can be violated rendering it non-steril but the product will still work.

[crashdive123]

You would bring that up. I wasn't seriously injured though, so it was a non-event medically speaking. But say I had split my forehead open on that tree, what was I going to do, pour quick clot all over my face in my eyes?

Also, that stuff is like $15 and only lasts a couple years. It seems like I blink, and half the stuff in my BOB's is expired and I have to throw it out. I'd rather be tossing old snickers bars rather than quick clot packs at $15 a pop. I'm not saying it can't serve a good purpose in the rights circumstance. It's just the odds of you requiring it to live are very very low. If you are willing to risk that and save the money and space, then so be it.

Quick Clot - while having an expiration date on it, will not go bad. I would recommend if you are going to use it to use the gauze type so there is no pouring of anything.

I have it in each of my first aid kits and it is my firm desire that I never have to use it........just as it is my firm desire that I never have to shoot somebody in self defense - but I still carry a weapon if I should need to, just as I carry Quick Clot.

Edit: Sorry Rick - was typing when you posted regarding the expiration of Quick Clot.

[Rick]

Actually, there is no expiration date on the package. There is a Use By date, which is the date the manufacturer guarantees the product. That doesn't mean it's no longer any good. They are just limiting their liability. I'll also point there is nothing to pour. QuikClot is either contained in a mesh bag or is impregnated on a gauze.

[crashdive123]

Got it. Thanks.

[ninjasurvivor]

That's right, they came out with better versions instead of the powder or granulated kind it used to be. I'm not totally discounting quick clot, don't get me wrong. It's good to know that it doesn't actually expire either.

[crashdive123]

Something else to consider about a product like Quick Clot. Several years ago when I went through CERT training I asked the instructor during a break (he was an EMTof 35 years) about it. He said it was really beyond the scope of the course and we would not be discussing hemostatic agents. He said some of the advanced training did cover them. He also said that in his 35 years as an EMT he has never had to use one, but he had them in every one of his personal first aid kits and would go anywhere without them. To me, that was all of the endorsement of a product that doesn't really cost all that much that I needed.

[ninjasurvivor]

Something else to consider about a product like Quick Clot. Several years ago when I went through CERT training I asked the instructor during a break (he was an EMTof 35 years) about it. He said it was really beyond the scope of the course and we would not be discussing hemostatic agents. He said some of the advanced training did cover them. He also said that in his 35 years as an EMT he has never had to use one, but he had them in every one of his personal first aid kits and would go anywhere without them. To me, that was all of the endorsement of a product that doesn't really cost all that much that I needed.
Well, the thing to consider about it is the type of wound you'd need it for. A GSW for example, will require immediate professional medical attention, surgical extraction, and a lot more than dumping volcano dust into a gaping hole in your chest. Compound fractures, the same thing.

But on the flipside of that coin, if you were away from civilization and did incur some type of deep puncture wound, it would be very hard to effectively close up that wound and stop the bleeding. Even a TQ and field dressing could be inadequate, particularly on certain parts of the body. Hmmm, I might be talking myself into getting one after all! Why not I reckon?

[Rick]

It wouldn't work on a trunk wound. Head and neck or extremity only. You blow an artery internally you have a lot of room to bleed inside. You blow one in your arm and you generally have a hole that needs to be plugged and once plugged the blood has no where else to go. That's an oversimplification I know but demonstrates the difference. And even if used you still need immediate medical attention. You are only trying to span the golden hour until you can reach a trauma center.

[Sarge47]

I miss Kevin. Wasn't he the guy who's signature read "If it's not in your pack and you need it, it's useless. If it's n your pack and you need it but don't know how to use it it's useless?" Can't remember for sure....:blush:

[crashdive123]

I miss Kevin. Wasn't he the guy who's signature read "If it's not in your pack and you need it, it's useless. If it's n your pack and you need it but don't know how to use it it's useless?" Can't remember for sure....:blush:

1. If it's in your kit and you don't know how to use it....It's useless.
2. If you can't reach your kit when you need it....Its useless.

[Sarge47]

1. If it's in your kit and you don't know how to use it....It's useless.
2. If you can't reach your kit when you need it....Its useless.

Yeah, that was it! Guy knows his stuff for sure!...:thumbup1:

[LowKey]

I grew up with a train wreck for a best friend. Even as youngsters he was always falling, running into things, flipping the bike... The number of times we had to get him home from some part of the back woods with some sort of gaping wound or road rash or broken fingers/hand/arm/foot... He was a first aid training nightmare. Back then it was mostly tie it up with a t-shirt, elevate it and get it home. He would have been a walking advertisement for Quikclot.

The new generation quikclots are used as a sponge. You don't pour on the granules anymore. It's used as a compress. If you still have the old granular kind in your kit, time to upgrade.

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