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t3hwo0ki3
02-26-2014, 12:21 PM
Hey there, everyone!

I can't express how pleased I was to stumble upon this site one day. After poking around for a few weeks, I decided to hit the go button on registering. If you haven't had a glance at my introduction, it's safe to say I'm mostly ignorant to most all things related to survival & preparedness. For a while I figured things would just continue on endlessly as they had since I was a kid. No dad was around to teach "man things", but my mom sure imparted a lot of relevant knowledge, but I sadly failed to seize those moments with her. I've buried both of my parents in the last year, and I've realized it was never up to them to instill valuable skills in me after I "left the nest" at 18. I failed myself in that regard. I'm on the cusp of 30 and all of my skills relate to electronics and troubleshooting, but will hardly afford me the ability to eat or make a fire if I need to.

Just over a year ago I decided to start planning for the future, uncertain as it may be. I'm not interested in debating the merits of holding precious metal alongside relevant skills. I'd like to do both. Joining this community is my first step on seeking out those opportunities to learn. I'm interested in basic survival skills, urban preparedness, crafting (leather mostly), and cultivating a pragmatic, but not hopeless, outlook for the future. In the midst of the tragedy with my parents my wife sort of came apart at the seams, but she's since found some healing and is very supportive & interested in my new direction. She's going to be learning alongside me, so you can all understand how seriously I'm trying to take this new responsibility-which is on me alone.

I remember the value of quality equipment from my Boy Scout & Police Academy days, which I have a modest amount of, but I also understand lacking skills to utilize that gear is shooting yourself in the foot, so to speak.

My goals are to acquire and sustain 3 months food & water for an uncertain future, get "out" there and start amassing experience navigating the terrain of the state parks nearby as I'm starting out, learn some outdoorsmen skills as I go, and develop some new (relevant) hobbies in leather-working and hiking/backpacking/camping. Aside from being a decent shot, I have literally no real skills to speak of. I don't need to pretend to be humble, as I'm mostly self-loathing as it is. Getting outside and beating the fat off my nasty body is likely a first step in changing my life's direction. I've never been a gym guy, but I feel like nature's a pretty demanding gym if your body's in the condition mine is in.

I'm currently working on a mid-sized survival kit to accompany me on my first day hike with a buddy of mine. He's a legitimate outdoorsy guy, and has gone through SERE and SAR training in the years that I've known him. He's been badgering the hell out of me for nearly a decade now to get outside and away from the video games & television. It stinks that it's taken so long, but I couldn't ask for a better instructor within my small group of peers. He's not overseeing the kit himself, but will be suggesting changes after we go for our hike, so I'll have to make due with whatever is with me without his instruction. He's keeping the majority of it hush-hush, but we'll be traveling 15 miles, making a "basic" shelter, fire, and acquiring water. That should give you veterans a solid idea what I'd need, but I'd like to run what I've got so far by you. Feedback is absolutely welcome and appreciated.

Please keep in mind this "kit" stems from a guy who has read a lot about the subject, but has no applicable experience:

The container:
Maxpedition MX307F M1 Waistpack
Leather Belt
Maxpedition TacTies to affix above to my belt

Benchmade HUNT Hidden Canyon Hunter
Leatherman Rebar w/nylon pouch
The contents of an Adventure Medical Kits' Pocket Survival Pak
The contents of an Adventure Medical Kits' Quickclot Trauma Pak
The contents of an Adventure Medical Kits' .5 Medical Kit
Light My Fire FireSteel Scout
Peanut Lighter
Photon 2 LED light
SOL 2-person Emergency Bivvy
Micropur water purification tablets (30-pack)
Whirlpak 1 liter standup water collection bags (3-pack)
Assorted Mountain House entrees (got a few on sale for 50% off)

This is a lot less of a kit and a lot more of selected items I've acquired slowly over the past 6 months as I searched for "general" components that can be modified to make/supplement a PSK, BOB, and GHB. I have no kit put-together to speak of, and the only parameters I'm under (for now) is that it's small enough to wear on my waist/put in a cargo pants pocket and that I be able to effectively meet the demands of fire, shelter, food & water. I realize the above looks like a newbie's attempt to hedge his bets with pre-made kits, and that's probably exactly what it is. The only expensive item was the BenchMade, and it's the first knife I've purchased over $10, but was advised by some trusted folks that it would meet the demands placed on it.

I'm looking for any and all advice on what to include in the kit using the specifications of the Maxpedition pack (or another if you simply think that pack is insufficient for the task). I have the above items to work with, but I am absolutely open to acquiring different items based on your input.

I'd really appreciate any and all feedback you've got to offer.

Thank you!

-Dave

MamaBear
02-26-2014, 12:42 PM
Welcome! So sorry to hear about the loss of your parents. I, too, have a lot to learn, and this is a great forum for it, so you've come to the right place! Your kit looks to be well-supplied. My only feedback -- try to rely as little on bought stuff as possible. Learn to use what's in your surroundings. For example, I am learning as much as I can about foraging edibles and harvesting wild game in my area. It never hurts to have a well-supplied pack, but if something happened to it, you want to be able to make do without. Other than that, enjoy the learning process and all the amazing things you'll discover that the Earth has to offer!

Rick
02-26-2014, 12:53 PM
Dave, all of us started somewhere so don't fret about the learning. It just takes time. The best way to figure out what's right for you is to hit the field. Take note of what you needed but didn't have and what you had but didn't need. Before long you'll have a pack customized to you. But you'll forever be making changes as you find new gear or something shiny catches your eye.

Consider Potable Aqua in place of the Micropur. The Micropur is good stuff it just takes 4 hours to work and Potable Aqua takes 30 minutes if the water isn't cloudy or cold. More time is required for both in cold and very turbid conditions.

Toilet paper. Never leave home without it.

You might consider some hand sanitizer. It saves your water when you have to clean your hands and can be used as a fire starter.

Make certain you have good hiking boots and they are well broken in. That 15 miles will not be achievable if your feet turn to hamburger because of poor fitting boots or they haven't been broken in. You can take along a small roll of duct tape. I've found it's excellent if you develop a hot spot on your foot. Just tape the area so the friction is against the tape and not your foot.

Otherwise, for a short hike like that you should be in pretty good shape with the other stuff.

1stimestar
02-26-2014, 02:08 PM
Yep, we all have to start somewhere. Don't worry about prepackaged kits. You will learn things as you go to personalize your pack. Get out there and do it. Oh yea, along with the good boots tip, bring extra socks. A small camera is fun too.

hunter63
02-26-2014, 02:42 PM
Hunter63, saying Hey and Welcome.

Didn't see a water bottle, cup or pot/pan........carry water, boil water, heat meals.
I like the military style canteen, cup and stove in a belt carry case, that has a pouch for water purifications tabs.
Hydration straw is small and work well for short hikes

Several places to buy them....but here is a suggestion.........BTW This is Rick's business.

http://www.safezonellc.com/hydration.html

t3hwo0ki3
02-27-2014, 04:00 PM
Thanks for the input, folks. I appreciate the positivity, I'm sometimes too self-loathing for my own good. I'm so anxious to start learning. I'll be heading off for the hike this weekend, and I'll post my thoughts afterwards. I foresee frozen sweat and shame in my near future, along with a great time.


Hunter63, saying Hey and Welcome.

Didn't see a water bottle, cup or pot/pan........carry water, boil water, heat meals.
I like the military style canteen, cup and stove in a belt carry case, that has a pouch for water purifications tabs.
Hydration straw is small and work well for short hikes

Several places to buy them....but here is a suggestion.........BTW This is Rick's business.



Good catch, that ignorance would have left me very thirsty! I've got the portable water pouches, but no real way to boil/cook, so thanks for the heads-up. What are you thoughts on the Kleen Kanteens & knockoffs floating around out there? Would you recommend the Military-grade gear above the rest?

Thanks again!

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