Post apocalyptic book made me think

[DaddyOh]

I love EOW books and read them whenever I find a new one. I read one the other day that actually made me stop and think about my preparedness. While it was a pretty funny story, the characters in the book took care of things like making sure their bunker had tons of digital music and media to survive the end of the world. The author talked about seed repositories, and they had a cool hydroponics system called aquaponics--you have fish in the tank, and their poo is pumped out as nutrient solution for the hydroponics system. A little smelly, but you can farm and fish on sunday.

the book was called Calizona. I found it on Amazon. The system won't let me post a link for some reason. Anyhow, pretty bizarre EOW book, definitely not your usual apocalypse story. More like Weeds meets Lucifer's Hammer meets Duck Dynasty.

[DaddyOh]

Other EOW books that all survivalists should read:
Earth Abides
The Postman
Lucifer's Hammer
Level 7
How to survive a zombie apocalypse

[pete lynch]

I'm not a survivalist and I don't read the EOW fictions. But thanks anyway.

[Rick]

I'm not a survivalist either and remember.....it's fiction written to make money.

[Kudos]

Another good book to add is "One Second After" which covers the aftermath of an EMP. There is an audiobook of it on Youtube.

[BENESSE]

Other EOW books that all survivalists should read:
Earth Abides
The Postman
Lucifer's Hammer
Level 7
How to survive a zombie apocalypse

I am not a "survivalist" either, but these two books were interesting and gave you a lot of food for thought because the scenarios were plausible, much like One "Second After." (my fave of that genre)
Yes, they are fiction, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from it.
JMHO.

[Rick]

My only point is that a work of fiction may or may not incorporate things that are doable. If you don't have the knowledge then you don't know that something might not be achievable or practical for that matter. So you go traipsing off with X in mind and fail miserably because the author took some poetic license and created a fix that isn't real. In the same sense, The Hunt for Red October was an entertaining movie. However, Crash might point out that some of the things in the movie were completely fabricated. I have no basis to know that so it all seemed pretty reasonable to me. The same thing could apply to someone reading a work of fiction.

Now, you'll have to excuse me. I have to go work on a manually exploding torpedo.

[hunter63]

Read "Lucifer's Hammer" years ago, was kinda cool.

And I agree, I'm not a Survivalist either, just hope fully a Survivor if necessary......

[crashdive123]

Not a survivalist either. Read a few books.

[Kudos]

and remember......... having a good book with you is important, you can always use the pages to start a fire with !

[SlowRide13]

Not a survivalist either.

So when are y'all gonna change the name of the forum? :whistling:

[Kudos]

What did you have in mind Slowride?
"Camping in the Woods"?
"Wilderness Retreats"?
"One Man and his Backpack"?
"The Non-Survivalist in the Wilderness"?
"Spam and Beans Cookery in the Countryside"?
"The Official Kamikaze - How to feed Grizzly Bears in the Wild Forum"?
"Dancing with Wolves for the first timer"?
"Dual Non-Survivor"?

The possibilities are endless...........

[BENESSE]

SURVIVAL(IST)

It's the danged "ist" that's throwing everyone off.

[Kudos]

Hmm got me thinking of Survival Books you would be better off without:

"How to start a fire with Gasoline"
"Post bite Snake identification"
"How to tell if you drank contaminated water"
"Hunting Wild Boar with a .177 /.22 Air Rifle"
"Toadstools for beginners"
"Starting a Fire with 2 x 4 Lumber"
"101 ways not to start a Fire"
"Bear Hunting with a Slingshot"
"Items you left behind - a Wilderness Guide"
"Alligator Wrestling for Beginners"
"Feeding Bears is cool"
"The Walmart guide to cheap Climbing Ropes"
"How to clean a Loaded Gun"
"The one handed knot Book"
"Bare Foot Rock Climbing"
"The Beans and Rice Cookbook"
"My First Plastic Cookery Set"
"The Wooden Knife Kit Assembly Instructions"
"Budget Emergency pack for under $2"
"BIC Lighter Instructions Book"
"Easy Release Rope Climbing Knots"

and many more.............

[Kudos]

Benesse?

Along with the "IST" can we have an "ISM"?

Jus' askin"

[Kudos]

Surviving is for the living

[pete lynch]

It's called wilderness-survival.net, not wilderness-survivalist.net . There is a huge difference. I like knowing my chances of survival in a wilderness emergency are good and have been enhanced by having found this site. The survivalist stuff on here I see in a lot of other places.

[Wildthang]

Yeah sometimes I get the feeling that a lot of people think we are all a bunch of bunker digging tin foil hat freaks.............WTF We don't wear tin foil hats???????

[Rick]

Yeah, sometimes all this talk about survivalist stuff makes me feel like I'm in a dream. And I apologize for the way I dressed some of you.

[BENESSE]

Yeah, sometimes all this talk about survivalist stuff makes me feel like I'm in a dream. And I apologize for the way I dressed some of you.

Never mind that. You should apologize for the way you dress. :blush:

[Rick]

Yeah. That too.

[Wildthang]

Rick, you really need a tin foil hong in your collection:scared:

[Williepete]

Well I don't know about the rest of you 'nuts', but I am a survivor. Back in '09 I survived three heart attacks in less than 36 hrs. Than in Sept '12, I survived lung cancer. I've also managed to survive quitting smoking.
I don't see the difference between the word survivor and survivalist.

Bill

[jfeatherjohn]

Are you suggesting that I should burn my Kindle reader? I am not a survivalist, either. Lacking basic skills, I might be forced to eat you, (no offense intended).

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[Lamewolf]

Not a survivalist either. Read a few books.

Not a survivalist - hmmmm ? The oposite of survival is mighty grimm my friends !

[Rick]

Ah, but there is a difference in connotation between survivalist and survivor. We've discussed this before. I am not a survivalist either by definition of our current lexicon. I have no bunkers, no man traps, no hidden caches of "stuff". But, as Bill pointed out, being a survivor is pretty much a requirement if you don't like dead.

And congratulations, Bill. Those are some pretty impressive milestones.

[Wildthang]

I think bushcraft preppers better describes most of us here!

[crashdive123]

Not a survivalist - hmmmm ? The oposite of survival is mighty grimm my friends !

As Rick pointed out - apples and oranges. This forum is not focused on "survivalists" although we do have a few onboard.

[hunter63]

and remember......... having a good book with you is important, you can always use the pages to start a fire with !

And TP,...... page a day....Try that with your Kindle.....Yeah I saw "Dance with Wolf".....as well......

[DaddyOh]

And TP,...... page a day....Try that with your Kindle.....Yeah I saw "Dance with Wolf".....as well......

Actually they had a solution for the tp issue in calizona: the bunker had bidays.

[DaddyOh]

And how is survival any different than being a survivalist. By definition a survivalist is someone who trains and prepares to survive a wide range of scenarios. So none of you are that?

[aktrekker]

A survivor is someone who comes out of a situation alive.
A survivalist is someone preparing for the fall of civilization or government takeover. Stocking up on guns and ammo, hoarding food, prepared to fight other survivors or even the military. Preparing for scenarios that might never happen. Usually lacking true survival skills.

I'm a survivor. I am not a survivalist.

[SlowRide13]

And how is survival any different than being a survivalist. By definition a survivalist is someone who trains and prepares to survive a wide range of scenarios. So none of you are that?

Nope.... this is the gun and knife club. You took a wrong turn at the "Wilderness Survival Forums" sign. :gunsmilie:

[Wildthang]

I would rather thiink of us as a bunch of misguided canoe pilots that carry way too much ammo and guns in our rickety old canoes:scared:

[Rick]

that carry way too much ammo and guns in our rickety old canoes

Sadly, not after the great canoe disaster of ought ten.

[hunter63]

Sadly, not after the great canoe disaster of ought ten. [/COLOR]

Yeah, stay away form those creaky old canoes and boats.......

[WolfVanZandt]

I do fall into Rick's canoe on this one and maybe even a little more extreme - not only fiction, but be wary of nonfiction also. A survivor plays with the cards they're dealt and no hand is covered exactly by anything on paper and many scenarios are waiting for you in life that aren't covered anywhere. In graduate school, where most people in my field choose specialties like work adjustment and counseling, or counseling and vocational evaluation, I selected vocational evaluation and research; so I've read a lot of tomes on research. Two things that they consistently warn researchers against (and said researchers more times than not ignore the warnings) is reification and reductionism. I will assume that survivors and survivalists fall prey to the same things (but not if they're really good - not often).

Reification is the confusion between the reality in your head and the Reality that exists "out there". For researchers, that means confusing the concepts they have of things with the things themselves. No concept can fully encapsulate the reality of a phenomenon under study. In the case of a survivor/suvivalist, that would mean putting too much stock in what you've learned. Once you leave the laboratory, real life is chaos-intensive and, whatever you've learned is going to be challenged by reality.

Reductionism is the temptation to look at something only from the viewpoint of your own areas of specialty. Reality is what it is - if you're a mechanic and you can't get out of the mechanic mode so that you can look at things in a biological, ethical, spiritual, linguistic, social, geological, economical, aesthetic, historical, etc. mode, then you are missing information that can be very pertinent to survival.

From a shamanic viewpoint, "the thing is it's own meaning." You understand your surroundings on shared terms - a dialog between you and them. If you try to understand things in your environment based on what you've read, you will have a dialog, at best, between yourself and the author - and you're not trying to survive the author. Your environment (like Old Coyote) doesn't care if you survive or not, but if you ask it, it will tell you everything you need to know. You just have to know the language. You can learn the "words" from books, but you'll never learn the semantics and syntax from there.

[Rick]

Great post. Had to give you a little rep for that. No plan survives the enemy.

[hunter63]

Yeah, I did as well.......seems the only thing remains true, always....something will go wrong......

[jfeatherjohn]

I have a survival saying..."if it's not in the truck, I can't choose NOT to bring it...unless the truck burns, in which case the survival necklace s butt pack (including water) can be out of the

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[jfeatherjohn]

Error... can be out of the truck in seconds...unless I am unconscious, in which case, I didn't survive.


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[1stimestar]

Rick, you really need a tin foil hong in your collection:scared:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/1stimestar/foil04.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/1stimestar/media/foil04.jpg.html)

[finallyME]

Other EOW books that all survivalists should read:
Earth Abides
The Postman
Lucifer's Hammer
Level 7
How to survive a zombie apocalypse

Kinda funny title for an end of the world book. A book title "Earth Abides" means the earth didn't end. Now, if the book was titled "Earth doesn't Abide" that would make more sense. Of course, the earth would have to blow up or something for it to make even more sense. If it just sits there.....then it didn't end.

[Rick]

Hold the phone. 1stimestar posts a lady's touche and you're yappin' about a book title. We gotta get you out more.

[finallyME]

I was gonna say somefin 'bout that.....then I remembered this was a family site.

[1stimestar]

Every thing is covered, more then then normal hong photo... :dodge::dodge:

[DaddyOh]

Well, even if you are just an outdoorsman, you will probly like Calizona. It was suprisingly fun.

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