Is "Bugging Out" really a viable option?

[Kudos]

The subject of Bugging Out is widely discussed as the thing to do if, and when, something happened that disrupted our lives to the point that we see the only option is to get out of Dodge, but is it really practical?

Heading off into the unknown with only what you have with you is a major undertaking and could easily be a case of "Jumping out of the Frying Pan and into the Fire".
Add to that picture that for many it would be you and your spouse with a couple of kids and maybe a few other Family members.

So, at that point you have abandoned your Home and many resources, Car and friends. The Property you left behind will probably not be there if you ever return so if you were to leave it you have to expect that and be willing to accept that.

So where would you go? Heading out with a vague idea of where you are heading may not pan out well. If you are heading toward a Home of a Family member or Friend out in the Country that is one thing provided you can get there. If you are just running scared to get away into the Hills you really have no idea where you will end up and what resources would be available.

Water - Though it may seem hard to believe you need a Gallon of clean water per person per day or 30 gallons a Month. If you are a Family of four then that is four Gallons a day. Where are you going to source that? How are you going to purify your water?

Food - Providing a daily calorific intake enough to sustain you and your Family for a time is a challenge. Maybe you have plenty of de-hydrated food and canned goods, maybe you only have what you could grab in a hurry. Either way, sooner or later your supplies will run out. What then? Do you go to Town and try to get more? Do you forage? How would you handle that?

Shelter - What do you have by way of shelter? Can you built something from raw materials? Do you have a Tent? Sleeping under the Stars may seem idyllic but a heavy rain soon dispels those dreams.

Fire and Warmth - The ability to make Fire is so very important. It brings warmth, the ability to cook, to help make water safe to drink and has a major Psychological affect on you and your group. It will also keep you warm during the night of course. So you had the foresight to bring matches and lighters with you. Can you build a fire from scratch? Can you chop wood? Can you do all the things required to start a fire in wet and windy conditions when all the wood around is damp?

Climate and time of year - If you find yourself in a warmer climate just maybe it could work. In the higher ground there the temperatures fall well below freezing it is totally different. Properly prepared with the ability to stay warm most people can get through a couple of bad cold nights. But, living through a Winter without good shelter and no provisions is unlikely to work out well.

Predators and Risks - In most areas there are Predators of some kind. Most present a minor risk while some could really spoil your day. Being away from the relative safety of your home has other risks. One fall, sickness, de-hydration, hypothermia and a multitude of other things that could happen. With potentially the nearest Hospital being miles away how would you cope with that? I haven't even touched upon dealing with Predators of the Human kind.

Physical Health - The Physical Health of you and possibly those of your Group are yet another consideration. Is anyone on medication?, could they get by without it or not? If not, do they have enough to get them through? Does any of the Medication need to be kept cool? Can members of your group handle the necessary tasks required to provide for the group? The tasks would include collecting wood, possibly Hunting, fetching water, cooking etc. Good sanitation, clean water and retaining a reasonable level of personal hygiene including washing your hands are key elements to maintaining health.

In conclusion - This is only a brief summary that I have very lightly touched upon and is in no way complete in any way. Any romantic notions of living in the Wilds are a long way distant from the realities of bugging out.
So I threw this out there for open discussion for everyone. Many have the equipment and well practiced skills to reasonably do it. They also have somewhere to go possibly with a cache of food and equipment there to help sustain them for a period of time.
Would I do it? Absolutely not unless there was no other choice left for me where I felt I was likely to die if I stayed which I could balance against the risks of heading out.

So Folks, that is my 10 cents worth. Feel free to take whatever stance you wish on this because this is only my humble view on the subject. I may be right, I may be wrong or somewhere in the middle. Let's discuss it.

[DSJohnson]

IMHO - Sometimes there is no option. I have been involved in several "ordered" evacuations where we have had to ask people to leave and to leave right now. Not ASAP but right now. Usually this has been in relationship to an advancing Wildlands fire and they have had some fore knowledge but still when you walk to a person's home and tell them to leave now it is extremely tough. I have seen the same thing after really bad tornado damaged areas. Until we can secure the natural gas lines, kill all the electricity and finish the search for victims/casualties, and get a good initial assessment on extent of damage we usually have a "forced" evacuation order in place.

So I am a big fan of having some kind of a "bug out" plan in place for your family. Making plans for a rally point, a check in contact somewhere away from your immediate area, that kind of stuff and of course a bag to grab as you go. And talk about it out loud with your family. Practice it to make sure it works.

Now when you talk about TEOTWAWKI stuff I don't much worry(much) about that. You just have to hope you land on your feet for that one, at least that is the way I see it. That is if you are excited and invigorated about the idea of living/existing/thriving in a post apocalyptic world.

I try to be prepared for an extended loss of utility services due to acts of God such as storms, earthquakes and that kind of thing. I, in fact, intend to "weather" most of them on my place if possible. But if I have to temporarily relocate we have a plan that we practice and I pray that it will be sufficient. Living, quite literally, in the middle of Tornado Alley has taught me that you can not count on getting to use the resources you had planned on. Still do it but don't expect it to be available is all.

In my mind of it is TEOTWAWKI and I live through the first month or three then it is no longer a "Survival" experience it will just be what my life has changed to. In my mind I consider what I do every day as "survival" I guess if you really pen me down to saying it.

Your mileage may vary.

[Kudos]

Good post DS.
There is a limit to what we can do and some level of Preparedness I believe is better than none. If for some reason everything collapsed and we made it through the initial phase intact then we would have to deal with the options we still had. Of necessity we would have to adjust and it would become our new normality pretty quickly.
Personally, I am not confident that realistically I could make it in a TEOTWAWKI scenario and the prospect of living in a "Mad Max" World holds no appeal at all.
So I do what I can to be prepared to a level but accept there are practical limitations especially as nobody has invented an inflatable Nuclear Fallout Shelter for a Backpack.
I guess we all do what we can and even that is better than most who haven't.

[SlowRide13]

...In my mind I consider what I do every day as "survival"...

Exactly. I have stood on my own two feet and supported my family since I was a teenager (so for almost 30 years, now). I will do my darndest to continue to do so as conditions change. Now about "survival skills"--I can [almost] support my family by foraging on backpack trips--even in winter (to actually support them all the way would just take all the fun out of it--too much work). They just think we're camping for fun, and I want to keep it that way. But is that my best "survival skill?" Nope. My best survival skills are work ethic and a wide assortment of marketable skills.

I always resist the temptation--it would just come off snarky--but when people log on here asking what they should do to prepare to "go live off the land" I want to say, "Work 3 full-time jobs... that will get you ready." I have lived a self-sustaining "homestead life" in the past. 3 jobs would be less work.

[Kudos]

So very true SlowRide, it sounds like you are doing it for real right now. Most,myself included as I must be real, have no idea what it would really be like to have to sustain yourself and your family in a Crisis day by day and long term.
As you are already almost completely doing it, maybe you are in the best position to share what it is really like and all the things that must be done to really make it happen.
Would you like to write a Post and really tell the whole story? You have obviously spent a lot of time and effort establishing your home and skills.

[SlowRide13]

Naaahhh, I'm a lurker. No one wants to read a long post from me. My only point was that I work hard, I support and defend my family right now--its not some concept I need to prep for. And I hunt, fish, forage and camp for fun. If this ol' World gets worse (or better) I figure I will still be doing the same thing.

[Kudos]

I live at the edge of the Wilderness and really came to the cold hard realization that in a crisis I would be thrown into a Survival situation within days especially in Winter.
With no Snowploughs we would be totally cut off from many resources after a heavy snow fall and I lack sufficient practice in sourcing meat. I am well aware of my own short falls and make little if any excuse for these short comings other than I have not had to do it for real.
I will not kill an animal for sport but only if I needed it for food. I have probably disadvantaged myself because of that but there you go. Do I have the means to secure meat? Absolutely, in several ways.
Do I have the well practiced skills to do so?..... absolutely NOT.
Do I relish the idea of eating Squirrel, Rabbit and Rat? .... well not really unless I had to.

There are many things I can do and like you I have useful skills but until I found myself thrust into a new set of circumstances the prospect and enormity of sustaining yourself and family are pretty daunting.

Some day I am going to make a personal list of all the essential skills that I don't have and see if I can fix it :(

There is a huge rift between the romance of a self sustainable life and the reality of it all.

They say "A wise Man knows his limitations" but I guess a wiser Man does something about it? Maybe I should heed that.

[Kudos]

That's a pity SlowRide because I for one would really appreciate what you have to say and I am certain so would many others. But, I understand.

[SlowRide13]

...Do I have the well practiced skills to do so?..... absolutely NOT.
Do I relish the idea of eating Squirrel, Rabbit and Rat? .... well not really unless I had to.

There are many things I can do and like you I have useful skills but until I found myself thrust into a new set of circumstances the prospect and enormity of sustaining yourself and family are pretty daunting...

Daunting, yes, but why not start by eating squirrels and rabbits as a normal way of life? Grow a small garden. Forage 2 salads per week. Raise a goat. Get a few chickens. Dry some meat, can some corn, catch some fish.... If you already do these things as your "normal" way of life, I believe you will be more-prepared than if you become an expert at making cordage, rubbing sticks together and re-re-re-packing your BOB (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I guess what I'm trying to say is, self-reliance is not something you should save for some horrific future. Do it now, while it's easy and fun!

[Kudos]

Of course you are faultlessly right. One of the aspects of writing in this forum is that I am being self reflective and realizing the areas I need to focus upon myself.
Sure, I can do many things useful in a crisis but there are still many avenues as yet unexplored and developed.
I readily admit my areas of weakness in these areas.
Unfortunately, where I live there is no room or opportunity to keep Chickens, Rabbits or a Goat so, of necessity, I see that my ability to Hunt and Trap must be developed. Equally, my knowledge of edible plants needs development.
There is little use in being able to make fire to cook with if there is nothing in the Pantry!
So, I have identified areas that need work and plenty of practice.
You are astute in what you say and are correct.

In my youth I used to compete in Slalom Kayaking spending hours polishing my Kayak. One day my Instructor said to me "Why do you waste so much time polishing your Kayak, the time would be better spent polishing your technique" Never was a truer word spoken!

[hunter63]

Well D.S.J, says I need to spread rep around....but great post.

Prepare for the worst.........Hope for the best.

[Rick]

You are assuming that bugging out entails some end of the world event when the reality is you are far more likely to be evicted because of weather events or some short term disaster like a chemical spill or a meth lab. I'm not sure why everyone just assumes they will survive such a major event. As for me, my bug out plans include a hotel or family, not the woods or traipsing off into the unknown. But that's just me.

[Kudos]

You are right Rick and that is exactly the point, many have a notion that if something dramatic were to happen they would head for the Hills, often with little or no preparation, to some vague destination. Provided the weather was mild they could probably make it for a few days.
But, what you say is correct, heading for a Family member's or Friend's House or even a Hotel makes a lot more sense.

[BushTech]

No room or opportunity to keep chickens??? Or any other animals? There is literally no land you can do this on between your home and this 'wilderness' you live next to? Maybe the landlord is an arse. Don't mean to pry, it's just unfortunate.

[Phaedrus]

I think it depends on what kind of situation you're preparing for. I suspect that in a zombie-apocalypse/EOTWAWKI situation it won't make much difference what you do; no amount of preparations will allow you to live securely if human civilization totally collapses. For milder disasters bugging out may sometimes be necessary, while sometimes you must shelter in place. For instance, a volcano, nuclear accident or chemical spill may require you to leave your home or die. On the other hand a major blizzard or earthquake may require you to hole up where it you are. It just depends.

[BushTech]

In TEOTWAWKI.... IMO it would seem that a good background in bushcraft would perhaps be the most beneficial skill. And of course, bushcraft includes quite a bit. Very debatable though, considering there could be a lot left over from our modern world in which other skills would definitely create a huge impact.

If you're lucky enough to survive the initial conflicts of whatever world ending distaster occurs. IF. if. if.

[Rick]

I have to agree with Phaedrus. If you look at Katrina, Christmas Eve tsunami, Haiti earthquake, Mt. St. Helens or any other major catastrophe no amount of wilderness knowledge will help you because nothing is left until you get outside the affected area. Assuming you CAN get outside the affected area and are still alive.

[BushTech]

I agree with you there, Rick. I was speaking more of TEOTW/govt structure loss rather than isolated disasters. If you're somehow lucky enough to find yourself alive AND can acquire unspoiled, unpopulated lands to roam after the initial conflicts (whatever those conflicts may be), I definitely think bushcraft would absolutely be your best friend. I personally don't believe anything like that is going to happen, and seems almost useless to pry on the subject, but my family has our POA just in case, and we hope to be able to stick with it. And it definitely doesn't involve heading into the unknown, unless that is our ONLY option.

[RandyRhoads]

You are assuming that bugging out entails some end of the world event when the reality is you are far more likely to be evicted because of weather events or some short term disaster like a chemical spill or a meth lab. I'm not sure why everyone just assumes they will survive such a major event. As for me, my bug out plans include a hotel or family, not the woods or traipsing off into the unknown. But that's just me.

Good post rick.. You mean planning for TEOTWAKI when they air assault in and take over forcing us to take to the woods and become wolverines. Hahaha love those plans I hear from people.

Maybe it's my location. But I don't see bugging out as a viable options beyond what Rick just said.

[tjwilhelm]

Look at what's going on in West Virginia, right now. Looks like a perfect reason for bugging out, to me.

[Rick]

'Zactly.......

[Great Dane]

The "grab your BOB and get out on foot" is not very plausible. Should a major natural disaster or weather related event occur, that would mean you would have to get the h**l out of Dodge, you would not grab your backpack and haul your family into the woods. You would grab your car keys and your wallet and get out of there, if bugging in wasn't an option. Major civil unrest? Bug in. Electric grib break down? Bug in.
TEOTWAWKI? Well if society did completely break down, leaving no government institutions functioning.. You would be in serious trouble, no matter how skilled you are in the wild. Nuclear power plants don't run forever if left unattended you know, so if you're anywhere in the continental USA, you would be pretty scr**ed.

[Carney]

I understand this isn't a Survival Site, but Great Post...
A lot of factors, scenarios & realities would play into it

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[Chuk]

This is my first post here , thanks for having me, this is what I think. Kudos I agree with you 100% and everyone we know has discussed the same topic and tried to decide if it where a viable option. We all agreed that surviving in an Urban enviroment may be a bugout situation but getting out of a major city would be very hard to do after the event happens. We all agreed its better to prep your homestead and get ready to defend what you have from those who want it, and that's what we have been doing.

[chngdmymnd]

If it is anything that bad I wouldn't want to be here. The only reason I would bug out is to try and get with my family since that I would be the only one prepared. No one in my family is prepared nor do they want to be.

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[Seniorman]

If it is anything that bad I wouldn't want to be here. The only reason I would bug out is to try and get with my family since that I would be the only one prepared. No one in my family is prepared nor do they want to be.

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Do you have enough supplies to take care of an entire family that doesn't have the personal responsibility to be prepared for any emergency, nor could they care less about it?? I'd bet that they would drain all your "preparedness" supplies in a New York minute and then chastise and berate you for not having more goods to make their lives happy and pleasant. :nono:

S.M.

[Old Professor]

Remember an ice storm that hit Quebec a number of years ago? the region lost power for weeks! The people that survived that the best were people that had camps/cabins that were off the power grid and that they could bug out to. I don't have such a camp but do live in a reasonably remote area. I am more concerned with preparing my existing home as a bug in site. I am looking into a electric generator to power my place if the grid goes down. In the winter I would need electricity for running the furnace & blower if nothing else.

[Rick]

Just add up your wattage requirements. It should be listed on the nameplate of each item. Remember, too, that you have start up requirements that are higher than run requirements. Especially on compressors.

I took the opposite approach. I have alternative heat options so my generator runs my refrigerators and freezer along with the lights.

[Kudos]

The more I consider the realities of Bugging Out the more I realize just how tough it really would be. Camping out in the Woods for up to 3 days is manageable especially in the warmer months but making it during the Winter is a whole different story.
I also read a long article about securing meat sources long term. The fact is that the World has changed a lot since the days of the Frontiersmen and, frankly, there is not enough large and small game to sustain a mass of people for a prolonged period of time. In the Old Days Game was plentiful and relatively easy to procure.
The article even went on to mention that Hunters themselves would be at risk when people got desperate and realized it was easier to take a Deer from a Hunter than to try to Hunt one for themselves!
Overall, it was an interesting article and raised points most have never considered before. If anyone is interested I will try to find the article again.

[Rick]

Bugging out doesn't have to mean living in the wilderness. Your points are good ones however bugging out will most likely be some natural event like wildfire or man made event like a chemical spill. In some post apocalyptic world the real battleground, in my opinion, would be cattle and sheep farms. That's where the poaching would start. But, again, that's just my humble opinion.

[Kudos]

Someone is going to want the article so here it is:

Why ‘Living off the Land’ won’t work in a crisis
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/01/17/why-living-off-the-land-wont-work-in-a-crisis/

[Rick]

I've posted on this a couple of times but not lately so for the benefit of those that are new I'll re-post it here. The minute you bug out you become a refugee.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?17632-Refugees&highlight=refugee

[Wildthang]

I have several friends that are preppers and live in town. The plan is for all of them to bring their preps and come to my place, that's it. We will ban together and stand our ground in the country.

[Kudos]

Good point Rick and an interesting posting.
Bugging out has received some glamor in recent years but the practicalities of leaving your Home to take your chances "on the road" is potentially an act of desperation with a heap of dangers.
Bugging out on your own has its own set of dangers as well. If you get sick or have an accident you can really be in a whole world of hurt. It is true that the help and support of others is a key component in a survival scenario, safety in numbers and all that.
Placing yourself into a Refugee status is a dangerous situation as well as there will always be someone who wants what you have. People get scared, desperate and dangerous when they are hungry especially if they have children to feed.
Many who became refugees simply didn't make it despite there being large groups of people around them. The fact is that the others were simply trying to survive day-to-day and no longer had the energy to support those who had fallen due to exhaustion, hypothermia, sickness and injury.
With a dire lack of food and water most were in serious trouble after only a week or less.
As I said previously, leaving your Home and resources is not to be undertaken lightly and should really be viewed as a last resort.

[Kudos]

By the way, I was talking with a Military friend recently and asked how long a person can go without food and water before they become incapacitated.
Now we all know about the rule of three... three days without water and three weeks without food.
Anyway, his reply was interesting.
Assuming you are in good condition and reasonably fit, are in a cool climate and expending few calories it is possible to go for 9 days without food and water but you would be a mess at the end of it.
If you change any one of those parameters you could be in serious trouble within two to three days or less if the weather is hot and you are walking. Obviously, clean water is the key requirement with the emphasis on clean. Infected water could cause severe stomach and bowel issues which would reduce your body's ability to absorb water and hydrate properly.
An old Native American trick to keep your mouth moist....suck on a rounded pebble.

[Rick]

Mahatma Gandi went 21 days at the age of 74. Bhagat Singh went over 100 days. It can be done.

[Chuk]

I have had boucoup training in the Mil. and could live off the land for along time then, that was 4 decades ago. Now I'm in my 60's but still fit and in shape, trying to live off the land in a hunter-gathering mode at say 600-1000 calories a day would do me in in short order. If it came to an event that made you move quickly then your b.o. packs in your vehicles would be all you have, and it would turn into a life none would want to live i think. You expend a huge amount of energy/calories just trying to get firewood/water and food, We did a 7 day e&e in the Yakima desert in 69 with a knife and compass,and it about did us all in, young men well trained in the peak of conditioning. Don't let anyone tell you lizards and snakes taste just like chicken.

[Kudos]

Nature's Varied Menu -
Of course we must never overlook a wonderful meat resource - ROADKILL !!!
Nature's bounty adds unexpected variation to your diet.
Rat, I am told, can be most appealing and it is just a matter of redefining your taste buds to new Gourmet delicacies.
Of course, this is dependent upon there still being vehicles on the road!

I just wanted to remind you of this amazing food source - YUK

Apparently, the latest Edition of the "Rat-N-Roach Cookbook" is now available. Get yours today!

The Ratatoille with real braised Rat is amazing I am told!

[Kudos]

BTW thanks Chuk for your input.
Living off the Land is no Party even if you have been trained for it and start out in good physical condition. Few people realize just how hard life was for the Frontiersmen of old and even they packed a lot of food to sustain them.

Have we come to the conclusion that "Bugging Out" for a long period really isn't viable for most people yet and is, at best, a last resort action?

[Rick]

Here is a picture of "living off the land". This was during Germany's attack into Russia. Notice the bark has been stripped from the trees. That's what they ate trying to stay alive. Refugees don't have much choice.

http://www.xoxol.org/dem/peasants-in-forests-01.jpg (http://www.xoxol.org/dem/peasants-in-forests-01.jpg)

[finallyME]

Bugging out sucks, and would be a last resort, especially for me.......But there is always the chance that you would have to. Better to plan now.

[Wildthang]

I think bugging out would be OK if you had a peice of property with all the resources you could need with a cache of food, ammo and necessities. That is the only way I would consider it!

[Seniorman]

Here is some interesting information about the original, full time, 24/7/365 bugger-outers. Talk about adapting to one's environment and circumstances....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_MlaeUtkqU

Some made it and some didn't. I don't think I'd like to live like my ancestors, so I guess I'll stay at home. :laugh:

S.M.

[Rick]

IF I bug out it's going to look something like.....

http://www3.hilton.com/resources/media/hi/INDDNHF/en_US/img/hotel/roomtypeimages/main/INDDNHF_Hilton_Indianapolis_room_type_K1DRU1_2_386 x310_FitToBoxSmallDimension_Center.jpg (http://www3.hilton.com/resources/media/hi/INDDNHF/en_US/img/hotel/roomtypeimages/main/INDDNHF_Hilton_Indianapolis_room_type_K1DRU1_2_386 x310_FitToBoxSmallDimension_Center.jpg)

Fortunately, the Hilton has room service.

[Seniorman]

IF I bug out it's going to look something like.....

http://www3.hilton.com/resources/media/hi/INDDNHF/en_US/img/hotel/roomtypeimages/main/INDDNHF_Hilton_Indianapolis_room_type_K1DRU1_2_386 x310_FitToBoxSmallDimension_Center.jpg (http://www3.hilton.com/resources/media/hi/INDDNHF/en_US/img/hotel/roomtypeimages/main/INDDNHF_Hilton_Indianapolis_room_type_K1DRU1_2_386 x310_FitToBoxSmallDimension_Center.jpg)

Fortunately, the Hilton has room service.

Plus they also have valet parking for your bug out vehicle and a free Continental breakfast each morning. :cool:

S.M.

[SlowRide13]

... and you could prop one end of that sofa up onto the table to fashion a nice shelter.

[Kudos]

The Key to successfully Bugging Out to a Hotel is booking your room well in advance and paying up front for the time you expect to stay before money and Credit Cards become worthless. Then assuming there are still Staff working there and that food and water are still available you are set up.
The advantages of Luxury Bugging Out far surpass sitting under a Tarp in wet Woodland on a windy day.
Great suggestion Rick.....that one's going in my Book.

P.S. You don't even need to take your BOB !!!

[Rick]

Oh, I have to take the BOB. I have to have a change of hongs.

[Kudos]

I assume you meant a change of Thongs!
That is an image I didn't need to make my Life complete! LOL

[Rick]

You can't use that T word on here. Miss B gave us strict orders we were never to mention that again so I use the word hong instead. Still within the letter of the law as it were. Did you say you wanted to see a picture?

[Kudos]

Rick, thank you for your kind offer but no thank you! Please spare us from that image. The very thought of you in a Camouflage Posing Pouch could well be the last straw!
Some things are just better left unknown and open to conjecture.

[Rick]

Suit yourself. Just don't say I didn't offer.

[Sluggo]

Quickly bugging out with a family of five like mine would be a difficult undertaking.My plan started several years ago,I paid off our home on two acres,paid off any loans and refused to make more.I then purchased 43 acres a few miles from our paid off home.I paid the land off,built a 24x24 cabin,built and stocked a pond with panfish,and some cats.I purchased /made many hand tools (non electric),purchased and paid for a small band mill.I built a log arch to pull logs easily rather than having to cut and carry wood in small chunks( saves the back )we planted fruit trees,have tillable ground for gardening.Basically we have a second secluded quick get a way that is pre set up,comfortable and livable instantly.We also have a dug well with a hand pump.No one answer is correct,but in my mind with a family,bugging out in the dead of winter in the woods is just not reasonable,at least not my first choice.

[Kudos]

So you think you are Tough and could handle a real Bug Out Scenario??
Then read this account of a Bug out that actually happened and think again.

http://tinhatranch.com/learn-from-a-bug-out-that-actually-happened/#.Ut_riBDnaUk

[Seniorman]

So you think you are Tough and could handle a real Bug Out Scenario??Then read this account of a Bug out that actually happened and think again.

http://tinhatranch.com/learn-from-a-bug-out-that-actually-happened/#.Ut_riBDnaUk

Kudos, that remark is not only condescending to Sluggo and his accomplishments, but in addition, a juvenilistic analogy. Sluggo never mentioned how "tough" he was: he merely spoke of what he did on his private land. Seems you're kinda jealous of his forethought and resourcefulness.

Comparing the Lykov's dire situation in 1930 communist Russia, plunging helter-skelter out into the wilds of Siberia with practically nothing other than the clothes on their backs and some pots and seeds, to Sluggo's situation and preparations is like comparing apples to road apples. It doesn't equate.

S.M.

[Kudos]

Actually, "So you think you're Tough and could handle a real Bug Out scenario?" wasn't aimed at anyone at all.
It was simply said to encourage people to read the article. It is the most extreme example of Bugging out I could ever imagine especially for forty years!
Frankly, if you could survive what they went through you could survive most anything.

[Carney]

We need to look back at our forefathers, see what They went through, put ourselves in there shoes. The Roots of Survival are slipping away with every generation. Could we jump on a boat, sail a Pond, with what we could carry,& start aknew in a Foreign, Hostile land with what they had?

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[Rick]

If I were in my young 20's, a trusty weapon and a few hand tools I could do pretty well as I'm sure a lot could. A little bad luck on top of those things you mentioned and my answer would be different. The Vikings died out of Greenland because the weather changed. Jamestown saw many starve to death. My great ++++grandfather settle in New Sweden and we've made it this long. You have to wonder how sometimes.

[Sluggo]

We are already defeated if we are unprepared.I was lucky enough to have been raised on the farm,lessons taught to me are still used now.I remember my family talking about the great depression.Since they were farmers ( self sustaining) they had no idea the country was in a depression.life to them was the same everyday,they got up,ate ,worked the farm,ate and went to bed.If you don't plan and act now,waiting will be to late.

[Canadian-guerilla]

when the time comes, it's bug out for me
i have a primary BOL and 2 secondary BOL's

unless you have like-minded friends/neighbours for mutual support
bugging in is just saving yourself the cost of a coffin


defense thru mobility
better to recon your AO and find the bad guys
before they trap you in a static position

imo

[Rick]

Unless the bad guys are a blizzard, drought, earthquake or volcano.

[Batch]

Unless the bad guys are a blizzard, drought, earthquake or volcano.

Hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunami, flooding are known to not play nice with others as well.

But, it could be a fire that affects only your home and family.

Bugging out should be for when it would be safer or even more comfortable in a secondary residence or home. Safety and comfort are a perspective or state of mind. If any of the listed events created a situation where it would be more comfortable or safer to move into one of my family members homes until I could either restore the comfort or safety of my home or acquire a new home. Then I have several options in the area and away from the area.

You could throw in some far less likely scenarios. I would have to weigh the variables. But, the question still gets asked. Is it safe to stay in my home. Is it safe to travel and stay with family in this city? County? Region of the state? Out of state? Do I have the option of flying out?

I have a lot of options before I bug out to the woods. But, those options diminish when the problem is wide spread. If it is just the wife with me I may still be an asset to others with great shelters that are almost impossible to get to without being noticed. But, with each family member that needs me, my value to others is diminished.

I am not leaving a concrete shelter for a smaller nylon one unless you some how make the big concrete shelter less comfortable than the nylon one.

[Kudos]

I was thinking about what Canadian Guerilla said and he raises a good point. Most think of Bugging Out to a location and setting up Camp there. Possibly they already have a place selected with a cache hidden away.
But the point he made is valid, the ability to be mobile could be equally important to avoid being discovered.
What are your thoughts on mobility compared to a well established long term camp?

[Sluggo]

Nothing wrong with either one,the situation should be what guides you.

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