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Kudos
01-02-2014, 09:52 PM
Ok, we have all met them...The Weekend Survivalist sitting under his Tarp with his camping stove eating Spam and Barbeque Beans out of Cans.

Oh, he'll call himself a Survivalist and say he is getting prepared for the day the SHTF but is he really?

Sure he is having a good time away from the crowds but, in truth, is he really any more prepared than the average camper?

Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking this type of Guy and we all have a right to do it our own way but, could he really be any further removed from the cold and hard realities of long term sustainable living in the wilds?

Just how far do we really have to go to really consider ourselves prepared for the day we walk away from Society and try to make it long term in the Wilderness?

What are your thoughts?

DSJohnson
01-02-2014, 10:55 PM
Are you, like snowed in?
Very deep subject here.
1. What kind of pandemic/catastrophe makes Society/Rule of Law go away "long term"
2. What is the wilderness you refer to? The wilderness of a depopulated area/region/continent/hemisphere/planet?

crashdive123
01-02-2014, 11:16 PM
Personally I'm not planning on walking away from society and live long term in the wilderness.

Is there some sort of "coming events" that you believe to be probable to cause this? Orrrr - just table top role playing?


For training scenarios - to make them useful to all - try this template..... http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?5477-Survival-Scenario-Check-List

Kudos
01-02-2014, 11:28 PM
Hey crash
I was basically referring to a SHTF situation. There are many situations that may arise that could necessitate Bugging Out for a long or short term period.
I am aware of how fragile our way of life really is and any of several situations have a potential to arise.
BTW I checked out your link.

Do you want to set up a Scenario Thread for discussion purposes?

Kudos
01-02-2014, 11:52 PM
Ok DS
Let me try to address that.
As I am sure you are well aware, we are living in some very unusual times. The structure of society "could" be disrupted by Bad Weather, Economic Collapse, a Solar or deliberate EMP event, the failure of the Power grid and a plethora of other situations that singly or combined would amount to a SHTF situation.
In the event of a major situation we all have seen how disruptive these can be and how well the Emergency Services handle them. In the case of Katrina the smart ones got out and the remainder had to largely fend for themselves with the consequences of that.
Bugging Out from a Town etc. is not something to be undertaken lightly or with little planning and preparation and should only be undertaken as a last resort.
As this forum is about Wilderness Survival it really embraces two separate aspects. Finding yourself lost in the Wild and working to survive until rescue and deliberately placing yourself into a remote area to remove yourself from a perilous situation.
So I guess it refers to whichever way you choose to look at it.
But, choosing to "Head for the Hills" is not a soft option in any way and requires a totally different Mind set as well as a well developed Skill set.

As I am sure you realize by now I like to make people think about how they would handle a given set of circumstances and how they would prepare themselves should they ever arise - God forbid

Did I answer your question DS?

So what I am really saying is.... what are the skills required to survive compared to the Weekend Camper skills.

DSJohnson
01-03-2014, 12:29 AM
Kudos,
Yes, well, kinda anyway.
I came to this site because I found it doing a search for plans for building an out house. Here is my intro post to the Forum:
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?21327-Hello-the-fire-one-comin-in

Basically I take the Scout Oath very seriously and have for most of my life.
I also try to stick with the South Motto. I like it and it is a great excuse to learn more stuff and buy new toys... :):)

I think that your mind is the best B.O.B. you can have and the only one you will always have with you (I hope)
Surviving a bad storm is, to me at least, a world different than trying to survive loss of Rule of Law.
The skill set it takes to "survive" when it is 0 degrees outside and you are stranded in a car on the side of the road is so much different than trying to make a life after "it"
so my short answer to your last question is: No, not at all.

Kudos
01-03-2014, 12:59 AM
DS

I read your first post and understand where you are coming from.

I first really understood what survival tasted like when I lived remotely in the Jungle in The Yucatan. No electricity, no water from a faucet and no Hospital for 50 miles.

I lived in a Palapa (Native style) which is basically a stick house with a Palm frond roof except mine was "up-market" and had a concrete floor and a tin roof.
My General purpose water came from a 100 ft diameter and 100 ft deep water hole (one slip and it was all over)

The soil there is only an inch deep over limestone so you had to burn all kinds of waste - all kinds!

My only light source was a bulb powered by a 12 volt battery. My onlty contact with the outside world was a wind up radio and an English speaking Pirate Radio Station.
No power meant no refrigeration so cold beer and ice were a luxury and meat had to be fresh and cooked within a few hours of obtaining it.

I sure learned a lot, and rapidly, as the experience was darn close to a survival scenario.

Being in the Jungle I was surrounded by various animals who wanted to bite or sting me in some manner. There were Snakes that could kill you in a matter of minutes and trust me, being chased by a Snake intending to bite you is pretty scary and they can move pretty fast.
But, it was the Chiggers that really caused me misery - over 600 chigger bites! That is a different kind of hell my friends.

So what with the Wild Pigs, Foxes, Iguanas and more Mice than I could deter you can imagine Life was pretty interesting.

Well obviously I survived it and learned more skills that I could have anticipated. Certainly, it represented being at least 80% toward a true self sufficient Survival situation.

Try planting out and having the damn birds eat most of the young shoots you have carefully tended or the voracious Termites snack on them.

There were so many things that could have gone wrong and rapidly brought my stay to an abrupt end, but I made it through.

So DS that is my prolonged Wilderness Survival experience in a nutshell!

cowgirlup
01-03-2014, 11:36 AM
Kudos "So what I am really saying is.... what are the skills required to survive compared to the Weekend Camper skills"


IMO they are interchangeable. Maybe ramped up a bit for a more severe situation but they are basically the same set of skills and creativity.

Kudos
01-03-2014, 11:54 AM
Hi Cowgirl

Well ok, I beg to differ. As I see it there is a world of difference between the Weekend Camper compared with Survival skills. Please allow me to explain.

The Weekend Camper equipped with his convenient Stove tends not to have the skills to make fire in adverse conditions and in my experience rarely if ever uses anything more exotic than a Lighter or a Match to start a fire.
Also, the food is canned for convenience, nothing wrong with that, but would he have the essential skills to catch his food and sustain himself for a longer period.
His shelter again is convenient and though functional would provide little protection in colder weather especially without a Fire.
You see, I threw several elements into the explanation to endeavor to paint a picture.
As I see it, there is a world of difference between one equipped to Survive and the Weekend Camper, not least in essential skill sets and equipment.
Camping in fair to good circumstances is one thing but a Survival situation is very different whether you are in a Survival situation by choice or somehow it is forced upon you.
Wouldn't you agree?

Kudos
01-03-2014, 12:20 PM
Let's take a look at some essential Survival skills. Not necessarily in order.
1) The ability to make fire by a variety of methods under all conditions. Without Fire you have no heat, cannot cook or boil water.
2) The ability to find and purify water.
3) To be able to enhance a Shelter to retain heat especially in a long term scenario. Possibly to be able to build a shelter from scratch.
4) To know how to live off the land if necessary - what to eat (what not to) and how to secure a meat source.
5) To know and have what equipment is needed and possibly how to make essential items
6) How to move about stealthily and not be noticed
7) How to defend and protect himself.
8) The ability to navigate in areas not well known.
9) To know how to preserve food supplies to carry him through the lean times
10) A Psychological mind set to see him through the toughest times

That is just a short list and there are many, many I have not included. I am sure that collectively we could make a list of 100 elements to survival.
If Survival was easy we would have no need for any training or to develop any skills at all.
We, most of us anyway, live a cossetted lifestyle where food, supplies, shelter (and communications) are readily available. But remove those and the World is an uncomfortable place. When your meat no longer comes in plastic and your water supply is dark and muddy and the only source of heat is that which you made you had better know what you are doing.

Rick
01-03-2014, 12:28 PM
As Crash pointed out it depends on the scenario. Your assumption is the week-end camper and the person equipped to survive are mutually exclusive. In fact, they are more likely to be one and the same since folks that actually do get outdoors tend to have more knowledge about the outdoors than those who don't. Of course nothing is absolute. I spend week-ends camping and I don't cook much from a can but I do use a stove and I start a lot of fires with a match. Simply no reason not to. I've never practiced survival since I don't intend to place myself in that situation and you can't "practice" surviving.

Kudos
01-03-2014, 12:52 PM
I take your point Rick completely.
Sure, you can go off and take a course in Survival and for a weekend or more place yourself in a mode where you practice your skills equipped with only that which you have with you.
But, in the end you have a home to go to with all the comforts you enjoy.
I hope that none of us ever have to Survive for real where there is no Home to go to and no clear end to that situation.
Though I have lived an 80% survival scenario I still enjoyed some comforts and had money to buy food and the things I needed. Was it easy? Damn right it wasn't. Even then there were threats to my health and well being and numerous things that could have endangered and spoiled that experience.
Survival is something not to be undertaken lightly in any way.
Camping in the Woods is a wonderful outdoor pursuit. Primitive Camping is yet another skill set pretty far removed. Survival is a make-or-break situation that is hard in all respects with so many uncertainties that could end abruptly for a multitude of reasons.
Please do not misunderstand me. I see nothing wrong with the Woodland Weekend camper....nothing at all. I was simply aiming to point out how far removed that can be to having to sustain yourself and live through a Survival scenario.

BushTech
01-03-2014, 04:28 PM
Most weekend campers are definitely more connected to nature. Why would they be going out in the first place? BUT.......

That being said, definitely doesn't mean those campers know which tree to go to for primitive fire (much less have a successful attempt with it), which plants to seek out for fibrous materials for cord making, where a few medicinal plants are for common ailments or know how to identify a few edible greens & fruits, how to locate proper clay for pots, clean it, and fire it without cracking, how to locate game and trap or just shoot it, how to preserve that game, how to build proper shelters for whatever conditions, have the right attitude when things go wrong, are willing to constantly work harder than they've ever worked, etc... the list is practically never ending and what I've mentioned is only skimming the surface.

Personally, I believe campers and survivalists are two different things, and it seems to me that you're basing this thread on the honesty of those campers, whether or not they're giving an honest acount on the knowledge they have, and the skills they practice. I think most people know deep down if they have the knowledge to survive on their own in the wilderness, whether they're honest about it to us or not.

A survivalist is a survivalist, a camper is someone who goes camping. Any poser in a SHTF situation would be found out on the first day. This just seems like a pointless subject to me, IMO.

Kudos
01-03-2014, 04:41 PM
Hey Bush Tech

And you are right of course. The responses here have to be based upon an honest appraisal of ones skills and abilities.
Equally, you are right that those who say they can make it in extreme situations would be found out in short order.
So based upon that this entire thread could be seen as pointless but for the fact that it may cause a few to be reflective and quietly admit to themselves that just maybe they do need to work upon some other aspects of what they do.
This was not and is not intended to be a criticism of the Weekend Camper, far from it, but rather an opportunity to generate discussion of the fundamental divisions between the Camper and the "Die Hard" Survivalist.
But your points are well taken.

hunter63
01-03-2014, 05:01 PM
I'm not a survivalist on purpose....came close a few times, but prefer not to.

Mostly I hunt, gather, garden, build stuff,.....some times even these activities get a little touch and go.....so learning skills, to be used as needed is on my list.

I more posters on all these forums actually did go out and do a tarp and minimalist gear weekends....the would be a lot less RATTW threads....to Alaska, with a knife.

So I prefer Outdoorsman, or Hunter......

BENESSE
01-03-2014, 05:05 PM
This was not and is not intended to be a criticism of the Weekend Camper, far from it, but rather an opportunity to generate discussion of the fundamental divisions between the Camper and the "Die Hard" Survivalist.


I don't know if I'd call it a division, but there is definitely a difference in skill set and more importantly, a mind set between the two. IMO, to each his own; it's not a something that affects me or how I approach my preps.

1stimestar
01-03-2014, 06:10 PM
Let's take a look at some essential Survival skills. Not necessarily in order.
1) The ability to make fire by a variety of methods under all conditions. Without Fire you have no heat, cannot cook or boil water.

I see what you are trying to say but I am saying that some of us are never without a means to start a fire. Why would I use a drill bow when I can use a lighter or a match? I attempt to work smarter, not harder.

Rick
01-03-2014, 06:13 PM
These are the kind of tangents we get into when we talk about SHTF and no specific scenario is outlined. Everyone has a different opinion of what SHTF is so everyone has a different opinion of what it would take to survive it. That's why Crash put together the checklist. What if's like this are simply not controllable in a discussion.

finallyME
01-03-2014, 06:31 PM
Here is a different way to look at it:
First you have the "average camper". I think you are giving them more credit than they deserve. I think there is a BIG difference from the worst "weekend survivalist" and the slightly above average camper. And, the average camper is leaps and bounds better than the average out of the main population. Remember, the only difference between an experienced outdoorsman, and a weekend survivalist is experience. And, there is only one way to get experience.

Also, there are many stories of people with no survival knowledge that pull through to the end through shear determination and luck. Murphy just happened to be on their side. And, we have many stories of the opposite, people with lots of knowledge and experience who don't make it.

Kudos
01-03-2014, 06:55 PM
I agree with you entirely.

Survival really can come down to determination and luck even for the most experienced. When you throw yourself into an unknown set of circumstances frankly anything can happen. Sure, you can stack the odds in your favor but in the end all it can take is one slip, one animal attack, the inability to start a fire in bad conditions, hypothermia and the game is done.

Experience and skill certainly gives you an edge but in the Wilds there are so many things that can go wrong that it is truly a spin-of-the-wheel.

Once again you made some excellent points.

LowKey
01-03-2014, 09:23 PM
Are you putting down the guy sitting under his tarp eating spam and beans?
I'm all for anyone getting out there and living under the stars for a bit, even if it's with a rocket stove and a can of beans. Even if the guy tells you he's a "survivalist" maybe his idea of having to survive is being stuck out in the wilderness off the trail for 3 days and having to live off the contents of his pack. Is it a SHTF situation? To the guy lost for three days in the woods it is. Rather than SHTF, are you referring maybe to TEOTWAWKI? Totally different scenario.

Mankind (and womankind) have survived in the past with far less than the lists of things you are carrying around. Some do it now. Necessity is the mother of invention and a will to live, to survive, to make do, can win out in the end. It might be that in any hypothetical TETWAWKI situation people are not going to be able to do it all all by themselves. The major failing of the Survival Movement at this point is that it perpetuates the single person, the single family unit, at the very most a single small group as the only way to survive. The distrusting nature of survivalists doesn't allow them to pool common resources in neighborhoods.

I've been met with derision in other forums and at some public gatherings with the suggestion that communities, especially those in high risk areas (tornado and hurricane) should be laying in supplies as a township as in the old Fallout Shelter days so they can be more self-reliant in the event of a community disaster. Get at least one gas station and one market in the community on generator power. Get vital buildings such as hospitals up to snuff (NYC hospitals with generators below tidal level...bad idea.) Teach kids basic skills in school, especially how to problem solve and think things through. Get the adults out of the mindset that citizens have to wait for the Gubmint to come help.

You don't have to share your personal accumulated "stuff" but rather than grabbing your bag and bugging out, is there anything you can do now in your community to raise awareness so bugging out isn't necessary? Or is it too late? Has the sense of self-reliance and self-determination been beaten out of 90% of the population? If so, maybe we do need a "back to the Stone Age" event.

natertot
01-03-2014, 09:46 PM
Kudos, You seem to be of the impression that survival has but one meaning and it doesn't. Survival to me means day to day life such as driving safe, having the means to protect myself, preventing house fires and intrusions and so on. Am I prepper? To a degree. I have multiple weeks of food on hand, I know some first aid and keep some items available, I plan for utility outages and so on. I prepare for these events because they happen and they happen often. When was the last time an all out war occurred on our soil? Famine? Total economic collapse? EMP? Now, I am not saying these events can't occur or that people shouldn't prepare for them. I just know that I will have at least some type of utility outage once every six months or so. Last time was six weeks ago and it was our gas. Point being, I would be better off "surviving" things that are certain than freaking out over obscure things.

If the guy under the tarp is doing what he feels is necessary to be a survivalist, then so be it. Just do what you feel like you need to do. Now, would someone pass the baked beans? I'm kinda hungry!

LowKey
01-03-2014, 09:53 PM
Thanks for the reminder. Supposed to bring beans to a pot luck supper tomorrow. Best get them soaking.

cowgirlup
01-05-2014, 05:02 AM
Hi Cowgirl

Well ok, I beg to differ. As I see it there is a world of difference between the Weekend Camper compared with Survival skills. Please allow me to explain.

The Weekend Camper equipped with his convenient Stove tends not to have the skills to make fire in adverse conditions and in my experience rarely if ever uses anything more exotic than a Lighter or a Match to start a fire.
Also, the food is canned for convenience, nothing wrong with that, but would he have the essential skills to catch his food and sustain himself for a longer period.
His shelter again is convenient and though functional would provide little protection in colder weather especially without a Fire.
You see, I threw several elements into the explanation to endeavor to paint a picture.
As I see it, there is a world of difference between one equipped to Survive and the Weekend Camper, not least in essential skill sets and equipment.
Camping in fair to good circumstances is one thing but a Survival situation is very different whether you are in a Survival situation by choice or somehow it is forced upon you.
Wouldn't you agree?

No, I don't agree. You seem to have a very narrow minded view of things and other people in general. You assume that anyone who wants to camp in some type of comfort has no other skill set. Or that the only SHTF situation out there involves being forced into the wilderness with absolutely nothing. Everything isn't always that black and white. But I'm not going to launch into a bunch of examples because I think it would be a waste of time with you.

Batch
01-05-2014, 04:48 PM
I read an article the other day about people dying in all that cold weather up north. In it a woman said it wasn't so bad. She said she hurried from her heated house to her heated car and then from her heated car to her heated workplace. She actually said that it was no different than living in Florida and hurrying from air conditioned home to air conditioned car to air conditioned job.

She will most likely survive the cold. If her car breaks down she can use her cell phone to call for help. She has assembled her survival material, a heated house and comfortable stuff in it. A dependable car and a decent job. She could do more. Some here will say a lot more. But, she lives there and she has done this everyday and it has worked so far.

The guy under the tarp is the same. He feels he has taken it to the next level. Chances are when you ran into him it was a nice day and that is why you and he chose to be out in the woods. He carried his shelter, food and stove in. Like the people with the lighter and matches that don't need anything else. He may feel that as long as he has those things he is fine. Like going from your car to your house. It ain't so bad. Unless something stops you and takes you out of your comfort zone.

Kudos
01-05-2014, 06:06 PM
Yup, it's all good until one or more elements of day to day life break down.
We rely so heavily on the comforts of Life and in general never even consider the ramifications of being without what we take for granted.
When your car won't start it is a major inconvenience. When the power goes out we tend to sit around waiting for it to come back on - immobilized.
When your Cell Phone doesn't work you feel cut off.
Think of a situation with no car, no power and no phone. Most people could not even comprehend what that would mean.
But what the heck, if it did happen they would get it fixed in a day or two - RIGHT?

crashdive123
01-05-2014, 07:37 PM
You seem to talk about (in your posts) apocalyptic outcomes to so much.

I'm not discounting the possibilities of and EMP or of another wide scale disaster, but what is more likely ---- loss of power from an EMP or the power lines being taken out in a car/weather incident? ---- car down because of an EMP or leaking water pump? ---- cell and home phones down from and EMP or because of system overloads because of a localized event?

When I and many other prepare, it is for what is more probable. Of course, many of those preparations will carry over into other potential needs. I encourage everybody to sit down and do a serious threat assessment based on their geographic location, time of year and current events.

There is no right or wrong when evaluating what we all perceive to be threats to us....until of course after an event. The point of my post is to say to people - prepare for what is likely, not the latest novel or movie. Please don't get me wrong - those novels and movies can get everybody thinking and pointed in the right direction. We just need to be realistic about it.

Rick
01-05-2014, 10:08 PM
I concur. Here is a list I've posted before of items that are far more likely to occur than EMP events or a zombie outbreak.

I plan for a natural or man made disaster. I'll give you a list and the definitions because it's part of my overall family disaster plan:

Biological Threat: A biological attack is the deliberate release of germs or other biological substances that can make you sick. Many agents must be inhaled, enter through a cut in the skin or be eaten to make you sick. Some biological agents, such as anthrax, do not cause contagious diseases. Others, like the smallpox virus, can result in diseases you can catch from other people.

Chemical Threat: A chemical attack is the deliberate release of a toxic gas, liquid or solid that can poison people and the environment.

Dam Failure: A dam failure or levee breach is a catastrophic event characterized by the sudden, rapid, and uncontrolled release of impounded water.

Earthquakes: An earthquake is the sudden, rapid shaking of the Earth, caused by the breaking and shifting of subterranean rock.

Explosion: A release of mechanical, chemical or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.

Extreme Heat: An extended period of high temperatures often accompanied by high humidity.

Fire: A state, process or instance of combustion in which fuel or other material is ignited and combined with oxygen, giving off light, heat, and flame.

Flood: Refers to the overflowing of normally dry areas, often after heavy rains. Flood is usually applied to the overflow of a great body of water, as, for example, a river, although it may refer to any water that overflows an area.

Hazardous Material: Any substance or mixture of substances having properties capable of producing adverse effects on the health and safety or the environment of a human being.

Hurricane: A severe tropical storm that forms in the southern Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and in the eastern Pacific Ocean.

Influenza Pandemic: A pandemic is a global disease outbreak. An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza A virus emerges for which there is little or no known immunity in the human population and the virus begins to cause serious illness and then spreads easily person-to-person worldwide.

Landslide/Debris Flow: Landslides, also known as mudslides and debris flows, are the downward falling or sliding of a mass of soil, detritus or rock on or from a steep slope. They can be caused by a variety of factors including earthquakes, storms, and fires.

Nuclear Threat: An explosion with intense light and heat, a damaging pressure wave and widespread radioactive material that can contaminate the air, water and ground surfaces for miles around. An event typically recognized with an attack by a foreign power.

Nuclear Power Plant Emergency: An accident comprised by the release of radioactive material from the plant into the environment, usually characterized by a plume (cloud-like formation) of radioactive gases and particles. The major hazards to people in the vicinity of the plume are radiation exposure to the body from the cloud and particles deposited on the ground, inhalation of radioactive materials, and ingestion of radioactive materials.

There are two “emergency planning zones” in the event of an accident. One zone covers an area within a 10-mile radius of the plant, where it is possible that people could be harmed by direct radiation exposure. The second zone covers a broader area, usually up to a 50-mile radius from the plant, where radioactive materials could contaminate water supplies, food crops, and livestock.

Radiation Threat: A radiation threat, commonly referred to as a "dirty bomb" or radiological dispersion device (RDD)", is the use of common explosives to spread radioactive materials over a targeted area. It is not a nuclear blast. The force of the explosion and radioactive contamination will be more localized.

Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Thunderstorm: A transient storm of lightning and thunder, usually with rain and gusty winds, sometimes with hail or snow, produced by cumulonimbus clouds.

Tornado: A localized, violently destructive windstorm occurring over land, esp. in the Mid-West, and characterized by a long, funnel-shaped cloud extending toward the ground and made visible by condensation and debris.

Tsunami: Tsunamis, also known as seismic sea waves, are enormous waves caused by an underground disturbance such as an earthquake or volcanic eruption. They can move hundreds of miles per hour and hit land with waves topping 100 feet in height.

Volcano: A vent in the earth's crust through which lava, steam, ashes, etc., are expelled, either continuously or at irregular intervals.

Wildfire: Any large fire that spreads rapidly and is hard to extinguish.

Winter Storm or Extreme Cold: a severe winter condition characterized by low temperatures, strong winds, and heavy blowing snow.

Each of these threats is identified, evaluated and ranked as part of my family's written response plan.

Rick
01-05-2014, 10:12 PM
We are currently in the midst of a winter storm and extreme cold. The high today was 32. It will be -13 by tomorrow morning. We have winds of up to 40 mph and about 10 inches of snow fell today. All of my preps have been put into place for both scenarios. That includes emergency communications, generator checked, emergency heat ready, outside vehicles have lights on in the engine compartment and an abundance of milk, bread and eggs.

Ken
01-06-2014, 01:27 AM
"The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. (Robert Burns)

The best SHTF survival plan in the world may not succeed because of a broken leg, a heart attack, a kidney stone too large to pass, and a list of other events too long to mention.

2dumb2kwit
01-06-2014, 09:28 AM
"The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. (Robert Burns)

The best SHTF survival plan in the world may not succeed because of a broken leg, a heart attack, a kidney stone too large to pass, and a list of other events too long to mention.

Having you bug out bag in the trunk of your car......but not being able to find your trunk key. LOL

rebel
01-06-2014, 10:09 AM
-25 here with a wind chill of -50. My survival plan is to stay inside.

A quote from Tony Nestor's book Bushcraft Tips and Tools: "...survival...entails handling a short-term emergency (1-3 days) and staying alive until searchers can get to you. Bushcraft goes beyond this is and is not so much about surviving but about living well in the wilds..."

I'm just going to keep plodding along and work on knowledge, skills and supplies. As I see it, there's always room for improvement.

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