Kel-Tec SU-16B for a first-time 5.56 rifle?

[GreatUsername]

Hello again, with another entry from what appears to be my new Kel-Tec addiction (OMGWTFBBQ KSG!!! <--- me a few months ago)

I'm getting to the point where my meager collection of two .22lr bolt actions and one fowling shotgun is fun and all, but I'm wanting to get a better rifle or carbine for self-defense (and/or hunting?), but on my college student budget, I can't afford mainstream prices. Therefore, I had to abandon hope (for now) of getting most AR-15 variants, a Tavor SAR, or any lever-actions in the calibers I wanted. Tightening my belt, I've turned once again to Kel-Tec, and I have to say that I like what I'm seeing, but would like some second opinions.

At first I wanted the SUB-2000, the fold-in-half 9mm/.40sw carbine (I'd go for the 9mm, myself) because I want a 9mm handgun someday, and this carbine can take glock, barretta, s&w, or sig pistol mags, depending on preferred configuration, but then I realized that though I'd be buying it for use as a rifle, my age may not allow me access to 9mm because it's "handgun ammo" and being in the "you're an adult, but not quite" range of 18-20, I'm disqualified. Does anyone know if I would be okay, so long as it's clearly for my rifle? .22lr is often a handgun round, but no one seems to complain about that here (when I can find it) but 9mm is clearly rarer in longarms. Remember, I live in the Seattle area, so it's a gun-tollerant environment, not super anti-gun, but certainly not gun-friendly either. Thoughts on purchasing 9mm?

Anyways, the one I'm REALLY excited about and probably going to get when I have the money, even though it costs a little more than the SUB-2000, is an SU-16B. http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/su-16b/rifle/ The price-tag is still less than almost all AR-variants I've seen online, and yet has reputedly "mini-14 accuracy" which is good enough for me. It also folds its stock under, and the foregrip is a built in bi-pod (yes, I know, it's flimsy as H'e11, but it's also not a huge deal for me as I don't usually use bipods anyways) and when compacted down it is a comfortable two feet long, which is not as good as the SUB-2000's closed length of 16" but it will do. The effective range is (based off youtube demonstrations) up to 400 yds for a competent shooter, and the sights on the "B" model are better than the "A" that came before. Why not the other models? Well, I like the stock on the A and B better, as it looks and reportedly feels more sturdy, and it also houses additional magazines/one additional pmag. The B is also the second cheapest model, and has a longer sight-radius than the more popular C model, and I'm not going to afford an SBR permit, so the D models are out. The CA model is CA-compliant, 'nuff said. B is my best choice from this line.

At 4.5 lbs unloaded, that's a sweet little black-gun. I know that there are AR and AK variants that are cheapish, but this so far appears to be my best option, unless the SUB-2000 is not going to be an ammo-purchase headache for me (I know it's not in the same class as a 5.56 carbine, but I'd rather pay 20 cents per shot instead of 50, so long as it's legal)

Your thoughts, oh wise ones?

[crashdive123]

If hunting is in your cards - there are much better and less expensive options.

[Rick]

The same is true for self defense.

I have the Sub-2000 in .9mm with the Glock 19 handgrip and my EDC is a Kel-Tec PF9. The only issue I've ever had was with the PF9 when it was new. I had a couple of rounds that didn't feed correctly in the first 100 rounds but no problem since and never a problem with the Sub-2000.

I have an AR-15 but I didn't buy it for hunting or self defense. I bought it because I wanted it, which is probably why a lot of folks buy them.

Have you considered used weapons? You can find excellent used weapons if you look around and are patient. Most of them are not shot to pieces. Sometimes gun shops get in estate guns that have been well taken care of and shot very little. You wind up with a like new weapon for a used weapon price. Lord knows my Mosins were no where near new but they shoot just fine.

[hunter63]

Judging by the options presented looks like you are wanting a EBR?, for self defense?

9mm is a very poor hunting round, so I guess you need to look at your priorities, and make you decision based on your use.

Personally I would cover any hunting needs first, if you have the desire or need,... then head into the EBR world when finances permit.

As far a specific makes and models, can't comment as auto loaders are not on my must have list...got a few for "just because", but do not consider them high on any list.

My list:
Shotgun 12 or 20 ga (any)
.22 (any)
Scoped long shooter .243 up to .30 cal (any)
.38/357 wheel gun prefer S&W or Ruger
.62 cal smooth bore flint lock

Everything else comes after the basics and is "just because I want one", and are fun to shoot.

JMHO

[GreatUsername]

Hunting is not much of a consideration for me actually. I'm looking mainly at self-defense/wrol in a city environment, and the ability to hunt is more in an emergency and/or pest-control capacity. I'm not really into hunting just for the fun of it, and recognize that there are some cheaper, better, higher-caliber bolt-actions and single shots that would better fit the bill for that.

[hunter63]

Well seems your mind is made up, you are just working out the details.............

[Rick]

Remember too that 5.56 in a defense role will go through walls. In most cases you are talking about sheetrock, greenboard and some kind of siding like aluminum or vinal. 5.56 will skate right through it and you might wind up shooting someone you never intended to whether you are inside or outside when you pull the trigger if you happen to miss your target.

[GreatUsername]

Remember too that 5.56 in a defense role will go through walls. In most cases you are talking about sheetrock, greenboard and some kind of siding like aluminum or vinal. 5.56 will skate right through it and you might wind up shooting someone you never intended to whether you are inside or outside when you pull the trigger if you happen to miss your target.

Good point, that's a factor in favor of the SUB-2000 and 9mm then. A question unrelated to the OP, but something I've wondered about for a while: how good are rock-salt shells for shotguns? My thinking here is to either have a "normal" pump-action loaded with two rounds of salt before upping to metal shot, or to get the KSG when I have the money and load one magazine tube with rock-salt, and the other with more lethal stuff. Is rock-salt a better option for not punching through walls? Is it effective enough that you would recommend it?

[Rick]

I don't know if .9mm would be better than 5.56 or not. Someone smarter than me will have to answer that. My understanding is 5.56 tends to tumble so wall penetration might actually be less than a .9mm.

Does anyone know of a chart comparing wall penetration to stopping power?

I'm not much on non-lethal rounds if it's a self defense situation. I'm not going to use my EDC unless I truly have to but if I do I want to know that it will put the bad guy down and he stays down. I don't want to just pizz him off.

On the rock salt, I know of a farmer that used a combination of rock salt and cut up soybeans to discourage watermelon theft. The rock salt was bad but the soybeans absorb body fluids and swell. Yeah, not pretty.

[Rick]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

[Rick]

Oh, one other thing to mention is that shooting inside is not going to be good on your eardrums. You'll probably be saying "What?!" a lot over the next couple of days.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

JMO, Black guns attract attention, that is if your not looking for attention.

[GreatUsername]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

Aaaaaaaand nevermind the gun for self-defense inside my apartment, a baseball bat is the only ethical thing, where my neighbors are considered. That, or maybe a bow....

(granted, I was aiming more for a BOG or a BIG or something of that sort, plus something that would be fun to plink with, but I think now I'm going for "fun to plink with" and nothing else. Shooting through 6 walls is silly. I'm not going to want to shoot anywhere in a city (especially indoors) when there are thin walls with people behind them everywhere. Guns are for rural areas O_o )

[hunter63]

..............................I'm not much on non-lethal rounds if it's a self defense situation. I'm not going to use my EDC unless I truly have to but if I do I want to know that it will put the bad guy down and he stays down. I don't want to just pizz him off.

On the rock salt, I know of a farmer that used a combination of rock salt and cut up soybeans to discourage watermelon theft. The rock salt was bad but the soybeans absorb body fluids and swell. Yeah, not pretty.

I know that farmer....and it does hurt.
On a lighter note...If I shoot, they better go down, and stay down.....Not gonna fool with non-lethal stuff in my house.

[GreatUsername]

I know that farmer....and it does hurt.
On a lighter note...If I shoot, they better go down, and stay down.....Not gonna fool with non-lethal stuff in my house.

Ah, but will you fool with lethal stuff in your house, your neighbor's house, the road and cars behind that house, and the house across the street?

I'm sorry, I'm just a little freaked out about how much behind-target damage potential a bullet has. How can one plan to use a gun ethically without endangering their community?
^that's not a cynical rhetorical question, what can be done in order to make one's use of a firearm for self-defense justafiable, in regards to not putting your neighbors or others in your home at risk?

[hunter63]

That's why its a shot gun with bird shot........

[crashdive123]

Ah, but will you fool with lethal stuff in your house, your neighbor's house, the road and cars behind that house, and the house across the street?

I'm sorry, I'm just a little freaked out about how much behind-target damage potential a bullet has. How can one plan to use a gun ethically without endangering their community?
^that's not a cynical rhetorical question, what can be done in order to make one's use of a firearm for self-defense justafiable, in regards to not putting your neighbors or others in your home at risk?

Use Glaser Safety Slugs in your handgun or some other type of frangible ammunition. Still lethal, but will not over penetrate.

[Phaedrus]

An entry level EBR is about the same price as the Kel-Tec. I've read good stuff about the KT, but I haven't seen one in person. Here's a crazy idea...do you have a Wal-Mart in your area? Ours have Windham M4-geries for around $800 and DPMS rifles starting at $650. WM does layaway too, for the holidays.

[GreatUsername]

Dunno about you guys, but in my area EBRs are generally around $1000, with only the low-end ones being down around $800. Granted, I don't know what a KT goes for here, but EBRs are generally more expensive in the Seattle area (or western WA in general) than some places elsewhere in the country. Meh... I can't buy one for a while anyways.

If some of you guys are wondering why I want one now and don't want to save up for a better one like a Ruger SR556, it's simply as a stopgap measure. Someday I can afford the nice things, the Tavor being my goal. But for now, I want SOME EBR before the prices rise further, and legal restrictions tighten.

Layaway would be cool, but no WM has anything remotely tactical/military-style here whatsoever, they sell only hunting rifles and fowling shotguns. Anything tactical can only be gotten from gun-stores, because people here aren't as comfortable with them.

The one Wal-Mart I know of here that has a firearms section usually has eight longarms available at any given time, and 5000 rounds of ammo total. Pretty sparse, as I imagine most of you guys on this forum have a bigger inventory than this WM. Different culture, different place.

[Rick]

If and when you do look for the EBR look at Rock River Arms. A smart fellah once put me on to them and I've never regretted the purchase. At the time they had three or four versions of the Operator.

http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=213

[GreatUsername]

maybe... that pricetag is higher than I can afford for several months.

[Phaedrus]

I would suggest maybe looking at Windham at Bud's online. (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_1062/products_id/77545/Windham+Weaponry+R16M4FTT+M4+A3+223+16+RAIL+30R) It's well under $800 with free shipping, and Bud's does layaway. You put 20% down and have 90 days to pay it off. In case you're wondering I've bought five or six guns on layaway from there and have one on layaway right now. I've had nothing but good luck with them, with one caveat- KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BUYING! Look at the model # and do your research. They can't tell you anything at all about the gun and can't/won't go look in the box. If you know precisely what you want their prices and service are very good.

They actually have lots of EBRs there. For $1100 you can get a Bravo BCM, one of the better rifles out there for under $2000. They also have a good stock of Daniel Defense, also one of the best you can get.

[GreatUsername]

Even with layaway, $1100 is too much. I'm going to have to save for months just to afford something in the low $700s

The cost of living in my part of Seattle is not ideally suited to my paycheck, but moving's not an option either. Debt's not a good idea for me right now.

[PopPop]

If you are truly concerned about WROL in an urban environment, you should also consider that battlefield pick ups could be an opportunity to up gun. Look into the reasoning behind the Liberator Pistol, air dropped into Nazi occupied France. That is the concept.

[DSJohnson]

GUN,
I think I understand your desire to own a firearm for self defense now as opposed to not. I even understand your desire to own a self loading center fire rifle right now. I would ask that you give serious consideration to looking at buying a used pump action shotgun. You can do that here on the internet at several different auction sites. Here is my thinking on why a shotgun.
1. Typically they are a pretty straight forward fire-arm to acquire a good working skill of.
2. They are very versatile. You can can buy a multitude of different type of ammo depending on what your needs/wants are.
3. Relative to most self loading center-fire riles they are much less expensive. You can buy a good used Remington 870 12 gauge online for less than $350.
4. They are extremely effective in self defense situations, especially inside of a structure.
5. They are pretty "low profile" if you are concerned about that. By that I mean folks don't automatically "jump to conclusions" if they happen to discover that you have a shotgun. Not the same impact to your teachers, fellow students an other folks around you as if they find out that you own an "Assault Rifle".
6. You can buy shotgun ammo almost anywhere in the United States. It is very rare to not be able to find any town west of the Mississippi that will not have someplace that sells shotgun ammo.

In the last 40 or so years I have learned a couple of things. Among them I have learned that when someone wants to buy a certain type/kind/brand of firearm they like having people agree with them about it being a "good" idea. So they will ask "Hey what do you think about me buying (insert whatever)?" BUT they have already made the mental commitment to themselves that they WANT to buy this one certain type/kind/brand. So that when folks say "Well that is a great gun and if you want one you should buy it" The original person will say something like "Oh No I want to do this(again insert whatever fits) with it so isn't this the best gun for that?" Meaning "Please agree with me so I can feel good about buying (whatever you really want to buy)"

Look at what you want, figure what you can afford and enjoy it. If you want a Kel-Tec knock yourself out. But recognize what it is that you are doing and why.

I have several self-loading center-fire rifles and I enjoy all of them. A couple I have had since I was a teenager, one I bought less than a month ago. I hope you enjoy getting to shoot your rifle and that it brings you years of good service. I only hope that ammo does not get any harder to find.....else you will have a hard time being able to afford to learn how to shoot it and get it sighted in. I figure you will use up at least 500 rounds doing that.

[Phaedrus]

Even with layaway, $1100 is too much. I'm going to have to save for months just to afford something in the low $700s

The cost of living in my part of Seattle is not ideally suited to my paycheck, but moving's not an option either. Debt's not a good idea for me right now.

Not saying you need to buy now, but the Windham I linked to is well under $800. Their base models aren't much over $650 and the layaway term is 90 days. Obviously it's nice to just pay cash, but there's no interest or fees on Bud's layaway.

[Phaedrus]

BTW, I think DSJohnson makes a great point. The EBR is icing on the cake but I can't imagine buying one if I didn't already have 12 gauge shottie! I keep a nearly-stock 870 Remington leaning in the corner of my bedroom. So far the only things I've done are adding a sidesaddle and bought a forearm from Magpul that has a small rail section for a light. I still want to get the Magpul buttstock but beyond that I won't do anything to it. A shotgun is indeed a very versatile firearm; you can accomplish many 'missions' by simply changing ammo. With slugs it's very effective for large game within 100 yards, with birdshot it's great for birds and small game, and with buckshot it's good for hunting and defense. Shotguns fly 'under the radar' to a great degree and even places with pretty restrictive gun laws you can often have a shottie.

A high quality shotgun is pretty inexpensive compared to most rifles. I bought my 870 locally for around $350 with tax. Ammo is relatively inexpensive, too. You can get trap/skeet/target loads for around $25/100 at any Wal-mart and buckshot is generally well under $1/round.

[hunter63]

DSJ, good point and good post.....Most people just want agreement on their ideas.

Plus one.

[Rick]

+2. Nothing against the OP but I agree as well. Hey, we're all like that. When you hear or say, "what do you think?" folks are generally looking for agreement.

[hunter63]

The only thing I have ever changed my opinion on ....form input by other on the interweb.......is maybe the Mosin Nagant.
I used to think. why would I spend the money for a old worn out junk Russian rifle, when I could add another $100 bucks and have a new real rifle.

They are a disease....and once bit...as they say,..... it's all down hill from there.

[ElevenBravo]

This is my personal opinion from previous ownership of an SU-16... Its not worth having. Period. You would do much better to simply get an SKS and be done with it. Great weapon for hunting and personal protection.

However, I feel you will end up getting the KelTec no matter who says what. Replace the extractor first, it takes a standard AR extractor, that should solve 75% of your failures.

GL,
EB

[Phaedrus]

This is my personal opinion from previous ownership of an SU-16... Its not worth having. Period.

B-b-but...Nutnfancy says it's awesome!:drool::clap:

[GreatUsername]

GUN,
I think I understand your desire to own a firearm for self defense now as opposed to not. I even understand your desire to own a self loading center fire rifle right now. I would ask that you give serious consideration to looking at buying a used pump action shotgun. You can do that here on the internet at several different auction sites. Here is my thinking on why a shotgun.
1. Typically they are a pretty straight forward fire-arm to acquire a good working skill of.
2. They are very versatile. You can can buy a multitude of different type of ammo depending on what your needs/wants are.
3. Relative to most self loading center-fire riles they are much less expensive. You can buy a good used Remington 870 12 gauge online for less than $350.
4. They are extremely effective in self defense situations, especially inside of a structure.
5. They are pretty "low profile" if you are concerned about that. By that I mean folks don't automatically "jump to conclusions" if they happen to discover that you have a shotgun. Not the same impact to your teachers, fellow students an other folks around you as if they find out that you own an "Assault Rifle".
6. You can buy shotgun ammo almost anywhere in the United States. It is very rare to not be able to find any town west of the Mississippi that will not have someplace that sells shotgun ammo.

In the last 40 or so years I have learned a couple of things. Among them I have learned that when someone wants to buy a certain type/kind/brand of firearm they like having people agree with them about it being a "good" idea. So they will ask "Hey what do you think about me buying (insert whatever)?" BUT they have already made the mental commitment to themselves that they WANT to buy this one certain type/kind/brand. So that when folks say "Well that is a great gun and if you want one you should buy it" The original person will say something like "Oh No I want to do this(again insert whatever fits) with it so isn't this the best gun for that?" Meaning "Please agree with me so I can feel good about buying (whatever you really want to buy)"

Look at what you want, figure what you can afford and enjoy it. If you want a Kel-Tec knock yourself out. But recognize what it is that you are doing and why.

I have several self-loading center-fire rifles and I enjoy all of them. A couple I have had since I was a teenager, one I bought less than a month ago. I hope you enjoy getting to shoot your rifle and that it brings you years of good service. I only hope that ammo does not get any harder to find.....else you will have a hard time being able to afford to learn how to shoot it and get it sighted in. I figure you will use up at least 500 rounds doing that.

This is the perfect response. You're some kind of mind-reader, I think! I do have a shotgun already, but it's not really combat-fit... so I'll look into getting a riot barrel for it in the meantime, and then get the kel-tec in a few months when I have more to spend.

[yellowcab]

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