View Full Version : Flu shots er no ?
Jessthebuilder
10-09-2013, 12:52 PM
Hey people. It getting to be that time of year when people strt getting ill. I personally do not like to get a flu shots. I got two of them in back to back years. Both times I got sick. So I decided I'll just take my chances. Eat right, wash my hands often, and avoid people not feeling well.
So just wondering what others thought about them. I see signs all over "Get your flu shot here", so lots of folks must be getting them?
Lets hear your yeah er, no way.
Wildthang
10-09-2013, 12:59 PM
I use to feel that way, but last year the girls talked me into taking a flu shot, and I never got sick once. That was the first winter in a long time that I haven't at least got bronchitis or something!
I am going to take another one real soon, and it didn't make me sick. I think the newer vaccines are better and don't make as many people sick as the old ones did!
If you mean you contracted the flu even though you had taken the flu shot that's very probable. The shot you take only targets specific strains of flu. You can easily contract any other strain. Or, the illness you had may not have been the flu at all but some other infection that had similar symptoms. Food borne illness often mimics flu symptoms. In a typical year the seasonal flu vaccine protects against three strains of flu virus; two A and one B virus. This year's offering happens to cover four; two A and two B viruses.
It's impossible for a flu shot to make you sick unless you develop an allergic reaction for some reason. The virus contained in the vaccine is dead or weakened to the point they can not create illness. That does however allow your immune system to develop antibodies against that particular strain(s) of flu.
I received my shot yesterday.
I received my shot yesterday.
Was that neat or on the rocks?
It was neat. She did a pretty good job. I even got a lollipop after the shot. Well, after I stopped crying.
Jessthebuilder
10-09-2013, 03:01 PM
It was neat. She did a pretty good job. I even got a lollipop after the shot. Well, after I stopped crying.
Its okay Rick. Real men cry when they get stabbed with needles. And lollipops do make it better. Lol
1stimestar
10-09-2013, 03:16 PM
Nope. And yes you might get sick from the shot since the flu shot is the only vaccination that Thimerisol is still allowed as an ingredient. Thimerisol is mercury. So while you might not get the flu from the flu shot, your immune system may be so compromised from the Thimerisol that you are susceptible to other ickies.
Ranger F
10-09-2013, 03:19 PM
My wife worked where they make m, she won't get one now. I haven't had since I was a kid. I'll take my chances
1stimestar - Do you have a source for that on the immune system?
The single dose does not contain Thimerasol. The multi-dose packs do. In addition, vaccines for children under 6 haven't had it since 2001.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
WolfVanZandt
10-09-2013, 06:54 PM
I do believe in flu vaccination both for individual health and to minimize the spread of flu (and all kinds of economic ramifications) through the population. Myself, wellllllll......the last time I had the flu (and I work with the public) was 1981. I got over it in a couple of days but developed a long term, devastating bronchitis. As it is, I don't need to worry about infectious disease nearly as much as I need to worry about waking up my overactive immune system. So, no, I don't take the flu vaccine.
1stimestar
10-09-2013, 11:28 PM
Sorry, this is just a quick look due to me still being at work.
1stimestar - Do you have a source for that on the immune system?
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[QUOTE]A team of cell biologists, toxicologists and molecular bioscientists at UC Davis has published a study connecting thimerosal with disruptions in antigen-presenting cells known as dendritic cells obtained from mice. The study provides the first evidence that dendritic cells show unprecedented sensitivity to thimerosal, resulting in fundamental changes in the immune system's ability to respond to external factors. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060322183922.htm
Oct 23, 2012 by DAVE MIHALOVIC
If You Would Like To Depress Your Immune System, Get This Year's Flu Shot
Other than a depressed immune system with a side serving of carcinogenic, immunotoxic, neurotoxic, and sterility agents, this year's flu shot has nothing to offer you but the usual poisons based on previous formulations. Moreover, their effectiveness in preventing the flu is less than a placebo. Although the FDA gave a two year deadline to remove thimerosal from vaccines after they were banned in 1997, they continue to appear in vaccine formulations and ironically the FDA is now only supporting these drugs, not prohibiting them.
In 2009, eight out of ten H1N1 vaccines had thimerosal. For last year's 2011/2012 flu vaccine season, three out of five FDA approved vaccines has thimerosal.
If you have any doubts on the neurotoxic potential of thimerosal, please review the following scientific publications which document the adverse effects of mercury, merthiolate and ethyl mercury.
This year, the 2012/2013 season offers three out of six flu vaccines which contain thimerosal and all are FDA approved of course.
Note that for every single vaccine, the carcinogenic or mutagenic potential has not been evaluated, or for impairment of fertility. . This means that none of the carcinogenic excipients (inside every vaccine) are ever studied and their effects on the human body are unknown. This declaration also indicates that there is no responsible authority that can state to a parent, that their son or daughter will not become infertile as a consequence of receiving the influenza vaccine.
Another remarkable fact is that although all pregnant women are encouraged to receive the flu vaccine by health and medical authorities, the safety and effectiveness for pregnant women or nursing mothers has also not been established. Perhaps this is why studies show many spontaneous abortions and stillbirths after pregnant women are vaccinated.
////// 2012/2013 FDA APPROVED FLU VACCINES //////
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/102312_If-You-Would-Like-To-Depress-Your-Immune-System-Get-This-Year's-Flu-Shot.shtml
Influenza vaccines are Category C drugs, which means that animal reproduction studies have not been conducted and it is not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or if they can affect reproduction capacity. Adult influenza vaccine injury claims are now the leading claim submitted to the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
Many influenza vaccines in the U.S. also contain the mercury preservative, Thimerosal, in amounts above federal safety guidelines. Thimerosal free influenza vaccine is also licensed in the U.S. and it is advisable to request these vaccines in advance from your healthcare provider, if your preference is the Thimerosal free version. Click here to determine which vaccines are Thimerosal free.
http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Influenza/Influenza-Vaccine-Package-Inserts.aspx
The most common reactions, which begin within 12 hours of vaccination and can last several days are: fever, fatigue, painful joints and headache.
The most serious reaction that has been associated with flu vaccine is Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) which occurs most often within two to four weeks of vaccination. GBS is an immune mediated nerve disorder characterized by muscle weakness, unsteady gait, numbness, tingling, pain and sometimes paralysis of one or more limbs or the face. Recovery takes several months and can include residual disability. Less than 5 percent of GBS cases end in death.
Brain and nerve disorders such as encephalopathy, optic neuritis, partial facial paralysis, and brachial plexus neuropathy as well as vasculitis have also been reported following the flu vaccine, although a definite causal relationship has no been established.
Adult influenza vaccine injury claims are now the leading claim submitted to the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Influenza.aspx
Thanks!! Those were good reads. It would be interesting to see the results of human studies and what the half life of Thimerosal is in various organs of the body. I do know the half life is 120 days in the brain but don't know what it is elsewhere. Thanks!!
1stimestar
10-09-2013, 11:45 PM
For some people it is worth it, for some it's not. Only you can make the choice for you and your family.
I agree. Except for smallpox my generation is probably the first generation to have been mass vaccinated. I can easily remember pre-vaccination days when Quarantine signs were hung on doors and no one was allowed in or out of the house. I was quarantined for mumps and again for chicken pox. They put a large white placard on the front door with the words quarantined in large red letters. I can remember looking out the front window and seeing my buddy's house when he was quarantined. That was really common when I was a kid. I don't remember what all the sign said but I probably thought it singled me out as the world's problem. I do remember asking mom if they had to have the sign on the door and her answer was that it was to keep everyone safe. I probably thought I was a one eyed leper or something. LOL.
Having lived through that and gone through all of the vaccinations growing up I'm a firm believer in them and have a difficult time understanding why anyone would not want to have their kids vaccinated. But I also know my beliefs are based on my experiences. I hope no parent ever has to second guess their choices because their child died of some preventable disease or because they died from a reaction to a vaccine.
1stimestar
10-10-2013, 01:08 AM
I had the mumps several times growing up as well as the vaccine. Yes, I had it multiple times in the same glands. I just never developed the immunity to it until I was an adult. Only one of the weird vaccine/immunization/immunity issues in my family.
Winnie
10-10-2013, 04:25 AM
+1 Rick.
We had ours on Monday. We've had them several years now, with no side effects. This year was particularly important after the Thoracic trauma Winnie jnr suffered earlier this year. It's money well spent as far as I'm concerned.
Yep, it's a personal choice. Do your research and make your decision based on that.
I'm curious, Winnie. Do you have to pay to receive them? I'm surprised the NHS doesn't pay for them as a preventative care. I know you have a mix of public and private paid for services though.
karatediver
10-10-2013, 10:19 AM
We all got the flu shots. With kids in school, my wife student teaching, and me in the reserves we cannot afford to spread it around or be down. I used to not get one because in the past I thought it was not working and I was getting sick anyway. But after looking into it further I learned that I was getting something else and not the flu. When I stopped getting it I spent the winter season sicker. Now that I do get it I get less sick during the winter.
Winnie
10-10-2013, 11:14 AM
I'm curious, Winnie. Do you have to pay to receive them? I'm surprised the NHS doesn't pay for them as a preventative care. I know you have a mix of public and private paid for services though.
If you are in one of the 'at risk' groups, such as the elderly, those with chronic illness (heart probs, asthma, diabetes, cancer sufferer etc), then you get it free on the NHS. The rest of us who want the flu jab have to pay. We go to the local Pharmacy and they generally do it on the spot. At 7.99 (about $12) each it's hardly going to break the bank.
Out of interest, how much does it cost over yonder?
It depends on the type of private health care insurance you have, if you have any. My shot didn't cost anything because my insurance covers it. I think they are $25 if you don't have insurance. Someone can correct me if that's not right. If you are older and on Medicare then I know the high dose vaccine is covered under Part B. I don't know what the fee is for the standard dose.
Winnie
10-10-2013, 11:49 AM
That's a big difference in price for the shots. I wonder why?
Who knows? It's probably like everything else. Priced on what the market with pay. There could also be some government ceilings in UK. Just a guess. You can get the darn things just about anywhere over here. I won't be the least bit surprised to see pubs start offering them. Every single pharmacy you drive past has a sign out for them.
Winnie
10-10-2013, 12:16 PM
LOL I did notice that when I was visiting last year. Luckily, billboards that size and in that quantity and size are illegal over here!
1stimestar
10-10-2013, 12:20 PM
Billboards are not allowed in Alaska, except I think in Anchorage they are allowed. Keeps the scenery nice.
karatediver
10-10-2013, 01:39 PM
Flu shots were $5 here and put on by the county health department during a town festival. Free though if you had medicare or medicaid. Sad to say that I saw only one other person with cash that day. Everyone else got theirs for free because they were under one of those programs. We were the first to pay with cash and at first they didn't know what to do. Finally they figured it out and directed us to the right person to pay. They had to find a receipt book so they could give us a receipt.
JPGreco
10-10-2013, 02:42 PM
I don't seem to get sick all that often and when I do it's only for a short time, so I've never gotten it. I have no intentions of changing that really. It's not likely to kill me, so I'm not concerned on that front, and the most serious strains to my understanding are in the vaccine anyway. The common strains seem to pose little risk and inconvenience to me, so I'll pass. Not to mention that any number of medications seem to behave oddly with me, so I avoid most when given the option.
crashdive123
10-10-2013, 02:44 PM
Mine are at no charge because of my health insurance. I've seen places around town advertising as low as $10 or $15 for them.
Skittish Prepper
10-10-2013, 02:47 PM
i got a flu shot many years ago and it was the only time i ever got the flu. it was the sickest i'd ever been in my life; so no flu shot for me, ever.
GreatUsername
10-10-2013, 03:36 PM
This is perhaps not the most factually based argument, but it's certainly fun to watch (caution, some profane language)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBCrs
2dumb2kwit
10-10-2013, 06:46 PM
Here is an interesting article. This smart guy says that the CDC uses bad info, to convince people that they need flu shots.
Johns Hopkins Scientist Slams Flu Vaccine
A Johns Hopkins scientist has issued a blistering report on influenza vaccines in the British Medical Journal (BMJ). Peter Doshi, Ph.D., charges that although the vaccines are being pushed on the public in unprecedented numbers, they are less effective and cause more side effects than alleged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Further, says Doshi, the studies that underlie the CDC's policy of encouraging most people to get a yearly flu shot are often low quality studies that do not substantiate the official claims.
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Headline/influenza-virus-flu-vaccine-Peter-Doshi-Ph-D-/2013/05/16/id/504942
LOL. I love guys like that. "Oh, that study (that I wasn't involved in) is flawed. See this study over here (that I wasn't involved in) says so and it's right".
I wonder where those guys come from?
2dumb2kwit
10-10-2013, 07:26 PM
LOL. I love guys like that. "Oh, that study (that I wasn't involved in) is flawed. See this study over here (that I wasn't involved in) says so and it's right".
I wonder where those guys come from?
Yeah.....those silly guys. Don't they know that the people on the Gov'ts payroll are always right and never lie?
That wasn't what I meant. I'm not disputing what he said I just think it's funny when they point out one study is superior to another and they had no involvement in either so they have no way of knowing what protocols were established, whether it was a blind or double blind study, etc.
2dumb2kwit
10-10-2013, 08:33 PM
That wasn't what I meant. I'm not disputing what he said I just think it's funny when they point out one study is superior to another and they had no involvement in either so they have no way of knowing what protocols were established, whether it was a blind or double blind study, etc.
Ooooohhhhhhhhh.......so a "good" study has to be done by someone who is blind in one or both eyes. Gotcha.
(Snicker, snicker.....If I pick on you, crash doesn't move my post.):innocent:
Hmm......hmmm....yeah.....For a 1st offense of minor harassment in their record, give a warning to the offender. check...Next page.....For major or severe harassment, ban the member for an appropriate amount of time according to the severity of the offense......Hmmm......40 years....that's seems about right.........(closes book).
Your right. Crash won't move it.
1stimestar
10-11-2013, 12:20 AM
Actually the BMJ is a peer reviewed journal so other scientist DO know what type of study it was, the protocols used, etc. Peer review is how scientists really prove themselves and their findings. You could probably find the exact study yourself. As someone who does research for one of my jobs, it's dry reading I can tell you, but the BMJ is one of my first go to places.
Actually, you missed the point on that article. The scientist issued his "blistering report" in the BMJ. The study was not in the BMJ. There are no sources sited for any of the studies. So either the report is in error for not posting the sources, the Drs. are in error for not siting their sources or the Drs are just taking the word of one report over another. They are human after all.
I'm not taking a side here. I'm not saying the Drs. are right or wrong, the studies are right or wrong, flu vaccines are good or bad or that you should or should not take them. That's up to you to decide. All I'm saying is I find it humorous that Drs. or scientists would hold up one study over another when they were not involved in either and don't know the protocols used. Simple as that. Something we do all the time around here.
2dumb2kwit
10-11-2013, 09:01 AM
OK...so for a report to be good, it has to be studied and reviewed by two blind guys, on a pier?:whistling:
2dumb2kwit
10-11-2013, 09:03 AM
....and right now that's a problem.....'cuz the piers are closed, due to the Gov't shutdown. LOL
1stimestar
10-11-2013, 02:50 PM
Actually, you missed the point on that article. The scientist issued his "blistering report" in the BMJ. The study was not in the BMJ. There are no sources sited for any of the studies. So either the report is in error for not posting the sources, the Drs. are in error for not siting their sources or the Drs are just taking the word of one report over another. They are human after all.
I'm not taking a side here. I'm not saying the Drs. are right or wrong, the studies are right or wrong, flu vaccines are good or bad or that you should or should not take them. That's up to you to decide. All I'm saying is I find it humorous that Drs. or scientists would hold up one study over another when they were not involved in either and don't know the protocols used. Simple as that. Something we do all the time around here.
Oh yea, gotcha now. I had missed it. ;)
1stimestar
10-11-2013, 02:51 PM
2dumb you are cracking me up.
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