President To Issue New Executive Orders On Guns

[Ken]

THIS is precisely the reason why the Constitution established a system of checks and balances. Our president simply does not understand that there are Constitutional limits to his authority.

Obama is about to involve us in another war - siding with an enemy that would gladly destroy us - in circumstances that pose absolutely no threat to our nation - one that polls show 91% of the public opposes - without a declaration of war by Congress - in violation of the Constitution.

Obama is about to thwart the legislative process to essentially establish new "gun control" laws - in violation of the Constitution.

A Dictatorship is now emerging in the United States.

“Even as Congress fails to act on common-sense proposals, like expanding criminal background checks and making gun trafficking a federal crime, the President and Vice President remain committed to using all the tools in their power to make progress toward reducing gun violence,” the White House said in a statement on Thursday. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/29/fact-sheet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence)"

http://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-president-to-issue-new-executive-orders-on-guns/

[Sourdough]

Well, surely this will keep criminals from stealing firearms. Crime will no longer exist. Thank God we have finally solved this problem....

[Rick]

Both are within the power of the President. George H, if I remember correctly, authored the first EO on military surplus Norinco SKSs and Clinton did exactly the same thing with Chinese arms. If it's a dictatorship then it's a dictatorship by proxy. A stupid move but certainly not without precedence. And no one is going to touch the trust registration. This isn't a change in direction. Just more of the same.

[hunter63]

Chip, chip, chip, little by little, chip, chip, slowly so most won't notice.....chip, chip............

[Rick]

Either house can overturn an EO. Write your representatives and ask them to do so.

[Winter]

At least I won't have to fear deadly M1 Garand violence and roving bands of gangbangers with Springfield 03/A3's.

[BENESSE]

Either house can overturn an EO. Write your representatives and ask them to do so.

True dat.
Not quite a dictatorship, is it?

[Winter]

True dat.
Not quite a dictatorship, is it?

Not totally. However, Saddam Hussein, the dictator, had democratic elections. In every one he received 100% of the votes.

Being that I don't trust anyone calling themselves a politician; being able to overturn the EO and doing it are two different things. Those who would want to overturn the EO need the EO as political ammunition and the rest are happy with the EO. Nobody will try to overturn it.

[Rick]

I think the guy's a jerk for trying to impose his will on the people but it's been done before and there are a lot of ways around it. The Court can rule it unconstitutional, the Congress can elect not to fund it or they can pass a law modifying it or rendering it invalid or illegal. He signed 23 of them into "law" in January.

[Rick]

Winter - the House overturned one last January.

[Winter]

I'm very pessimistic today Rick. The abuse of EO's goes back quite a bit. They were designed for administrative purposes, not for inventing laws that circumvent our system of government.

[Rick]

Executive Orders have been issued by every President except William Harrison. Not surprisingly Roosevelt issued the most at 3522. What you might find surprising is Obama has issued the least of any President since George W in his second term, Nixon in his short second term and Grover Cleveland. Every other President since Cleveland has issued more than Obama. Lord knows what his second term will muster up but he issued 147 during his first term.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Did you know that Lincoln issued EOs to take over the telegraph lines in the US? He also took ownership of all the railroads by EO. He established a special court (sound familiar) abolished the writ of Habeas Corpus and declared Martial Law? Did you know the Emancipation Proclamation was an Executive Order? A tad more than administrative. Actually, orders that did in point of fact circumvent our system of government. And that's a guy we like.

[BENESSE]

Knowledge is a wonderful thing. Puts things in perspective, lowers your BP and might even make you less depressed than Xanax.

[Rick]

I've said this before but the problems of today are the worst ever only because we are living through them. I wonder how we would have fared during the Little Ice Age, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl Days, the Bird Flu Epidemic, the Civil War or any of the other dozens of calamities that have befallen our country? In my eyes today is a piece of cake compared to what even my parents and grandparents had to endure let alone their parents before them.

[BENESSE]

I've said this before but the problems of today are the worst ever only because we are living through them. I wonder how we would have fared during the Little Ice Age, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl Days, the Bird Flu Epidemic, the Civil War or any of the other dozens of calamities that have befallen our country? In my eyes today is a piece of cake compared to what even my parents and grandparents had to endure let alone their parents before them.

A lot of our family comes from the south--many, many generations. Don't ever get them started on the Civil War. (the war of Northern Aggression) It's still fresh in their minds, believe it or not.
Natural disasters aside, people in every generation throughout our history had serious problems with their govt., even during the founding father days. No one was immune from disappointment, no govt. was perfect. This seems particularly painful because we are living through it.

[Winter]

I like how you folks like to apologize for people.

"It's wrong, but it happened before, so it's not as wrong." Really?

[Rick]

You read it the way you want. I apologized for no one. But I don't see the world as black the way you do. It's actually in full color. It would be one thing if you and others saw it as black and white but that's not possible apparently. It's always gloom and doom and conspiracy. Today is no different than any past day. You lament your existence only because you are the one living it. Do you really think you have it worse than anyone else in history? Do you think this administration or this Congress or this government is worse than any that served in the past? Is so, you haven't studied your history or you have chosen not to remember it.


"It's wrong, but it happened before, so it's not as wrong." Really?


The saddest part I fear is that you and others have no idea what I'm talking about.

[Winter]

I know exactly what you are talking about Rick. It just sounds like you are using history as a reason for me to accept wrongs just because there's a record of wrongs since the beginning of time.

I can see you right now explaining to Thomas Jefferson how it's not that bad, that he could have been a Hebrew building the pyramids or been living on the Russian steppes when Attila rolled through.

I'm not gonna submit to slavery just because my people were once slaves.

[mc45308]

My concern is how it will be implemented. Is it even enforcable. Does Congess have to approve or kill it? Does it nullify existing revokable living trusts? Who the heck does he think we are? Mindless idiots? Registering NFAs to Trusts still require ATF approval. I am so sick of this.

[Phaedrus]

To me it seems like everyone is running around with their hair on fire for little to no reason. Obama almost certainly will not go to war in Syria. He doesn't want it, the public doesn't want it, and even the chickenhawks on the right won't support it (and they rarely seen brown people they don't want to bomb). There's some small chance that the US will bomb them or lob a few cruise missiles at them, but I think the odds of that are relatively low, too.

The EOs that are out there are also fairly benign. Not much to get in a tizzy about. I'll be watching the firearms trust thing closely, though. I wonder- has any trust gun ever been used in a crime? Or more accurately, has any street criminal obtained a firearm in this manner and then used it in a crime? Looks like an excuse to chip away at our rights over something that no one can call a real problem (while keeping a straight face).

[crashdive123]

I said I'd try and do a better job at "policing" the political discussions.

[Rick]

Clearly you don't understand. It has nothing to do with the grievance. It has everything to do with the incessant complaining about how bad everything is. And that's not pointed at you but everyone that's guilty of it.

Crash was correct to lock the thread. Hints, trying to steer posts into a different direction and outright requests have failed to limit political posts. So, you post it and I'll delete it. Try posting something on the outdoors.