The Wussification of America

[Ken]

A short list of things I taught my kids to do, in chronological order:

1. Hold a sippy cup.

2. Hold a spoon.

3. Swim.

4. Throw a baseball.

5. Use a potty.

6. Throw a football.

7. Use a fishing pole.

8. Use a knife.

9. Dial 911

10. Tell Time.

11. Respect a firearm.

12. Cross the street.

13. Ride a bike without training wheels.

14. Use a firearm.

15. Drive a car - a 5-speed.


AND NOW, quoting yet another progressive moron..... "Strobridge’s principal, Charles Hill, said the Castro Valley school held the exchange because he thinks playing with toy guns increases the chance of children using real ones when they grow up."


California School Holds Toy Gun Exchange

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/09/california-school-holds-toy-gun-exchange/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/09/california-school-holds-toy-gun-exchange/)

[GreatUsername]

I agree that toy guns aren't the best idea, but for different reasons. I feel that having toy guns puts a double-standard in place that makes kids less likely to respect a real firearm. A kid that played with toy guns is (in my experience as a coach) way more likely to violate trigger safety than a kid who never had toy guns.

I also think that with very young children who have trouble telling the difference, playing with toy guns increases the likelihood of playing with real guns if they are stumbled across. You may say "yeah, but I always keep my guns safe from the little ones."

Good. But what about their friends' parents? It's tragic that so many kids die or are injured each year because they don't respect the lethality of firearms. I don't think that they should be taught guns are bad, or kept from knowing about them, but I believe that until they are well into late adolescence, children need to think of guns as weapons, and weapons only. That way, they will know to use them with respect, and to not play with them or let their friends play with them either. If guns are toys sometimes, and dangerous other times, it just increases the risk of a tragedy. I'll gladly start my kids (when I have kids, that is) with shooting at a young age, perhaps as young as eight, or even younger if it makes sense. But I will never let them play with toy guns until they are in their late teens and have fully ingrained the idea that real firearms have real consequences and must be handled and used mindfully at all times.

So, I dislike this Kalifornia "guns are scary" business, but I fully support keeping toy guns away from children.

[Ken]

I'll gladly start my kids (when I have kids, that is) with shooting at a young age, perhaps as young as eight, or even younger if it makes sense. But I will never let them play with toy guns until they are in their late teens and have fully ingrained the idea that real firearms have real consequences and must be handled and used mindfully at all times.

Seriously? Late teens? At that age, you should buy them a kindle.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61gbtDONgFL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-49,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=H6faOrc7urHJFM&tbnid=Cqh52HFqLLsvoM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FWussie-Praise-Spineless-Men-ebook%2Fdp%2FB004L62JBW&ei=Wqq1Ub3FB7PB4APblIGwCA&bvm=bv.47534661,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNF0Y84sLx38zB40uD9SIMIMKgv61A&ust=1370946515733833)

[crashdive123]

Now, now.......let's not let it get personal.

[randyt]

kids must have changed radically, I've just never seen a problem with a toy gun, really I haven't.

My generation a lot of kids had a 22 lr rifle or shoygun they kept in their room. I used mine for hunting and plinking before I was a teenager. Times have changed I guess.

[crashdive123]

Nor do I. Had them as a small child. Graduated to cap guns by 4 or 5. Had epic wars with our stick guns and "dirt bombs" while "playing army". By the time I was in my mid to late teens toy guns held no sway over me. Fast cars, girls and parties were of much greater interest.

[BENESSE]

The wussification goes way beyond. It has to do with not taking responsibility for oneself and ones actions.

[ClayPick]

My kids used a 22 from the time they could pull the trigger. Hunting was the game and they never got interested in much else. Most of the time they where to busy trying to drowned themselves. Interesting quote from Maurice Sendak, “Children do live in fantasy and reality; they move back and forth very easily in a way we no longer remember how to do.”

[Winnie]

Good lord, what is the world coming to when a gun amnesty takes place in primary school. Children will play cops and robbers, cowboys and injuns(my personal favourite) or maybe the 21st century equivalents; Ben10, Nerf, Star Wars. If they don't have a plastic gun, any enterprising child will use their imagination to conjur the latest firearm of choice from thin air and a stick. THAT'S WHAT KIDS DO! It strikes me as going back to this whole emasculation of boys thing again. I don't believe in that either.

[Wildthang]

I agree that toy guns aren't the best idea, but for different reasons. I feel that having toy guns puts a double-standard in place that makes kids less likely to respect a real firearm. A kid that played with toy guns is (in my experience as a coach) way more likely to violate trigger safety than a kid who never had toy guns.

I also think that with very young children who have trouble telling the difference, playing with toy guns increases the likelihood of playing with real guns if they are stumbled across. You may say "yeah, but I always keep my guns safe from the little ones."

Good. But what about their friends' parents? It's tragic that so many kids die or are injured each year because they don't respect the lethality of firearms. I don't think that they should be taught guns are bad, or kept from knowing about them, but I believe that until they are well into late adolescence, children need to think of guns as weapons, and weapons only. That way, they will know to use them with respect, and to not play with them or let their friends play with them either. If guns are toys sometimes, and dangerous other times, it just increases the risk of a tragedy. I'll gladly start my kids (when I have kids, that is) with shooting at a young age, perhaps as young as eight, or even younger if it makes sense. But I will never let them play with toy guns until they are in their late teens and have fully ingrained the idea that real firearms have real consequences and must be handled and used mindfully at all times.

So, I dislike this Kalifornia "guns are scary" business, but I fully support keeping toy guns away from children.

In their late teens, most of them are playing XBox games whick allow them to rob banks, kill cops, steal cars, and any number of other fantasy crimes you can imagine. I am just waiting for them to come out with a pervert game for xBox, what's next:angry:

[finallyME]

My 3 year old will take just about any object and pretend it is either a gun or a sword.

[welderguy]

The wussification goes way beyond. It has to do with not taking responsibility for oneself and ones actions.

How so ? Do you mean not being a sheep and worrying about being PC?

[Winnie]

My 3 year old will take just about any object and pretend it is either a gun or a sword.

Wait til he gets good with Lego... Winnie jnr made a pretty good copy of a sniper rifle, tommy gun, and several generic handuns. He was the 'go-to' guy for lego stuff at school. I've no doubt if he did that at school now, he'd be in counselling quicker than you could say open fire! And no he didn't turn into a raging homicidal maniac with a firearms obsession, or a gun dealer.

Folks should try and remember what it's like to be a child, not try and make the poor Bu$$ers small adults before they've grown.

[welderguy]

My son ( he is 7 ) has little interest in "toy" Guns, seeing as how he has a BB gun hanging on his wall, a 22 and a 410 in the gun locker. He dosent play WAR because he wont point even a toy gun at a person. he will play cops and robber because he gets to tackle and handcuff the perp!! He also has a 1911 airsoft that he currently practices with so he can get good with a pistol and get one like Dads

[Rick]

I played with guns the whole time I was growing up. Folks like Bat Masterson, Wyatt Earp, Paladin, Chuck Connors in The Rifleman, Steve McQueen in Wanted Dead or Alive and of course John Wayne in any picture were all my heroes. Books, comics, magazines and TV were filled with guns. I guess I should be concerned about trigger safety then. I'll keep a closer eye on my kids and grandkids because they all played with toy guns.

As FinallyMe said if I didn't have a toy gun then a stick became one. It's not what they play with that's the concern. It's what you teach them.

[hunter63]

Every teen age young man or young lady should know how to shoot, throw a tomahawk and knife....Clean and cook what you shoot.....
Makes for better hunters later.

I close to my BS upper limit.

[ecotime47]

Good for you Ken. The liberal agenda is to make you dependant on the govt for everything, from protection to food. The only way to reverse the way this country is headed is for more dads to lead their families like you have chosen to do. And of course I think we could really benefit from a move of God :)

[crashdive123]

And just a reminder to all.....

The two topics that we do not discuss at WSF are politics and religion.

[Winter]

I agree that toy guns aren't the best idea, but for different reasons. I feel that having toy guns puts a double-standard in place that makes kids less likely to respect a real firearm. A kid that played with toy guns is (in my experience as a coach) way more likely to violate trigger safety than a kid who never had toy guns.

I also think that with very young children who have trouble telling the difference, playing with toy guns increases the likelihood of playing with real guns if they are stumbled across. You may say "yeah, but I always keep my guns safe from the little ones."

Good. But what about their friends' parents? It's tragic that so many kids die or are injured each year because they don't respect the lethality of firearms. I don't think that they should be taught guns are bad, or kept from knowing about them, but I believe that until they are well into late adolescence, children need to think of guns as weapons, and weapons only. That way, they will know to use them with respect, and to not play with them or let their friends play with them either. If guns are toys sometimes, and dangerous other times, it just increases the risk of a tragedy. I'll gladly start my kids (when I have kids, that is) with shooting at a young age, perhaps as young as eight, or even younger if it makes sense. But I will never let them play with toy guns until they are in their late teens and have fully ingrained the idea that real firearms have real consequences and must be handled and used mindfully at all times.

So, I dislike this Kalifornia "guns are scary" business, but I fully support keeping toy guns away from children.

Without toy guns, my childhood would have been empty. I killed so many Nazi's and Jap's in back yards from Upper Darby, to the hills of NC, it would make your head spin. Of course, I knew they weren't real as I knew my toy gun wasn't.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your post Sir.

[GreatUsername]

Without toy guns, my childhood would have been empty. I killed so many Nazi's and Jap's in back yards from Upper Darby, to the hills of NC, it would make your head spin. Of course, I knew they weren't real as I knew my toy gun wasn't.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your post Sir.

And with toy guns, my childhood would been empty. I would have spent all my time in wargames and other pursuits rather than reading or experimenting with tinkering in my garage. I'm not saying toy guns are dangerous for all kids to have, but having coached young shooters for years now, the lack of respect the new ones have for firearms can be astounding, and the biggest offenders in my experience are the ones who played with toy guns and violent videogames at too young an age. For the amount of benefit playing with toy guns gives, I don't think it's worth the risk of kids not respecting real firearms. It's been proven that the Eddie Eagle program from the NRA doesn't work on kids who have been exposed to toy guns and virtual violence. There was a study in WA about whether or not it worked, and they found that a shocking number of the kids (6 and younger), when in a room with a (firing pin removed) firearm would not only touch and handle it in spite of just having recieved safety instruction, they would put their fingers on the triggers, point the muzzle at their faces or bodies, and do things that might have gotten them killed if the gun was operable and loaded.

It's not wussification to make a kid's play less violent, it's like wearing seatbelts. You wouldn't let your kids be blazé about wearing those, so I personally don't want my kids to someday have any chance of treating real guns like toys. It's exactly the "they're boys, they need to have wargames" argument that let the boy who killed my cousin with an accidental discharge forget his healthy aversion to pointing gun-shaped objects at people. He thought it was a cap-gun. He was wrong. My cousin died because of it, and he was 7.

Let them shoot guns. That makes sense. Let them read books. That makes sense. Let them never point a gun, real or imaginary, at another human being unless they truly intend to kill that human being in self-defense. That makes sense. You CAN keep a kid from making toy guns with legos, and keep them from playing violent games or watching violent movies, until such time as they are developmentally ready to tell the difference 100% of the time. Guns aren't kid's toys, in my opinion.

To each their own of course, but just my $0.02

[Winter]

Here's the thing though.

Since toy guns have been frowned upon, starting in the 80, kids have become worse.

While you do have a pretty good argument, reality has not played out your theory well.

Reading was done on rainy days. :gunsmilie:

[welderguy]

And with toy guns, my childhood would been empty. I would have spent all my time in wargames and other pursuits rather than reading or experimenting with tinkering in my garage. I'm not saying toy guns are dangerous for all kids to have, but having coached young shooters for years now, the lack of respect the new ones have for firearms can be astounding, and the biggest offenders in my experience are the ones who played with toy guns and violent videogames at too young an age. For the amount of benefit playing with toy guns gives, I don't think it's worth the risk of kids not respecting real firearms. It's been proven that the Eddie Eagle program from the NRA doesn't work on kids who have been exposed to toy guns and virtual violence. There was a study in WA about whether or not it worked, and they found that a shocking number of the kids (6 and younger), when in a room with a (firing pin removed) firearm would not only touch and handle it in spite of just having recieved safety instruction, they would put their fingers on the triggers, point the muzzle at their faces or bodies, and do things that might have gotten them killed if the gun was operable and loaded.

It's not wussification to make a kid's play less violent, it's like wearing seatbelts. You wouldn't let your kids be blazé about wearing those, so I personally don't want my kids to someday have any chance of treating real guns like toys. It's exactly the "they're boys, they need to have wargames" argument that let the boy who killed my cousin with an accidental discharge forget his healthy aversion to pointing gun-shaped objects at people. He thought it was a cap-gun. He was wrong. My cousin died because of it, and he was 7.

Let them shoot guns. That makes sense. Let them read books. That makes sense. Let them never point a gun, real or imaginary, at another human being unless they truly intend to kill that human being in self-defense. That makes sense. You CAN keep a kid from making toy guns with legos, and keep them from playing violent games or watching violent movies, until such time as they are developmentally ready to tell the difference 100% of the time. Guns aren't kid's toys, in my opinion.

To each their own of course, but just my $0.02

So its just toy guns and video games that promote unsafe gun handling? not TV, or the news, or bad press pictures of police or military doing unsafe things. So lets say a child that never plays with toy guns but spends more time reading is better off, HMMMM what if there reading about making bombs, or cyber hacking, or making drugs? What it boils down to is parental involvement. You wouldnt hand over the keys to a 1 ton truck to a 16 year old with no instructions or safty lessons, why do it with a toy gun.
I am very sorry to hear of your lose. But would you feel the same had he died from an auto accident about cars as you do about toy guns?

[Ken]

And with toy guns, my childhood would been empty. I would have spent all my time in wargames and other pursuits rather than reading or experimenting with tinkering in my garage.

And with toy guns, my childhood was anything but empty. I played endless war games and games of cops and robbers just like ALL of the other kids I knew. I also learned how to plot a course on a chart, to pilot a boat across open water, to plant a garden, to build a tree house and a fort in the woods, to tie several dozen types of knots, to disassemble a bike in its entirety and reassemble it correctly, to use a wide assortment of power tools, to tear down a small engine, to change oil and tune up a car, to build a Heathkit television from scratch, to deliver a speech, to fire a shotgun, to prepare several different meals, to practice first aid, to swim and scuba dive, to wire a circuit, to drive a pick-up truck, to ride a motorcycle, and to write business and thank you letters. And I learned all of this well before I turned 15, most of it between our regular games of cops and robbers.

[Sarge47]

Like most on here I LOVED playing with toy guns! Hubley toys made the best ones! I played Army/Marines, Cowboys and Indians, Cops and Robbers, and even Davy Crockett! When I was 12 my folks moved me to Chicago where I learned how to make a gun from a long stick of wood, rubber-bands, and clothes pins that would fire bottle caps from soda-pop bottles. Since the edges were sharp we often nicked each other...it was great fun. There were some weird kids that made zip-guns using car antennas that would fire a .22 round...hopefully. And one young nut-job took a cast-iron potato gun and beat a bunch of kittens to death with them. He was a real problem child and last I heard he was spending a lot of time in the lovely jails of Chicago. However, never did I want to shoot anybody for real, it was all play-acting. It is my opinion that the kids who would grow up and abusing firearms were never taught the proper values to begin with. All that being said I've got a few toy guns I'll sell if the price is right!....:yes:

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m8ggyXuSZLVb00teEIsZtuw.jpg (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Hubley-Colt-45-Die-Cast-Toy-Cap-Gun-1950s-Era-Holster-and-5-bullets-/221237288844?pt=Vintage_Antique_Toys_US&hash=item3382c51f8c)I owned one of these back when I was a kid. Best toy gun ever made...and for only 5 bucks as well! Hubley was great!

[Sarge47]

Anybody remember the "Fanner 50?"

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Mattel-Fanner-50-Western-Cap-Gun-Toy-Pistol-Swivelshot-Holster-Vintage-Smoking-/00/s/NTc1WDEwMjQ=/z/K7AAAOxyHE5RskoE/$(KGrHqN,!oEFEDLkUdT0BRskoEDyJg~~60_1.JPG


Also, if you click on this link and scroll down to the model M-23 you'll see my favorite toy rifle.

http://user.pa.net/~the.macs/PMTOYa.html ....:yes:

[Ken]

Anybody remember the "Fanner 50?"

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Mattel-Fanner-50-Western-Cap-Gun-Toy-Pistol-Swivelshot-Holster-Vintage-Smoking-/00/s/NTc1WDEwMjQ=/z/K7AAAOxyHE5RskoE/$(KGrHqN,!oEFEDLkUdT0BRskoEDyJg~~60_1.JPG


Also, if you click on this link and scroll down to the model M-23 you'll see my favorite toy rifle.

http://user.pa.net/~the.macs/PMTOYa.html ....:yes:

You still carry that one? :innocent:

[Sarge47]

You still carry that one? :innocent:(deep sigh) No, wish I did though. With what they're worth today I could probably trade one for a 1911 .45 even up!

[crashdive123]

I'd REALLY like to see the data and how the study was conducted where you drew this comment from.
It's been proven that the Eddie Eagle program from the NRA doesn't work on kids who have been exposed to toy guns and virtual violence. There was a study in WA about whether or not it worked, and they found that a shocking number of the kids (6 and younger), when in a room with a (firing pin removed) firearm would not only touch and handle it in spite of just having recieved safety instruction, they would put their fingers on the triggers, point the muzzle at their faces or bodies, and do things that might have gotten them killed if the gun was operable and loaded.

[Ken]

I'd REALLY like to see the data and how the study was conducted where you drew this comment from.


"Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, you aren't entitled to your own set of facts." (GreatUsername's signature)

[randyt]

there is so much I would like to say but I fear the wrath of Crash, must not delve into politics but it's obvious to see the wussification. More clearer now than ever before.

I want to add that if a kid don't know the difference between a toy and a non-toy there is a very serious parenting problem going on.

[Ken]

there is so much I would like to say but I fear the wrath of Crash, must not delve into politics but it's obvious to see the wussification. More clearer now than ever before.

Don't just sit there, dammit! SAY IT!

[welderguy]

there is so much i would like to say but i fear the wrath of crash, must not delve into politics but it's obvious to see the wussification. More clearer now than ever before.

I want to add that if a kid don't know the difference between a toy and a non-toy there is a very serious parenting problem going on.
bingo !!!!!

[finallyME]

Wait til he gets good with Lego... Winnie jnr made a pretty good copy of a sniper rifle, tommy gun, and several generic handuns. He was the 'go-to' guy for lego stuff at school. I've no doubt if he did that at school now, he'd be in counselling quicker than you could say open fire! And no he didn't turn into a raging homicidal maniac with a firearms obsession, or a gun dealer.

Folks should try and remember what it's like to be a child, not try and make the poor Bu$$ers small adults before they've grown.

Yep, he uses legos to make guns as well. Along with his two older brothers. The oldest (10) spends his time making tanks. Guns aren't as powerful.

[GreatUsername]

I'd REALLY like to see the data and how the study was conducted where you drew this comment from.

Granted, it was an anti-gun organization that was purveying it, but the study was conducted by these guys: http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/

And they gave a seminar about the results at UW. You might claim they were baldface lying, but I don't think so. The other statistics they put out, while given without context, are all technically correct.

[welderguy]

Yep, he uses legos to make guns as well. Along with his two older brothers. The oldest (10) spends his time making tanks. Guns aren't as powerful.

He needs one of these ......http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv149/welderguy/6a00d83452989a69e2011168c27b94970c-800wi_zps5526fdfc.jpg

Takes care of them lego and washing machine box tanks too.

[Ken]

Granted, it was an anti-gun organization that was purveying it, but the study was conducted by these guys: http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/

And they gave a seminar about the results at UW. You might claim they were baldface lying, but I don't think so. The other statistics they put out, while given without context, are all technically correct.

First, can you provide a link to the study, including the complete methodology of the study?

Second, can they support the bullsh!t claim on the side of this bus?

http://washingtonceasefire.s3.amazonaws.com/bus1_06_2013.jpg

[randyt]

Don't just sit there, dammit! SAY IT!

That's easy for you to say, you're a lawyer and can talk your way out of anything. Probably prefer a good donnybrooking too LOL.

[Ken]

That's easy for you to say, you're a lawyer and can talk your way out of anything. Probably prefer a good donnybrooking too LOL.

I'll represent you in this thread. For free.

[GreatUsername]

First, can you provide a link to the study, including the complete methodology of the study?

Second, can they support the bullsh!t claim on the side of this bus?

http://washingtonceasefire.s3.amazonaws.com/bus1_06_2013.jpg

The study was presented as a seminar a year ago. I'll see if I can dig up a link, but they never gave me a link before, the information I saw was presented by a speaker.

as far as that claim on the bus: "During the study interval (12 months in Memphis, 18 months in Seattle, and Galveston) 626 shootings occurred in or around a residence. This total included 54 unintentional shootings, 118 attempted or completed suicides, and 438 assaults/homicides. Thirteen shootings were legally justifiable or an act of self-defense, including three that involved law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty. For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."

source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

obviously not the same study that ceasefire used, since the numbers don't line up exactly, but that's 22 "undesirable" shootings for every "justifiable" one. Granted, they lack context: many of those guns in the home were owned or purchased for the premeditated purpose of committing crimes or for suicide. But the ratio presented isn't too outlandish.

[Ken]

That study has a sample size of THREE. The criteria examined is utterly biased. Its statistical validity is near zero.

[welderguy]

Something I find amazing is how people can believe every statistic they see about how bad guns are no matter how bad the report statistics are compared to the actual data. awhile back i posted a bunch of links with data on shootings and gun crime, and none of them match anything close to what these numbers are.

[Seniorman]

Originally Posted by Winter

"Without toy guns, my childhood would have been empty. I killed so many Nazi's and Jap's in back yards from Upper Darby, to the hills of NC, it would make your head spin. Of course, I knew they weren't real as I knew my toy gun wasn't."

GREATUSERNAME - "I wholeheartedly disagree with your post Sir.
And with toy guns, my childhood would been empty. I would have spent all my time in wargames and other pursuits rather than reading or experimenting with tinkering in my garage. I'm not saying toy guns are dangerous for all kids to have, but having coached young shooters for years now, the lack of respect the new ones have for firearms can be astounding, and the biggest offenders in my experience are the ones who played with toy guns and violent videogames at too young an age. For the amount of benefit playing with toy guns gives, I don't think it's worth the risk of kids not respecting real firearms. ..."

As with Winter, I and my friends did not play "Cowboys & Indians: we constantly played WAR with our toy cap pistols ... when we could get caps as they were damned scarce during WW II! Of course, no one wanted to be a Jap or Kraut so we'd flip coins to decide who were the bad guys and who were the Americans. Afterall, an American "soldier" could be wounded but never killed. The Japs and Krauts were always killed. No Prisoners!! :laugh:

Our parents taught us the great difference between "real" and "make believe." In the small rural town in which I grew up, not one kid who later went on to own and shoot real guns -- and almost all of us had them early on -- had an accident, other than one kid who, while hunting, shot off his brother's leg when he tried to cross a barbed wire fence holding his old loaded single barrel shotgun, got caught by the top wire, and in falling, inadvertently pulled the trigger as the barrel crossed his brother's leg. That accident had absolutely nothing to do with the brothers playing earlier with toy guns.


GREATUSERNAME - " ... And with toy guns, my childhood would been empty. I would have spent all my time in wargames and other pursuits rather than reading or experimenting with tinkering in my garage."

Now that seems just a bit condescending to me, inferring that those kids who played with toy guns didn't read anything much or "tinker" in their garages, etc. Hmmmm.

I not only played with toy guns but read a bit here and there, also. Had a great curiosity for the written word. At an early age, I began reading not only Max Brand, Raymond Chandler, and Mickey Spillane, but William Shakespere, Moliere, Mark Twain, Batman, Superman, Captain Marvel, collected works of Theodore Roosevelt, and Hemingway, among others. Kinda eclectic, but I loved to read different stuff. Managed to put some of that to use later as a successful screenwriter in Hollywood.

As for tinkering around, one of my buddies who played with toy guns tinkered around enough that one of his inventions was bought by General Motors, who also paid his way through MIT. He later worked at GM as one of their top engineers.

My brother became a very successful stocks and bonds broker. Another friend and playmate became a well known psychiatrist. Another friend attended West Point M.A. and later retired as a Brigadier General. Two other friends had long careers as USAF jet fighter pilots and another flew USAF bombers and then flew as Captain for American Airlines for years.

All of us played with toy guns. We also hunted, swam and fished and camped and rode bicycles, and explored the forests, swung from rope swings across creeks where hornets had their nests in the banks, played sports, etc. Great childhood, I must say.

Therefore, I find no validity in your statement. Playing with toy guns does not prevent kids from seeking education and careers, nor does it necessarily cause disrespect for firearms. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :yes:

S.M.

[Rick]

Our parents taught us the great difference between "real" and "make believe."

Yep. Staying out after curfew and the belt would be on the bar. That was real. Thinking you could get away with it just once...that was make believe.

[randyt]

I tinkered around a lot as a kid, mostly making muzzleloaders but not limited to that. God forbid but I was making campfires at a real young age too, for some reason I was spared from being a arsonist. What in the **** has this world come too.

[crashdive123]

Granted, it was an anti-gun organization that was purveying it, but the study was conducted by these guys: http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/

And they gave a seminar about the results at UW. You might claim they were baldface lying, but I don't think so. The other statistics they put out, while given without context, are all technically correct.

Yeah - you may want to cross check their "facts".

[George Harkenrider]

I personally can speak to the absolute wussification of America in the young generation, as that is quite unfortunately my generation, and its pretty horrific. I had a BOY SCOUT INSTRUCTOR flip on me because I was "too comfortable" around firearms, and got dragged away by school security because I had videos on youtube of me with guns. The schools and just general people in charge keep trying to do things with their zero tolerance policies, and what it has in fact created is fear amongst my age group of anything dangerous. Some people won't go in my house just based on the fact that they know I keep guns around. oh yeah and I have/had toy guns and haven't shot anyone yet, and have very good muzzle control and such

[Batch]

I grew up playing cowboys and injuns and you truly old dudes played nazis. LOL

My 3 year old grand-daughter shoots archery with my brother Sean and I now. Even though her bow has a way lighter draw than ours, she has to follow all of the same safety rules we follow. She also used her knife to cut her cajun peppers off of the plant she planted herself. I held the pepper while she cut the stem.

She is aware of firearms and their dangers. She sees me take firearms out all the time and she talks to me about them. I would never trust the judgement of a 3 year old around firearms. But, I would rather try and teach her firearm safety than rely on other people securing their arms.

All my kids have done fine with guns and I grew up in a house loaded with guns and no locks on any of them.

[Seniorman]

As for "statistics," I believe it was Mark Twain who once said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Couldn't be better said today.

S.M.

[Winter]

Having a firearm within 2000 yards of your home increases the likelihood you will be shot %100.

It's true, if nobody has a gun within 2000 yards, you won't get shot.

[intothenew]

BB Gun, that was my first kill. A frog, and many thereafter, was the victim. Coffee cans full of legs, those were the days.

We were handed, and soon realized the effectiveness of a bow. Stick 'em on the bank , no need to wade in after the corpse. 410's, 22's, all fell short, and we were privy to such.

We also learned just what pound hammer for the job. Tools makes us human.

[BENESSE]

If a lack of a firearm/toy gun makes you a wuss then you've got bigger issues to contend with.
Good luck with that, too.

[welderguy]

Having a firearm within 2000 yards of your home increases the likelihood you will be shot %100.

It's true, if nobody has a gun within 2000 yards, you won't get shot.


I hope your being sarcastic!!! If not just how did you come up with that?

And walking in the middle of a road increases your chances of being hit by a car 100%
And wading out 2000 yards into a lake not knowing how to swim increases your risk of drowning by 100%
Standing in a fire increases your chances of burning to death by 100%

[welderguy]

If a lack of a firearm/toy gun makes you a wuss then you've got bigger issues to contend with.
Good luck with that, too.

Not at all. it makes the parents the wuss for bowing down and saying OH no people say guns are bad and youll shoot someone some day if you play with them timmy . now go play with your sisters dolls

[GreatUsername]

BB Gun, that was my first kill. A frog, and many thereafter, was the victim. Coffee cans full of legs, those were the days.

We were handed, and soon realized the effectiveness of a bow. Stick 'em on the bank , no need to wade in after the corpse. 410's, 22's, all fell short, and we were privy to such.


We also learned just what pound hammer for the job. Tools makes us human.

But see, that's the part I think some of you guys who are reacting to me are missing: I am totally pro-gun, especially for youth. I just know from my experience as a coach, having taught other people's kids how to shoot, that today's culture of an increasing level of acceptable "fantasy violence" is not making the job of teaching youth to respect firearms any easier. I love it when the little ones as young as 7 start shooting. But I hate it when he leaves his action closed and sweeps people with his barrel because he's not respecting the firearm's potential. It may not be the toys' fault in all cases, but most of these of the little offenders at my club are VERY into video-games featuring gun-violence and almost all of them have toy guns of one sort or another. Perhaps during the time when most of you grew up, and there wasn't as much of a market for gore-glorifying virtual violence, nor was it as acceptable, the toy guns and the play-fighting weren't as formative to developing kids. Now it is. That's just been my experience.

On the other hand, doing what intothenew did, using BB guns, 22s, 410s, bows, all that stuff, it's great for kids, but I think they need a consistent message of "never ever point a gun-shaped object at a person" until such time as they are old enough to have proper judgement, but more importantly so they have an innately ingrained response to holding a gun-shaped object: finger off the trigger, point in safe direction, treat as if loaded. There are many games on the university campus that involve nerf guns. I can tell which students were raised with guns from a young age just by looking, because they handle their nerf guns the way you'd expect them to handle real ones in combat, with all trigger and muzzle awareness. There is no need to, because these are just toys, but they do it anyways. I'd much rather have that than the opposite.

[welderguy]

Greatusername, One Huge problem is parental involvement, Your teaching the kiddos is probable the only firearms lessons some of them get! there is no one there in a lot of cases to say hey it may be a toy but remember what you learned about gun safety!!!!

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