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BraggSurvivor
03-25-2008, 07:44 PM
Time freakin' magazine. Holy crap! :eek:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725094,00.html
rebel
03-25-2008, 07:57 PM
Prophet Bragg. Lets say we're SOL compared to you. What would you do?
BraggSurvivor
03-25-2008, 08:15 PM
Hmmm, good question.

First of all this just isnt a US predicament, it's global.

I'd start calling very close family members to start pooling resources to get better positioned for up coming events. I'd get my money out of the market and out of the banks.

I will post later to this as I have a meeting in the city tonight.........
Rick
03-25-2008, 08:17 PM
I completely agree with the article. I think the assessment and outcome are right on the mark. Foreign nationals and corporations have been buying up American companies and property at a phenomenal rate.

The one piece that is missing, in my opinion, is the loss of brain skills. The one piece that could conceivably change the outcome is continued development that produces an increase in productivity. We've lost that edge to the Middle and Far Eastern countries. Ireland is a great example of brain skills in practice and what it can do for the GDP.

On the other hand, we could let them buy everything then nationalize it.:rolleyes:
rebel
03-25-2008, 08:24 PM
Well, IMO the corporations who hold the farming interests are the ones that should worry us.
Rick
03-25-2008, 08:31 PM
Why do you think that, rebel?
Stony
03-25-2008, 08:51 PM
the time write-up is nothing new.
every few years it comes back, not mentioning that they people who control the monetary system make huge provits of doom and glum as the same as high times.
the working tax payer is always the looser, any way he turns the coin.
one has to remove the root of all misery to make it better.
but most of you are just to compalcend.
rebel
03-25-2008, 08:52 PM
I thought I was being in agreement with the article. I feel some American interests should be off limits to foreign control.
crashdive123
03-25-2008, 08:56 PM
.
but most of you are just to compalcend.

Stony - what do you mean?
beerrunner13
03-25-2008, 09:40 PM
the time write-up is nothing new.
every few years it comes back, not mentioning that they people who control the monetary system make huge provits of doom and glum as the same as high times.
the working tax payer is always the looser, any way he turns the coin.
one has to remove the root of all misery to make it better.
but most of you are just to compalcend.

Care to clarify any of that?
BraggSurvivor
03-25-2008, 11:22 PM
I really dont know what I'd do other than what I stated in the above post and I suely wouldnt want to start all over again. I guess I'd buy a fuel efficient beater car with no payments. Live as frugal as possible. The first thing I would say is eliminate debt as soon as possible.

If you have children you'll need a solid plan for educating them. When you need something always try to get it used. Plan ahead , for example lets say you are going to need a full size bicycle for your son in a couple of years . Start looking around at garage sales or sites like Craig's List , more often than not you'll find a hell of a deal over the next year or two .

Make spending your money a science in itself , you've likely worked hard for it and deserve to get the most for it . Remember this old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted" , don't be the fool .

Last and not least , the developed world especially the G7 countries , are going to go through some sort of depression over the next 20 years . The boomer spending spree is pretty much over in all of these countries , and all of the economies of these countries are going to shrink every year from here out .

Today foreigners are holding on to 6 trillion dollars of U.S. debt. Not only are they holding over 60% of our debt, they are also holding more than a trillion in toxic mortgage paper.

While it's true (North) Americans in general will have to accept a lower standard of living, but so will the debt holding countries. In the long run I think I would rather be the debtor than the lender in a case like this. We shall see who pays, the last time we went through this it was with Japan, they lost their asses and the U.S. economy took off like a shot .

All of the above is coming to an end any way, with 90% of the boomers now in their savings years. We can already see the effects of this just about everywhere you look, housing, furniture, home improvement and even clothing sales. Some demographers are predicting a savings glut from here to 2020 because of the above demographics .

Start doing something now! Begin planning accordingly, not tomorrow TODAY !!!
rebel
03-26-2008, 08:15 AM
Good explanation. I agree with your economic plan to pay off your debts. You have to plan for the worst to make your survival easier.
bulrush
03-26-2008, 10:17 AM
I thought I was being in agreement with the article. I feel some American interests should be off limits to foreign control.

Me too. Why in the world would the US let an Arab company control shipping ports in LA or New York? Sheez. That's just an invitation to terrorists to import massive amounts of explosives.
Rick
03-26-2008, 10:38 AM
Bragg - That was a good post except for our disagreement on the depression issue. Reducing debt to a manageable level should be the first and foremost principle. I didn't say eliminate it. Debt can be a very good thing if it is managed wisely. Having a strong credit history (and credit score) means paying less interest for things like homes and cars.

Let's assume you have $50,000 home mortgage debt at 5% interest. And you work very hard and scrimp and save and amass $50,000 in cash. Pay off the house, right? No! While your home would be free and clear, you will have lost your cash reserve, lost a valuable tax right off on your interest and lost whatever interest you would have earned on that money if you have invested it in SOMETHING even a savings account. Worse still, if your home value drops, then you've lost that amount of value as well. Instead, use the money to make your house payment, accumulate whatever interest you'll make, take the tax right off on the interest payments and you'll still have your cash available.

Bragg - Don't forget the other side of that coin is the amount of U.S. holdings in foreign countries. That plays both ways.

I posted elsewhere of my views on baby boomer spending. It's just starting...not ending.

Stony - Would you please post your sources? We probably are complacent but tell us what have you done to ease world hunger and poverty?
Rick
03-26-2008, 11:54 AM
Sam - It actually is done very often. The problem is it's almost always the developed nations forgiving the debt of third world countries. Not to delve into the world of politics but South Africa is a golden example. The Apartheid government incurred some 11.7 billion in interest payments alone. After the Apartheid government fell, South Africa was forced to assume the debt and, in essence, pay for their own oppression. Ironic huh?

There is an international program called the World Banks Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) initiative that was started in 1996 through the IMF and World Bank and calls for the reduction of external debt for the poorest countries through write-offs. South Africa doesn't qualify, by the way. The program doesn't work all that well. What happens in the end is 3rd world countries will never be able to pay off their debt so domestic and foreign investment is discouraged and thousands flee the country looking for greener pastures. Not only are the countries strapped for cash, they get caught up in a brain drain loosing the most educated that might have been able to solve some of the issue.

Folks turn to illegal means to make money like poaching or growing and/or processing poppies/opium. And since they can't afford medical care communicable disease spreads.

You solution is probably the only viable way for those countries to resolve the issue and get a foot hold on advancement. Just forgive the debt and write it. off.

Sounds a great deal like credit card debt doesn't it?
Rick
03-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Economics is really pretty simple. It's the people that make it difficult.:D
BraggSurvivor
03-26-2008, 12:43 PM
Rick, in Canada, we cant right off interest accumulated on personal mortgage debt. I saved $764932.00 in interest paying my mortgage off in 58 months on a 25 year amortized mortgage. Without that $4436.17 a month payment, the non existant yoke of debt freed my family to do "other" things.

There is a gas pipeline that runs on the north end of my property. The royalties from that line almost pays for my anual property taxes and the easement to crown land pays the rest. The government maintains that road which is a big plus, although I have to maintain the watershed drainage. (hence the frozen culverts)

I agree some debt is good. When I buy a new vehicle, I dont put any money down. After sixty days I pay it in full. It allows me all the financing incentives (thousands) while only paying a few hundred dollars interest. Keeps my scores sky high.

The only credit card I use is for business. I rack it up and pay it off at 27 days.....every month. Air miles and free Harley chrome is what it's all about. Also, cash is king when buying most house hold/farm big ticket items. ;)
trax
03-26-2008, 01:18 PM
Thanks Rick. I don't do economics very well. I have money or I don't. Simple way for a simple person.


It's even simpler for me Sam, I don't.
Rick
03-26-2008, 01:30 PM
That speaks to another good point, Bragg. Know what your respective tax laws are and take advantage of them. You don't have to make a quad zillion a year to come out on top in the tax game. You just need to educate yourself on what you can and can't do.

Love my interest write off, Bragg........:D
Ridge Wolf
03-26-2008, 11:10 PM
So.... solve the national debt and declare government of the USA now to be a 'true' democracy instead of a 'republic' and instantly wipe out the national debt.. right?

Isn't that what happens when a country declares a new form of government?
Rick
03-27-2008, 08:31 AM
I have a couple of theories on how to handle the debt.

1. Like I said elsewhere, let foreign corporations buy everything then nationalize.
2. Let foreign corporations buy everything then have Tony Soprano's crew start selling them insurance.
3. Pass a law that everything should be in English. That should mess 'em up royally.
4. Tax everyone but Americans. There's like 6.5 billion people in the world and only 300 million in the U.S. You do the math.
5. Have David Copperfield or Chris Angel make it disappear.

I'm working on some others. Once I get this into a workable document, I'll sent it to President McCain for his review.
BraggSurvivor
03-27-2008, 11:04 AM
I dont think he could be President.......he cant lift his arm to take the oath. :)

Ron Paul might have to hold it up for him.
trax
03-27-2008, 11:09 AM
All he's gotta do to get elected is promise everyone free french fries, McCain's right?...... (Ok, traxie, back in yer little cubbyhole, leave president stuff to the grownups :o:o)
Rick
03-27-2008, 11:50 AM
Did I say McCain? Oh, my bad. I meant Bush....:rolleyes:
canid
03-27-2008, 12:57 PM
i couldn't agree more with the pooling resources with family and loved ones, but then again i feel that way all the time, regardless of economic climate.
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