Police Can Take DNA According to Supreme Court Ruling.

[Rick]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-upholds-maryland-law-says-police-may-take-dna-samples-from-arrestees/2013/06/03/0b619ade-cc5a-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

[LowKey]

And if you're found innocent do they remove it from the database? Sounds like a lot of law with no rules.

[Eastree]

And if you're found innocent do they remove it from the database? Sounds like a lot of law with no rules.

If I correctly understood the article I read earlier today, all it takes is an accusation (as in an arrest for a "serious" crime). Part of the justification was that if someone commits a violent crime, that person is likely to again, or to already have done so. Most of the analogies revolved around rape, however, and it seemed the article's bias was quite clear on that issue. Basically, it said it's a good thing because some rapists aren't caught. And apparently I need a better news reader on my phone (for less biased sources).

[Ken]

That's an awful ruling with enormous ramifications. DNA analysis goes far, far beyond mere identification. It's a major step toward absolute government control. Mark my words, some of us will live long enough to see mandatory micro-chipping.

Fingerprints were first adopted as a method of identifying criminals - now fingerprints are demanded when cashing checks.

The government will abuse this authority, just as they've done with tasers. Remember the promise, "we'll only use tasers in extreme circumstances as an alternative to lethal force." Just a few years later, and examples abound of taser abuse to bully and force unwarranted compliance by power-drunk authorities.

The same goes for the Patriot Act. Neighborhood quarrelers, high school pranksters that have gone a bit too far, and suspected drug dealers have all become "suspected terrorists."

The NDAA has probably been abused more often than not.

The government has far too much power and authority as it is. It's beyond time that we took much of it away rather that extend that which they already have.

[Ken]

The "Rape Argument" is absolute bullsh!t. I've represented several dozen men accused of rape and most have been acquitted or have had their charges dismissed.

I'm reminded of the 2002 Cape Cod rape/murder of Christa Worthington. (I know many of the players in the Worthington trial, including the trial judge and the prosecutor, now a judge himself.) Police authorities intimidated hundreds of men into "voluntarily" giving DNA samples so that they would be excluded from the infinite number of potential suspects. Failure to voluntarily comply raised suspicions and levels of intimidation. Just as Lowkey suggested, those DNA files of hundreds of innocent men are still in the database and will remain there forever.

Police arrest the wrong people, based upon sloppy unprofessional investigations, more often than you can imagine.

[GreatUsername]

If I correctly understood the article I read earlier today, all it takes is an accusation (as in an arrest for a "serious" crime). Part of the justification was that if someone commits a violent crime, that person is likely to again, or to already have done so. Most of the analogies revolved around rape, however, and it seemed the article's bias was quite clear on that issue. Basically, it said it's a good thing because some rapists aren't caught. And apparently I need a better news reader on my phone (for less biased sources).

Not just some rapists. Most. 20% of American women get raped, generally while they are in college. Less than a quarter of those attacks result in successful convictions. I know this from our victim resource groups on campus, from our women's activist groups, and I have sadly had several close friends who were attacked and never saw their abusers brought to justice. Don't make light of this.

[Ken]

And if you're found innocent do they remove it from the database? Sounds like a lot of law with no rules.


If I correctly understood the article I read earlier today, all it takes is an accusation (as in an arrest for a "serious" crime). Part of the justification was that if someone commits a violent crime, that person is likely to again, or to already have done so. Most of the analogies revolved around rape, however, and it seemed the article's bias was quite clear on that issue. Basically, it said it's a good thing because some rapists aren't caught. And apparently I need a better news reader on my phone (for less biased sources).


Not just some rapists. Most. 20% of American women get raped, generally while they are in college. Less than a quarter of those attacks result in successful convictions. I know this from our victim resource groups on campus, from our women's activist groups, and I have sadly had several close friends who were attacked and never saw their abusers brought to justice. Don't make light of this.

I don't think anyone here made light of rape. My impression is that Eastree is questioning why rape was used as THE example for probably hundreds of "serious crimes" the ruling will be applied to, simply because it's the crime that people feel is most repulsive and condemnable.

Lowkey is correct in questioning whether or not a DNA signature is removed upon exoneration of a suspect. It is generally not removed, because it is still "evidence." Information gathered from DNA can be used and misused for several purposes, and DNA samples should be guarded as closely as a collection of nude photographs if they existed.

GreatUsername, rape is a violent dehumanizing attack and rightfully ranks among the most serious crimes known to the human race. Nonetheless, I question the validity of the statistics that you have "learned" from advocacy groups on campus. Rape is a condemnable act - so is a false accusation of rape.

More than any other crime, juries are emotionally predisposed to return with convictions in rape trials. The fact that so many do not result in convictions speaks volumes about such cases after they have been defended by competent attorneys. I'll match your few years of college "experience" on the matter with my three decades of practice when determining the truthfulness of such allegations. Men are often falsely accused of rape for several reasons, including fantasy, the need for attention, desire for sympathy, revenge, regret, the need to deny personal blame for bad judgment. The presence of DNA evidence is considered to be compelling evidence in some cases (rape of a child incapable of legal consent) but in other cases merely proves the occurrence of an act that may or may not have been consensual. Two equally intoxicated people engaging in a consensual sexual act IS NOT rape merely because one wakes up the next day and regrets what was done.

I could write volumes on this topic. I've probably spent the equivalent of three full-time working years of my life preparing for and trying rape cases. All I'll say is don't believe something simply because you've read it in the press or because a "victim" claims it happened.

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"DNA catcher"? That's got to sting a little.

[Rick]

I've seen a lot of "tacticool" stuff coming out labelled that way. Weird.

I'm pretty torn on the ruling. On one hand we don't think anything of being fingerprinted even if the person is released. Those prints remain on file. We DNA those convicted today and this is really an extension of that. Ken also brings up some good points. However, my main concern is no data is "private" data today. Someone is going to hack a database storing DNA information and that COULD impact someone's insurance rates or even employment if they happen to have a genetic marker for certain diseases. Oh, this gal has a marker for breast cancer. She'll be off weeks if she develops it. Oh, this guy has a marker for Crohn's Disease. He'll probably be off all the time.

There are also ways to print irises and tongues since no two people have the same prints for those either. Still, DNA is in everything.

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