IRS Blows $50M on 220 "Conferences"

[Ken]

The rules that apply to the private sector do not apply to the government. This is bullsh1t.

"....some of the 2,600 attendees received benefits, including baseball tickets and stays in presidential suites that normally cost $1,500 to $3,500 per night. In addition, 15 outside speakers were paid a total of $135,000 in fees, with one paid $17,000 to talk about “leadership through art...”
"Two videos produced by the IRS were shown at the Anaheim conference. In one, agency employees did a parody of “Star Trek” while dressed like the TV show’s characters; the second shows more than a dozen IRS workers dancing on a stage. The two videos cost the agency more than $50,000 to make, aides said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/house-panel-treasury-investigators-find-irs-spent-50m-for-220-conferences-from-2010-to-2012/2013/06/02/2ab6e3ee-cbe7-11e2-8573-3baeea6a2647_story_1.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/house-panel-treasury-investigators-find-irs-spent-50m-for-220-conferences-from-2010-to-2012/2013/06/02/2ab6e3ee-cbe7-11e2-8573-3baeea6a2647_story_1.html)

[Sourdough]

Makes me want to PUKE............and I don't even have to file a tax return, let alone pay. We have a corrupt and immoral government & financial/industrial complex.

[rebel]

Imagine the expenditure of party's for all the government agencies?

[gunaroo]

I have been to conferences where only 1/3 of the attendees that signed in showed up to the talks. Most showed up, registered and then treated it as a paid vacation. Pretty common in my field. Can only assume it worse with government workers.

[Ken]

I have been to conferences where only 1/3 of the attendees that signed in showed up to the talks. Most showed up, registered and then treated it as a paid vacation. Pretty common in my field. Can only assume it worse with government workers.

Many do the same thing when they're in the office.

[Rick]

The rules that apply to the private sector do not apply to the government.

They don't always apply to the private sector either. I had a peer manager in sales that came in around $50 million over budget one year. His next year goal was to only be $25 million (I don't remember the exact numbers) over budget (say what?). He actually came in a little less than $20 million over budget so he flew everyone to Hawaii to celebrate. I figured he was a shoe in as a Senator.

[hunter63]

I guess no one really ever grows up.....if the candy is there, you want some.

They must all take classes, in arrogance and condescending attitudes as well....I can't tell you how many times I have been tempted to just blurt out...
"You work for me you a-wholes", when having to deal with Govment employees in general. (pet peeve)

[Rick]

Yeah but it's not a good idea to blurt that out if you're about to blow a .11 on a breathalyzer.

[randyt]

sometimes it's good to be king.

[Cast-Iron]

As irresponsible as this is, just be glad it wasn't two or three times this amount. I plan on sending out correspondence to my US Representative and US Senators Cornyn and Cruz, asking them to do more to eliminate this kind of wasteful use of taxpayers dollars. Perhaps making management personally liable if they approve the use of public funds where there is no demonstrated benefit to agency operations, and where prudent measures aren't followed to secure the best available rates for lodging and facilities. If you watch the pennies, the dollars take care of themselves!

I worked at mid-level positions with two federal agencies in Alaska. All travel was well documented and all lodging, meals, and incidental expenses were capped for any travel throughout the state. There was none of this $1500-$3500 a night excess. We documented everything with receipts. While the extent of paperwork seemed excessive and burdensome, I felt it did an excellent job of accounting for the use of project funds. Somebody at the Treasury Department should be going to jail for these abuses!

[Ken]

Most of these conferences are a joke. They're often lavish "meet-and-greets" on the taxpayers' dime.

In an age of high-tech video-conferencing and internet communications, the need to spend on travel and lodging, as well as all of the skits and baseball tickets and other stupidity, simply can't be justified most of the time.

I attended one particular 4-day conference for six consecutive years when I held public office. It would have made more sense if the material presented had been reduced to writing and distributed by mail. That was NOT an option.

Of course, any mail distribution option would have eliminated the free daily banquets with spouses in attendance, the vendor hospitality rooms with well stocked top-shelf bars and hors d'oeuvres, the vendor exhibition hall where almost everyone won a door prize drawing or two (I won a gas grill, a typewriter, theater tickets, and some other junk) and the opportunity to watch elected officials stagger out of hospitality rooms drunk by 11:00 in the morning.

[Rick]

Part of the problem is the budget methodology itself. When annual budgets "vaporize" at the end of the year departments are often in a scrabble late in the 4th quarter to spend everything that is left. That kind of nonsense fosters spendthrifts not savers especially if there are no incentives to save (bonuses for example). That's true in both the public and private sectors. There are many ways to avoid that and develop an environment of fiscal responsibility.

Ken - I don't discount what you've said on video conferencing et. al. but team building and networking after hours at those kinds of meeting are invaluable tools in my opinion. The necessity of on site travel vs. alternatives has to be weighed of course.

[Cast-Iron]

Here's a draft of the correspondence I sent to my representatives in Washington. If anyone is so inclined, cut and paste it to your representatives as well. In this scandal ridden climate it might just receive added consideration.

I am contacting your office to express my disgust at the apparent wasteful spending habits recently disclosed at the Internal Revenue Service. It should be criminal for government employees to engage in the types of expenditures as has been recently reported in the national media. Are we really to believe that $3500 a night hotel presidential suites and $50,000 videos are essential to the mission of enforcing the revenue codes of this nation?

The actors here need to be held accountable! If these acts didn't violate existing statutes, we need statues making this type of activity illegal from this day forward. I am counting on your office to insure that all Federal Departments and Agencies are held to the highest of fiduciary standards. Please keep me posted on your efforts in this matter!

[Rick]

Let's hope the new head of the IRS really does clean it up. What? We can hope can't we?

[Ken]

Inspector General: IRS credit cards used for wine, pornography


http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22685632/watchdog-irs-credit-cards-used-for-wine-pornography

[rebel]

I'm really tired of the BS.

[LowKey]

It must be sweet to have a job where if you break the law, all that happens is you get fired.

[Rick]

Let's try to put this one in perspective. It is not uncommon for employees (private and public) to use assigned credit cards for personal purchases. Whether that is appropriate or not is dependent upon the department and it's rules about card usage. If that money is not charged back to the department but actually paid for by the employee then that is one issue. The only question is whether the private use of assigned cards is acceptable.

However, it's never acceptable to expense personal items to your company/department.

The article did not specify which this was. At least I didn't see it if it did. I suspect it was a mix based on how the article was worded.

[Ken]

The only question is whether the private use of assigned cards is acceptable.

In my opinion, unless such use is authorized in the private sector, it's NOT acceptable. In the public sector, it's NEVER acceptable. and neither is any "authorization" to do so.

I see no distinction between a government employee using a government credit card for non-official personal expenses and a bank teller "borrowing" money from the vault, or a little league treasurer "borrowing" funds from the organization. To me, they're simply different methods of embezzlement.

[Rick]

It's actually not borrowing from the company or the government. It's borrowing money from the credit card company. It's generally frowned upon because employees can get themselves in a jam and not be able to pay back the "loan". We used American Express exclusively and I know more than one employee that had to forfeit their card and some pay until their debt was paid off.

I'm not condoning it just pointing out that there is a difference between an employee that buys something personal on their assigned card and pays the credit card bill out of pocket and someone that buys the same thing and tries to expense it off. It looked like there might have been a mix in that article.

[Ken]

My Dad retired as a high ranking state law enforcement officer with 32 years of service. He was issued a state credit card, and he carried it in his wallet next to his personal cards. He never, ever, used the state card for even one penny of personal expenses. He was a guy who also NEVER paid a penny in credit card interest, because every monthly statement he ever received was paid in full within 24 hours.

After he passed away in 1994, a little over a year after he retired, we started going through the filing cabinets he kept in the basement. The first file folder was marked "July, 1960." It contained his daily itinerary worksheets, daily mileage reports, telephone logs and memos, expense reports, and government credit card receipts for the entire month. There was a similar folder for each of the next 395 months, right up until the last day of the last month he worked.

I once asked him, years before he died, why he kept such meticulous notes. His answer was right to the point: "I may need them someday."

[Ken]

It's actually not borrowing from the company or the government. It's borrowing money from the credit card company. It's generally frowned upon because employees can get themselves in a jam and not be able to pay back the "loan". We used American Express exclusively and I know more than one employee that had to forfeit their card and some pay until their debt was paid off.

I'm not condoning it just pointing out that there is a difference between an employee that buys something personal on their assigned card and pays the credit card bill out of pocket and someone that buys the same thing and tries to expense it off. It looked like there might have been a mix in that article.

I make a huge distinction between government entities and the private sector. If a credit card, cell phone, car, or anything else is issued to you in conjunction with your government employment, it should be used for official government purposes only. Period.

[crashdive123]

One of my military duty assignments required a lot of travel. I had a government issued credit card. I know that the fear of Military Courts Martial was put into me and everybody else on my team if we misused our cards. It's appalling that there is nothing more than a slap on the wrist ---- if even that for the abuses that are taking place now.

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