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Ken
04-30-2013, 07:16 AM
None of us want terrorists running around with weapons, but who decides who gets placed on a Terrorist Watch List, and what's the criteria used?


Menino: Ban Those on Terror Lists From Buying Weapons

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_politics/2013/04/menino_ban_those_on_terror_lists_from_buying_weapo ns

BENESSE
04-30-2013, 07:39 AM
None of us want terrorists running around with weapons, but who decides who gets placed on a Terrorist Watch List, and what's the criteria used?

Menino: Ban Those on Terror Lists From Buying Weapons


No one seemed to care about who got put on a Terrorist Watch list until banning them from owning guns was brought up. Now that's a deal breaker all of a sudden? I am at a loss for words.

Ken
04-30-2013, 07:43 AM
No one seemed to care about who got put on a Terrorist Watch list until banning them from owning guns was brought up. Now that's a deal breaker all of a sudden? I am at a loss for words.

Well, it's the tiny details I worry about, such as the Constitution, the Second Amendment, Due Process of Law....

BENESSE
04-30-2013, 07:46 AM
Well, it's the tiny details I worry about, such as the Constitution, the Second Amendment, Due Process of Law....

As applied to citizens, I assume.

Ken
04-30-2013, 07:56 AM
As applied to citizens, I assume.

Only to citizens. I don't believe that any non-citizen should be walking around with a firearm, including even those with a green card. Sorry, that's how I feel. Closely regulated temporary exceptions can be made for foreign citizens for hunting or participating in sporting events in the states.

On the other hand, if illegals want guns bad enough, I'm sure they can get some from Eric Holder.

Rick
04-30-2013, 08:08 AM
I have to disagree with you on this one B. There have been many posts opposed to how folks get on "the list" and a lot of examples posted where mistakes have been made. Anyone remember the guy that flew military to see his wife overseas then was banned from flying home because he was on "the list"? It seems like it doesn't take much to get on the list and once there you are hard pressed to be removed. I think we've all just recognized the futility in kabitzing about it.

Ken
04-30-2013, 08:13 AM
People wonder how terrorists can get guns here in the states. Here's one simple way:



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Rick
04-30-2013, 08:18 AM
Those aren't exempt from screening or customs as long as the integrity of the seal remains intact. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I'd think a large box marked Republic of Iran would by placed very gently in the xray machine while everyone else backed up.

Ken
04-30-2013, 08:21 AM
Those aren't exempt from screening or customs as long as the integrity of the seal remains intact. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I'd think a large box marked Republic of Iran would by placed very gently in the xray machine while everyone else backed up.

"Inviolability of Diplomatic Pouches
In accordance with Article 27.3 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (VCDR), properly designated diplomatic pouches “shall not be opened or detained.” Although inspection of a pouch by X-ray would not physically break the external seal of the shipment, such an action constitutes the modern-day electronic equivalent of “opening” a pouch. As a result, the United States does not search properly designated and handled diplomatic pouches, either physically or electronically (e.g., by X-ray) and considers it a serious breach of the clear obligations of the VCDR for another country to do so."

http://www.state.gov/ofm/customs/c37011.htm

BENESSE
04-30-2013, 08:23 AM
Well, fine. But why can't we require more stringent procedures of determining who gets put on the list instead of giving up and saying, hey, just make sure they can at least get a gun if they can't fly. Why going from one extreme to the other?

Rick
04-30-2013, 08:24 AM
Ah, my bad. I guess with today's electronics you could probably read documents and never open a pouch.

Rick
04-30-2013, 08:27 AM
I can only speak for me but it just smacks of one more way to access gun control, which is what both those goobers want. If they have their way all they have to do is put folks on "the list" and gun control is solved. There is no due process to be placed on "the list". Why would we want our freedoms withheld simply because someone decided we should be on it? More to the point can we allow them to do an end around the Constitution and do so without due process of any kind?

welderguy
04-30-2013, 09:35 AM
Well, fine. But why can't we require more stringent procedures of determining who gets put on the list instead of giving up and saying, hey, just make sure they can at least get a gun if they can't fly. Why going from one extreme to the other?

For the same reason we don't get to choose a plethora of other things the .gov does.

crashdive123
04-30-2013, 10:49 AM
I have to side with Ken and Rick on this one (no surprise there), but certainly hear your frustration B.

Here's the problem as I see it. None of the proposed gun legislation is about public safety - none of it. IMO it is about control. I know my next line will warm the cockles of all of the conspiracy minded folks, so here goes. An unarmed populace is much easier to control and cower into submission than an armed one.

Here's something that can be done right now to increase public safety and all it requires is the willingness to do it. Enforce current law. In 2011 (2012?) there were over 75,000 people that fraudulently filled out paperwork to purchase a firearm and only a couple of dozen prosecutions. Did those trying to secure a firearm illegally stop trying? Probably not. If they are not held accountable for breaking the law, why stop breaking it?

Here's a bit about current law.


Federal law prohibits straw purchases by criminalizing the making of false statements to an FFL about a material fact on ATF Form 4473, or presenting false identification in connection with the firearm purchase.

Two federal statutes 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6) and 18 U.S.C. 924(a)(1)(A) are the primary laws under which straw purchases are prosecuted.
First, 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6) prohibits any person:

[I]n connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition.

Subject to limited exceptions, 18 U.S.C. 924(a)(1)(A) imposes criminal penalties, such as fines and imprisonment, upon any person who:
[K]nowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by [federal firearms law] to be kept in the records of a person licensed under [federal firearms law] or in applying for any license or exemption or relief from disability under the provisions of [federal firearms law].

These false statements or representations are punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison.


If we just enforce the current laws, a whole lot fewer firearms will be in the hands of those that probably should not have them

BENESSE
04-30-2013, 11:29 AM
I have to side with Ken and Rick on this one (no surprise there), but certainly hear your frustration B.

Here's the problem as I see it. None of the proposed gun legislation is about public safety - none of it. IMO it is about control. I know my next line will warm the cockles of all of the conspiracy minded folks, so here goes. An unarmed populace is much easier to control and cower into submission than an armed one.

Here's something that can be done right now to increase public safety and all it requires is the willingness to do it. Enforce current law. In 2011 (2012?) there were over 75,000 people that fraudulently filled out paperwork to purchase a firearm and only a couple of dozen prosecutions. Did those trying to secure a firearm illegally stop trying? Probably not. If they are not held accountable for breaking the law, why stop breaking it?

Here's a bit about current law.




If we just enforce the current laws, a whole lot fewer firearms will be in the hands of those that probably should not have them

Couldn't agree more!!!
But IMO, this No Fly Terrorist list ought to be examined more closely, irrespective of other issues to do with guns.
Since when have we stopped being able to walk and chew gum at the same time?

Ken
04-30-2013, 12:26 PM
I see the Watch List as focusing on two separate elements: United States Citizens and Non-United States Citizens.

United States citizens on the list give rise to a myriad of concerns, including potential illegal infringements on their privacy rights as well as prohibitions - such as "no-fly" status - which raise serious due process issues. Judicial oversight and checks and balances must be established and adhered to, and due process observed throughout the entire process.

In the case of non-citizens, the solution is quite simple: Deport them immediately - none of this several month or several year long appeals process crap. Impose extremely limited discretion on immigration judges. End the "anchor baby" safety net for all non-citizen parents and pass a law providing that children born here are NOT United States citizens unless at least one parent is a citizen at least nine months before that child is born.

A non-citizen of the United States - except for those with green card status - shouldn't be entitled to anything more than a 72-hour hearing to verify that he/she is in fact neither a citizen nor a resident alien. After that, out they go.

Those with green card status should have some expedited due process protection - either proof of conviction of a felony or multiple convictions of misdemeanors - or a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that they have engaged in acts that threaten public safety or national security. If any one of those is proven, out they go in 72 hours. They can certainly appeal such determinations, but those appeals would have to be taken through a United States embassy after they return home.

Alien visitor or resident alien status IS NOT a right. It's a privilege.

Think of it in these terms: If our own children act up, we can decide to tolerate it for a short while, reprimand them, and, if it persists, we can impose punishments and sanctions. If one of their high school friends visits and acts up, or if we simply feel uncomfortable about having them in our home, out they go, never to return.

If, on the other hand, one of our kids' high school friends broke into our home or hid somewhere in a closet until everyone left (assuming we didn't shoot them) they would be prosecuted and/or barred from ever returning.

Our government should approach this issue in the same way.

BENESSE
04-30-2013, 12:32 PM
+1 on all counts, Ken!

Rick
04-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Let me add one more caveat, Ken. The Constitution does NOT apply to aliens. It doesn't apply to me in your country so it doesn't apply to you here. No Miranda warning no nothing.

LowKey
04-30-2013, 10:03 PM
Crash, I can't find the actual stats (if I do I'll post them) but like the no-fly list, there are a large number of false denials on NICS. You can get a NICS denial simply because your name is the same as a felon and the system kicks you back. Or maybe a restraining order that was lifted wasn't posted to the system. A large percentage of kickbacks are because of this. Not supplying your SSN (and I don't) is a way for this to happen more commonly. A miskey on the Pin number if used instead of a fingerprint can also cause a delay. Not sure if the FBI stats consider a delay a denial.

Just the fact that Senator Ted Kennedy was on the No-fly list 5 times might point to its inaccuracy. Or accuracy, depending on how you look at it.

edit:
here is a Brietbart article on false denials and what happens to the cases sent to BATFE.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2011/04/05/Media-Matters-Potentially-Lethal-Distortions-on-Guns
Most of the cases are not referred to trial because they could not be proven the person knowingly lied on the NICS form.

And I found this 2011 report by the FBI itself:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2011-operations-report/operations-report-2011
It shows that of 100 gun buyers, 70% pass, 30% are transferred for delayed determination. Of those 30%, 22% are immediately passed within a couple of days. Of the 8% delayed for further review only 1.14% of the total number of gun buyers for 2011 are denied the firearms transfer. There were 16,454,951 background checks done in 2011. There is no indication how many of those were for gun transfers or explosives purchases (there doesn't seem to be a breakdown and NICS is used for both) so you can't just take 1.14% of that number for denials. There were approximately 17203 appeals of specific gun purchase denials in 2011. Of those, 3236 were overturned on appeal and the sale was allowed to proceed (mostly due to fingerprint check against name or getting records updates). That's an 18.8% False denial rate based on appeals.
There is no report of what happened to those who lost their appeals. Or those denials that weren't appealed.

On the subject of false approvals, in 2011, the NICS referred 3166 erroneous approvals of transfers of a firearm to a prohibited person to the ATF for confiscation. A sale can proceed after a delay of 3 days produces no finding under the Brady law but the investigation may continue and the person may be found to be prohibited even after the gun is sold.

The system is not foolproof. Mistakes will happen in any large government database. This one has some checks to it including an appeals process and a means for a person to obtain a copy of the report the NICS has. The no-fly list? Not so much.

Eastree
04-30-2013, 10:19 PM
I am currently unable to find the list, so count this as just hearsay.

I have some friends who protest locally, and keep an eye on even some DHS related matters. A couple (few?) years ago, there was a list of groups considered to have potential to become terroristic (in the real sense, not the new buzzword sense). It was grotesque. The reason it caught our attention is because protest groups (in general) were on the list as possible terrorist threats. Belonging to forums like this -- or worse, having friends who enjoy practicing bushcraft in person -- could have been considered.

Basically, the list encompassed just about any group of people with potential to not be sheeple.

Geek
04-30-2013, 10:27 PM
Ken, Has it ever occurred to you that there are some people we want to immigrate from other countries? Would you be happier if we kicked out all aliens? It sure seems that way from the manner in which immigration becomes an issue repeatedly. If you want to have a debate about immigration, I'm okay with that but Adam Lanza was not an immigrant and neither were the other mass shooters of late that gave rise to all the efforts to reduce gun rights. Along comes a couple jihadist brothers who use a kitchen utensil and a child's toy to make a bomb and we're into another immigration debate. Is the issue selling pressure cookers to immigrants? I realize you hate my the idea my step-daughter might get a green card after a decade of waiting, but don't you think it is time to give this a rest?

LowKey
04-30-2013, 10:33 PM
All the way back to the 60s protesters were on watch lists.
But I think you are referring to one of the more rampant blogosphere circle-jerks involving one of the recent items up for congressional consideration. The one that supposedly listed anyone who hoards food as a potential terrorist. Maybe if Rick is watching this thread he can remember it. I know he posted the link to the actual text of the bill under consideration at the time.
You have to read the actual text of the bills.
Like all these anti-gunners crying 'For Shame' because the background checks went down inflames. It probably wasn't so much the background checks as all the other junk attached to it that was open to regulation that left things for both sides of the Senate to hate enough to drop it like a hot rock. Bills up for consideration are NEVER one-issue items. It's all the baggage that comes with them that you have to be careful of.

Ken
04-30-2013, 11:52 PM
Ken, Has it ever occurred to you that there are some people we want to immigrate from other countries?

Even in the last days of WWII we were in a race with the Soviet Union to scoop up all of the German Rocket and Nuclear Scientists. We welcome scientists and engineers and medical doctors and biologists and physicists and chemists and experts in several fields from other nations. Yes. I'm well aware of that. (I'm also well aware that they make up only a minute fraction of those who actually enter our country.)

The thing is, you're twisting the issue. I'm not referring to immigrants who have entered the country legally and contribute positive things to society. My problem is with anyone who enters the United States illegally or detracts from society, such as repeat criminal offenders, blood sucking parasites such as Zeituni Onyango, terrorists and welfare leeches such as the Tsarnaev family, drug smugglers, drug dealers, gang members, and anyone who is not a citizen who drains our system financially by receiving any type of government aid or assistance.

Can you tell me exactly what the Tsarnaev family or Zeituni Onyango had to offer this nation that justified their entry or having us support them financially almost immediately after they arrived? Do you remember the Mariel boatlift? Remember the mass emigration of Cubans arrived in the United States in 1980? Are you aware that Castro filled many of those boats with violent criminals and patients who were institutionalized in mental hospitals?

Can you name any nation that would allow an American who entered their country, illegally or otherwise, to benefit from free or subsidized government housing, food stamps, free or reduced tuition, free cell phones, free medical care, or any other of the host of freebies we hand out? Why should we be cutting sorely needed benefits to our senior citizens and veterans in order to support foreigners who have contributed little or nothing to the system?


Would you be happier if we kicked out all aliens?

No. Only those who have entered or remain here illegally, those who drain our system, those who don't respect our laws, or those who don't respect our society.


It sure seems that way from the manner in which immigration becomes an issue repeatedly.

It shouldn't seem that way. However, it seems that way to you because you have a personal motivation and want the rest of us to bend or overlook or change our laws to accomodate your wishes and desires. All I expect is that non-citizens obey our laws and respect our nation and refrain from burdening our resources.


If you want to have a debate about immigration, I'm okay with that but Adam Lanza was not an immigrant and neither were the other mass shooters of late that gave rise to all the efforts to reduce gun rights.

And your point is.... WHAT? My point is that we have enough crazies and parasites of our own here without opening the floodgates to more of them who aren't even citizens.


Along comes a couple jihadist brothers who use a kitchen utensil and a child's toy to make a bomb and we're into another immigration debate.

Not quite. We're into a debate about just who is allowed into the United States and why we don't ship non-citizens back as soon as they show the slightest sign of becoming a problem or a financial burden to our system. No different than any other nation I can think of.


Is the issue selling pressure cookers to immigrants?

That's really an inane question. Are you trying to bait or anger me? You don't wake up anywhere near early enough in the morning to set me off.


I realize you hate my the idea my step-daughter might get a green card after a decade of waiting, but don't you think it is time to give this a rest?

I knew that this debate would eventually become personal..... You have a personal agenda and interest in the immigration debate. I'll make a deal with you. If you refrain from taking this discussion to a personal level and try not to insult me, I'll keep playing nice. If you want to attack my moral character or suggest that I'm some type of bigot or misguided ignorant isolationist, let the games begin.

I don't particularly "hate" anything. I do have an issue with anyone who arrives here with a sense of entitlement to anything - be it financial support of any kind from the government or green card status or anything else of value.

And finally, what are you suggesting? Are you saying that if one member of a family arrives and remains here legally - as either a resident alien or as a naturalized citizen - that we have an obligation to admit the rest of that individual's family? Are you suggesting that we grant resident alien status or citizenship to an individual who has already demonstrated that he/she doesn't respect our laws?

Like I stated earlier, non-citizens arrive here as guests. They are not entitled to anything, especially if they don't obey our laws, regardless of how distasteful you find that to be. Yes, we have many of our own who have no redeeming social value, but they are our problem - foreign citizens of that fiber should not be.

When I was a little kid, my parents taught me to be on my best behavior whenever we were in someone else's home. I expect the same courtesy and respect from anyone else who arrives here as a guest.

Rick
05-01-2013, 11:50 AM
Let's leave the emotion out of it.

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