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kyratshooter
04-22-2013, 05:57 PM
What have we learned from the latest terror attacks.
Not what we think about them,
Not what we think about the people that did them,
Not what we should do to the people that did it,
not what the GOVERNMENT should do,
What have WE learned that will be useful in our own survival in Boston or any other built up urban area?
I know there is a lot of posturing about "They will not win by making me change!".
That is BS!!!
I have not walked into a growd in more than 10 years without cringing over the foolishness of the act.
They have declared war on us! Just because we refuse to admit there is a war does not mean there is no war, no danger, or that if we do not change our behavior patterns we will not DIE!
What should WE, as average people caught in a war, do differently in order to protect ourselves?
I don't plan to do anything different. Whether it is a terrorist plot or some thug that wants your money practicing the basics, vigilance, avoidance, retreat, double tap, are all you can possibly do. As long as the enemy (whoever that is) has the element of surprise you are going to be hard pressed to defeat him on an individual basis unless you get da@#ed lucky. As I've said many times, luck trumps skill.
WolfVanZandt
04-22-2013, 06:43 PM
One thing we need to do different than the way most people do things is simply pay attention.
I'm absolutely amazed at how many people I see sitting (primping, adjusting, readjusting, reading, manicuring) in cars in WalMart parking lots. People are repeatedly robbed and otherwise assaulted there. People act like they're in their living rooms.
People act like cattle. Predators are always on the offense - they pay attention. Prey are always on the defense - they also pay attention. Cattle are waiting for someone to come along and milk them or crack them over the head so they can be slaughtered.
NightShade
04-22-2013, 06:57 PM
I have always thought about a plan to escape from the city... I am slightly refining it due to lessons I learned this past week.... Public transit is no longer a reliable option.
I have always thought about a plan to escape from the city... I am slightly refining it due to lessons I learned this past week.... Public transit is no longer a reliable option.
Have you ever hiked the Blue Hills?
NightShade
04-22-2013, 07:06 PM
I absolutely have, and that is one of my options, along with kayaking The Charles or The Nepponsett. Hiking by "Big Blue" would definitely be easier and more direct.
hunter63
04-22-2013, 07:40 PM
Seems as though cell phones will also be compromised.
I don't do groups well either, particularly in large urban areas, and try to plan travel on secondary routes, with optional plan "B's"...on off hours.
This is nothing new, but seemed like a wise thing to do, many years ago...maybe even more important these days.
I think everyone need to pay more attention, to what is happening around you as you go about your business.
rebel
04-22-2013, 07:49 PM
BS on you pansie arsed.... This is our hill! Our flag is on it. Come and take it!
Do not let this wussie government / society tell you what is right or wrong. You know, by God and our inspired constitution what is right.
randyt
04-22-2013, 07:54 PM
I'll do what I have always done, keep an eye out.
Winter
04-22-2013, 09:00 PM
I won't move south, problem solved, problem staying solved.
BENESSE
04-22-2013, 11:35 PM
What have we learned from the latest terror attacks.
What have WE learned that will be useful in our own survival in Boston or any other built up urban area?
I know there is a lot of posturing about "They will not win by making me change!".
That is BS!!!
I have not walked into a growd in more than 10 years without cringing over the foolishness of the act.
They have declared war on us! Just because we refuse to admit there is a war does not mean there is no war, no danger, or that if we do not change our behavior patterns we will not DIE!
What should WE, as average people caught in a war, do differently in order to protect ourselves?
Amen, KY!!!
I am not a proponent of, if we don't do X (fill in an inane activity...go to a black Friday midnight sale), they win. Fine, let'em win over stupid $ss people who're talking to themselves. Me, I'm gonna hunker down and not push my luck; I'm not going to unsafe areas in the city at 2am, just because I can, and I'm not gonna do anything foolish just to prove to dingbats that NOone's gonna push me around at the expense of my own safety. Maybe that's why I survived in NYC unscathed and without as much as a brush with danger. Maybe luck had something to do with it, but I'd like to believe common sense did too.
Winnie
04-23-2013, 06:13 AM
Well, having lived through an IRA attempt to kill me, I feel somewhat differently to the OP. I've been in that situation, I also had my son who was 3 at the time with me. It scared the carp out of me, and then I got mad, really mad that someone had the gall to attempt to kill my son and me. The bomb that nearly killed me was not at a sporting event, or any such thing, it was in a car, parked outside a Department store. So, I what did I learn from that? well, you can't second guess a nutjob or a zealot, if they want to kill folk, they'll find a way to do and you won't know when or how. I have always been vigilant, but I will in no way alter my life to fit around pondscum like that. I will not be held hostage by cowards who like to hide behind bombs, and I certainly won't live my life in fear.
BENESSE
04-23-2013, 08:15 AM
BS on you pansie arsed.... This is our hill! Our flag is on it. Come and take it!
Do not let this wussie government / society tell you what is right or wrong. You know, by God and our inspired constitution what is right.
But it doesn't tell us what's stupid. For that we gotta use our brains. More people get hurt and die by doing the stupid thing not by doing the right thing. There's a difference.
Uh, Winter, I think they'll come to you.
http://www.adn.com/2011/03/11/1750269/fairbanks-man-plotted-to-kill.html
http://www.newsminer.com/news/dermot_code/we-ve-got-em-outmanned-and-outgunned-cox-said-of/article_74b69ba0-6532-50ba-86e2-d93a0416bd65.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/23/nation/la-na-adv-alaska-terrorists-20100723-1
kyratshooter
04-23-2013, 11:37 AM
OK, we want to survive,
We want to learn new skills
We want to be self sufffcient
We want to acquire the things that make us self sufficient
We want to improvise, adapt and endure,
But only in the wilderness while we are on vacation?
We make fun of people that venture into situations for which they are totally unprepared, uneqquipped, and untrained,
But that only counts in the WILDERNWESS for kids, yuppies and loosers wanting to ROTTW?
Adapting our behaviors, learning new skills and finding new ways to use new equpment or operate without equipment in every area of life is also survival.
Did we always stash a BOB in the closet or is that a new skill?
Were we born with a "get home bag" strapped to our back?
Did the vehicle we drive come with all the gear in it we feel necessary, of did we put it there?
How about all those "preps" that everyone thinks we are fools for storing? Some of us even take some harassment for that axctivity, and do it anyway!
Then we claim no one has the right to make us alter our lifestyle?
We already live an altered lifestyle!
There were a whole bunch of "urban savy" folks that did not notice two backpacks lying unattended, and that has been one of the alert signs FOREVER!
There were a whole bunch of folks that did not break the rules of political correctness and notice two obvioulsy "mid eastern" appearing young males working a crowd at a public event while carrying packs with more than water bottles inside.
If there had been a Ryder truck parked at the finish line they would have climbed on top for a better view!
Perhaps it is my personality type, mild clostrophobia or some other "defect" but I stopped doing crowds long before 9/11. I made the jump from urban to rural life back in the 1980s to avoid being pressed and I don't do cities well.
I do not even travel through cities without stopping without agitation! My last road trip took me through 5 major metropolitin areas and I was a nervouus wreck through every one of them.
I have a major metro area 30 miles away and the last time I entered that area was last fall when Winnie was here and we decided to check out the new REI.
My behavior changed for life the first time I was placed in training for combat back in 1968. I will never forget being dropped for 50 pushups because there was a group of 5 standing in a cluster chatting. We were bunched up and one grenade would have taken us all out. A DI droped us for pushups, and we were standing in front of the barracks, not in the woods and tatical.
We were training for a war with no defined front lines and no defined safe zones. Car bombs, bicycle bombs, IEDs amd booby traps were the norm, as were ambushes and attacks in the darkness.
We are fighting an urban gurillia war. They are training, and we are not. They are changing and adapting, and we are not.
Their every attack is used as an excuse to regulate us nore and more, because we are waiting for someone else to deal with the problem using more cameras, more internet filtering, searches without warrents, FLIR equipped helicopters and "police" that are better tatically equipped than my sons were in Iraq.
Sorry folks, the city just north of me is having their annual marathon Sunday. I will not be there!
That is not modified behavior indicating I have caved in to terrorism.
I have never been there before, so why start volunteering as a sitting duck now?
And word just came out on the news: no backpacks allowed at the marathon this year!
Davidlastink
04-23-2013, 11:45 AM
General rule long b4 any of this was stay away from parades/events in cities. Besides the danger
1) crowded to point of claustrophobia
2) hot or cold or raining or direct sun beaming on you
3) smell, people can down right stink collective stink with hints of food etc is worse
4) better views on big screen at home with AC Bathroom Snacks etc,
5) lack of above mentioned snacks AC/heat Bathroom you want to use not disinfect.
Danger wise.
I went to the PR day parade when I was a teen. Same parade a girl was raped right there at the parade group of men broad daylight it made my stomach turn, could of been my sister. We we're not far at all from where it went down.
My wife and kids moan and groan but such events are no no no for me. I was a huge vilian during 4th of july and the fireworks forbid wife and kids from going year after year.
Sadly my wife sees my logic more clearly now.
Winter
04-23-2013, 12:39 PM
Uh, Winter, I think they'll come to you.
http://www.adn.com/2011/03/11/1750269/fairbanks-man-plotted-to-kill.html
http://www.newsminer.com/news/dermot_code/we-ve-got-em-outmanned-and-outgunned-cox-said-of/article_74b69ba0-6532-50ba-86e2-d93a0416bd65.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/23/nation/la-na-adv-alaska-terrorists-20100723-1
That's all 1000 miles away.
Davidlastink
04-23-2013, 01:11 PM
Let's all move to antartica here there be real good farmland for ice and its too cold for outdoor events so all gatherings are indoor and invite only any suspicious people get left outside to explain to the snowmen why they are acting oddly.
Wildthang
04-23-2013, 01:32 PM
Well I love living in the country, and avoiding crowds and thick traffic. Since I was a kid, I have never liked elbow to elbow crowds, and big city's. When you intwine yourself into crowds of people, you automatically make yourself vulnerable on many levels.
Terrorists know this all too well!
Davidlastink
04-23-2013, 02:38 PM
Cities have been around since early civilization poked its head out of the cave. They have also been the target for most attacks as well. Aside from burning/ pillage of country side surrounding besieged cities woods tend to not be targeted... passed through yes but Germany didn't invade the black forest they passed through heading for cities and towns.
That's all 1000 miles away.
It's closer than you think!!
http://www.adn.com/2013/04/19/2871095/alaska-girl-finds-wandering-spider.html
Winter
04-23-2013, 10:13 PM
Eeeeek!! Spiders!!
Davidlastink
04-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Eeek. Potassium! Wonder what kinda insulation properties bananas have cover up igloo in bananas to make it cozier inside.
birdman6660
04-24-2013, 08:40 AM
excellent point ...I had a close call years ago ( couple kids thought they wanted my car ) and ever since have made sure i park in the open and make hasty entrances and exit .. i have seen people doing exactly as you have descibed and every day someone gets clobbered and the rest STILL continue on in the same fashion .... AMAZING EH !!!
One thing we need to do different than the way most people do things is simply pay attention.
I'm absolutely amazed at how many people I see sitting (primping, adjusting, readjusting, reading, manicuring) in cars in WalMart parking lots. People are repeatedly robbed and otherwise assaulted there. People act like they're in their living rooms.
People act like cattle. Predators are always on the offense - they pay attention. Prey are always on the defense - they also pay attention. Cattle are waiting for someone to come along and milk them or crack them over the head so they can be slaughtered.
cowgirlup
04-24-2013, 09:14 AM
[QUOTE=kyratshooter;
There were a whole bunch of "urban savy" folks that did not notice two backpacks lying unattended, and that has been one of the alert signs FOREVER!
There were a whole bunch of folks that did not break the rules of political correctness and notice two obvioulsy "mid eastern" appearing young males working a crowd at a public event while carrying packs with more than water bottles inside.
![/QUOTE]
I voulunteered to do sports massage for the Dana-Farber group at the marathon in 2007.That's the only time I went into that mess.
No one would notice a backpack unattended. There were all kinds of bags,packs, small rolling luggage cases all over the place because the people waiting at the finish lines have extra clothes and stuff for the runners. That's why you saw such a huge pile of bags left behind after the bombings.
Plus it's a fairly ethincally diverse group. There are a lot of runners from other countries. No one carrying a pack would stand out.
People are complacent and distracted by the event. I keep thinking about Jeff Bauman. He looked right at the guy who put his pack down in the crowd and walked away. Should have been a huge red flag that something wasn't right.
Without knowing the specifics it would be hard to judge him. Perhaps he thought Jr. was trying to save a place to stand or was going to get a drink and come back. Perhaps lots of folks were doing that to make it accessible to those finishing the face. I don't know just suggesting it might not have been an isolated situation.
On the surface one would think it should still raise an eyebrow. At least watch the guy to see where he was going. Then if he just keeps walking sound the alarm.
Davidlastink
04-24-2013, 11:53 AM
Events like that are a mess. You can't control them well without huge outlay of cash. Try to do something similar in NYC who have very good event security, relative, and you will quickly see why even small events require contributions from some supporter or donations of some kind. At one point the cost outweighs the danger. Cost always wins out over safety.
Look at our troops and then look at private defense firms personnel. The disparity in equipment is atrocious. Money makes the world go round those silly scientist speak about gravity but what do they know.
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