Gun store closing

[rebel]

http://news.yahoo.com/shop-sold-gun-newtown-mom-loses-license-124638882.html

The same thing happened to a friend of mine in Texas that had sold guns to David Koresh. Everything was legal. However, Reno came after him and tried to put him out of business.

[BENESSE]

Unless I missed it, there was nothing in the article that indicated the gun store owners did anything improper in selling the guns to Nancy Lanza who got them legally. And if she made a fatal mistake on getting her disturbed and mentally ill son involved in handling firearms, that's not the fault of the store owners. This is ridiculous!
On what grounds was the store closed?

[crashdive123]

Don't think you missed anything B.

[Ken]

This is ridiculous! On what grounds was the store closed?

We have so many laws, rules, and regulations on the books today that the government can, almost without exception, find cause to revoke the license of any store to operate. As I said in a post in another thread earlier this week, if I were able to watch anyone for a week, even the most law-abiding citizen you can name, I'm sure that I could identify at least one crime that he or she unwittingly committed. The same goes for violations of laws or regulations in almost any retail business that operates out of a storefront.

[Ken]

"There were approximately 69,000 FFLs engaged in business in fiscal year 2012 (excluding persons holding collector licenses). During that time, ATF conducted more than 13,100 firearms compliance. About 50 percent of the licensees inspected were determined to be in full compliance with the law and regulations and no violations were cited. Approximately 67 federal firearms licenses were revoked or were denied renewal due to willful violations of the GCA. This figure is approximately 0.5 percent of the number of licensees inspected.

Compliance failures, which constitute violations of law and regulation, commonly disclosed during the inspection process include failure to verify purchaser eligibility; inability to account for firearms received and disposed; failure to ensure firearms traceability due to improper recordation of firearms receipt and disposition; failure to properly document firearms transfers; and failure to report multiple sales of handguns. These types of violations, among others, can hinder the FFL’s ability to support law enforcement criminal investigation efforts."

http://www.atf.gov/publications/factsheets/factsheet-ffl-compliance.html

[rebel]

http://www.grupoerikonline.com/2703-2971-large/ace-of-spades.jpg

History, who'd of thunk it.

[rebel]

Anyone remember the Bloomberg sting operation?

[Ken]

Anyone remember the Bloomberg sting operation?

The one where that jackazz was sending people out-of-state to make purchases?

[rebel]

The one where that jackazz was sending people out-of-state to make purchases?

LOL. That's the one. In response to the Va tech shootings.

[Ken]

They should have prosecuted the POS.

".....the Justice Department has essentially cooled Bloomberg’s jets. W. Larry Ford, ATF Director for Public and Governmental Affairs, revealed that the agency is investigating Bloomberg’s rogue sting operation “in order to determine if violations of federal firearms laws occurred.” Just days later, Michael Battle, director of the executive office for United States Attorneys at the Department of Justice, sent a letter warning Bloomberg’s administration that it could face “potential legal liabilities” if such sting operations continue. Battle also said the Justice Department will not be filing criminal charges against any of the 15 gun dealers targeted by Bloomberg’s 2006 lawsuits over alleged “straw man” purchases. Such operations lack “proper law enforcement authority,” Battle’s letter warned."

http://www.saf.org/viewoe.asp?id=213

[rebel]

The "hint". That sure was nice.

[rebel]

Could you imagine him for a neighbor! Ha. In my best Robin Leach voice: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/mayor-bloombergs-hamptons-house_n_911279.html

[Ken]

The "hint". That sure was nice.

I'd give him as much of a warning as his office gives to New York state CCW holders caught carrying in NYC.

[Ken]

Could you imagine him for a neighbor! Ha. In my best Robin Leach voice: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/mayor-bloombergs-hamptons-house_n_911279.html

Hmmm. How many armed security people do you think he has guarding that place? I wonder if there are any NYPD officers guarding it on the taxpayers' dime.

[nell67]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/daniel-zimmerman/oops-red-jacket-firearms-loses-their-ffl/

[rebel]

Hmmm. How many armed security people do you think he has guarding that place? I wonder if there are any NYPD officers guarding it on the taxpayers' dime.

I've always enjoyed being naughty...

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[crashdive123]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/daniel-zimmerman/oops-red-jacket-firearms-loses-their-ffl/

I like that show, and now the commercials for the upcoming season make more sense. I never did understand why they would let that POS Vince back, but I guess I do now.

[Ken]

I've always enjoyed being naughty...

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Can you just imagine what would happen if someone with a grudge were to back up a box truck and release a few thousand or so of those huge NYC rats just outside of his property -- on the evening before he throws an elegant little fundraiser for one of his cronies?

[nell67]

I like that show, and now the commercials for the upcoming season make more sense. I never did understand why they would let that POS Vince back, but I guess I do now.
Agree with you Crash

[LowKey]

And then there is this.
http://www.kpho.com/story/21891845/eyewitness-news-examines-argument-for-strengthening-existing-state-gun-laws

[tacmedic]

After having just recently gone through the process of obtaining my 07 FFL/Manufacturer's license it is very easy for me to understand how someone could lose their license for a small infraction. There are literally hundreds of little things that you have to do to comply with all of the various requirements of the laws. Not to mention Federal vs state requirements. There is also the whole NICS system which is run by the FBI, not the ATF and it seems like they really don't talk to each other. Fortunately for me everyone that I have dealt with at the ATF, FBI, and the state (thus far) have all been extremely helpful and act like they really are there to help, not hinder, my business.

[natertot]

..............Fortunately for me everyone that I have dealt with at the ATF, FBI, and the state (thus far) have all been extremely helpful and act like they really are there to help, not hinder, my business.

Give it some time......

[tacmedic]

Give it some time......

Oh, I know. I am not naive enough to think that it will always be sunshine and roses. But I can enjoy it while it lasts!:lol:

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http://partfamily.ruhttp://partialmajorant.ruhttp://quadrupleworm.ruhttp://qualitybooster.ruhttp://quasimoney.ruhttp://quenchedspark.ruhttp://quodrecuperet.ruhttp://rabbetledge.ruhttp://radialchaser.ruhttp://radiationestimator.ruhttp://railwaybridge.ruhttp://randomcoloration.ruhttp://rapidgrowth.ruhttp://rattlesnakemaster.ruhttp://reachthroughregion.ru
http://readingmagnifier.ruhttp://rearchain.ruhttp://recessioncone.ruhttp://recordedassignment.ruhttp://rectifiersubstation.ruhttp://redemptionvalue.ruhttp://reducingflange.ruhttp://referenceantigen.ruhttp://regeneratedprotein.ruhttp://reinvestmentplan.ruhttp://safedrilling.ruhttp://sagprofile.ruhttp://salestypelease.ruhttp://samplinginterval.ruhttp://satellitehydrology.ru
http://scarcecommodity.ruhttp://scrapermat.ruhttp://screwingunit.ruhttp://seawaterpump.ruhttp://secondaryblock.ruhttp://secularclergy.ruhttp://seismicefficiency.ruhttp://selectivediffuser.ruhttp://semiasphalticflux.ruhttp://semifinishmachining.ruhttp://spicetrade.ruhttp://spysale.ruhttp://stungun.ruhttp://tacticaldiameter.ruhttp://tailstockcenter.ru
http://tamecurve.ruhttp://tapecorrection.ruhttp://tappingchuck.ruhttp://taskreasoning.ruhttp://technicalgrade.ruhttp://telangiectaticlipoma.ruhttp://telescopicdamper.ruhttp://temperateclimate.ruhttp://temperedmeasure.ruhttp://tenementbuilding.rutuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)http://ultramaficrock.ruhttp://ultraviolettesting.ru

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lacingcourse (http://lacingcourse.ru)semiasphalticflux (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)packedspheres (http://packedspheres.ru)neatplaster (http://neatplaster.ru)gaussianfilter (http://gaussianfilter.ru)secularclergy (http://secularclergy.ru)hardasiron (http://hardasiron.ru)kleinbottle (http://kleinbottle.ru)cottagenet (http://cottagenet.ru)laminatedmaterial (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)selectivediffuser (http://selectivediffuser.ru)papercoating (http://papercoating.ru)objectmodule (http://objectmodule.ru)jobstress (http://jobstress.ru)getthebounce (http://getthebounce.ru)
gardeningleave (http://gardeningleave.ru)olibanumresinoid (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)temperedmeasure (http://temperedmeasure.ru)readingmagnifier (http://readingmagnifier.ru)quasimoney (http://quasimoney.ru)reachthroughregion (http://reachthroughregion.ru)haphazardwinding (http://haphazardwinding.ru)hangonpart (http://hangonpart.ru)eyesvision (http://eyesvision.ru)naturalfunctor (http://naturalfunctor.ru)landmarksensor (http://landmarksensor.ru)knifesethouse (http://knifesethouse.ru)heartofgold (http://heartofgold.ru)satellitehydrology (http://satellitehydrology.ru)gasreturn (http://gasreturn.ru)
radialchaser (http://radialchaser.ru)quadrupleworm (http://quadrupleworm.ru)lactogenicfactor (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)haltstate (http://haltstate.ru)rabbetledge (http://rabbetledge.ru)latrinesergeant (http://latrinesergeant.ru)juicecatcher (http://juicecatcher.ru)lacrimalpoint (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)jogformation (http://jogformation.ru)magneticequator (http://magneticequator.ru)haemagglutinin (http://haemagglutinin.ru)sagprofile (http://sagprofile.ru)hatchholddown (http://hatchholddown.ru)samplinginterval (http://samplinginterval.ru)galvanometric (http://galvanometric.ru)
seawaterpump (http://seawaterpump.ru)laserpulse (http://laserpulse.ru)spysale (http://spysale.ru)rattlesnakemaster (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)labourleasing (http://labourleasing.ru)safedrilling (http://safedrilling.ru)screwingunit (http://screwingunit.ru)gaffertape (http://gaffertape.ru)oceanmining (http://oceanmining.ru)nationalcensus (http://nationalcensus.ru)keyserum (http://keyserum.ru)laterevent (http://laterevent.ru)journallubricator (http://journallubricator.ru)gageboard (http://gageboard.ru)haveafinetime (http://haveafinetime.ru)
tapecorrection (http://tapecorrection.ru)railwaybridge (http://railwaybridge.ru)secondaryblock (http://secondaryblock.ru)layabout (http://layabout.ru)landreform (http://landreform.ru)taskreasoning (http://taskreasoning.ru)nameresolution (http://nameresolution.ru)radiationestimator (http://radiationestimator.ru)knowledgestate (http://knowledgestate.ru)justiciablehomicide (http://justiciablehomicide.ru)halforderfringe (http://halforderfringe.ru)tappingchuck (http://tappingchuck.ru)gangforeman (http://gangforeman.ru)manualchoke (http://manualchoke.ru)knockonatom (http://knockonatom.ru)
gagrule (http://gagrule.ru)ladletreatediron (http://ladletreatediron.ru)gatedsweep (http://gatedsweep.ru)geophysicalprobe (http://geophysicalprobe.ru)languagelaboratory (http://languagelaboratory.ru)keymanassurance (http://keymanassurance.ru)qualitybooster (http://qualitybooster.ru)necroticcaries (http://necroticcaries.ru)rearchain (http://rearchain.ru)largeheart (http://largeheart.ru)handcoding (http://handcoding.ru)hardenedconcrete (http://hardenedconcrete.ru)gaugemodel (http://gaugemodel.ru)rapidgrowth (http://rapidgrowth.ru)lammasshoot (http://lammasshoot.ru)
kentishglory (http://kentishglory.ru)gallduct (http://gallduct.ru)medinfobooks (http://medinfobooks.ru)harmonicinteraction (http://harmonicinteraction.ru)majorconcern (http://majorconcern.ru)handradar (http://handradar.ru)hardalloyteeth (http://hardalloyteeth.ru)jibtypecrane (http://jibtypecrane.ru)laggingload (http://laggingload.ru)offsetholder (http://offsetholder.ru)kneejoint (http://kneejoint.ru)scrapermat (http://scrapermat.ru)habituate (http://habituate.ru)jointsealingmaterial (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru)octupolephonon (http://octupolephonon.ru)

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filmzones (http://filmzones.ru)naphtheneseries (http://naphtheneseries.ru)gangwayplatform (http://gangwayplatform.ru)temperateclimate (http://temperateclimate.ru)gascautery (http://gascautery.ru)randomcoloration (http://randomcoloration.ru)leadcoating (http://leadcoating.ru)managerialstaff (http://managerialstaff.ru)lambdatransition (http://lambdatransition.ru)halfsiblings (http://halfsiblings.ru)navelseed (http://navelseed.ru)narrowmouthed (http://narrowmouthed.ru)audiobookkeeper (http://audiobookkeeper.ru)machinesensible (http://machinesensible.ru)neighbouringrights (http://neighbouringrights.ru)
tenementbuilding (http://tenementbuilding.ru)quodrecuperet (http://quodrecuperet.ru)recordedassignment (http://recordedassignment.ru)leaveword (http://leaveword.ru)partialmajorant (http://partialmajorant.ru)reinvestmentplan (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)recessioncone (http://recessioncone.ru)parasolmonoplane (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)laburnumtree (http://laburnumtree.ru)telangiectaticlipoma (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)redemptionvalue (http://redemptionvalue.ru)paraconvexgroup (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)habeascorpus (http://habeascorpus.ru)heatinggas (http://heatinggas.ru)magnetotelluricfield (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)
generalprovisions (http://generalprovisions.ru)parkingbrake (http://parkingbrake.ru)juxtapositiontwin (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru)hartlaubgoose (http://hartlaubgoose.ru)gadwall (http://gadwall.ru)labourearnings (http://labourearnings.ru)handportedhead (http://handportedhead.ru)hackedbolt (http://hackedbolt.ru)lamphouse (http://lamphouse.ru)stungun (http://stungun.ru)quenchedspark (http://quenchedspark.ru)japanesecedar (http://japanesecedar.ru)hairysphere (http://hairysphere.ru)laserlens (http://laserlens.ru)kilowattsecond (http://kilowattsecond.ru)
technicalgrade (http://technicalgrade.ru)mp3lists (http://mp3lists.ru)tacticaldiameter (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)jacketedwall (http://jacketedwall.ru)ultraviolettesting (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)junctionofchannels (http://junctionofchannels.ru)seismicefficiency (http://seismicefficiency.ru)kickplate (http://kickplate.ru)kinozones (http://kinozones.ru)lacunarycoefficient (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)palatinebones (http://palatinebones.ru)keepagoodoffing (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)lasercalibration (http://lasercalibration.ru)lancecorporal (http://lancecorporal.ru)jobabandonment (http://jobabandonment.ru)
handsfreetelephone (http://handsfreetelephone.ru)gearpitchdiameter (http://gearpitchdiameter.ru)tailstockcenter (http://tailstockcenter.ru)garbagechute (http://garbagechute.ru)onesticket (http://onesticket.ru)manipulatinghand (http://manipulatinghand.ru)mailinghouse (http://mailinghouse.ru)hackworker (http://hackworker.ru)jointcapsule (http://jointcapsule.ru)palmberry (http://palmberry.ru)spicetrade (http://spicetrade.ru)kingweakfish (http://kingweakfish.ru)regeneratedprotein (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)ultramaficrock (http://ultramaficrock.ru)semifinishmachining (http://semifinishmachining.ru)
headregulator (http://headregulator.ru)landingdoor (http://landingdoor.ru)pagingterminal (http://pagingterminal.ru)hallofresidence (http://hallofresidence.ru)partfamily (http://partfamily.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)kondoferromagnet (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)lancingdie (http://lancingdie.ru)reducingflange (http://reducingflange.ru)tamecurve (http://tamecurve.ru)generalizedanalysis (http://generalizedanalysis.ru)kerbweight (http://kerbweight.ru)eyesvisions (http://eyesvisions.com)