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Ken
04-02-2013, 06:27 PM
My copy of the Second Amendment seems to be missing the words printed in red. Can Someone Help Me Find An Accurate Copy?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people, except for convicted felons, people convicted of the crime of domestic abuse or some misdemeanors or otherwise subject to an active domestic abuse restraining order, and people identified as being possibly mentally unstable by the government, to keep and bear arms and ammunition and accessories approved by the government in a configuration approved by the government, shall not be infringed unless they travel outside of their home state or are otherwise in areas designated as gun free zones by the government or any state or political subdivision thereof.

rebel
04-02-2013, 06:40 PM
I knew an attorney who was passionate about a certain area of the law. Why? Because, he had a vested interest in getting it changed.

Anything you want to tell us?

BENESSE
04-02-2013, 07:01 PM
Sometimes, you've got to connect the dots. Those who don't, (judges) end up prematurely releasing rapists, child molesters and murderers out to re offend again. Then everyone wrings their hands and wonders how it could have happened.

welderguy
04-02-2013, 07:11 PM
Sometimes, you've got to connect the dots. Those who don't, (judges) end up prematurely releasing rapists, child molesters and murderers out to re offend again. Then everyone wrings their hands and wonders how it could have happened.

And on there way out they hand them a gun and plenty of ammo!

Ken
04-02-2013, 07:17 PM
I knew an attorney who was passionate about a certain area of the law. Why? Because, he had a vested interest in getting it changed.

Anything you want to tell us?


Yes.

I see our nation going to Hell in a Handbasket. I see an administration - one which has deceived and lied to the American public time after time after time - dedicating its efforts to disarming the people.

I see legislation passed by deception and by legislators, state and federal, who largely admit that they haven't even read bills that they have voted in favor of.

I see an administration ordering its law enforcement agencies to NOT enforce immigration laws. I see that same administration in the process of granting those illegal immigrants amnesty and a free ride to citizenship while robbing from citizen taxpayers to provide those very same illegal immigrants with benefits that citizens and veterans of our armed forces are being denied, all in an effort to curry favor and votes for one political party.

I see a government endeavoring to saddle the people with enough debt to destroy our economy for generations to come.

I see a government charging toward the very type of political system that our founding fathers warned us about.

I see a government bought and paid for by large corporations such as Monsanto.

I see an administration willing to surrrender much of our national sovereignty to the United Nations.

I see an economy about to crash because of a new and unsustainable health care insurance law, coupled with a raided social security pension fund, and rising taxes on every good and service imaginable.

I see state and national debt and unfunded liabilities in excess of $120 TRILLION, which amounts to over $800,000 in debt for every American now employed.

I see elected officials across the nation protected by many laws which do not apply to the puiblic and exempted from other laws that do apply to the public.

I come from a state that has elected an entire Congressional delegation that would readily vote to repeal the Second Amendment and many other of our rights, and a state that has a state legislature that would ratify such repeals of our Constitutional rights by an overwhelming majority.

I see an administration actively supportive of the banking antics now taking place in Cyprus, and I wouldn't put it past our administration to try the same thing here at home.

I see a Department of Homeland Security violating every one of our rights to privacy and freedoms it can get away with, while at the same time buying enough drones and armored vehicles and weapons and ammunition to suggest that they are preparing for a war with the American public.

I see a dismal national future for my kids and my grandkids. We have already gone over the cliff - we just haven't slammed into the ground yet.

Finally, I see a government chipping away, piece by piece, at our rights, attacking the weakest flanks and citizens, demanding appeasement, demanding compromise, but never giving anything back in return.

Every cell in my body is screaming in protest to a progressive agenda that is hell bent on destroying my country.

THAT IS WHY I WILL YELL AND SCREAM AND PROTEST AND FIGHT AGAINST ANY LAW AND EVERY ATTEMPT TO PASS A LAW THAT DEPRIVES ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN, EVEN CITIZENS WHOSE CONDUCT I MAY FIND OFFENSIVE, ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE HELD SACRED FOR OVER 200 YEARS.

Thanks for the opportunity to rant, Rebel. :)

rebel
04-02-2013, 07:21 PM
I agree totally. Thanks Ken for being able to put it into words.

rebel
04-02-2013, 07:23 PM
Yes.

I see our nation going to Hell in a Handbasket. I see an administration - one which has deceived and lied to the American public time after time after time - dedicating its efforts to disarming the people.

I see legislation passed by deception and by legislators, state and federal, who largely admit that they haven't even read bills that they have voted in favor of.

I see an administration ordering its law enforcement agencies to NOT enforce immigration laws. I see that same administration in the process of granting those illegal immigrants amnesty and a free ride to citizenship while robbing from citizen taxpayers to provide those very same illegal immigrants with benefits that citizens and veterans of our armed forces are being denied, all in an effort to curry favor and votes for one political party.

I see a government endeavoring to saddle the people with enough debt to destroy our economy for generations to come.

I see a government charging toward the very type of political system that our founding fathers warned us about.

I see a government bought and paid for by large corporations such as Monsanto.

I see an administration willing to surrrender much of our national sovereignty to the United Nations.

I see an economy about to crash because of a new and unsustainable health care insurance law, coupled with a raided social security pension fund, and rising taxes on every good and service imaginable.

I see state and national debt and unfunded liabilities in excess of $120 TRILLION, which amounts to over $800,000 in debt for every American now employed.

I see elected officials across the nation protected by many laws which do not apply to the puiblic and exempted from other laws that do apply to the public.

I come from a state that has elected an entire Congressional delegation that would readily vote to repeal the Second Amendment and many other of our rights, and a state that has a state legislature that would ratify such repeals of our Constitutional rights by an overwhelming majority.

I see an administration actively supportive of the banking antics now taking place in Cyprus, and I wouldn't put it past our administration to try the same thing here at home.

I see a Department of Homeland Security violating every one of our rights to privacy and freedoms it can get away with, while at the same time buying enough drones and armored vehicles and weapons and ammunition to suggest that they are preparing for a war with the American public.

I see a dismal national future for my kids and my grandkids. We have already gone over the cliff - we just haven't slammed into the ground yet.

Finally, I see a government chipping away, piece by piece, at our rights, attacking the weakest flanks and citizens, demanding appeasement, demanding compromise, but never giving anything back in return.

Every cell in my body is screaming in protest to a progressive agenda that is hell bent on destroying my country.

THAT IS WHY I WILL YELL AND SCREAM AND PROTEST AND FIGHT AGAINST ANY LAW AND EVERY ATTEMPT TO PASS A LAW THAT DEPRIVES ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN, EVEN CITIZENS WHOSE CONDUCT I MAY FIND OFFENSIVE, ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE HELD SACRED FOR OVER 200 YEARS.

Thanks for the opportunity to rant, Rebel. :)

Copy for preservation

natertot
04-02-2013, 07:28 PM
Yes.

I see our nation going to Hell in a Handbasket. I see an administration - one which has deceived and lied to the American public time after time after time - dedicating its efforts to disarming the people.
Yep
I see legislation passed by deception and by legislators, state and federal, who largely admit that they haven't even read bills that they have voted in favor of. Yep

I see an administration ordering its law enforcement agencies to NOT enforce immigration laws. I see that same administration in the process of granting those illegal immigrants amnesty and a free ride to citizenship while robbing from citizen taxpayers to provide those very same illegal immigrants with benefits that citizens and veterans of our armed forces are being denied, all in an effort to curry favor and votes for one political party. yep

I see a government endeavoring to saddle the people with enough debt to destroy our economy for generations to come. yep

I see a government charging toward the very type of political system that our founding fathers warned us about.

I see a government bought and paid for by large corporations such as Monsanto.

I see an administration willing to surrrender much of our national sovereignty to the United Nations. yep, yep and yep.

I see an economy about to crash because of a new and unsustainable health care insurance law, coupled with a raided social security pension fund, and rising taxes on every good and service imaginable.

I see state and national debt and unfunded liabilities in excess of $120 TRILLION, which amounts to over $800,000 in debt for every American now employed.

I see elected officials across the nation protected by many laws which do not apply to the puiblic and exempted from other laws that do apply to the public.

I come from a state that has elected an entire Congressional delegation that would readily vote to repeal the Second Amendment and many other of our rights, and a state that has a state legislature that would ratify such repeals of our Constitutional rights by an overwhelming majority.

I see an administration actively supportive of the banking antics now taking place in Cyprus, and I wouldn't put it past our administration to try the same thing here at home.

I see a Department of Homeland Security violating every one of our rights to privacy and freedoms it can get away with, while at the same time buying enough drones and armored vehicles and weapons and ammunition to suggest that they are preparing for a war with the American public.

I see a dismal national future for my kids and my grandkids. We have already gone over the cliff - we just haven't slammed into the ground yet.

Finally, I see a government chipping away, piece by piece, at our rights, attacking the weakest flanks and citizens, demanding appeasement, demanding compromise, but never giving anything back in return. Yeeeeepppppp to it all!

Every cell in my body is screaming in protest to a progressive agenda that is hell bent on destroying my country.

THAT IS WHY I WILL YELL AND SCREAM AND PROTEST AND FIGHT AGAINST ANY LAW AND EVERY ATTEMPT TO PASS A LAW THAT DEPRIVES ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN, EVEN CITIZENS WHOSE CONDUCT I MAY FIND OFFENSIVE, ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE HELD SACRED FOR OVER 200 YEARS. Look at the fifth amendment......

Thanks for the opportunity to rant, Rebel. :)

Hmmmmmmmmm

Rick
04-02-2013, 07:57 PM
Someone needs a hug.

Sarge47
04-02-2013, 08:06 PM
Here's a question for you counselor, If Charles Manson made parole, would you allow him to own a firearm?....:confused1:

Ken
04-02-2013, 08:09 PM
Someone needs a hug.

Please take a shower first. And no thongs.

Rick
04-02-2013, 08:10 PM
Why you kinky devil. OK. Let's go.

Ken
04-02-2013, 08:14 PM
Here's a question for you counselor, If Charles Manson made parole, would you allow him to own a firearm?....:confused1:

Yes. However: (1) Charles Manson should have died decades ago in California's gas chamber; and (2) Since he didn't die that way, which speaks volumes to the gross incompetence and inadequacy of our progressive system, he should never leave prison alive. Believe it or not, your post supports my position.

Ken
04-02-2013, 08:14 PM
Why you kinky devil. OK. Let's go.

You're paying for dinner. And dessert. What time?

Rick
04-02-2013, 08:18 PM
Taco Bell is open late. 10ish?

rebel
04-02-2013, 08:21 PM
Taco Tuesday at taco johns. You might save 30 cents

Ken
04-02-2013, 08:31 PM
Taco Bell is open late. 10ish?

Soft Tacos only. The steak ones. I'll bring my own sauce. We won't use the whimpy stuff they serve there, will we?

Winnie
04-03-2013, 03:51 AM
Please take a shower first. And no thongs.

You've been gone waaaay too long , my lovely. The word is now Hong. The other word was interferring with the eyesight and mental wellbeing of members of WSF. Some even have a shrink on speed dial to help deal with the fallout after mention, let alone viewing said word, or worse, THAT photo.

sofasurfer
04-03-2013, 04:58 AM
Ken. You are definitely paying attention. You also are correct that our nation is in big trouble and freedom may very well be lost forever more. But there is one thing that you have missed...There are many organizations that are gearing up to battle the coming tyranny. And there WILL be a battle. Do not sit idly by. Get involved. There is hope. But it will require all good patriot Americans to get involved. The information to get started is out there. Look at www.cspoa.org or oathkeepers.org or http://constitutionclub.org/
Google "Richard Mack" or "KrisAnne Hall".
This is a list of my favorite videos on Constitution, Rights, Gun Laws, etc. Unbelievable inspiration, wisdom, hope and truth about the United States of America and its founders and protectors.

Michael Badnarik Bill of Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENg_bS77f0
Larry Pratt Nullifying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68nG673XTfM
Richard Mack Untouchable Bill of Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ygEk7lvvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqJU_vbu5S8
Jon Lopey Trinity Sheriffs Panel May 19 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mKVflmyp_g
Power of the Constitutional Sheriff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MglJf2JSJ8
Thomas Woods Nullification a Tool We All Have
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxxJYbZktyQ
NDAA and the US CONSTITUTION Pt 1 Romney and Gingrich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzNNsLB5Ra8
4-27-12 Guest Sharon Sebastion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdZHzMG66Kg
A Message from Fred Kelly Grant Sheriffs Stand Tall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdHNPlHutI
Agenda 21 a Time for Political Restoration Michael Shaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaEzBcLxYWw
Katherine Albrecht goes Mainstream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc3Uc06f_ms
Katherine Albrecht Spychips Threat Resist RFID
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZUPrCEoH8U
Ken Ivory four whys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmPfYJF2zsQ
KrisAnne Hall Liberty and the First Amendment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18guxwDPU4
KrisAnne Hall Genealogy of the Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDoZ2lsdpc0
Protecting Your Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THyaINTQuqU
US Senate Interview Constitutionalist Nevada 06-13-2012 David Lory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDwK8V-BGQ
Utah Freedom Conference 2012 Morning Session Pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okRlt_igsGk
Creator Endowed Rights 01/05/93 bill cooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ThLwfwKZlc
ECTP Meeting 9-15-12 pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD33JeigNBU
Special Report County Sheriffs Push Back Against Feds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7aUrtroSk0
What is A Republic A Democracy Understanding Understanding American

sofasurfer
04-03-2013, 05:13 AM
Convicted murderer Charles Manson being able to own a firearm? Don't you know the law? No one convicted of felony can own a firearm. But I'm not much worried about that happening. I would rather reinstate the death penalty for such criminals. Can you imagine an earthquake hitting California, and that kind of individual being let loose on the streets? Can't understand why our government pays for innocent babies to die in abortion clinics, put into formaldehyde jars for experiments and then we feed and house murderers for their entire lifetimes. Something VERY wrong with the system, I'd say.

Ken
04-03-2013, 07:30 AM
Don't you know the law?

(chuckle) No, I don't. I only pretend to on the Forums. In real life, I go door-to-door selling pre-packaged parakeet food.

Ken
04-03-2013, 08:05 AM
Sarge, please allow me to correct my answer....


Here's a question for you counselor, If Charles Manson made parole, would you allow him to own a firearm?....:confused1:


Yes. However: (1) Charles Manson should have died decades ago in California's gas chamber; and (2) Since he didn't die that way, which speaks volumes to the gross incompetence and inadequacy of our progressive system, he should never leave prison alive. Believe it or not, your post supports my position.


Convicted murderer Charles Manson being able to own a firearm?

I overlooked one word in your question - "PAROLE." That changes my answer to "NO!" However, if he was simply released without parole, my answer would still be yes. In one of my earlier posts, I suggested that all rights should be restored once a sentence is served and parole and/or probation has been completed.

A danger still exists, even if my position were to be adpoted, because many laws now provide for lifetime probation or parole. In order to push the anti-gun agenda, I can envision the floodgates bursting open with laws being passed to impose lifetime parole/probation for even minor offenses.

Our legal system is often considered to be the best in the world. I'll withhold judgment on that claim, but I will say that our legal system is terribly flawed, to the point where law rules and justice is tossed in the trash. More on that at another time.

Sarge47
04-03-2013, 12:17 PM
Oft times it's how things are interpreted. I don't see anything in the 2nd Amendment that grants the right to own a firearm by a convicted felon either. The city I live in is facing a major lawsuit over this nonsense right now!

http://www.mcdonoughvoice.com/article/20130403/NEWS/130409710 .....:lol:

welderguy
04-03-2013, 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by sofasurfer
Don't you know the law?

(chuckle) No, I don't. I only pretend to on the Forums. In real life, I go door-to-door selling pre-packaged parakeet food.

first things first LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ken, Need me to send you a couple books so you can catch up with some of the others on here when it comes to the Law?

2dumb2kwit
04-03-2013, 12:55 PM
Oh...and sofasurfer,
Just so you know, Ken not only practices constitutional law, he has also taught it. He's what you might call one of them there constitutional scholars.:smartass:

Batch
04-03-2013, 09:04 PM
No one convicted of felony can own a firearm.

You might mean to say no person who has been convicted of a felony can legally own a firearm. Most people convicted of felonies don't obey laws anyway.

Charles Manson? Charles Manson with a gun? That really is a bad example. Charles Manson types make scape goats and play scape goats in a court room.

I grew up in South Florida. Everybody smuggled or had some kind of connection with drugs. I know several dozen of felony convicts that own and use guns. Most moved out of Florida. Some even involved local law enforcement in armed disputes. Had a buddy that grew up next to me buy a piece of land in Missouri that was surrounded by another fellows land. He was told by the seller that the land owner liked to point 12 gauges at the land owners and tell them they were trespassing to get to their land. He found out that the guy had to give him a clear route of access and he went and enforced his rights with a 12 gauge.

welderguy
04-03-2013, 09:30 PM
here is were those restrictions came from... the 1968 gun control act.

AS QUOTED FROM Section 922 Section D Bowleg 1-9
(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person - (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26))); (6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
Exceptions as quoted from DEFINITIONS GCA Sec.921 (a)(33)(B):
(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.
Many states automatically reinstate gun ownership rights upon completion of sentence, some depend on the crime convicted of, and others have a petition process. Those convicted of a federal offense must contact Office of the Pardon Attorney, Department of Justice, to receive a presidential pardon. Under the Department's rules governing petitions for executive clemency, 28 C.F.R. 1.1 et seq., an applicant must satisfy a minimum waiting period of five years before he becomes eligible to apply for a presidential pardon of his federal conviction.

LowKey
04-03-2013, 10:06 PM
Ken were you on The Common today?
Or seen the as usual biased article written up in the Globe about it?
I had to stop reading the comments there.
All the rest of the state news outlets just quoted the AP wire. Even though the event was happening only blocks from their offices.

This state should just bulldoze Minuteman National Park in Lexington/Concord and build condos. They should raze Paul Revere's house and rip up the bricks of the Freedom Trail, send a broadside into the USS Constitution and burn the Old North Church. This state doesn't deserve to represent the Cradle of Liberty any more. And so goes the country.

I don't happen to believe in the extreme opposite though either. The Constitution guarantees Freedoms that the conservative side would like to limit as well. If both sides saw the Constitution as a whole, rather than just the pieces that suit their purposes we might have more common ground against those that want to dismantle it altogether.

Ken
04-03-2013, 10:32 PM
Ken were you on The Common today?

I wish I could have been.

Instead of being someplace I wanted to be, I wasted most of the day in court with a guy who has been a regular client for over 20 years. Today was his "come to Jesus" day. Can't say much about him other than that I've warned him this day would come at least 100 times. Same crime, repeated 16 times with a different victim each time, over 20 or so years. Can't believe I kept him out of jail the third time he was charged. Of course, now that he's locked up for the first time ever, he "can't understand why."

I get up to the North End quite often. I look at the Old North Church and just shake my head. Massachusetts is a pathetic state. Violent crime and armed robberies are on the rise, unemployment in my area is over 15% (documented) and all the politicians can do is clamor for more gun control, taxes, and welfare programs.

The Globe is a rag. Fortunately, it may fold soon.

If I didn't have family and a 30 year practice here, Id be long gone.

rebel
04-03-2013, 10:58 PM
It's like a slow cancer. It's painful to watch and know things will only get worse. I'm going to enjoy every day that I can. It'll be over soon enough. So, I choose to have fun while I can.

sofasurfer
04-04-2013, 05:47 AM
The 1968 gun control act may be law, but it is an illegitimate law. The 2nd amendment say "shall not be infringed". Most federal laws are illegitimate. Federal gov is very limited in authority. Trouble is that we have allowed it to go unchecked.

LowKey
04-04-2013, 07:15 PM
It really irks me that the government can turn an ordinary law-abiding citizen into a felon overnight, while doing absolutely nothing about the real felons out there.
They shouldn't be able to do that. Gun ownership seems to be about the only venue where they keep doing that crap. If it was legal yesterday, it should be legal today. The burden of proof shouldn't be on the citizen that they are 'suitable' for exercising their 2A right and they certainly shouldn't have to sign away other rights to gain that 2A right. In this state, on the table is a proposal that all applicants for a license have to sign away their HIPPA rights so a police chief can look at their medical records, with the age old mantra "if you are applying for a gun license you shouldn't have anything to hide". This from politicians who won't disclose their tax returns.
Medical records? If you aren't in the NICS, there is no need for a chief, any of which may be one of the anti-licensing cadre to look over your last endoscopy results (they might find the whole MA legislature up there). And what other conditions might they think disqualify you? Any which they can't pronounce maybe?

As for former inmates getting back their 2A rights, I can agree with the consideration if the crime was non-violent and especially if it didn't involve a violent use of a gun. Note I said violent. I've heard of a few cases where spousal arguments have resulted in gun confiscation due to a restraining order issued as reprisal.

Ken
04-04-2013, 07:30 PM
As for former inmates getting back their 2A rights, I can agree with the consideration if the crime was non-violent and especially if it didn't involve a violent use of a gun.

There lies the problem, my friend. Even you, a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, are willing to make room for exceptions. Exceptions and one minor restriction after another have brought us where we are today. Your intentions are good, but if you think about it, so are the intentions of many (not all, but many) of the people who would ban AR-15s, 30 round magazines, flash suppressors, pistol grips..... When it comes to our rights, we must safeguard them and fight EVERY attempt to restrict anyone in any way - even those we may consider to be our enemies - from exercising such rights.

crashdive123
04-04-2013, 07:50 PM
Ken, just to play devils advocate (you know my position) couldn't the loss of their 2nd Amendment rights be considered part of their sentence? If it were, then I would hope that it would only be part of a sentence for certain crimes.

Ken
04-04-2013, 08:25 PM
Ken, just to play devils advocate (you know my position) couldn't the loss of their 2nd Amendment rights be considered part of their sentence? If it were, then I would hope that it would only be part of a sentence for certain crimes.

The Constitution trumps everything else. No legislative act, state or federal, can deny you those rights. In my humble opinion, EVERY decision of every court that has approved any restriction on our Second Amendment rights has been dead wrong. The Supreme Court has been "legislating" since Marbury v. Madison. Our "independent judiciary" is just as political, biased, and corrupt as the other other two branches of government.

LowKey
04-04-2013, 10:16 PM
To be honest, while I have always wished it were possible to roll back all the laws to something a little more manageable, it never really occurred to me to roll em back all the way to just The Constitution... if I read what you're saying correctly. Though it may put you out of a job.

Ken
04-04-2013, 10:27 PM
To be honest, while I have always wished it were possible to roll back all the laws to something a little more manageable, it never really occurred to me to roll em back all the way to just The Constitution... if I read what you're saying correctly. Though it may put you out of a job.

That's not at all what I'm saying. However, if you were to exclude SOME, not all, environmental protection laws, and SOME, not all, civil rights legislation, this nation would probably be far better off if we repealed about 99% of the state and federal laws and regulations enacted in the last 50 years. Period.

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