Shotgun problem and new handgun purchase questions...

[RealPreppersWearPurple]

I have a Mossberg 500 Waterfowl that I have used for several years now as my primary bird gun. Recently, I went shooting with a buddy. I loaded 3 shells, like always. 1 in the chamber and 2 in the hole. After I discharge the first one, the second shell won't rack. It doesn't jam or go in the chamber, it falls out nonchalantly. The 3rd one enters and fires normally. It also happens when I only put 1 in the hole. The last time I went hunting it operated correctly I have never broken down this gun further than my limited knowledge allows me too(lesson learned in my younger days with an 870.). I unscrew the pump, pull off the barrel and clean. Nothing more. Any guesses or experiences with something similar?

Also, there's 2 completely seperate handguns I have been heavily researching and looking into getting. I haven't shot either of them yet. I'm doing that Saturday, and many more.
I want to get the S&W M&P Compact 45. One of my buddies in the service found em last week for $392 with a military discount. I have shot a lot of handguns, but I have never pourchased one. This will be my first. I want my first to be an everyday carry that is 100% concealable. I know the LCP is more copmpactable, but I like the stopping power of a .45. I want to be able to carry in the summer in shorts and a t-shirt. I'm 6'4 and 260 lbs. What are your experiences like with this gun on accuracy, dependability and concealability? I don't care if my guns don't have pleasing sight lines. I care only about functionality.

The other is about 8 months away, FN 5.7. This is an ongoing fascination of mine. I love everything I read about it. Anybody have one or have had one? Anyone shot them extensively? General impressions, concerns and fun facts will be appreciated.

Thanks for your time,
RPWP

[kyratshooter]

We are looking at three different extensive threads here!

First, clean the Mossburg. Wiping out the barrrel is not cleaning. Find a u-tube clip and follow the instructions for taking down the ACTION of the Mossburg, or get the manual on line. Get a toothbrush and some toothpicks and a supply of paper towels, Hopes #9 and a good lubericant and cean and oil the shotgun. You will probably find that it works properly after the crud accumilated after "several years as primary bird gun" has been removed.

Second, do not buy any pistol without a trip to a range where you can rent the intended victem of your attention. You do not buy a vehicle after thoroughly reading all reviews and discussing it with every "car nut" you know, without a test drive. Same for a pistol. GO SOMEWHERE AND RENT THE GUN FOR A TEST RUN.

Firing a M&P compact in .45 is going to be a revealing experience. It is going to reveal your inner capacity to flinch and your recoil sensitivity. Some folk can take it, but most can not. 90% of the population falls into the "can not" catagory.

The 5.7 I have not used and have no opinion on. It has not been on the wish list, ever. The wish list has been and still is extensive, and the 5.7 has not qualified. It is a "fad gun", expensive to purchase and expensive to feed.

[Rick]

I suspect the weight of that .45 is going to be something you won't want to carry every day. Find out how much it weighs then put that much weight in your pocket or a holster and walk around with it for a while. I don't think you'll like it too much.

[hunter63]

Plus 1 on the Mossberg cleaning.
These are pretty bullet proof, but get cattail grunge, fluff, dirt and mud (same stuff that fills the bottom of the pockets of your hunting coat, look like tobacco) all slammed around in the innards of that trigger group and ejectors, bet it work fine after a good cleaning.

No comment on the other two other than.... sounds like a bigger bullet size-ities.....want a small compact, but don't want to give up the big boom......decision time.

[RealPreppersWearPurple]

Kyrat, that is great info. I'll jump on it as soon as I can.
I will not ever buy any gun until I am 100% certain that it is right for me. I should have been more clear on that aspect.
I've heard about the kick and still like everything about it. That doesn't concern me until I shoot it. I'll let you know what I find.
If it is a fad gun, why does the Secret Service carry it?

Rick, that is good advice, but I doubt even an additional 5 lbs securely fastened on my hip would bother. I'll rig something up though and give it a walk through.

Hunter, I can't wait to see what kind of crap I pull out. I'll take pictures.

[11bgrunt]

I have 2 Mossberg 500's 1 is mine the other I gave to my son but it stays at my house, his mom won't allow guns in her home, he is 15, but I showed him how to take apart his and clean it, he did a half and half job gave it the Military inspection set him back down, he was having the same problem before cleaning it....works great now, mine never had a problem with it....now if only the Real Tree forends and stocks would come off back order at Midwayusa....I'm a "Real Tree" Freak.....but my four wheeler is Browning, cause its a Polaris, smoothest riding four wheeler out there....did look at some others that have Real Tree Camo but hard to make the switch, once I find something I like I generally stick with it...my Hi-point 9mm works just fine for me....just my 2 cents....

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