My Apology to All of You

[Daniel Nighteyes]

Folks,

The Sandy Hook Elementary tragedy really got to me, in a way that nothing else has done before. As a result I have been extremely upset/angry, to the point that I have said some things on this Forum that perhaps I should not have said. The technical term is "displaced emotion" -- there being no more suitable target, I dumped them on y'all. Please understand that my problem hasn't anything to do with any of you.

Please accept my sincere apology. I'm voluntarily withdrawing from these boards.

-- Nighteyes

[welderguy]

Daniel,

I think a lot of people share your emotions on the sandy hook incident, I dont think you making your feelings or opinions known was taken as a personal attack on any one person.
I hope you reconsidered your decision to leave the boards.

[BENESSE]

Having an opinion that differs from others shouldn't warrant an apology, it ought to be welcome.
We all say things from time to time that we might have wanted to paraphrase later but as long as one is respectful (you were) that's all that matters.
Please reconsider and don't be so tough on yourself.

[Sarge47]

I'm perfect, I never do anything that could be considered wrong or bad....NOT! The good things that you've brought really outweigh the other stuff, we're all only human...except for Rick of course. Look at that Hong for crying out loud! NO! I misspoke! DON'T look at that hong! See what I mean. Please stick around Daniel, I've always enjoyed your posts! :1:

[oldsoldier]

I'm perfect, I never do anything that could be considered wrong or bad....NOT! The good things that you've brought really outweigh the other stuff, we're all only human...except for Rick of course. Look at that Hong for crying out loud! NO! I misspoke! DON'T look at that hong! See what I mean. Please stick around Daniel, I've always enjoyed your posts! :1:

I agree with sarge. While I don't post much anymore I enjoy reading what others are posting Yours are good posts please don't go.

[sticker]

I agree there is no need for you to leave, maybe just take a little time away. Seems like your back on track now. I have been guilty of the same thing with friends and others since sandy hook. your not alone there

[gryffynklm]

Daniel, Stick around. I look forword to your posts. Please reconsider.

[GreatUsername]

Indeed, nothing to appologize for. Even if your opinion was flat out wrong, you're entitled to it, (opinions are never wrong though, that's why they're called opinions, not facts) and I'd never want you to feel bad for expressing something contrary to what some of us might feel. I felt no personal attack from you at all, and I truly appreciate your input. I hope you stay with the boards.

[Geek]

I feel you have expressed your opinions in a very respectful manner, despite the emotions you are describing now. I wish I could do as well.

Some times we have differing opinions and it isn't possible to remain completely non-political. The Sandy Hook incident has sent the whole country on both an emotional and a political jag. Survivalists or preppers are almost all gun owners. I know it is hard to take a position such as you did on a forum full of gun owners.

If you feel an apology is due, then let me offer mine to you.

[Sarge47]

I have a friend who is a Pastor with Jesus People USA in Chicago, a widely know musician all over the world, and a public speaker as well. His name is Glenn Kaiser and for years he was the lead guirtar player and, along with his wife, Wendy, was a vocalist for "The Resurrection Band!"(REZ) I'm quoting Glenn now from something he said at one of his leadership seminars at the Cornerstone Music Festival some years back: "It's alright if you don't agree with me, as a matter of fact, I don't want you to agree with me just to be agreeing with me...I want friends...not clones!" I've never forgotten that. :1:

[Delta 5168]

Dan, hope you'll reconsider leaving the board. You offer lot of good information and comraderie (sp).

[Stiffy]

You felt you needed to apologize. And you did. It's over.

Stick around. We need a variety of opinions on this forum.

[natertot]

Nighteyes, nothing you said has offended me. I may not have agreed with all you said, but never offended and certainly nothing worth apologizing for and pressing the ban button on yourself over. I do appreciate your convictions and opinions. I look forward to your insight in the future.

[Rbrownkatz]

I don't recall you posting anything in any way offensive. And if you did, you've taken responsibility and apologized. We need people with that kind of maturity and courage. Please don't leave.

[kyratshooter]

Now folks, if Daniel is gone then he is gone.

If he is still logging in to read these posts he is not gone and just waiting for everyone to beg him to return.

If he did say something that offended someone to the point that he feels the need to leave, then claiming he did not and begging him to stay is giving him permission to continue that behavior.

Stopping that behavior and continuing the normal communication would be the normal action. I have been given that option here and in other places several times. (those "Knock it off" posts by the mods come to mind) That course was not chosen.

On several forums I have packed up my marbles and gone home, but not because I was wrong. I did not consider the company worth keeping my opinions to myself. In most cases I never logged into that forum again. I value the association with this group, so I keep quiet many times, if you can believe that! (the repressed behavier is usually redirected at the first troll or ROTTW thread)

Is it that ones ideas offend, or that the ideas of others are offensive?

[dragon383]

funny... i got banned from a forum after speaking my mind.....wonder if that'll happen here!

[kyratshooter]

funny... i got banned from a forum after speaking my mind.....wonder if that'll happen here!

If can and it does.

There are a large number of folk that never reach the 100 post mark because they do not take the rules and the warnings of the mods seriously.

[dragon383]

well, i wasnt rude, nor did I cuss anyone out. i mearly typed what I felt about someones posting.... no warning or nothing

[Sarge47]

well, i wasnt rude, nor did I cuss anyone out. i mearly typed what I felt about someones posting.... no warning or nothing
We don't mind you typing your feelings out on another's post, but we don't allow "flaming." If I come across a post that's derogatory to another member then I delete the post and warn the offender via PM. If it continues, or the offender gets diarrhea of the word processor towards me then kiss him/her good-bye! Remeber that it's okay to disagree, but not in a rude, profane manner! :1:

[hunter63]

Well Danial, I guess it is, what it is.......was fun for the duration, and am still happy with the Handi, my friend....
keep you nose to the wind, and your powder dry.......
May see you around somewhere

[Psalm25]

well, i wasnt rude, nor did I cuss anyone out. i mearly typed what I felt about someones posting.... no warning or nothing

Some forums give the option to speak freely and openly and some don't. For example I belong to one forum that you can speak about anything you want to... religion, politics ect and it is up to the members if they wish to discuss it with you or not. There are 323,436 active members on it from all over the world. The only thing your not aloud to do is flame or swear (as most forums) and you get three warnings before you are banned. In this forum you can not discuss religion or politics and if you step out of line there does not have to be any warning that I know of. I don't know anything about forums as far behind the scenes, if they make money off of the number of members but I assume it is up to the owner of the forum to choose how they want the forum run and what the rules are. It is up to us if we want to be part of a forum that is strict or one that is more concerned with how many regular members it has. I enjoy this forum because I know we all enjoy the same survival topics and we all come here to talk about them. If I want to talk about religion or politics I simply go to the other forum. It is pretty much cut and dry and the best part is trolls are not tolerated here. Just this morning on the other forum I got the finger pointed at me by a mod because I called someone a troll who was clearly a troll who came and posted the same post 12 times in 5 minutes and what he posted was total stupidity. I didn't get a warning or in any trouble but my post was removed where I had said to the others "don't bother responding, he is a troll" If he was on here I imagine Crash would have sent him out the door... it is nice to have a place to hang your hat where there is no immature stupidity. ...although I did enjoy the Blade thing while it lasted lol.

[Psalm25]

Somehow I posted the above twice so I will get back on track and say I'm sorry to see your thinking of leaving Daniel. I have not been a member long enough to say I know you but I have enjoyed your posts. You have alot of knowledge to share and I have learned from your posts.

[Wildthang]

No need to leave Daniel, I am sorry you feel the need to leave, and I hope you will change your mind!

[LowKey]

Daniel was most respectful in offering his opinion on certain issues, but in this forum it may have been just a voice in the wind. Rather than become a troll about it, and re-registering under different names and stirring things up with heated diatribes, it sounds like Daniel has taken the high road and decided he and thee will not be able to see eye to eye and has moved on.
I can respect that.

[Sarge47]

In this forum you can not discuss religion or politics and if you step out of line there does not have to be any warning that I know of.
We send a warning via PM to the person and explain the reason their post was deleted and remind them of the rules. If it continues then we may use stronger measures. Some years back a Troll was put on something called "Global Ignore" where he was the only one, besides the mods, who could see what he posted. He's been back under other names, but has left sometime back because he could not play well with others, however, we never banned him. :1:

[Geek]

From other forums I would say it is extremely difficult to allow political discussions without crossing the line into flaming. This forum is well moderated and does a terrific job of allowing discussion on sensitive topics without allowing them to spin out of control. I think most of us understand the reason for the rules and try to observe them.

BTW: I think Daniel has always been courteous and observed the rules. He has been here since before I joined, and has been an active and constructive member. I can understand how he might feel a bit alone in his position on some of the gun control measures proposed since Sandy Hook, but I never took anything he said as being less than courteous. I wish there were more people like him who cared and fewer using the incident to further their own agendas.

[BENESSE]

Sometimes people take the idea of "like mindedness" to an extreme, confusing values with views; they chastise those with opposing views and neglect to appreciate something much more important: shared values.

[randyt]

I think it's human nature to recognize differences rather than similarities.

[aflineman]

Don't sweat it man. I realized a long time ago that if I was going to spend time in the service defending people's rights, I needed to defend all of them. NOT just the ones I agreed with.

[ElevenBravo]

Everyone is allow an emo session a few times a year, chauk it up to part of live and move forward.

I miss my peoples here and have come back mostly to post my videos and discuss in that thread, but I saw this and had to interject...


Relax my friend! Have an Even Williams and a Black 8 Mild, all things will be brighter the next day!

EB

[RangerXanatos]

Glad to see you back 11B

[BENESSE]

Nice to see you back 11B. We saved your place around the fire.

[Rick]

I'm not sure I understand your line of thought in how Sandy Hook is related to the forum or how a difference of opinions on the forum should somehow dictate an apology. Or a proclamation of withdrawal for that matter. We come, we go, it's pretty simple really. No offense intended.

[Geek]

Sandy Hook has released our politicians on the subject of gun control. Guns are a key to survival. QED Sandy Hook is relevant if we are no longer able to arm ourselves legally in the same manner as before, so it is a legitimate topic if we are able to keep it non-political and within the overall spirit of the forum. I think we have been able to do that in the past on other topics and thought we had done so here, but obviously Daniel had a problem with how it was handled.

Daniel expressed his views on the topic. Daniel was in a minority but from his post at the beginning of this thread it seems he was feeling it in a way that I did not pick up on earlier. I would welcome him back whenever he feels comfortable doing so.

I'd like to suggest that the moderators go back through the Sandy Hook thread and see if one or more of us needs some coaching. I don't want to lose valuable members like Daniel if we can avoid doing so and I will accept any constructive criticism that the moderators deem appropriate.

[BENESSE]

Well now...I have administered a few whacks with a rolled up newspaper and got my head bitten off along the way but I see it all as brain in the field kinda thang. :whistling:

[kyratshooter]

Good grief folks, Daniel is not the first person to pick up his marbles and walk away from this forum and he will not be the last. People get ticked off and leave on a regular basis, some of them have thousands of posts on record.

This one was just a bit more theatrical.

Get over it!

[BENESSE]

I don't like to see decent people leave who can add diversity and depth to any discussion. It's so much more interesting that way.

[Sarge47]

I don't know why Daniel felt the urge to leave, but I totally respect his decision to do so. The good news is he's just gone, not dead, so he may return...then again he may not. Way back before this forum had any mods I got angry at a certain member/troll that I mentioned before and left with another member who was also being bullyed by this clown. We talked it over via e-mail and decided that he wasn't going to run us off, so we came back and never put up with his crap again!

Then, the "heathen Chinee spambot attack" came and the boards got so overloaded that a lot of us just up and left. One member tried starting his own survival forum site, but when Chris came back he got it all squared away, so many of us came back, except for the member who started his own site. Chris banned him, but later forgave him and let him return. People leave, many of the ones who I enjoyed at the out set are no longer around. Owl Girl, Smok, Foggy Bottom, Trax, Beowulf, Ken, (who does show up briefly once in awhile when the ambulances aren't running!) just to name a few. One member had a fatal illness and passed away. People leave, they die, sometimes they return, sometimes we ban them and they try to return under a different name. It's only a forum after all, right? :1:

[Geek]

Good grief folks, Daniel is not the first person to pick up his marbles and walk away from this forum and he will not be the last. People get ticked off and leave on a regular basis, some of them have thousands of posts on record.

This one was just a bit more theatrical.

Get over it!

I've seen folks do that on other forums, and for that matter walked away from other forums myself. I think that usually there is a bit of obvious conflict going on before it occurs. I didn't see it coming in Daniels' case. I also think that the moderation here tends to minimize conflicts getting to that stage. I've also seen threads related to Sandy Hook on some other forums that are really brutal. I felt the one here was relatively mature in comparison.

[Geek]

It's only a forum after all, right? :1:

Good point.

[ElevenBravo]

Im back, but with a new mindset... To avoid the forum trolls and nazis... like the ones that say "get over it" when someone feels the need to leave. Ill mostly focus on my own started threads and try to no longer offer advice to someone under the age of 35... I may yet still resign my post here, seams theres still no leash on the trolls... some of us are wise enough to know who they are (Always have a smart alec attitude toward someone else, etc.. etc.. "you dont know anything, I know it all... your a troll, Im not..... if your leaving, be gone...." and other such attitudes). Ive been in touch with other members "off line" and there is a similar observation, and the same person(s) name keeps coming up, along with "idiot" in the same sentence. So, at least I dont feel alone.

EB

[welderguy]

Im back, but with a new mindset... To avoid the forum trolls and nazis... like the ones that say "get over it" when someone feels the need to leave. Ill mostly focus on my own started threads and try to no longer offer advice to someone under the age of 35... I may yet still resign my post here, seams theres still no leash on the trolls... some of us are wise enough to know who they are (Always have a smart alec attitude toward someone else, etc.. etc.. "you dont know anything, I know it all... your a troll, Im not..... if your leaving, be gone...." and other such attitudes). Ive been in touch with other members "off line" and there is a similar observation, and the same person(s) name keeps coming up, along with "idiot" in the same sentence. So, at least I dont feel alone.

EB

What is your definition of a troll ?

[GreatUsername]

Though I find the age limit a bit arbitrary (I fall into the "ignore" category) I understand your sentiment. If any of us youngin's are doing anything specifically irritating or saying something particularly stupid, I would hope that in at least my case someone might inform me of the error in my ways. If I have at any time been "trollish" or irritated you with my naivete, then I am sincerely sorry. There seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction amongst the older/experienced members here. I hope moods get better soon, and that we can all get along... :hugs:

[Sarge47]

...Ive been in touch with other members "off line" and there is a similar observation, and the same person(s) name keeps coming up, along with "idiot" in the same sentence. So, at least I dont feel alone.

EB

Those are opinions, and everybody's entitled to theirs. However, you do know what they say about opinions, right?



They're worth just what you paid for them. :w00t:

[ElevenBravo]

Trolls like to sit back and antagonize others, as one of many definitions.

I wont go into detail about my 35 yo rule, but the kids were not the problem, and Ill leave it at that.

EB

[natertot]

I don't understand how people can get so upset about what people say on here. Listen to advice, tips, tricks, and ideas. If it works for you, great. If not, move on. It is the internet for pity sakes.....

There are some really great folks on here though that I have met in person and would trust their advice wholeheartedly. Those looking for an ego trip do not warrant my attention.

[Winter]

Im back, but with a new mindset... To avoid the forum trolls and nazis... like the ones that say "get over it" when someone feels the need to leave. Ill mostly focus on my own started threads and try to no longer offer advice to someone under the age of 35... I may yet still resign my post here, seams theres still no leash on the trolls... some of us are wise enough to know who they are (Always have a smart alec attitude toward someone else, etc.. etc.. "you dont know anything, I know it all... your a troll, Im not..... if your leaving, be gone...." and other such attitudes). Ive been in touch with other members "off line" and there is a similar observation, and the same person(s) name keeps coming up, along with "idiot" in the same sentence. So, at least I dont feel alone.

EB

What are you talking about?

The mods and admins here do an outstanding job for their intelligence level. Hahaha

Honestly, I like less rules. It's not my forum, so if I gotta use a coaster for my drink I will.

This is where I come for Wilderness survival crap. Martial survival, not here, due to politics. Guns, not here. Knives, not here. I do find many great posts on all those and many talented knife makers hang out here.

[Wildthang]

Well I belong to a lot of motorcycle forums, and you haven't seen trolls until you belong to some of those forums. 16 year old kids with his first bike literally think they are gods. And the mods give them rope until they hang themselves, no warnings just the ban stick.
So yeah we have some smartazzes, thread jackers, and know it alls around here, but it's ma favorite place and has less trolling than other places. I just try to ignore the issues when they happen and log off!

[Geek]

I haven't been part of the offline emails, so I seem to be missing something, probably that I am one of the "idiots" as I am well over 35.

[BENESSE]

What no one talks about is how to deal with a short fuse as part of survival. Unchecked, it can get you in a lot of trouble if not killed.

[mountainmark]

What no one talks about is how to deal with a short fuse as part of survival. Unchecked, it can get you in a lot of trouble if not killed.

Agreed, there seems to be a distinct lack of patience sometimes. Something I also need to work on.

[rebel]

I think I'm the only one he attacked a couple of times. Once for hurricane Sandy and the other was for having an opinion about gun control. A lot of posts were edited. They would turn "ugly" with name calling ("sorry backside") and threats. I PM'd him a few times with no response. I'm not interested in trying to understand the why's. He did have eloquent writing abilities. Fare well.

[ElevenBravo]

I haven't been part of the offline emails, so I seem to be missing something, probably that I am one of the "idiots" as I am well over 35.

Geek, there is a back story that I wont share (Maybe this is not the place to do it)... but I mention this because it has nothing to do with you, or your age... If my post didnt make sense it was simply a lack of insight as to what I was saying, nothing more. Please do not misinterpret what I was saying, I made a one time vocal and I am satisfied it it rest at that.

As a matter of fact, part of what I had to say... will go unacknowledged by the "guilty party". :-)

Just wanted to make sure you had some understanding, and that you were not un-necessarily offended (?), you my friend are totally out of that loop.

Oh, and I promised Crash to not stir a pot, so that be that. Crash: I wanted Geek to know he wasnt a blip on anyone's radar in anyway (unless the feds are looking for him, and thats a different topic :-) )

Take care..
EB

[Geek]

I'm not offended. I am hoping that I was not a contributor to Daniel's decision.

[ElevenBravo]

I'm not offended. I am hoping that I was not a contributor to Daniel's decision.

Well now, the shoe is on the other foot now, because I was out of the loop on that and Im totally confused....

EB

[loner]

we all lose it once in a while no worries friend better to vent here then anywhere else

[rebel]

Ive been in touch with other members "off line" and there is a similar observation, and the same person(s) name keeps coming up, along with "idiot" in the same sentence. So, at least I dont feel alone.

EB

That must be reassuring. Have you PM'd that person(s) about your concerns?

[crashdive123]

Seems as though this thread has run its course. I would suggest to all - if you have an issue with and individual(s) and cannot resolve it then send one of the moderators a message and get them involved.

Thread is now closed.