Gun ban non political.

[sgtmcboom]

I thought I would be safe by getting a saiga 12 for home defence when is this an assult rifle this is going to far. Are they going to make it so that if you own it its against the law to keep it?

[hunter63]

Watch the news, .......call/write your congressmen, both state and federal.

[Old GI]

I heard a photo of a standard 10/22 was shown and declared it would be legal. Then showed the same 10/22 with foldong stock and some other after-market mods (not full auto) and that would be illegal. Beauty IS in the mind (or lack thereof) of the beholder.

[GreatUsername]

I really don't get what the big deal is with pistol grips. Folding stocks I can understand a little bit, but pistol grips simply do not make a gun more deadly or (other than cosmetically) threatening. Does anyone know the reasoning behind restrictions surrounding pistol grips? I personally know I would be more accurate and dangerous to other combatants (or whoever) with a rifle that had a traditional stock, but maybe I just have weird preferences? I really really don't get it.

And what about flash suppressors? What's the deal there? If people really think that a flash suppressor will make a gunman less noticeable, they've obviously never been around firearms much. Sure, it will reduce visibility, but the type of weapons that have flash suppressors are typically so loud that I can't imagine not immediately knowing where the gun is when fired. And of course, there is the funny bit where they forgot that flash suppressors were invented not to conceal the guns from others, but to keep the muzzle flare from blinding the person firing the gun during low-light conditions. Guuuuuuh

If they understood firearms at all, they'd leave these features alone and go after certain types of sights. IE: long-range telescopic sights, holographic sights, red dot, anything that increases the weapon's killing power over iron sights. But no. It's the stuff that makes guns more comfortable to use without greatly improving performance that can't be tolerated. Just as I think entities with a more conservative bias ought to fully research as well as interact with other beliefs and their practitioners before attempting to condemn, the anti-gun crowd is appallingly unread about guns, and I just find it all embarrassing.

Any thoughts on why they want to ban other features of assault weapons?

[crashdive123]

Their goal is to ban weapons. In order to do that, they play on the fears and emotions of others to accomplish their ultimate goal which is to ban weapons. It is easy to demonize something by it's appearance. You would have thought that we stopped those sort of tactics following the civil rights movement. Guess not.

[randyt]

no truer words have ever been spoken. The sooner people realize this the better. Gun control is wrapped up in this big lie about being reasonable.

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[hunter63]

At any cost, anyway possible, from any direction, a bit here, a bit there, what ever or how ever it takes,......The goal is to ban weapons.......Never for get it.

[Geek]

The whole term "assault weapons" is intended to confuse people who aren't familiar with guns. References to "military style", "killing machines", yada, yada throw up so much fog that people think these are fully automatic weapons.

[Daniel Nighteyes]

My friends, with this post I am quite possibly going to alienate many of you.

I strongly support the Second Amendment. Now, with that said, I also support Vice President Joe Biden's position on limiting magazine capacity. As I have stated in another thread, if you can't get the job done with 10 rounds, you probably can't get the job done with 20 (or 30, or 40) rounds without also causing significant collateral damage. As the old saying goes, "Gun Control means being able to hit your target."

If you can't do it with 10 rounds, why the f*ck should we let you have 20, or 30, or 40, rounds?

But hey, that's just me. Opposing opinions are more than welcome.

-- Nighteyes

[randyt]

If it makes sense to limit magazine capacity then it only seems reasonable to limit the amount of firearms a person can own. If you can't get the job done with one firearm holding 10 rounds why in the f*ck should we let you have two firearms or three firearms? Well shootfire If a person carried three ten round handguns that would be the equivalent to a 30 round magazine.

[Daniel Nighteyes]

I've thought long and hard about my position; I have stated my position; and I'm content with my position. Anyone can "yes-but" and "but-what-if" my position to their heart's content. It will change nothing...


The simple fact is, and remains, that short of full-on combat against enemy troops or Zombies, there is no reason that rank-and-file citizens need magazines holding more than ten rounds. I could effectively make the case for limiting rifle magazines to five rounds, but why bother? Y'all have enough to contend with as it is...

-- Nighteyes

[randyt]

I'm just trying to be reasonable. For a guy that said "Opposing opinions are more than welcome" you sure have a way of showing it.

[hunter63]

My friends, with this post I am quite possibly going to alienate many of you.

I strongly support the Second Amendment. Now, with that said, I also support Vice President Joe Biden's position on limiting magazine capacity. As I have stated in another thread, if you can't get the job done with 10 rounds, you probably can't get the job done with 20 (or 30, or 40) rounds without also causing significant collateral damage. As the old saying goes, "Gun Control means being able to hit your target."

If you can't do it with 10 rounds, why the f*ck should we let you have 20, or 30, or 40, rounds?

But hey, that's just me. Opposing opinions are more than welcome.

-- Nighteyes

I disagree.
The principle,..... It's no one business if I choose to have a high cap magazine.....I might like them just because.

[Daniel Nighteyes]

I disagree.
The principle,..... It's no one business if I choose to have a high cap magazine.....I might like them just because.

And that, my friend, is a right guaranteed to both of us by the Constitution. 'Tis good to hear from you.

-- Nighteyes

[crashdive123]

Daniel - while I certainly respect your opinion - I disagree with it on a couple (at least) levels.

I can think of quite a few instances where more than 10 rounds might be necessary. I also (as has been stated) believe that reasons for ownership, or participation as one desires if you will don't matter when it comes to rights.

[Daniel Nighteyes]

Daniel - while I certainly respect your opinion - I disagree with it on a couple (at least) levels.

I can think of quite a few instances where more than 10 rounds might be necessary. I also (as has been stated) believe that reasons for ownership, or participation as one desires if you will don't matter when it comes to rights.

Crash,

Isn't it wonderful that such a forum as this permits individual expressions without limitation?

[crashdive123]

Oh - there's limitations - I'll let you know when you reach yours.:whistling:

[Geek]

I've thought long and hard about my position; I have stated my position; and I'm content with my position. Anyone can "yes-but" and "but-what-if" my position to their heart's content. It will change nothing...


The simple fact is, and remains, that short of full-on combat against enemy troops or Zombies, there is no reason that rank-and-file citizens need magazines holding more than ten rounds. I could effectively make the case for limiting rifle magazines to five rounds, but why bother? Y'all have enough to contend with as it is...

-- Nighteyes

The second amendment refers to militia, which is every able bodied man. When called we are supposed to show up with firearms adequate to the task of engaging in combat. In combat I would prefer large magazines, especially if I am already disadvantaged by using a semi-automatic when the opposing force may have fully automatic weapons.

Now you may argue that being called in such a fashion is unlikely. However, our military is about to undergo a very serious contraction and that makes the likelihood of having to act as local militia higher than it has ever been in our lifetime. Furthermore, as preppers we prepare for a wide variety of catastrophes, including a total breakdown of government. In such a circumstance, the possibility of combat is quite real, so again the best combat weapon available is what would be preferred.

If we are not armed with combat capable weapons, we are prepared neither to perform the function for which the 2nd Amendment was intended, nor for the possibility of government breakdown.

Do I think either of these scenarios is likely? Not at the moment, but depending on what our military looks like in a few years, I may feel the likelihood is increasing and the need for such weapons greater than it is today.

[GreatUsername]

High-cap mags also make the government live in greater fear of its people. I like that very much. You know what they say about tyranny...

[Seniorman]

I strongly support the Second Amendment. Now, with that said, I also support Vice President Joe Biden's position on limiting magazine capacity. As I have stated in another thread, if you can't get the job done with 10 rounds, you probably can't get the job done with 20 (or 30, or 40) rounds without also causing significant collateral damage. As the old saying goes, "Gun Control means being able to hit your target."

If you can't do it with 10 rounds, why the f*ck should we let you have 20, or 30, or 40, rounds?

Based on your following qualifiers, none of which exist in the Second Amendment, I do not believe you "strongly support the Second Amendment." The word "need" is not in any part of the Second Amendment, nor is anything about requiring a person to hit his target else be denied his Second Amendment Right. Yet you want standard capacity magazines banned because that towering pyramid of intellect, Joe Biden, tells you that gun owning citizens don't "need" them.

Ah, Joe Biden. Such a firearms expert and self defense authority on whom you rely.

Biden has also stated people should only have shotguns for self defense. He's been on record for years also stating that he does not believe people should own guns, just as his boss, Obama has stated.

Such a law as you and Biden and Obama and Feinstein, and all their comrades advocate would also necessarily require the Government Police, at the point of their guns, to confiscate the millions and millions of banned standard magazines from several million gun owners.

After all, if the evil little tin boxes with springs inside, holding eleven or more rounds were left in the hands of the worker peasants and serfs, the anti-guns crowd could assume they might still use them to run rampant, murdering dozens of little children at a session. Standard capacity magazines would have to be confiscated. You and Biden , et al. demand punishment of people before they commit a crime. (Anti-Fourth Amendment, Anti-Fifth Amendment.)

You and Biden, et al. have the Right to determine your needs, but you have no Right to arrogantly determine mine, nor determine how I choose to defend myself and family. My unalienable Rights are not subject to your onerous dictates. Nor do you have the Right to punish me if I do not accept your dictates.

Perhaps you hold your flawed opinion because you are unfamiliar with semi-auto rifles and pistols, instant magazine changes and how rapidly they can be done. Any criminal who decides to go on a murderous rampage, can change 10 round magazines quickly and continue killing, just as he (or she) could with a standard capacity magazine. So, the criminal just carries a bunch of 10 round magazines and goes at it.

Of course, the anti-Second Amendment crowd would then argue, "Well, in that case, we'll just have to pass a law that no one can own more than one ten round magazine." Or, to paraphrase the Left's great hero, Calif. Dem. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, "Turn in those ten rounders you worker peasants and serfs, or we'll come get them!"

Any Federal law passed banning standard magazines for rifles and pistols, must necessarily be enforced with armed force, and there must be harsh penalties for violating said law if it is to be effective in the eyes of your Lords and Masters on the Left. The worker peasants and serfs must be made so frightened of the Government Police and Politicians they will obey their dictates in mass. Fear must be instilled on a national level.

Considering that several million people very well may not be as afraid of your Lords and Masters as they want, and those people violate the laws and NOT turn in their standard capacity magazines, how many years in a Federal prison do you want these million or two malevolent lawbreakers to serve?? And, how many new, gigantic Federal prisons do you want to be built to house all the lawbreakers who refuse to obey your Lords and Masters?? And how many of those lawbreakers do you want your Federal Police to kill, should they "make a furtive move" while being arrested?


D.N. - "If you can't do it with 10 rounds, why the f*ck should we let you have 20, or 30, or 40, rounds?"

"We??????" Who the Hell are you that you adopt the Imperial "We?" Who the Hell are you that you'll not "let me" own a small tin box with a spring in it?? How very, very telling of your arrogant, holier-than-thou, superior, elitist attitude. Are you an I-love-the-power Federal police officer with a gun and badge, or perhaps just some low level Federal paper pusher who swills at the taxpayers' trough, wallowing in self annointed authority you'd like to have but don't have?


D.N. - "I Strongly support the Second Amendment?" No, not hardly. Either you are profoundly naive of facts, or you are extremely disingenuous. I suspect "both."

That's my opinion of your opinion.

S.M.

[crashdive123]

Please stop making it personal. I know it is difficult, and passions run high on the subject but I have faith that we can all keep the conversation civil.

[welderguy]

Please stop making it personal. I know it is difficult, and passions run high on the subject but I have faith that we can all keep the conversation civil.

+1 !!! .....................

[Highhawk1948]

And that is why they want to take our weapons, they fear us! Just look at American Expansion of the West.

[welderguy]

whats that old saying " an armed person is a citizen , and unarmed citizen is a subject" or something to that effect

[BENESSE]

whats that old saying " an armed person is a citizen , and unarmed citizen is a subject" or something to that effect

Well, if a "tool" is something you need to make you feel like a citizen, the issue is more complicated than I thought.

[welderguy]

No B the meaning behind that is the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.. when a "FREE" country takes that away you arent a citizen but a subject of that ruler !

[welderguy]

It all starts some place, little bits at a time, till wow what just happend we went from a democracy to a dictatorship and no one realised it. BUT hey its all for the good of the people, its just too bad that the people didnt decide what was the best for them it will have been decided for US

[randyt]

those who hammer their swords into plow shares will plow for those who don't.

[LowKey]

They are already nibbling you to death. NY with it's 7 bullet limit.

In MA they are trying to pass a law that anything that holds more than 10 has to be sold or destroyed within a year of the law being passed. Not just magazines but lever actions or any other semi-auto rifle that has more than a 7-round tube. They say you can keep your current 10 round mags but can only load 7 bullets. And any gun purchased after this bill passes would have to be a 7 rounder.
This is nothing short of confiscation.
They are not picking these numbers out of a hat. It's calculated to do the most damage to law abiding folks. This isn't about fighting crime. It is about taking guns. We are fighting. Hard.

But now there is the in-fighting. Various groups of militant zombie-apocolypse individuals (the-BOB-and-the-Black-Gun crowd) who are crashing peaceful rallies of hard-working citizens out to support the 2nd amendment. These guys who are open carrying when it isn't appropriate (yet), wearing camo and hiding their faces, and basically putting out exactly what the "I told you so's" want to see. The Gun Nut. One guy with an AR strapped to his back in Maine gets more press coverage than several thousand everyday citizens carrying signs in every state capitol in the country on a single day. And not good press. I'm almost convinced they are anti-gunners in disguise. If you ever wonder why the NRA only has 5 million members instead of 180 million, you need look no further than this.

It didn't even take a month for a rally here to be unsponsored because of them.

You are not going to win anything that way.
The Press is NOT your friend.

BTW, on a different subject, I want some of the 7-rounders or even the 10-rounders to consider trying to get off so few aimed shots at a moving target that is shooting back. Plinking paper at the range is one thing. Being the only thing between a murderous gang and your family is quite another. Short of combat, there is no way to 'learn' that skill. How one protects one family isn't up to others to decide. It is every law-abiding citizen's right to make that choice himself. 5 rounds. 10 rounds. 30 rounds. Or not to own a gun at all if they so choose.

Vice President Biden and his double-barreled shotgun better hope there aren't three criminals breaking into his house when the Secret Service isn't looking.

Not only don't criminals count to seven, there is nothing saying there is only ever just one of them.

<steps off soapbox>

[welderguy]

one of the MASS Murders in our history was done by a POLICE officer, someone who were taught to trust and depend on to save lives. PROTECT AND SERVE not Kill and injure. Who regulated what he owned, he would have been exempt from the ban because he was a LEO... Or the Army Lt (?) that went on a spree on base, WOW who gets to regulate that, he has access to things even LEO's dont.
instead of regulating what we can and cant own how about regulating who can and cant own them, maybe a Psychological profile prior to purchasing a firearm and a recheck every 6 month. and a drug test every month. OH wait that wont help because most of the shooting are done with someone else's firearm.

I can go on and on for ever but what it boils down to is People that like living in a free country will fight for what they believe in the rest will be sheepal and obediently obey there higher power.

[BENESSE]

I too, am concerned about the slow erosion of our rights and frankly, I have way more reason to resent what's happening than most of you. However, let's not be selective about which rights we decide to get indignant about and fight for all of them equally.
I don't hear much about the others which are just as important.

[Bearskin Grills]

This is all part of a much larger agenda. Sandy Hook just happened to happen at the right time to be exploited. There is nothing logical about the legislation they are trying to ram through, or that states like NY already have. I mean the argument is we want to monitor and register the bullets you buy so we can see who is stock piling to prevent another sandy hook? Lanza could have gone out and bought 2 boxes of bullets and had all he needed to do what he did. That shows up on no ones radar screen. But the guy who target shoots every few weekends and is buying a thousand rounds is the guy everyone is watching. you take a training class like frontsite or one of the others and you'll go through a thousand rounds in a day. all of a sudden you are a suspected terrorist.

I've been shooting for decades. shot over 100,000 rounds and never killed anyone. and for years i did this as a law abiding citizen enjoying my 2nd amendment rights. but something has changed. when i went shooting two weeks ago, doing exactly what i've been doing for years, i did as a criminal. what i was shooting and how many bullets i used, made me a criminal. and that all came about by the stroke of a politicians pen. There i something very wrong with that. it's not about gun ownership or shooting. It's about our rights and freedoms and what we can not allow our elected officials to take away from us.

[welderguy]

I too, am concerned about the slow erosion of our rights and frankly, I have way more reason to resent what's happening than most of you. However, let's not be selective about which rights we decide to get indignant about and fight for all of them equally.
I don't hear much about the others which are just as important.

I couldnt agree More !!!! it just seems that this particular argument "the AWB" will fix everything wrong with America.

[welderguy]

People that know me , dont understand why I get so wound up over this issue. Funny thing is with the part time work I do it should effect me . But thats not the point the point is our RIGHTS that a lot of men died to give us.

[Bearskin Grills]

People that know me , dont understand why I get so wound up over this issue. Funny thing is with the part time work I do it should effect me . But thats not the point the point is our RIGHTS that a lot of men died to give us.

They put the right in the document this country was founded on. The document that was to be the driving force on how this country was to be run and governed. It was included in the document that described how our government was to be set up and what powers each group had. It was in the document that detailed what our rights as civilians were. they have already dealt a major blow to the first amendment, now the second? how long before we do start putting real limits on speech, or assembley, or due process or any of our rights. What happens when they decide some men were created more equally than others? This is a major issue. and this is an issue where 100% of the population needs to stand up to the government and say we're not going to take it.

[welderguy]

They put the right in the document this country was founded on. The document that was to be the driving force on how this country was to be run and governed. It was included in the document that described how our government was to be set up and what powers each group had. It was in the document that detailed what our rights as civilians were. they have already dealt a major blow to the first amendment, now the second? how long before we do start putting real limits on speech, or assembley, or due process or any of our rights. What happens when they decide some men were created more equally than others? This is a major issue. and this is an issue where 100% of the population needs to stand up to the government and say we're not going to take it.

That my friend is Dead on!

[welderguy]

wasnt this ment to protect us from a weapons ban?

AMENDMENT 2
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

and wouldnt the second amedment be protected by this

AMENDMENT 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[natertot]

"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

-Adolf Hitler, 1938

[crashdive123]

wasnt this ment to protect us from a weapons ban?

AMENDMENT 2
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

and wouldnt the second amedment be protected by this

AMENDMENT 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I disagree with the statement I highlighted in red. Our rights are acknowledged by the Constitution, not granted by it. So the 10th does not grant power to regulate rights.

The Federal government was actually supposed to have very, very limited powers. The citizens have allowed it to grow to what it is. We have only ourselves and those that came before us to blame, but it is incumbent upon each of us to see that the government adheres to the Constitution.

[Wildthang]

I wonder if they even realize that they have shot their own foot because there has been hundreds of thousands of hi cap mags and AR type weapons sold in the last 2 months, more than they can ever confiscate or register! And a lot of those guns just changed hands for cash so they have no idea who has them or where they are!

[Moonviper]

Are you sure thats a guy? I saw the picture and thought it was some old woman trying to looking like an indian. Sorry, it must be my eyes.

[Moonviper]

When I go hunting I take 2 rounds, not because I'm some great hunter but because, if you practice I can't see you useing more than 2 rounds. When the indians where being wiped out by the white man, did they stick with the bow because they where very good at hunting, or did they get as many guns as possible to defend thier homes and familys? Would they have bought and traded for weapons, that where better than the white mans, if they could? Would they have said, there is a man who will give us guns that fire many more bullets than the white mans and we will stop him from killing us, and takeing our land. Or would they have said, I have 10 arrows why would I need a gun? The spider lives also on the back of the turtle and it blinds people, yes even the wise. I would prefer to own a tank than an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine.

[Rbrownkatz]

Seniorman: "He's been on record for years also stating that he does not believe people should own guns, just as his boss, Obama has stated."

I'd appreciate a reference to when and where Obama said or wrote that, some video, sound bite, article or such.

Thanks.

[welderguy]

I disagree with the statement I highlighted in red. Our rights are acknowledged by the Constitution, not granted by it. So the 10th does not grant power to regulate rights.

The Federal government was actually supposed to have very, very limited powers. The citizens have allowed it to grow to what it is. We have only ourselves and those that came before us to blame, but it is incumbent upon each of us to see that the government adheres to the Constitution.

Correct . I worded that wrong.

[welderguy]

When I go hunting I take 2 rounds, not because I'm some great hunter but because, if you practice I can't see you useing more than 2 rounds. When the indians where being wiped out by the white man, did they stick with the bow because they where very good at hunting, or did they get as many guns as possible to defend thier homes and familys? Would they have bought and traded for weapons, that where better than the white mans, if they could? Would they have said, there is a man who will give us guns that fire many more bullets than the white mans and we will stop him from killing us, and takeing our land. Or would they have said, I have 10 arrows why would I need a gun? The spider lives also on the back of the turtle and it blinds people, yes even the wise. I would prefer to own a tank than an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine.

What are you trying to say? that the indians were content with Bow and arrow and didnt want or need gun? Your statemnet could be taken in a couple diffrent ways.
When I go hunting I have 5 tags on my licence and I take a lot more than 5 rounds I plan on putting meat in my freezer.

[hunter63]

When I go hunting I take 2 rounds, not because I'm some great hunter but because, if you practice I can't see you useing more than 2 rounds. When the indians where being wiped out by the white man, did they stick with the bow because they where very good at hunting, or did they get as many guns as possible to defend thier homes and familys? Would they have bought and traded for weapons, that where better than the white mans, if they could? Would they have said, there is a man who will give us guns that fire many more bullets than the white mans and we will stop him from killing us, and takeing our land. Or would they have said, I have 10 arrows why would I need a gun? The spider lives also on the back of the turtle and it blinds people, yes even the wise. I would prefer to own a tank than an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine.

Not sure I follow this either........

[Old GI]

Heard this the other day - "There are only two reasons to register firearms; to tax or take". Wish I could find the source so I could attribute this to that person.

[prariewolf]

Every citizen that can legally own a firearm should be able to poccess the same firearms as the gov't .....This will keep the balance of power even. Why have Police dept. gone away from traditional police uniforms to B.D.U.'s ....Why do the Swat team members cover their faces when they are on a raid ? Why do the police no longer have badge numbers / name tags ? Why is the military/ law enforcment combat helmet styled like Nazi helmet off WWII ? Take a look this trail is obvious even on rocky ground.

[welderguy]

Every citizen that can legally own a firearm should be able to poccess the same firearms as the gov't .....This will keep the balance of power even. Why have Police dept. gone away from traditional police uniforms to B.D.U.'s ....Why do the Swat team members cover their faces when they are on a raid ? Because a lot of them are also undercover officers that work narc or ice. Why do the police no longer have badge numbers / name tags ? Why is the military/ law enforcment combat helmet styled like Nazi helmet off WWII ? Are you refering to the pasgt? Take a look this trail is obvious even on rocky ground.


LEO's in texas still have name plates!

[welderguy]

Not sure what happend with all the big letters , sorry just wanted to highlight my answers

[prariewolf]

Yes the pasgt..Could it also be that they are avoiding being held responsible for their actions..? What did he look like/ He hada mask on. What was his badge number ? he didn't have one .

[jmarshnh]

It all starts some place, little bits at a time, till wow what just happend we went from a democracy to a dictatorship and no one realised it. BUT hey its all for the good of the people, its just too bad that the people didnt decide what was the best for them it will have been decided for US

America is not a democracy thank God, it is a Republic.

To quote Thomas Jefferson "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it away."

and Benjamin Franklin "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security"

Jim

[welderguy]

Yes the pasgt..Could it also be that they are avoiding being held responsible for their actions..? What did he look like/ He hada mask on. What was his badge number ? he didn't have one .

I must have missed a post who are you refering too? And the Pasgt helmet has been around since the 80's . If your refering to A tactical entry team or a warrant team The hoods serve several purposes, First is protection just like gloves on the hands, second is to stay anonymous from the criminals, its hard to sell or buy drugs from a dealer if youve been id in a raid.

[Rick]

I'm late to the party as usual.

Here's is my cut on high cap mags. I think there are a lot of legitimate uses and none involve tyranny.

A half dozen reasons for high capacity mags.

1. Protecting livestock.
2. That’s standard on some weapons. My XD Service .45 holds 13 rounds.
3. 3 gun competition shooting
4. Speed shooting competition
5. Hunting wild boar
6. Because if the time comes that I NEED to use my firearm in the defense of myself or other innocents I choose to use the best available resources hoping they equal or exceed those available to the assailants... and 'high capacity' magazines are readily available to those who choose to do harm.

As to New York's 7 round limit.....

At a time when the state’s finances are in complete disarray (they delayed paying income tax refunds one year to push the costs into the next year and raided several state funds that were supposed to be dedicated to other uses) they have now pushed income from the sale of weapons, ammo and accessories into other states. Folks in New York will simply cross over to neighboring states, make their purchases and no one will be the wiser. Not only will the state miss out on the tax revenues but they will be putting a greater strain on small business owners, the single largest source of employment in the U.S.

Finally, if you look at the FBI UCR for 2011 you'll see that all rifles constituted 323 murders in the U.S. .... ALL Rifles. There were 1694 stabbing murders. Just sayin'..............

323 people were killed with rifles in 2011. All rifles including those uber scary AR platforms.
356 by shotguns. All shotguns.
1694 were stabbed to death.
496 were clubbed to death
728 were beaten to death with hands or feet.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8


Finally, finally....

I've written all my representatives and received responses from same assuring me they will not only vote AGAINST any further assault on the 2nd amendment but will actively try to stop the Prez's use of Executive Orders to circumvent the Congress. I love my state.

[welderguy]

I'm late to the party as usual.

Here's is my cut on high cap mags. I think there are a lot of legitimate uses and none involve tyranny.

A half dozen reasons for high capacity mags.

1. Protecting livestock.
2. That’s standard on some weapons. My XD Service .45 holds 13 rounds.
3. 3 gun competition shooting
4. Speed shooting competition
5. Hunting wild boar
6. Because if the time comes that I NEED to use my firearm in the defense of myself or other innocents I choose to use the best available resources hoping they equal or exceed those available to the assailants... and 'high capacity' magazines are readily available to those who choose to do harm.

As to New York's 7 round limit.....

At a time when the state’s finances are in complete disarray (they delayed paying income tax refunds one year to push the costs into the next year and raided several state funds that were supposed to be dedicated to other uses) they have now pushed income from the sale of weapons, ammo and accessories into other states. Folks in New York will simply cross over to neighboring states, make their purchases and no one will be the wiser. Not only will the state miss out on the tax revenues but they will be putting a greater strain on small business owners, the single largest source of employment in the U.S.

Finally, if you look at the FBI UCR for 2011 you'll see that all rifles constituted 323 murders in the U.S. .... ALL Rifles. There were 1694 stabbing murders. Just sayin'..............

323 people were killed with rifles in 2011. All rifles including those uber scary AR platforms.
356 by shotguns. All shotguns.
1694 were stabbed to death.
496 were clubbed to death
728 were beaten to death with hands or feet.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8


Finally, finally....

I've written all my representatives and received responses from same assuring me they will not only vote AGAINST any further assault on the 2nd amendment but will actively try to stop the Prez's use of Executive Orders to circumvent the Congress. I love my state.

WOOHOO, Thats great I wish everyone that is against it would do that same thing. THANK YOU SIR!

[prariewolf]

When it was legal to purchase Thompson Sub-Machine guns over the counter and thru the mail....I believe that I read somewhere that a significant percentage were sold to Ranchers/ farmers in Western States ...They wanted A high Cap. Mag. then , have the reasons changed now / Before you ask I do not remember where I read this..

[Seniorman]

Seniorman: "He's been on record for years also stating that he does not believe people should own guns, just as his boss, Obama has stated."

I'd appreciate a reference to when and where Obama said or wrote that, some video, sound bite, article or such.

Thanks.

Rbrownkatz, I just saw your request. I will look it up and post it.

S.M.

[Rick]

I don't know. But if you have a wild boar heading in your direction at full speed you'll probably want a belt fed and a deep ammo box. Let me rephrase that. I would.

[Rick]

Seniorman - That comment comes from a meeting Obama had with John Lott, who you may know is a gun author. This goes back to sometime in the late 80's or early 90's if my memory is right. Anywho...Lott has been credited numerous times as having said Obama made that statement to him. True? Who knows. I guess Obama and Lott do. But given his Chicago roots and his claim that the only two reasons to own a weapon are hunting and target shooting I can sure see him saying that. I know he's adamantly opposed to CCW as is the State of Illinois.

[crashdive123]

Here is John Lott discussing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tUJaUY2OiY

[randyt]

When it was legal to purchase Thompson Sub-Machine guns over the counter and thru the mail....I believe that I read somewhere that a significant percentage were sold to Ranchers/ farmers in Western States ...They wanted A high Cap. Mag. then , have the reasons changed now / Before you ask I do not remember where I read this..


My grandfather had to give his machine gun up, in the mid 1930's 200 dollars was a lot of money, at least it was for him at the time. I hope history doesn't repeat its self.

[hunter63]

We were supposed to have one as a door prize at the Duck Unlimited Dinner last year.....was only a semi, (obviously), but they were having problems with them and never shipped the one we had on order.

Dealer guys were telling us what all problems thay were having with them
Not for me.

[Moonviper]

This was aimed more at daniel nighteyes, he fancys or may be an indian. I am 1/4 cherokee and my uncles, always bragg about how great they hunt and that we dont need high cap mags and they should be band, just like Daniel says. I am more along the lines that it is my constitutional right to own what ever I please. Its not really about hunting and when i go out for a deer or an elk I normaly only take 2 rounds even though my boys laugh and make fun. So in a nut shell, I would like my high capacity magazines, but if it was leagal i would also own a fully funcinal tank.

[Moonviper]

During and after WWI the military had alot of soldiers who went deaf due to the shapes of thier helmets. During WW2 there design was better but was still just a tin pot that allowed shrapnel thru and allowed alot of sound to damage the ears. The kevlar came along and put the german style hoods over thier ears to protect. Maybe we should all dress like swat and when they are doing a raid we raid them. lol I dont know

[GreatUsername]

As far as taking only a few rounds with you is concerned, I can understand the tradition of it, sort of like "one match" in boyscouts to light a fire, but you know what? Unless you're using .50 BMG you won't feel the extra weight of bringing a handful of rounds, and I have always felt it is better to have something and not need it than to need it and not have it, especially when it doesn't weigh much.

PS: good on you for wanting a tank. Heck of an insurance premium, and horrible gas mileage, but you'll be the envy of all the neighbors. :tank:

[Rbrownkatz]

Seniorman, Rick, Crashdive - Thanks.

[Seniorman]

Crashdive 123 and Rick, thanks for the referral to John Lott. I knew it was out there somewhere.

Rbrownkatz, (and all) here is a link to Obama's gun control "beliefs" and efforts. One only has to read between the lines, to understand that he does not believe us "worker peasants" should own firearms.

Compile in total what Obama has said, done, and what he says and does today i.e., Executive Orders, etc., to understand that. Of course, he's joined in lock step by his fawning little power mad toadies, Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg, Lieberman, Boxer, ad nauseum.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

S.M.

[LowKey]

On a now more insidious level, not only are we fighting a president and a governor in this state, but selectmen in one town, who have never apparently actually read any of our Chapter 140 gun laws, is trying to criminalize every single semi-auto in that town. http://westford.patch.com/articles/selectmen-mull-warrant-article-on-gun-ban

Can you imagine a crazy patchwork of towns all with different gun laws?

I hope to heck we can add signs under the Welcome to Westford road signs that say, Gun Free Zone. Criminals Keep Out.

I don't live there, but here in the land of the blind leading the blind, other towns will follow. I can only hope they all get their budgets sued out from under them when they get taken to court.
I think that photo of the check from the City of Chicago made out to the NRA should be mailed to every selectman that tries this.
Along with a petition for recall.

[crashdive123]

A couple of years ago a law was passed in Florida that basically said no city, county or municipality could enact any gun laws that were more restrictive than state laws. It went further - stating that as of the deadline of xxxx any city, county or municipality that still had gun regulations on the books that were more restrictive than those of the state would automatically hold the politicians in those arenas in contempt and subject to monetary fines ($5,000 iirc). Needless to say the law was challenged in court. When the challenges failed there was a whole lot of scrambling going on to remove some of the more restrictive regulations.

The thought process was that it was impossible to be in compliance with the law when crossing county/city lines and created an undue burden for law abiding citizens. I wish the same view was prevalent on a national level.

[cwi555]

Finally, if you look at the FBI UCR for 2011 you'll see that all rifles constituted 323 murders in the U.S. .... ALL Rifles. There were 1694 stabbing murders. Just sayin'..............

323 people were killed with rifles in 2011. All rifles including those uber scary AR platforms.
356 by shotguns. All shotguns.
1694 were stabbed to death.
496 were clubbed to death
728 were beaten to death with hands or feet.


I want to see the registration and confiscation of hands and feet....just sayin

[welderguy]

I want to see the registration and confiscation of hands and feet....just sayin

Would you car to elaborate on that !

[brad_mccarty1967]

Well said Seniorman. I hope everyone wakes up before we have no rights at all. If you give them an inch, they will take a mile. It won't end high cap mags, that's just their first foothold.

[cwi555]

Would you car to elaborate on that !
It was meant tongue in cheek. However, the government would have us believe we are safer if we register/ban assault weapons, yet hands and feet have killed more people than shotguns and rifles combined in the same year (2011). Ergo, if it's logical to ban something because it killed someone, lets see em try to ban hands and feet.

[welderguy]

It was meant tongue in cheek. However, the government would have us believe we are safer if we register/ban assault weapons, yet hands and feet have killed more people than shotguns and rifles combined in the same year (2011). Ergo, if it's logical to ban something because it killed someone, lets see em try to ban hands and feet.

Ok, thought thats what you ment but wanted to ask, Thanks.

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