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Psalm25
01-12-2013, 01:26 PM
I have been reading a lot of posts lately regarding possible changes to gun laws in the US. For those who don't know, in Canada (for the most part) a gun owner has a lot of hoops to jump thru. If you want to use your high powered rifle outside of big game season or shoot some slug or ssg rounds out of your shotgun for example, you have to go to a gun range. And to go to the gun range you need to get a day permit to bring your gun from point "a" (your home) to point "b" (the range). Now not everyone follows this, but it is a big risk if you don't. To be able to buy, own, and use a handgun is to the point of hoops that it is not even worth the bother IMO. One of the reasons I bring all this up is I doubt the US gun regulations are far behind doing this... and I would not be surprised if not far down the road the right to bare arms is removed all together.
IMHO I think archery is something survival minded people and hunters should think about taking up. Anyone with practice can make a bow in less than a day that can take down large game and all the material to make the bow, string, and arrows are almost always at hand at any given time. With enough practice one can shoot a target within range as easy as one can with a rifle. If you learn how to make arrows you will never run out of ammo. In a wilderness survival situation if something happens to your gun it makes it harder to gather meat or defend yourself. But if you have a knife that is all you need to make an effective bow, string and arrows. There are almost no laws on archery, at least very few. And not many people would risk their life breaking into your home to steal your bows and arrows when they can make their own.
Anyway, I'm not going anti-gun here. I just think archery is a skill that everyone should think about learning.

kyratshooter
01-12-2013, 01:54 PM
It will only be a short time before we are also dealing with "bow control" and "knife control". That word CONTROL is the key. Complete and total control.

Perhaps Rick, with his newly replaced shoulder, will have some imput on this one. Some of us have health issues to deal with and a bow is not in the options list.

One might also check the success rate for bowhuntiers compared to the success rate of gun hunters.

There is a reason the Indians switched to the gun as soon as they could get a steady supply of powder and lead.

I have bows, and crossbows and enjoy using them, on occasion, when I feel like it. Not because I am forced too.

I do not know where you are in Canada, and your local laws may be different from the Canadians I talk too, but I know Canadians that carry their rifles in their cars/trucks daily.

Stiffy
01-12-2013, 02:10 PM
Speaking of archery . . . my first bow was fiberglass. My cousin had a 40 lb pull fiberglass bow. But that was back in the 60s. I wonder if any manufacturer still make a 40 lb (or greater) fiberglass bow.

My thinking is that it might be more durable than wood.

Psalm25
01-12-2013, 02:31 PM
It will only be a short time before we are also dealing with "bow control" and "knife control". That word CONTROL is the key. Complete and total control.

Perhaps Rick, with his newly replaced shoulder, will have some imput on this one. Some of us have health issues to deal with and a bow is not in the options list.

One might also check the success rate for bowhuntiers compared to the success rate of gun hunters.

There is a reason the Indians switched to the gun as soon as they could get a steady supply of powder and lead.

I have bows, and crossbows and enjoy using them, on occasion, when I feel like it. Not because I am forced too.

I do not know where you are in Canada, and your local laws may be different from the Canadians I talk too, but I know Canadians that carry their rifles in their cars/trucks daily.

I agree that people here carry their guns more often then not, but it is still not legal. If someone is pulled over at one of the many routine police checks and the gun of found then they could and most times do seize the gun and can then check the persons home for other guns, if they are not in a locked gun cabinet then that will add fuel to the fire. I had said Canada for the most part because there are area's up north that I know of that are so far off the grid that one can carry a gun for protection, but for the most part I have lived or worked in most of the Canadian provinces and the gun laws are more or less the same all around.
I do understand not everyone can use or draw a bow for reasons as health, but I am speaking for the most part, those who can use a bow. I know a gent who has no arms due to a farm accident, he can't use a gun or a bow... but for the most part most of us can. As I had said, I am not going anti-gun here... just saying don't be shocked if you see in your life time there will be no right to bare arms. And after that or even at that time if might affect bows and knives too... but for me personally that is when I get off the grid, and when I am off the grid... way way off the grid I don't want to have to rely a gun that will in time run out of bullets or break. I like knowing I can drop any animal put in front of me with a simple bow that can be made in no time. Yes, the natives did switch from bow to gun, but they had a choice. If the day comes that we don't have a choice to own or carry a gun then it is good to know who to use a bow (to make one and actually be able to hit your target) There is always the option of saying "oh well" and spend ones life living in a city never hunting again... but that's not my option. It is a wilderness survival forum, I would assume most people here plan on being in the wilderness from time to time, if they can't have a gun then learning archery and how to make your own weapons is a good alternative, and an awesome survival skill to know

kyratshooter
01-12-2013, 02:50 PM
Yes Psalm, knowing how to make our own weapons is a fine skill to master.

But if the fear of being caught with a weapon outweighs the fear of not having the proper weapon survival is a moot point.

Psalm25
01-12-2013, 03:14 PM
Yes Psalm, knowing how to make our own weapons is a fine skill to master.

But if the fear of being caught with a weapon outweighs the fear of not having the proper weapon survival is a moot point.

For myself, I look at it like this. First of all for me living in the city is not an option, never have and never will. So living off grid or in the country there is not much of a chance that someone is going to break into your house, mostly because people know country folks almost always own a gun and an angry dog. I'm not saying no one who lives in the country has their homes broken into, but it is a lot more rare then houses in towns and cities. So if it becomes illegal to keep firearms yet one still stashes a few or keeps one stashed in their home, the chance that they will be caught with that weapon is almost nil... as long as they know how to keep their mouth shut and are not taking it out shooting it for any public to hear. But, if someone breaks into your home and you grab that stashed weapon and shoot him, I imagine you would be up to your ears in trouble... for having a gun and also for using it. It will no longer be ok to have or use a gun in self defence. So the crime rate will go way up in the country because there will still be lots of guns, but only in the wrong hands. We can stash our gun or guns, but we still can't use them. All it would take is one person to hear the sound of the gun go off and they will squeal like a pig. Now a days there are people everywhere, to fire a shot and be sure the wrong person will not hear it is very hard to accomplish. Yes, homemade silencers are easy to make but again, is it going to be worth it? I imagine if there is an anti-gun law and someone is found holding arms it will be jail time. That is why I would rather be off grid. Besides, I personally enjoy being off grid. One can always return from time to time.

Psalm25
01-12-2013, 03:35 PM
Speaking of archery . . . my first bow was fiberglass. My cousin had a 40 lb pull fiberglass bow. But that was back in the 60s. I wonder if any manufacturer still make a 40 lb (or greater) fiberglass bow.

My thinking is that it might be more durable than wood.

I imagine you could find one @ #40. You can make your own, and there are plenty of bow makers out there who make and sell fiberglass bows. I have a #35 that my uncle had made, works good but I like wood bows much better. I don't use my fiberglass bow very often so I can't say if they are better or not, but I know you can get a lot more draw weight by using sinew than fiberglass

Psalm25
01-12-2013, 03:41 PM
I imagine you could find one @ #40. You can make your own, and there are plenty of bow makers out there who make and sell fiberglass bows. I have a #35 that my uncle had made, works good but I like wood bows much better. I don't use my fiberglass bow very often so I can't say if they are better or not, but I know you can get a lot more draw weight by using sinew than fiberglass

Had this in my file, kind of interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zyV8tZGJtE

tsitenha
01-13-2013, 01:35 AM
Psalm25, carrying a rifle or shotgun out of hunting season is not ILLEGAL, the only time an ATT (authority to transport) is for a "restricted firearm" and under certain circumstances "prohibited firearms and is registered to a specific person/club. Firearms law "gun control" is under federal jurisdiction. Is is applied throughout Canada. There are specific regulations as to where or when you can discharge a firearms depending on the county or time of day or year. A PAL is not difficult to get, take the course and pass the exam, go through a police check and off you go. A once in a lifetime occurance with new PAL's needed every 5 years just file the paperwork no charge. Just like your drivers license.
The registry for long guns is gone except in the province of "Quebec", pistols and other fierarms that fall in the restricted portion of the gun law are still in vigour.

Stiffy
01-13-2013, 10:24 AM
Had this in my file, kind of interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zyV8tZGJtE

Yeah, that was interesting. I'm not sure how durable a PVC bow would be, but it looks like it would be adequate for close range hunting.

kyratshooter
01-13-2013, 10:54 AM
Psalm25, carrying a rifle or shotgun out of hunting season is not ILLEGAL, the only time an ATT (authority to transport) is for a "restricted firearm" and under certain circumstances "prohibited firearms and is registered to a specific person/club. Firearms law "gun control" is under federal jurisdiction. Is is applied throughout Canada. There are specific regulations as to where or when you can discharge a firearms depending on the county or time of day or year. A PAL is not difficult to get, take the course and pass the exam, go through a police check and off you go. A once in a lifetime occurance with new PAL's needed every 5 years just file the paperwork no charge. Just like your drivers license.
The registry for long guns is gone except in the province of "Quebec", pistols and other fierarms that fall in the restricted portion of the gun law are still in vigour.

So based on this information all previous posts in the thread and planning based on them are moot.

This is the information I had gathered from my other Canadian friends.

My most concern is that the governments of so many nations have promoted the fear of prosecution above and beyond the will to live and/or acceptance of substandard conditions if one does live.

Old Professor
01-13-2013, 11:39 AM
The OP has a valid point, as to having an alternative to a firearm for survival but as has been pointed out, not all are physically able to shoot a bow or cock a crossbow. Before my rotator cuffs blew out, I had been a lifelong archer and archery hunter. As my shoulder issues developed, i lost that ability. I can cock a crossbow with a handcrank cocker but can nolonger raise it to my shoulder. I can lift a gun onto a rest and shoot it well enough to hunt deer but my wing shooting days are over. For home defense, I must either use a handgun or shoot a long gun from the waist (the trick is to put a laser on the long gun!)
I do not think firearms can be successfully baned in the United States! If the Government/Liberals try, i believe it will trigger a civil war!

Psalm25
01-13-2013, 01:48 PM
Psalm25, carrying a rifle or shotgun out of hunting season is not ILLEGAL, the only time an ATT (authority to transport) is for a "restricted firearm" and under certain circumstances "prohibited firearms and is registered to a specific person/club. Firearms law "gun control" is under federal jurisdiction. Is is applied throughout Canada. There are specific regulations as to where or when you can discharge a firearms depending on the county or time of day or year. A PAL is not difficult to get, take the course and pass the exam, go through a police check and off you go. A once in a lifetime occurance with new PAL's needed every 5 years just file the paperwork no charge. Just like your drivers license.
The registry for long guns is gone except in the province of "Quebec", pistols and other fierarms that fall in the restricted portion of the gun law are still in vigour.

Hey Tsitenha, As I can't say I know this is 100% correct across Canada you might very well be right. I have lived in quite a few Provinces for a short time due to work placement and have hunted in many other Provinces. It was almost always my understanding that I need to keep my firearms in a case or a trigger lock while transporting them, locked in a secure room or cabinet while not in use and to only be able to carry and fire them at a gun range outside of hunting season, for example if the only thing open to hunt is vamint then I can not be walking around with a 30.06. Now I know this does not apply for all of Canada as there are places up North I have been to that can only be accessed by a fly-in bush plane, but my understanding it does for the most part. Again, I could be wrong to think it is a Federal law and not Provincial. I have a buddy who knew someone who was pulled over and faced charges for not being on rute from the gun range, I asked him if he could send me the story that was in the paper, he sent me this from an internet search:

http://www.canlii.org/en/nb/nbpc/doc/2010/2010nbpc31/2010nbpc31.html

Now I know this is just for New Brunswick, I will have to look into the other provinces for my own curiosity as I often hunt out of Province, it is a good thing to know.
As far as the PAL, I do have my Possession and Aqcuasition licence. I use to have quite a gun collection but sold most of them when the long gun regerstry started. I figured gun theft would rise and as I was well known in many Provinces for buying and trading guns it was not worth it to me. That was around the time I took up archery.

Psalm25
01-13-2013, 02:00 PM
Yeah, that was interesting. I'm not sure how durable a PVC bow would be, but it looks like it would be adequate for close range hunting.

I agree, not something that would hold up as well as wood or fiberglass I doubt. But goes to show a bow (or just about any weapon) can be made out of anything laying around. Even as far as guns go, it is not that hard to make black powder or other combustibles for a propellant, but I still say a bow is simple and can be made from just about anything. In the wilderness propellant materials are not as easily made.

Psalm25
01-13-2013, 02:19 PM
The OP has a valid point, as to having an alternative to a firearm for survival but as has been pointed out, not all are physically able to shoot a bow or cock a crossbow. Before my rotator cuffs blew out, I had been a lifelong archer and archery hunter. As my shoulder issues developed, i lost that ability. I can cock a crossbow with a handcrank cocker but can nolonger raise it to my shoulder. I can lift a gun onto a rest and shoot it well enough to hunt deer but my wing shooting days are over. For home defense, I must either use a handgun or shoot a long gun from the waist (the trick is to put a laser on the long gun!)
I do not think firearms can be successfully baned in the United States! If the Government/Liberals try, i believe it will trigger a civil war!

Making a cross bow with a hand crank is as easy as making a bow itself, and I agree it is a good alternative to those who are not able to draw a bow. Home defense is much more easy with a gun, I agree. However a good dog will warn you there is someone on your property before the person can even reach your house.
As far as a civil war, I again agree it will not be easy if they try to ban guns. However, Government usually stops at nothing to get their own way.

finallyME
01-14-2013, 11:03 AM
Speaking of archery . . . my first bow was fiberglass. My cousin had a 40 lb pull fiberglass bow. But that was back in the 60s. I wonder if any manufacturer still make a 40 lb (or greater) fiberglass bow.

My thinking is that it might be more durable than wood.

Competition archery generally requires a recurve. Just watch the olympics. Anyways, go to an archery shop and you will find a bunch of high quality fiberglass bows with high draw weight. I also recently saw a 40lb fiberglass bow at Sportsman's Warehouse for $40 the other day.

Psalm25
01-14-2013, 01:04 PM
Speaking of archery . . . my first bow was fiberglass. My cousin had a 40 lb pull fiberglass bow. But that was back in the 60s. I wonder if any manufacturer still make a 40 lb (or greater) fiberglass bow.

My thinking is that it might be more durable than wood.


Competition archery generally requires a recurve. Just watch the olympics. Anyways, go to an archery shop and you will find a bunch of high quality fiberglass bows with high draw weight. I also recently saw a 40lb fiberglass bow at Sportsman's Warehouse for $40 the other day.

$40 for a fiberglass recurve?? Keep in mind you get what you pay for, usually the kiddy bows run about $40. If your going to buy a good recurve that is going to last your looking at a good $300 at least. (Don't know why one wouldn't make it themself for a quarter of the cost?) Here is a list of fiberglass bow prices from Cabala's:

http://www.cabelas.com/bows-recurve-longbows-2.shtml

Again you need to remember someone can make something that looks really nice, but looking nice and holding up are two different things. Another thing to keep in mind when buying a bow is what is the best type for you? Personally if I was going to spend money and buy one rather than make one I would buy a compound bow, it takes A LOT of practice to be able to aim with a sightless bow, but a compound is like shooting a gun, anyone can shoot it well because it has sights marked at different yards.

Another thing to remember when buying or making a bow is that just because a bow has a high draw weight does not mean it is stronger than a bow with less draw weight. picture a slingshot with a rubber band, the rubber band does not take much draw weight, but it snaps back into place so fast that it can send the projectile much faster than something used that might be much harder to pull back but does not snap back into its shape as fast. Sinew and the proper wood has ten times more elasticity than fiberglass, hence why sinew is much more popular for backing wood bows than fiberglass is. If you want a true kick-a$$ bow with incredible power and a very compact size you might want to invest in a horn bow... they can not be beat! But, they are very pricey and you won't likely find one in a store

http://www.salukibow.com/

Another worry I would have with fiberglass is could it stand up to wood in cold weather? I have never used my fiberglass bow in the cold but I would think it would get brittle and break. I have used my wood bows in the winter and never had an issue.

Anyway, just some food for thought but I would go with a compound bow if your not going to make your own. Whatever you do, don't cheep out... remember you always get what you pay for.

GreatUsername
01-14-2013, 02:08 PM
You can of course always put those same sights on a compound bow. Granted, compounds are still generally more accurate because it's easier to have a higher draw weight and more consistent arrow velocity due to the greater power and ease of finding the point of full draw, but a recurve does have the advantage of mechanical simplicity and being semi-adaptable in draw-length, so you and a friend with shorter arms can both use it. I still don't think of bows as being as accurate as rifles though. Give me a Remingtion 700 in .300 win mag and I can fairly well guarantee dead watermelons at 300 yards, in spite of various wind conditions and temperatures, but give me a bow in the same situation, and I'd be lucky to hit it once out of dozens. At short range maybe they are equal, but at long range no. Like it's been said before, look at the success rates of bowhunters...

That is all.

kyratshooter
01-14-2013, 02:13 PM
You guys really need to find the google button! Just a little bitty bit of research to replace the guesswork and assumptions would be worth a million. There are some really broad generalizations going on in this thread.

First of all, traditional materials like sinew backing are used primarily because that is what is demanded by the rules of cometition in most traditional/primitive archery competitions. It is definately not because sinew and hide glue are superior to modern materials.

Traditional and primitive archers do what they do out of love of the sport and for the challenge, much like we who shoot traditional black powder guns. We do it in spite of their limitations, not because they are superior.

As for fiberglass not working in the cold, you might want to check out Fred Bear's use, and many other people's uses, of fiberglass bows in taking polar bear. Modern composites and fiberglass are used all over the world and in every climate condition specifically because they are more stable than natural materials.. They also use fiberglass to make skis and sleds so that premise is out the window.

Ever built a crossbow Psalm? All the rules change with a crossbow. It is a whole different dynamic than a regular bow.

Cheap out? Does that mean that I should not buy a bow, that retailed for $300 in the 1970s, at a yard sale for $20? I have a nice Bear takedown bow that I acquired in just that way. Also have a Kodiac Magnum I bought for $15.

GreatUsername
01-14-2013, 02:39 PM
I second that point on the crossbow... to make one yourself is incredibly hard. Rather, to make a good one is incredibly hard, compared to a normal bow (which in itself is challenging). Good crossbows can't generally be made with wooden limbs, unless you make very long limbs, which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion. Metal limbs require a lot of expertise to make by oneself, and while fiberglass isn't impossible, it requires more experience than I'm willing to put in. Not to mention carbon-fiber limbs, trigger mechanisms, etc. And that's just to get it functioning. To make it function *well* you need to fix limb vibration, imbalances of limb strength, imperfections of the bolt-channel, and it's just a general headache. Not impossible, but not easy.

Psalm25
01-14-2013, 03:20 PM
You can of course always put those same sights on a compound bow. Granted, compounds are still generally more accurate because it's easier to have a higher draw weight and more consistent arrow velocity due to the greater power and ease of finding the point of full draw, but a recurve does have the advantage of mechanical simplicity and being semi-adaptable in draw-length, so you and a friend with shorter arms can both use it. I still don't think of bows as being as accurate as rifles though. Give me a Remingtion 700 in .300 win mag and I can fairly well guarantee dead watermelons at 300 yards, in spite of various wind conditions and temperatures, but give me a bow in the same situation, and I'd be lucky to hit it once out of dozens. At short range maybe they are equal, but at long range no. Like it's been said before, look at the success rates of bowhunters...

Can't argue with that... I would take a high powered rifle over a bow any day when it comes to distance, power and long shots. But I am speaking generally if there is no option of having a gun, or if you are in the wilderness for a long period of time and you want back up if something happens to your gun... but yes, a gun can't be beat as long as we are able to freely use them. But it is also a matter of preference... I personally find a bow more challenging. My 8 year old could shoot a bear at 200 yards with a 30.06 and a scope with ease, but to shoot and kill a bear with a handmade bow is another story. For me to hunt with a weapon that I made myself is more rewarding... but that is a personal choice and I don't expect everyone to feel that way.

That is all.


You guys really need to find the google button! Just a little bitty bit of research to replace the guesswork and assumptions would be worth a million. There are some really broad generalizations going on in this thread.

Why would I spend time googling something I really don't care about? Anytime I use the word "assume" it is because I don't really care what the answer is, if the person asking the question really wants to know they themselves will use the google button. When I said I assume fiberglass would become brittle in the cold I did not google it because I don't use fiberglass, so it is useless information to me. If you have a conversation with someone do you always run to google to find out an answer to someone's question or do you sometimes just simply have a conversation without pretending to know it all? I tend to enjoy simple conversation and if a question comes up that really matters to me, then I will check the answer.

First of all, traditional materials like sinew backing are used primarily because that is what is demanded by the rules of cometition in most traditional/primitive archery competitions. It is definately not because sinew and hide glue are superior to modern materials.

Traditional and primitive archers do what they do out of love of the sport and for the challenge, much like we who shoot traditional black powder guns. We do it in spite of their limitations, not because they are superior.

Well, I have made many of bows, fiberglass backing and sinew backing. I stopped making fiberglass backed bows because it does not shoot as fast as a sinew backed bow... simple as that and that comes from hands on experience, not a google search. I have been a long time member of the three largest bow making sites on the internet and for the most part most of the people on the sites who do this for a living told me sinew backing makes for a faster arrow than fiberglass. They told me there are two types of backing uses, backing is used to keep the wood grain from lifting.. if it lifts your bow will snap. Second, in few cases backing will help accelerate the arrow. Sinew is better as it accelerates the arrow faster than fiberglass. As far as hide glue, I never said there is not better glue out there. Many of the bow makers who back with sinew do not use hide glue. I use hide glue because it does not cost me anything and when I sell my bows I make total profit... I put no money at all into them. And, the hide glue does stand up to the test so I am not selling something that will break

As for fiberglass not working in the cold, you might want to check out Fred Bear's use, and many other people's uses, of fiberglass bows in taking polar bear. Modern composites and fiberglass are used all over the world and in every climate condition specifically because they are more stable than natural materials.. They also use fiberglass to make skis and sleds so that premise is out the window.

Very good point, as I said above I never took the time to look into it because I don't use fiberglass anymore... but still a very good point.


Ever built a crossbow Psalm? All the rules change with a crossbow. It is a whole different dynamic than a regular bow.

I have built a few crossbows with triggers, you can find out how in the paleoplanet forum or most of the other bow making forums

Cheap out? Does that mean that I should not buy a bow, that retailed for $300 in the 1970s, at a yard sale for $20? I have a nice Bear takedown bow that I acquired in just that way. Also have a Kodiac Magnum I bought for $15.

Most things loose their value over time, second hand is a good idea if you like using second hand stuff. Personally I don't. But again, that is a matter of preference. If everyone only bought used bows then the bow makes would not be selling new ones. I know quite a few bow makes who charge a minimum of $700 for one of their bows and up to over $3000. So some people do buy new... some people buy used. I think new is worth knowing your the only one who used it... but then again I wouldn't buy new or used... I would make my own.

Psalm25
01-14-2013, 03:37 PM
To add onto what I said above about buying used bows... I would not pass up a $15 or $20 bow ether now that I think about it. But those are rare prices to find. I have an old fishing rod I found, it is a bamboo flyrod and worth about $200-$300... I paid $15 if I remember correctly. But in all my years I have never seen a deal like that again. Not saying it is impossible to find but chances are slim. If someone wants something now they are better to just buy new. That way they know what they are getting and it has not been warn down from being used over time. But again I always say to each their own.

Psalm25
01-14-2013, 04:05 PM
You can of course always put those same sights on a compound bow. Granted, compounds are still generally more accurate because it's easier to have a higher draw weight and more consistent arrow velocity due to the greater power and ease of finding the point of full draw, but a recurve does have the advantage of mechanical simplicity and being semi-adaptable in draw-length, so you and a friend with shorter arms can both use it. I still don't think of bows as being as accurate as rifles though. Give me a Remingtion 700 in .300 win mag and I can fairly well guarantee dead watermelons at 300 yards, in spite of various wind conditions and temperatures, but give me a bow in the same situation, and I'd be lucky to hit it once out of dozens. At short range maybe they are equal, but at long range no. Like it's been said before, look at the success rates of bowhunters...

That is all.

How about a happy medium?

http://www.military.com/video/guns/shotguns/compound-bow-shotgun-hybrid/1665646519001/

:w00t:

finallyME
01-15-2013, 11:14 AM
My compound isn't very fancy. But I wouldn't shoot a homemade arrow out of it. Maybe I am just naive.

Psalm25
01-15-2013, 12:43 PM
My compound isn't very fancy. But I wouldn't shoot a homemade arrow out of it. Maybe I am just naive.

I wouldn't ether. Never tried, but not a good idea. Wooden arrows and compound bows do not mix.

old2531
02-24-2013, 09:10 PM
i agree if the govt starts a gun grab it will start a civil war as to the pvc bow check out" the backyard bowyer" on youtude hes made many styles and strengths of bows ,our country has aprox 270 milliom people i figure 80 milion are exmilitary

scumbucket
03-01-2013, 03:52 AM
I've hunted both ways, I have a bow, a compound, and enjoy it, but I would love to get a nice wood recurve boy, as I love wood and wood working. A bow can be an asset in a survival situation if one likes that sort of thing. I like the quiet part of shooting a bow as no one knows you're there.

ubercrow
03-01-2013, 01:13 PM
IMHO I think archery is something survival minded people and hunters should think about taking up. Anyone with practice can make a bow in less than a day that can take down large game and all the material to make the bow, string, and arrows are almost always at hand at any given time. With enough practice one can shoot a target within range as easy as one can with a rifle. If you learn how to make arrows you will never run out of ammo. In a wilderness survival situation if something happens to your gun it makes it harder to gather meat or defend yourself. But if you have a knife that is all you need to make an effective bow, string and arrows.

I love archery.. I have been shooting bows for almost 20years, but bows have very extreme limitation in hunting compared to guns.

With a compound bow 35yards is my limit I will shoot at a deer, with a decent rifle it could be up to 200yards. A recurve bow? 25 yards or so, It is hard getting 25 yard close to a wild elk or deer probably 10times harder then getting 100yds.

To make a bow that shoots more then a few yards and could possibly kill a decent sized animal takes some skill, resources and time. Most ethical people will not try to kill an animal with a bow that shoots less the 40lbs.
-First you have to find wood that will withstand the flex and weight and it also has to be cured right which mean months or years.
-To make arrows requires wood that is straight the slightest curve and you arrow is all over the place.
-I believe strings used to be made from sinew which I imagine is a process and requires a animal carcass.

For most people(the very few that accomplish it) to make a bow and kill and animal with it is a lifetime achievement. Probably thousands of hours of work.

Not to talk down the bow.. I love them and think everyone should consider them, but as far as survival I don't think it is a realistic plain to in any way rely on making a bow in the forest and obtaining food with it in a jam.
Now getting a well made bow and obtaining 100 arrows could feed a hunter for a long time in the right place.

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