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kyratshooter
01-09-2013, 05:31 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-obama-might-use-executive-order-deal-guns_694984.html

Anyone surprised? They have not even met with the pro-gun faction yet.

Can we say Stalin, Hitler.

Is the American public going to accept this?

crashdive123
01-09-2013, 05:52 PM
Can't see how this won't turn political, but for now I'll leave it up.

BENESSE
01-09-2013, 06:00 PM
I think it's just rhetoric from Biden who has been known to speak out of turn and say stupid things.
Ultimately, they can't afford to deal with the $hitstorm that is bound to hit them if they're dumb enough to act on it.

crashdive123
01-09-2013, 06:01 PM
I hope you are right B.

BENESSE
01-09-2013, 06:45 PM
"In the wake of Biden's warning, however, gun rights activists still have reason to breathe easy there's scant action available to the Obama administration without Congress."

"Executive orders would only allow Obama to make changes to federal mental health programs and to modernize gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
He might also be able to push through initiatives to track the mental illness histories of gun-owners and to implement more information-sharing between and state and local law enforcement agencies.
On Thursday, Biden meets with representatives of the powerful National Rifle Association, the country's biggest gun rights lobby.
The NRA's deep pockets have long served to persuade members of Congress to oppose gun control bills."



http://news.yahoo.com/obama-could-turn-executive-action-gun-control-no-214312443.html

2dumb2kwit
01-09-2013, 07:16 PM
I wonder how many people who were on the "save the children, by grabbing guns" bandwagon, will throw an absolute fit if the first law addressing this takes away rights from mental health patients, rather than legal gun owners.

letslearntogether47
01-09-2013, 07:54 PM
Sadly,I see my country is going to the dumper.

Geek
01-09-2013, 07:56 PM
I figure the harder they push, the stronger the pushback. The next election should draw a lot of people who have been complacent.

Seniorman
01-09-2013, 08:40 PM
" ... Anyone surprised? Can we say Stalin, Hitler.

Yes, but don't forget the other Great Heroes of the Left, Mao, Castro, Che, Kim Jong Il, Chavez, and their ilk. Peas in a pod.

S.M.

natertot
01-09-2013, 08:59 PM
I agree with ms. B. Biden got foot in mouth desease. Let Obama do something stupid enough and chaos my follow.

Bearskin Grills
01-09-2013, 09:38 PM
can you imagine creating a national database of mentally handicapped individuals? OMG imagine the outrage. when you think about it, why are they proposing the gun dealers are the gate keeper to determine who is mentally stable enough to purchase a gun?

natertot
01-09-2013, 10:12 PM
If the mentally ill were in institutions, we wouldn't have to worry about databases........or dealers trying to figure it out.

Sometimes the solution is not so difficult, it is just convincing those that actually make the decisions that is difficult.

jfeatherjohn
01-09-2013, 10:20 PM
It seems like, if mentally ill folks who misbehaved were properly adjudicated, then ewe wouldn't need a "mentally ill" list. Of course, that would require States to change some of their laws/practices. But still, one background check would be quite sufficient, then.
As to the other mentally ill people, just like the "sane", they are law-abiding citizens.
Some very rough waters, here, and nothing that I have seen, so far, gives me any hope that this will be a benefit to anyone.
Just another endless argument, some compromise of no value, and everyone goes away thinking that they are happy...which was not the point in the first place.

Delta 5168
01-09-2013, 10:39 PM
In North Carolina, you automatically get a mental background check along with the criminal background check when applying for a concealed carry permit. Do other states do the same? I've had my cc permit so long, I don't actually know what kind of background check they do now for just buying a weapon. We have to undergo both the background checks everytime we renew a cc permit.

Sarge47
01-09-2013, 10:46 PM
I wonder if Obama would pass? Just thinkin' out loud. :2:

Winter
01-09-2013, 11:43 PM
Blah blah blah.

Let me get this straight, somebody shoots p a grade school with 2 handguns so semi auto rifles need to be banned?

I hope someone doesn't kill a bunch of people with a cordless drill, they might ban routers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooa98FHuaU0

All smoke and mirrors to pacify the stupid.

edr730
01-10-2013, 12:07 AM
This is not an Exectitive order the president is proposing, it is an Exectutive action. New presidential powers let him skip congress "with the force of law".

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/10/28/8528035-just-what-is-an-executive-action?lite

Winter
01-10-2013, 12:23 AM
It's poop.

edr730
01-10-2013, 12:24 AM
I guess we'll wait and see what it really means.

Winter
01-10-2013, 12:27 AM
It means that 2014 elections will be one sided on the progun side, just like 1996. I think it's a good thing.

The antigun majority are just ignorant of crime and the weapons used. " why does someone need to own an AK 47?"

An executive order can be gotten rid of by the next CIC.

edr730
01-10-2013, 01:30 AM
Yes, I think you may be right unless this passes:

H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby ...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/text

Which it never would pass unless quite a big event happened. It will amount to nothing. I just hate to see that there is anyone out there introducing such things.
The voice of the people means quite a bit yet. There aren't enough jail cells if too many are criminalized for having guns. Too many people would protest if their friends and relatives were in jail.

SARKY
01-10-2013, 01:52 AM
Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.

Winter
01-10-2013, 02:08 AM
Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.

Have they?

I am in cahoots with many vets from many eras.

The gov is not doing this and if they do, that's the final straw for many of us. I just hope the first victim of tyranny plays it well enough fpr the media not to twist it too hard.

BENESSE
01-10-2013, 08:58 AM
Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.

I know it's a slippery slope and I have no good answers.
As with anything that can turn deadly, people have a compulsion to want to prevent it and it usually goes overboard.

Dennis
01-10-2013, 09:35 AM
I believe what ever they do will be unconstitutional.

Geek
01-10-2013, 09:39 AM
I have heard a minimal amount about the VA asking about mental health and guns. I have no direct knowledge of any of this, but I think any real abuse would be cause for young people to eliminate military service from their options. That would be a catastrophe for the country and the world.

Can anyone provide more information on what is actually happening?

BENESSE
01-10-2013, 09:45 AM
I have heard a minimal amount about the VA asking about mental health and guns. I have no direct knowledge of any of this, but I think any real abuse would be cause for young people to eliminate military service from their options. That would be a catastrophe for the country and the world.

Can anyone provide more information on what is actually happening?

Why do you think?

Geek
01-10-2013, 09:51 AM
Why do you think?

Why would an 18 year old want to risk getting labeled as a mental case, ruining his job prospects and gun ownership rights for the rest of his life? Military service is a sacrifice without that added burden. I want our veterans armed, not labeled as mental health risks.

BENESSE
01-10-2013, 10:17 AM
Why would an 18 year old want to risk getting labeled as a mental case, ruining his job prospects and gun ownership rights for the rest of his life? Military service is a sacrifice without that added burden. I want our veterans armed, not labeled as mental health risks.

I didn't get an impression that every vet was labeled a mental case by default.
But serious mental impairments do exist in the general population of which vets are part.
As a vet you shouldn't be targeted nor exempt from background checks. We all have the same rights.

Wildthang
01-10-2013, 10:35 AM
This whole thing just sucks, that's all I got right now!

crashdive123
01-10-2013, 02:32 PM
My understanding is that currently the VA can declare a patient mentally incompetent where as other medical treatment facilities have to go through the courts to have that done. IIRC Senator Coburn tried to codify that into another bill (requiring a court proceeding) and it met stiff resistance.

Seniorman
01-10-2013, 03:03 PM
Lenin and Stalin, et al, had a quick solution for the "mental health" problem in their country. Anyone deemed "mentally defective" by the State, was sent to the gulags in Siberia, where "Work makes you sane," or a bullet in the back of the head.

The State's diagnosis of "mentally defective" was applied to anyone who was considered "counter revolutionary." There were a hundred different definitions of "counter revolutionary," which were also called "politically incorrect statements, actions, and thoughts." Anyone who even mentioned some disagreement with the State's policies and dictates was "politically incorrect" which meant that person was just naturally "crazy as a crap house mouse," so off to the gulag he or she would go, or "to the wall." Informants were everywhere, from little children to old men and women. They would "denounce" the politically incorrect to the Government.

Now suppose -- just supposin' -- here in the U.S., to combat "mental health problems related to firearms," the Ruler declares that any citizen who owns a firearm, or who disagrees with the policies of the Ruler, is "mentally defective" and must be "cured" by the magnanimous State.

Farfetched?? Wild scenario?? I am reminded of a statement made years ago by a very well to do German woman after WW II. (Paraphrasing.) She was asked, "How in the world could this monster, Hitler, have come to power and do what he did?"

She answered, "We never thought it could happen. Not in the land of Beethoven."

Today, here, we scoff and say, "Not in the Land of Jefferson."

So boys and girls, be careful about how our Ruler and his toadies determine who is "mentally defective." For many years, the Far Left in D.C. and State governments, the media, academia, Hollywood, even some church organizations, with their incessant brainwashing have vomited the idea that gun owners are quite possibly "mentally defective" must be feared and must be "controlled" and disarmed.

For more than 50 years, U.S. gunowners have been vilified, denigrated, disparaged, laughed at, and turned into "vermin." The exact same thing that was done by Hitler and Goebbels to the Jews, and what Lenin/Stalin and Willi Munzenberg (Propaganda Meister of Stalin's Proletkult) did to all politically incorrect, "insane dissidents."

Nah, can't happen here. "Not in the Land of Jeffereson."

Just something to consider.

S.M.

BENESSE
01-10-2013, 03:14 PM
Actually we're quite different here. We prefer to make celebrities out of our crazy people. Do you not watch TV.

crashdive123
01-10-2013, 03:53 PM
Wait. That can't be right. I've never been on TV.:whistling:

Geek
01-10-2013, 03:54 PM
Does anyone know how widespread the problem is for veterans today? I feel our veterans deserve all the protections the civilian population has at a minmum.

crashdive123
01-10-2013, 03:59 PM
Not sure how widespread the problem is, but remember very well about a story of one veteran that reported to his VA doc that he had trouble sleeping following his return from Iraq. He was prescribed medications and IIRC ended up on a no fly list because of it. He had never harmed anybody following his return. He had no desire to harm himself or others. The VA is not an efficient bureaucracy.

crashdive123
01-10-2013, 04:09 PM
Here's one article discussing it. http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/18/senators-va-has-denied-gun-rights-to-more-than-100000-veterans/

crashdive123
01-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Furthermore - if a veteran is placed on the NICS list and don't know it - then go to purchase a firearm at a gun shop - fill out the required paperwork, answering no to ever having been adjudicated mentally ill - they stand to be charged with a felony of falsifying the paperwork to buy a firearm. If they have to defend that in court they will probably win, but at what expense?

Here's some more info on recent attempts to stop the VA from doing this and the efforts of those that oppose putting a stop to the practice. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-new-defense-bill-may-give-veterans-affairs-right-to-deny-vets-gun-ownership-2012-12

Seniorman
01-10-2013, 06:17 PM
" ... We prefer to make celebrities out of our crazy people. Do you not watch TV.

True. Reminds me somewhat of the great novel by Joseph Heller, "Catch 22." A different time and setting, but still applicable today. The crazier you are perceived to be, the more attention you get and the less responsibility you are required to accept.

If you act crazy enough today, you too, might just get to be a celebrity!

As for watching teeeveee, well, not so much anymore. Having over the years written quite a few scripts for primetime network shows, plus a popular syndicated show, plus a feature, I've grown kinda weary of watching them.

When people ask me, "Don't you watch your own shows?"

I reply, "No, why should I? I already know the ending." :nod: Just as I can fairly easily guess the ending of most dramatic teeeveee shows.

Back to the mental health issue and "firearms," today, it is not at all unusual to hear various and sundry anti-guns people throughout all media, academia, etc., to describe honest gunowners as "morons," "idiots," or just plain "crazy," and a danger to the State. The brainwashing propaganda is continuous and systematic.

The constant demonization of a large segment of U.S. citizens, gunowners, as "dangerous, mentally deficient vermin" has been going on incessantly for at least 50 years. I'm old enough to have seen it begin. In late November of 1963, the propaganda onslaught commenced. It was afterall, the fault of honest gunowners that Oswald shot and killed Pres. J.F. Kennedy. Wasn't it?? If Big Brother had not allowed people to own guns, Oswald could not have murdered JFK, right? Stands to reason ... to the anti-guns crowd.

And they have never let up.

As I said in my previous post, "Just supposin' ...?"

S.M.

Moonviper
01-10-2013, 07:15 PM
First of all, any of you that say, No way, this cant or wont happen get ahold of reality. They force you to pay them to work, you have to pay them to live on a peice of land, own a pet, drive a vehicle,eat,get sick and even when you die they take a big giant chunk. I could keep listing all the total bull they do to take your and my libertys, but whats the point. Tehy have taken our school system, you cant go to college unless they give you money, they own most of the auto industry, they bail out the crooked bankers with our worthless money. Now thats just a very small and very few items listed. Most of these things they do on a daily basis. Whats it got to do with gun control you ask? Well if we've let them take everything we have and dont even bat an eye, whats one more thing? they'll say its only a few guns a certain items, mags, ammo and such, guess we have to take it. Well folks when the last gun ban lifted alot of guns and ammo and mags and such where never allowed to continue to be made and/or be imported. At the speed thier going, they will NOT stop this time. But since most of Americans walk around holding thier ankles, and baaing like sheep, they never fill razor sharp knife untill its way to late.

BENESSE
01-10-2013, 07:29 PM
...you cant go to college unless they give you money, ....

Say what?
How 'bout you work and pay for it yourself or, even better, study your beehind off and get an academic scholarship?
Just a suggestion.

LowKey
01-10-2013, 10:27 PM
Have you looked at college tuition lately? Even working your way, you can't pay a 30k per year tuition without a college loan. And that's median.

The radio news after todays meeting with pro-gunownership groups is that it was more about "villifying the 2nd amendment" than listening to views.
I think the horse has the bit in his teeth and is gonna run this for all its worth.

I would just like to know exactly when I, or my friends, became the criminals here.
Because not one thing these supposedly anti-gun-violence people is proposing is going to do one damn thing about the true crime out there. But they are so violently anti-NRA they can't even begin to see that for themselves.

The NRA has 4 million members. Supposedly there are 40 million legally-licensed, law-abiding firearms owners in the US. You have to wonder why only 10% belong to the NRA. Yet the regular population envisions ALL gun owners as the stereotypical NRA 'gun nut'. Quite honestly, it's a stereotype that the NRA itself has fostered, especially through their written publications and mailings. I don't like the incendiary language they use and have always believed you can fight for 2nd amendment rights without being quite so over-the-top about it. If you have to work that hard to stir up the 4 million members you have, maybe you need to look at what you've done wrong to alienate the other 90% of gun owners out there. And maybe that's part of the answer to this whole mess.

Both sides need to step back, cool down, take off the blinders, look around, and think a little more carefully.
I know they don't want to do that as everyone is riding on the pressure of the moment, but everyone is running around screaming, hands in the air, lots of smoke and flames, and no one is even looking for the firehose.

<BTW, yes I'm a member of the NRA. They get my money. I get to participate in their sanctioned marksmanship matches. Although if they call my home phone one more time after 8pm looking for donations, I may not renew again.>

natertot
01-10-2013, 10:45 PM
I agree with you LowKey. I too am a member, but they are pushy. Calls after 8pm, mailings out the wazoo, and don't mention the amount of e-mails.

I had hoped at the meeting today, both sides could have talked better. Oneside always jacks it up though and both side are notorious for doing it.

BENESSE
01-10-2013, 10:50 PM
I am a member too...but they need to get better representatives in front of the public. More articulate with a longer fuse.

edr730
01-10-2013, 11:27 PM
I don't think anyone will deny that the NRA asks for a lot. I don't think anyone denys that they do a lot. It's really just a matter of if you think your donations will support the cause for which you believe in....or if your money would better be spent on another cause that you believe in that is more important to you. Or perhaps you believe your money has no effect. I think it's pretty simple, "put your money where your mouth is".

Geek
01-11-2013, 12:02 AM
If you want them to not call ask them to put you on their "Do Not Call List".

crashdive123
01-11-2013, 06:11 AM
I do not get phone calls from the NRA after politely asking to not be called. I do get their mailings and don't mind them a bit.

Seniorman
01-11-2013, 06:35 PM
For those who believe the NRA is too "pushy," and "over-the-top" and "inflamatory" in its statements revealing what the Far Left is trying to do to destroy our Rights regarding firearms, you should understand the fact that were it not for the National Rifle Association's many, many years fight against the Second Amendment hating politicians in D.C., and many States ... you, I, we, all of us, would not LEGALLY own a firearm today.

As for asking for money, it takes a tremendous amount of money for lobbying and fighting the incessant Marxist Socialist Fascist inspired legislation that is constantly introduced to ban and confiscate our firearms. Afterall, the political gun confiscators are heavily endowed with donations of millions upon millions of $$$$$$ from some of the richest men and women in the world. (Anyone here ever heard of George Soros, one of the richest men known today?) Yes, it takes a lot of money for the NRA to combat that unending flood of money from the astronomically wealthy do-right-daddies-and-mommas, whose goal is to "disarm America's citizens."

This fight has been going on for far, far longer than many here are aware. It did not just start after JFK was murdered, even though that was the impetus for the full court onslaught. President Franklin D. Roosevelt tried to get all guns banned. He did not succeed with his plan, but he did get the 1934 Gun Control Act passed. Over the years, bit by bit, more regulations were added. In 1968, Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson tried to get a full gun ban passed. He did not succeed ... but he got the 1968 Gun Control Act passed... and more regulatons have attached. And it goes on and on and on.

Note the compromises made by gunowners. We gave, the Left took, and gave up nothing. That is their SOP today.

It seems to some here that when the NRA warns its members as to the laws and plans being proposed by the Far Left, by exposing the details of said plans, it is deemed "inflamatory" and "over the top." Huh uh. The NRA is merely making public information that the Far Left does not want known.

If the NRA has a bad image as some here claim, it is because the media, academia, etc., have for many, many years, demonized the NRA, its members, and gun owners in general with incessant extremely biased diatribes. Their gigantic propaganda machine has turned us and the NRA into "filthy vermin" just as Hitler and Goebbels demonized the Jews until most Germans thought of Jews as "filthy vermin," who should be "dealt with."

When I lived in Los Angeles, I once had a guy I knew, a professional screenwriter, tell me that "The only good NRA member is a dead NRA member." Another said he hated, loathed and despised guns and he thought they all should be banned and confiscated ... by any means necessary. We're hearing the same talk today from our illustrious rulers in D.C.

This is what the NRA has to combat. I say again, the only reason we own firearms legally today is because of the NRA. Like the organization or not, the NRA is the only barrier we have against the total disarming of us... and the destruction of the U.S. Constitution.

I've been in this "gun fight" for a long, long time. I know whereof I speak (or type). This fight will continue long after I'm dead, you're dead, and your children (hopefully) have picked up the gauntlet.

What will be the eventual outcome? I don't know.

One thing of which I am 100% positive, however, is this. Never forget, these Far Left wannabee tyrants never, ever, disengage.

S.M. (NRA Life member)

LowKey
01-11-2013, 08:26 PM
My point though, is there is something about the NRA that is turning off the majority of gun owners. You'd think it would be that much easier to fight all those good fights if they could figure out what that is thing is. The more members the merrier.

I get their mailings. Have you ever really read that stuff. For instance several months ago they sent out letters that you were supposed to send to your congressman. Basically all it was was a mail bomb. The stuff they actually wrote in the letter was written with the intent to get the members pumped up enough to send it, not to really have any effect on the congressmen except for stuffing their mailbox which may have been the actual intent. The psychological impact scale on some of their material surely will turn off an anti-gunner immediately. It's barely palatable to me and I'm as pro-ownership as you can get. Like I said, I'm a member. I'm also a member of my state organization for even more immediate reasons. I don't cut off the nose to spite my face. There is a very thin, almost microscopic red line between having this right and not.

I write to my congressmen (not that it matters much here, but if you don't, you can't complain). We also have some real issues percolating at a state level that at least my local rep is smart enough to understand. And he fights because that is one of the reasons he got elected.
I even sent a real letter to Vice President Biden earlier this week.
Here's his contact info:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact-vp
Do the same.

Seniorman
01-11-2013, 09:05 PM
Low Key, I certainly agree with much of your post and concerns. I have read the "Send to your Legislator" form letters and I never, ever use one. I write my own letters and have done so since I began fighting this battle many, many years ago.

But .... there are many gun owners, and NRA members included, who won't take the time and trouble to compose a short, polite letter to their representatives. Therefore, the form letter. It ain't perfect, but it's all some people will do to help.

I'm glad you're active in your State organization, plus the NRA, and you can be commended for it. Too many gun owners don't give a damn about protecting their/our Rights. I am a Life Member of the Calif. Rifle & Pistol Association, the Calif. Wildlife Federation, and the Idaho Rifle and Pistol Assoc. I can't even imagine the amount of money, plus time, I've donated over the years. Not bragging: others I know have done much, much more than I.

Hang in there. I have a good friend, a writer, who was a "real deal" U.S. Navy SEAL, Vietnam service. Once he and I were talking about training and getting through BUD/S training. He told me, "I was not the fastest in my class, nor the strongest, but I'd made up my mind that they could kill me but they could never make me quit. That's how I got through it."

I feel the same on this issue. We can never quit the fight no matter what they throw at us. They never, ever disengage. We must never quit fighting them tooth and nail. Our Freedom is at stake. (And that's no exaggeration.)

Best regards.

S.M.

Rick
01-12-2013, 11:44 AM
Back on the Executive Action. There are four ways to nullify an Executive (call it what you want). Congress can override with a simple 2/3 majority. They can refuse to fund it, it can be challenged through the courts or a combination thereof (refuse to fund and challenge through courts for example). The Constitution is a remarkable document and goes to great lengths to ensure no tyrant runs the country. It doesn't protect us from idiots being in office unfortunately.

BENESSE
01-12-2013, 02:29 PM
Back on the Executive Action. There are four ways to nullify an Executive (call it what you want). Congress can override with a simple 2/3 majority. They can refuse to fund it, it can be challenged through the courts or a combination thereof (refuse to fund and challenge through courts for example). The Constitution is a remarkable document and goes to great lengths to ensure no tyrant runs the country. It doesn't protect us from idiots being in office unfortunately.

...nor from our own stupidity from voting them in or letting others do it foe us.

LowKey
01-13-2013, 03:39 PM
Rick, but in order for the EO to be countermanded, doesn't someone have to start the proceedings? Right now it seems everyone who could be on the side of lawful gun owners is hiding under their desk in Washington. I don't think they're voices are being drowned out. I don't think anyone is stepping up.

Bearskin Grills
01-13-2013, 05:15 PM
one thing the anti gun movement has is a central point of focus. like much of the liberal movement, they are organized, focused and vocal. they do an amazing job of fundraising through groups like moveon and have a huge following. they work together and push a liberal agenda. this is one thing the conservative movement really lacks, sadly. there are alot of voices but they tend to be scattered among a wide array of groups. Like the NRA or not, they are probably the best place to focus energies to consolidate the pro 2nd amendment voice. I'm a member for that reason. they have a strong voice in washington and that is exactly what we need. Don't be afraid to voice yor likes and dislikes to the NRA. Sure they ask a lot, but what you give is your choice. believe me though, washington is looking hard at their membership numbers.

Groups like moveon focus on a comprehensive liberal agenda, not just anti gun rights. they cover it all, abortion, religion, gay rights, labor and unions, womens rights, taxing the rich, putting pressure on banks and corproations. pretty much any thing that seems anti conservative. So they reach and appeal to a huge audiance. They hit everyone with any liberal values on some level and that becomes a voice they have, a name on one of their petitions . they send out a pettition and they get millions of signatures fast. Right now, this is what we need the NRA to do. Remind them to reach out to other conservative groups, to other pro gun organizations and consolidate efforts. Be a part of their efforts and make sure your voice is heard. We need to be the squeakiest wheel in the bunch. We need to be heard. ask the NRA to keep you informed on who the congressmen are who are pro gun and who are anti. and use your power of vote. Because the anti gun group has shown us clearly what they will do. They will take away our rights if we allow them to continue in office. if a congressman hears from enough people that they will lose votes for their participation in anti gun legislation, they will think twice about it. their goal is to get reelected.

We all knew going into the 2012 elections that if the democrats retained power, a gun right struggle was going to be on the horizon. Like romney or not, he was pro gun. Obama did a great job as painting romney as a 1%er who was going to pass legislation that aided his rich buddies and outsource jobs. facts are, Romney and bain created far more jobs then they ever destroyed. They turned companies who were on the verge of going under to leaders in their industries. Staples, Dominos pizza and many others. sure there were companies they sold off and people lost their jobs. but those companies were done anyway. But the point is we let a failed administrator lie his way into office for a second term because conservative couldn't galvanoze behind their candidate like the democrats did. and right now, we need to galvanize behind the NRA.

Geek
01-13-2013, 05:18 PM
It seems to me that going the Executive Order route leaves our Executive with several unpalatable choices. He can do something extremely limited, which therefore has no practical effect, giving at best the appearance of doing something, minimizing the number of people annoyed into voting for the opposition in the next election, OR he can attempt to do something more sweeping, creating a stronger backlash, but still having virtually no impact on the guns currently in circulation, OR he can pass, ticking off his own base of anti-gun ideologues.

No matter what he does, it gets followed by another high profile shooting, which puts him back in the soup for not having done enough. Meanwhile, people keep joining the NRA.

If I were the President, I'd prefer this whole issue just went away, so I could focus on something that I could actually do something useful about. I'd much prefer the whole EO subject had not been brought up so I could just blame Congress for not doing anything.

My apologies if that sounds too political.

crashdive123
01-13-2013, 07:22 PM
Let's stay away from political commentary please.

Phaedrus
01-17-2013, 05:04 AM
Well, not to say this was a tempest in a teakettle but the EOs turned out to be pretty much nothing. The president has seen which way the wind is blowing, I believe, and just going thru the motions to appeal to the more liberal parts of his base. The actual orders basically don't amount to anything. The Senate might gin up enough support for a watered down AWB/mag cap limit but if so it will die in the house. Soon we can all go back to arguing about the fiscal cliff or what the Kardashians are up to. Obviously we always have to be on guard but it looks like the emotion is dying down, and the two week national attention span has flitted elsewhere.

crashdive123
01-17-2013, 06:55 AM
I would hardly call them nothing. While some are quite ridiculous - stating that the president will order one of the departments under his control to do something that all he had to do was pick up the phone and do ---- others are QUITE troubling. The CDC by law cannot do the studies he has ordered. Also - the reporting that he has ordered the medical community to perform - while in theory sounds good - but leaves questions regarding current laws, and IMO opens the professionals up to a lot of legal exposure if they do not report and legal exposure if they report and it turns out to be nothing.

Old GI
01-17-2013, 10:18 AM
Another big concern is the "Universal Background Checks" for all firearm transactions, personal sale, trade or gifts.

I am not sure that each check will include the firearm data and, hence, gun registration for all. Also, a fee is charged for these checks; look to exhorbitant fees to discourage legal activity.

There a many other concerns as well.

kyratshooter
01-17-2013, 11:43 AM
I have been busy this morning.

Apparently the e-mail and phone service in our national capitol is overloaded this morning.

As it should be.

We need to quit whinning at each other and get some communication going to our represenatives. Even if they are not gun supporters they need to know where their voting district stnads on these issues.

The GCA of 1994 (Brady Bill/assualt weapons ban) was the primary legislation that resulted in the overthrow of both House and Senate. They need to be reminded.

(see how I did not use a single political term in there. Is sorry SOBs allowable?)

Pale E O
01-17-2013, 12:14 PM
This is definitely political and doesn't belong here. Still, I was glad to read the comments.

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