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BraggSurvivor
03-14-2008, 12:05 PM
A few people on the forum has PM'd me and asked my reason for buying precious metals. For the past 20 or so years, Ive invested in physical gold and silver. Here is my take on silver:

Silver has all the same monetary properties of gold, and more.

The historic price ratio of silver to gold shows that about 10 ounce of silver would buy one ounce of gold, a 10:1 ratio. Recently, the ratio is about a 50:1 ratio (with silver at $20/oz., and gold at $1000/oz.) As the silver to gold ratio returns to historic values, from 50:1 to 10:1, you may make over 5 times more money investing in silver, than gold.

Silver prices may rise to exceed the 10:1 ratio, for the following reasons:

More than all of the silver produced by the mines each year is consumed by industry, which leaves little to no room for substantial investment demand. The tiniest bit of investment demand will drive prices sky high.
Further, higher silver prices may not cause substantially increased mine supply. Why not? Because most silver is produced as a by-product of mining gold, copper, zinc, or lead. Thus, higher silver prices will not substantially increase the amount of silver mined each year. Here's a little known fact: In 1980, when silver prices went up to $50/oz., less silver was mined than in 1979.
What's more, higher silver prices may not cause reduced demand. Why not? Because most silver consumed by industry is used in such tiny quantities in each application, such as in film or electrical contacts, that rising silver prices will not easily slow down the growing industrial demand.
Additionally, as paper money continues to fail, people will buy silver and gold without regard to price, or they will buy simply because prices are going up! Because most investors today are momentum investors!
Each year, silver mines produce about 650 million ounces of silver, about 200 million ounces come from scrap recycling, and about 100 million ounces used to come from investor selling, or government selling. That's a total of about 1000 million ounces. Of that, about 42% is consumed by industrial use, about 28% consumed by jewelry, 20% consumed by photography, 5% consumed in coins and medallions, and that's 95% of total available silver each year! This implies either a "surplus", or "investment demand", of about 5% of the total. Investment demand remains small, but is growing!

Due to silver use, or consumption, since the 1950's, silver may now be more rare than gold, in above ground, refined, deliverable, forms. It is estimated that there are about 200-300 million ounces of refined, above ground silver available to the market at the present time. There are about 125 million ounces of silver at the NYMEX, the big commodity exchange in New York.

Each silver contract at the NYMEX is a promise. There are too many contracts, too many promises to deliver silver that may not exist. Each contract is for 5000 ounces. There are often over 175,000 contracts for 5000 ounces, that's a total of 437 million ounces of silver, promised to be delivered. Yet the exchange has only about a third of that in real silver. How can they promise to deliver more silver than exists? If they fail to deliver silver, according to the promises and contracts that they have made, then confidence in the world's entire financial system may collapse. Industrial users of silver may have to shut down their factories. To prevent this, the users will bid silver prices much higher.

Due to the risk of default in the silver futures contracts, I suggest that you avoid buying futures contracts, avoid options, and avoid storing your silver with anyone else! Take delivery of your silver, and put your silver in your own safe!

Despite silver's intrinsic properties as money, silver began to lose its status as money starting in the late 1800's, as nations stopped using silver, and started using only gold as money. Over 100 years of this "demonetization" has caused a serious drop in silver's value, and this trend is about to be reversed as investors learn about silver's intrinsic properties (and market fundamentals) again.

In the end, as paper money fails completely, the neglect of silver's use as money will be over. Once again, silver will be valued based on other measures of value, such as a day's wage, or a ratio to gold. If silver exceeds its historic value, as I expect it will, due to the scarcity, from its importance in electronics and photography, then perhaps a silver dime, silver quarter, or silver dollar's worth of silver will be worth far more than a day's wage, as it once was.

How high will silver prices go? You do the math on what a day's wage should be, and you tell me!

Will people be hurt if silver and gold prices rise? Not you if you own some! But also, honest weights and measures used in commerce are supposed to produce prosperity for all of society, not poverty.
Canadian-guerilla
03-14-2008, 01:17 PM
i'm with ya there Bragg

gold & silver
silver & gold

have been seen as used for the decades, centurys, millennia
and even J6P knows that gold and silver is valuable
starting with kindergarden with the use of gold and silver stars

the biggest silver i have are 10oz silver bars
leading down to Canadian silver dollars-quarters-dimes

i have the smaller silver just for the purpose of bartering/trading after TSHTF

*****************************************

my SILVER is my INSURANCE for after TSHTF

i just think it's the best way to retain my wealth (?) thru TSHTF
bulrush
03-14-2008, 01:38 PM
You can't eat silver, you can't eat gold. You can't buy food with them if no one's trading. So buy beans. It keeps the bad guys away too.
BraggSurvivor
03-14-2008, 01:44 PM
Ya cant order take out from the stock market either....;)
canid
03-14-2008, 01:46 PM
well you should:

'give me 3 shares of Mcdonalds, and a happymeal...'
BraggSurvivor
03-14-2008, 01:49 PM
well you should:

'give me 3 shares of Mcdonalds, and a happymeal...'


And charge it to my account. :D
zaebra
03-14-2008, 04:34 PM
i'd really like to start buying silver, but the only places i can find that sell it are the little coin shops around town. am i missing something, or is that really the only place to buy silver ingots (1 oz at a time)?
BraggSurvivor
03-14-2008, 04:48 PM
i'd really like to start buying silver, but the only places i can find that sell it are the little coin shops around town. am i missing something, or is that really the only place to buy silver ingots (1 oz at a time)?


You can go right across the border into Surrey and buy at Border Gold. They sell everytype of silver including 1000 oz bars. Last time I was there 5 guys from Washington state were buying.

Here is the link: http://www.bordergold.com/
BraggSurvivor
03-14-2008, 05:01 PM
The downfall to buying silver is the weight. Sending it Purolator with insurance costs a fortune so I pick up. I make a trip out of it and visit friends and family in BC.

Here is a pic of types of silver: (1000 oz bars are too heavy to move in to photo)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Bructer/DSC00671.jpg
Rick
03-14-2008, 05:19 PM
Oh, yea? Well, I have so much stock (how much stock do you have?) I have soooo much stock I use it for toilet paper in the outhouse. And so much silver I use it for a boat anchor!

Yea, yea. And diamonds so big I used a little one for the disco ball in the dance hall.
canid
03-14-2008, 05:25 PM
you mean 62lb worth of heavy..?
Rick
03-14-2008, 05:27 PM
Calculator and laptop all running. 1000 ounces.....(checks reference books) divided by 16....
Rick
03-14-2008, 05:31 PM
Oh, no! Now I'm confused.

1 jigger = 1 shot = 1 ounce = 1/8 cup. Is 2 jiggers a jogger?
canid
03-14-2008, 07:04 PM
no, no; that's 8 drams per Oz, devided by the height of a regulation b-ball net, times the average price of gas per gallon in los angeles gives 1/4 acer of .0005" silver foil. it's realy quite simple rick.
Rick
03-14-2008, 09:17 PM
I always did have trouble converting American ounces to Canadian. I think ours is usually heavier but lately they've been about the same.
marberry
03-16-2008, 11:04 AM
where can you buy/sell silver bars?
Rick
03-16-2008, 11:14 AM
http://www.bordergold.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=73&Itemid=60
Ole WV Coot
03-16-2008, 02:39 PM
Am I wrong or did a guy with more $$ than brains named Hunt try to corner the market on silver several years back and lost his pants????
Rick
03-16-2008, 02:54 PM
No. His brother was named Hunt. His name was Hunt.
BraggSurvivor
03-16-2008, 02:58 PM
No. His brother was named Hunt. His name was Hunt.

You goofy buggar! :D:D:D
crashdive123
03-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Did somebody call?

http://www.comic.de/quiz/entenhausenwahl/Goofy.jpg
Rick
03-16-2008, 05:15 PM
You didn't have to put my pic up there. Sheeesh.
Ole WV Coot
03-16-2008, 05:50 PM
No. His brother was named Hunt. His name was Hunt.

:eek:My mind is going. I thought they were related but with the same name they couldn't be. Sorry, my mistake must have been lead the guy was hoarding and got a hernia from trying to hide it by himself.:confused:
Rick
03-16-2008, 05:54 PM
They had the same mother but were born at different times. That's probably what had you messed up.:rolleyes:
marberry
03-16-2008, 06:40 PM
In the last year XAU (gold ounces) went up 56% , experts expect atleast a 150% increase this year. silver is expected to make 20%.

and with gold you can carry it far more easily. imaginre trying to move $100 000 worth of silver, you would need a semi. that much money in gold is only 3 (kilo) bars. silver is far more convenient on small scale trading but gold (platimun and Palladium are far too hard to find buyers for , especially if the USD went under.) can be carried with ease. canadian maple leaf gold coins can also be exchanged for an equal value of cash at any major bank if there isnt a recession. and a safe full of gold is far prettier then a basement full of silver.
BraggSurvivor
03-16-2008, 08:34 PM
silver is expected to make 20%

First time Ive heard that.
BraggSurvivor
03-16-2008, 09:16 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Bructer/silver.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Bructer/gold.gif
BraggSurvivor
03-16-2008, 09:27 PM
Panic does not always occur only on the downside. Like the financial markets and the Fed. Panic can also occur on the upside. If things continue as they are, we may see the biggest upside in gold in the history of the gold market. Gold is once again becoming the safe haven asset for the world. Up $20 as I speak. I won't be surprised to see it up $50 by the end of Monday's session.
Ole WV Coot
03-18-2008, 01:01 AM
OK I got it now. That's where Kerry got his $$$. He married someone that either married a Hunt or maybe they had a sister? But if they didn't did he marry.....NO I won't go there.
goldsilverangel
03-28-2008, 10:52 AM
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Rick
03-28-2008, 11:15 AM
I removed the link in the above post because it sounds a lot like a spam post. In the off chance I'm wrong, I left the post.

goldsilverangel - Why don't you go over the Introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Outdoor things you enjoy. Why you are interested in wilderness survival. Whatever floats your boat.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
trax
03-28-2008, 12:47 PM
Well I think silver's better cuz you can use it to kill werewolves and you know...that's the name of the Lone Ranger's horse, now there's a dude that had it goin' on ya know what I'm sayin? Snappy white hat, silver bullets...whoa.

(dam canuckistanian hijacker!)
Alpine_Sapper
03-28-2008, 01:12 PM
Well I think silver's better cuz you can use it to kill werewolves and you know...that's the name of the Lone Ranger's horse, now there's a dude that had it goin' on ya know what I'm sayin? Snappy white hat, silver bullets...whoa.

(dam canuckistanian hijacker!)

Yeah, but he had no fashion sense. Dang fool wore white year 'round. :D
Rick
03-28-2008, 01:13 PM
Well, yeah. Who can argue with that? Then there's the Silver Surfer, Phil Silvers, Long John Silver"s, and of course every cloud has a silver lining. Gold is just so blas'e.
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