Ammo inventory

[Sourdough]

WHY...WHY...WHY...WHY.....Would "YOU" ever...ever run out of AMMO..???



I see posting of members looking for ammo.........WHY

If you own a .22LR why do you NOT own at least 2,000 rounds of .22LR minimum at any given time.

If you own a 12 Ga. or 20 Ga. or .410 why would you NOT own at least a case of ammo for each.

If you own a 5.56 NATO firearm, and the AMMO price doubles or triples, WHY do you call those who have ammo for sale "Gougers" Why not call yourself something......???

Why do sportsmen go to the store and buy (1) One BOX of rifle ammo for hunting....The week before season opens.....????

REALLY......without ammo all you have is a bump-jack handle or a poorly designed "Club".

Why blame others for your not owning ammo.......????

Why do you assume there will always be food and ammo available.......???? The supply line for both could end......with zero warning.

Don't get caught without food, fuel, ammo.

[Echo2]

Amen.....that is all.

[nell67]

Absolutely Sourdough

[hunter63]

There are those that like their bases covered, and those that will never be ready.

[kyratshooter]

You left out "cash in the pockets" Sourdough!

Empty gun, empty pantry, empty fuel tank and empty pockets often equils disaster even when times are not hard.

I espically have no sympathy for anyone caught with no ammo in the present situation. Everyone knew this was comming.

[BENESSE]

You left out "cash in the pockets" Sourdough!

Empty gun, empty pantry, empty fuel tank and empty pockets often equils disaster even when times are not hard.


Amen to that, Kyrat.

Sometimes people have to set priorities...don't have the luxury of having it all.
In the rules of survival...you know...3 sec, 3 min. 3 days, etc. ammo is somehow omitted.
Just sayin'.

[kyratshooter]

Amen to that, Kyrat.

Sometimes people have to set priorities...don't have the luxury of having it all.
In the rules of survival...you know...3 sec, 3 min. 3 days, etc. ammo is somehow omitted.
Just sayin'.


I include ammo in the 3 weeks without food section.

Right now I have it figured that if I shoot a deer every other week, and small game on the alternate weeks my 6th generation decendants will run out of ammo sometime in the late months of 2215.

Of course that does not count the bows, arrows, black powder and airguns stuff.

Ya gotta' think about the future!

[BENESSE]

I include ammo in the 3 weeks without food section.

Right now I have it figured that if I shoot a deer every other week, and small game on the alternate weeks my 6th generation decendants will run out of ammo sometime in the late months of 2215.

Ya gotta' think about the future!

Don't disagree with that.

As for the rest, well, we could do worse...so more power to you.
Wish we were neighbors.

[hunter63]

Ammo inventory should also include where possible;
Per gauge or caliber;
Powder, primers, bullets, loading dies and bullet mold.....
Lead.

[Geek]

Prior to the current panic, I had heard the suggestion of 1,000 rounds per weapon and 5,000 rounds per .22 for SHTF. Since I didn't have a better idea, I have used that as my target inventory. I'm taking the current panic as a reason to reevaluate how much ammo should be stored, by caliber. I have what I thought was enough as of 2 weeks ago, and the current panic is probably mild compared to a real SHTF scenario. I expect that the stocking problem will persist for awhile, and then afterward there will be some bargains, just like people returning generators after a hurricane. At that point I will stock up to my new target inventory levels.

This has occurred before and seems to be more intense this time. Why not learn from it to prepare for next time?

[alaskabushman]

I dont like putting my current ammo inventory on the internet, but a 5 gallon bucket of .22 bulk pack is not a bad thing. I have noticed that in my location the "panic buying" is not as prominent as it in in the lower 48. Having just left the Idaho area after holidays with family I can attest that wal-marts ammo shelves in Idaho are virtually empty. Just got back from Wally world here in AK and the shelves look fine. In fact there are still bricks of Balzers sitting around. I noticed the same phenomenon back in '09 with the ammo shortage. Alaskans in general more prepared? Just harder to send into a panic? I cant say for sure.

[doug1980]

I had to sell/give away all my ammo before I moved. Couldn't ship it and didn't want the hassle of taking it through Canada. I'm still in the process of rebuilding my supply. Kind of hard to spend money on ammo with all the other expenses a growing family endure. Slow and steady I'll get my supply up, if it's available.

[SARKY]

Doug, Are you never going back to Alaska? If you are, I would have simply cached the ammo someplace safe.

[doug1980]

Doug, Are you never going back to Alaska? If you are, I would have simply cached the ammo someplace safe.

No idea I hope to go back. At the mercy of the USAF for the next 12 years. A lot can happen in 12 years.

[kyratshooter]

Prior to the current panic, I had heard the suggestion of 1,000 rounds per weapon and 5,000 rounds per .22 for SHTF. Since I didn't have a better idea, I have used that as my target inventory. I'm taking the current panic as a reason to reevaluate how much ammo should be stored, by caliber. I have what I thought was enough as of 2 weeks ago, and the current panic is probably mild compared to a real SHTF scenario. I expect that the stocking problem will persist for awhile, and then afterward there will be some bargains, just like people returning generators after a hurricane. At that point I will stock up to my new target inventory levels.

This has occurred before and seems to be more intense this time. Why not learn from it to prepare for next time?

For some unusual reason I have never seen the private stocks offered for sale after these buying sprees. I have also neve seen the prices of ammo go down after the inventory recovered.

There is no target ammount of ammo to shoot for. It all depends on your expected long term use. All the centerfire stuff will be relitively useless once the big game is shot out. The rimfire stuff will be gone soon once most shooters find they are firing 5-10 shots per rabbit/squirrel and it is simply impossible to down large game with their peashooters working at the average shooter's skill level. SHTF and hungry, exhaused and freezing factored in the accuracy level of the best will go to pot.

SHTF small shot shotgun shells will be worth their weight in gold. I lived through the "small game only era" in the south and in spite of the rimfire hocus-pokus the shotgun still rules for upland/small game of any kind.

Too much emphisis is placed on buckshot and slugs. That shotgun and #6-#8 game loads are what will keep you fed in crisis once the deer are gone.

[Geek]

For some unusual reason I have never seen the private stocks offered for sale after these buying sprees. I have also neve seen the prices of ammo go down after the inventory recovered.

There is no target ammount of ammo to shoot for. It all depends on your expected long term use. All the centerfire stuff will be relitively useless once the big game is shot out. The rimfire stuff will be gone soon once most shooters find they are firing 5-10 shots per rabbit/squirrel and it is simply impossible to down large game with their peashooters working at the average shooter's skill level. SHTF and hungry, exhaused and freezing factored in the accuracy level of the best will go to pot.

SHTF small shot shotgun shells will be worth their weight in gold. I lived through the "small game only era" in the south and in spite of the rimfire hocus-pokus the shotgun still rules for upland/small game of any kind.

Too much emphisis is placed on buckshot and slugs. That shotgun and #6-#8 game loads are what will keep you fed in crisis once the deer are gone.

Good points. The only reason I mention SHTF is I figure if I don't have enough to get through shortages now, then I sure don't have enough to get through SHTF, and I need to adjust my thinking on what is the right amount to stockpile.

Since I live in a relatively urbanized area, my shooting is mostly at a local pistol range, but based on your advice I am going to up my target for #8 shotgun regardless of how this episode unfolds. The good news is I get to learn from this experience and will be better prepared in the future as a result. I am expecting to alter my future plans based on what I see myself getting low on, what I can see is a problem in the marketplace, and what I learn from others along the way.

I don't know what will happen with panic buy stocks, but I can imagine people just slowly using it, stockpiling it, selling it to friends, dumping at a gun show, etc. You may be right about prices going one way, especially if we get a round of general inflation. However, I am expecting the froth in .223/5.56 to go away, and availability in all calibers to improve over time. By then I want to have revised my targets for how much I want to stock.

[crashdive123]

WHY...WHY...WHY...WHY.....Would "YOU" ever...ever run out of AMMO..???



I see posting of members looking for ammo.........WHY

If you own a .22LR why do you NOT own at least 2,000 rounds of .22LR minimum at any given time.

If you own a 12 Ga. or 20 Ga. or .410 why would you NOT own at least a case of ammo for each.

If you own a 5.56 NATO firearm, and the AMMO price doubles or triples, WHY do you call those who have ammo for sale "Gougers" Why not call yourself something......???

Why do sportsmen go to the store and buy (1) One BOX of rifle ammo for hunting....The week before season opens.....????

REALLY......without ammo all you have is a bump-jack handle or a poorly designed "Club".

Why blame others for your not owning ammo.......????

Why do you assume there will always be food and ammo available.......???? The supply line for both could end......with zero warning.

Don't get caught without food, fuel, ammo.

I'm good......but I'll probably get more.:whistling:

[Geek]

I'm good......but I'll probably get more.:whistling:

I suspect most on this forum are "good" for the current event. I just think that this is an opportunity to come up with a smarter set of goals for inventory. Should food storage be 3 days, or a year's supply? It's a judgement call with this group being inclined toward more is better. Same problem for ammo. I'm probably going to redefine "good" for myself.

Last year we had Hurricane Irene. I learned from that and I installed a generator and stored some more food and fuel, so when Sandy came along, I was comfortable. Having experienced Sandy, I have again adjusted my thinking on the amount of food and fuel that needs to be on hand for natural disasters. I'm not sure what this situation will do to my thinking as it isn't over yet, but I am sure I will have different thoughts on how much is enough once this is over.

I don't think anyone needs to post what they actually have. We all have different circumstances in any case. However, I would appreciate thoughts on how much one should have whether it is per weapon, or per person, or arrived at in some other fashion, along with the reasoning for their recommendation.

[Echo2]

The election made the group decide to extend past 24 months in LTS....and that is even being rethought after we had a meeting with an accountant.

Ammunition is covered....and new purchases were thought to be just academic.....but that too is being rethought.

A lot of things for our group have been looked at in a different light....fuel stores....med supplies.... power inverters...etc

It really turned the "if" into "when" for some of the more reserved folks.

I have decided to relocate some of my stores permanently to the BOL....just to save the transport time in the event.

[kyratshooter]

My big concern at this point is getting things scattered about with enough effeciency to be safe, secure, and accessable, while not having all the eggs in one basket.

Even when you live on the BOL you have to spread things out a bit.

That and the floors are starting to sag.

And here in KY you do take the chance that if you lean one more shotgun against the wrong wall the house could tumble down into the holler'.

[cwi555]

For some unusual reason I have never seen the private stocks offered for sale after these buying sprees. I have also neve seen the prices of ammo go down after the inventory recovered.

There is no target ammount of ammo to shoot for. It all depends on your expected long term use. All the centerfire stuff will be relitively useless once the big game is shot out. The rimfire stuff will be gone soon once most shooters find they are firing 5-10 shots per rabbit/squirrel and it is simply impossible to down large game with their peashooters working at the average shooter's skill level. SHTF and hungry, exhaused and freezing factored in the accuracy level of the best will go to pot.

SHTF small shot shotgun shells will be worth their weight in gold. I lived through the "small game only era" in the south and in spite of the rimfire hocus-pokus the shotgun still rules for upland/small game of any kind.

Too much emphisis is placed on buckshot and slugs. That shotgun and #6-#8 game loads are what will keep you fed in crisis once the deer are gone.

Small game only era? rimfire hocus pokus? Umm I've taken a lot of small game with rimfire. Not sure what small game only era in the south your speaking of either unless it was Ky only?
As for shotguns, I have them as well, along with an assortment of loads. As for my goto, It has always been a 22, and always will be for small game.
To each their own.

[cwi555]

Our analysis has it at 5 years LTS. That is base on a worst case scenario weather pattern prediction coupled with a world food shortage along with an allowance for 2 locations to have been over run/discovered/otherwise indisposed. The result would be 2.5 years worst case, 5 years best case.
We were already there if we extended rotation out to 15 years instead of our normal 10. All of the stores have a minimum 15 year life, most are rated 20 plus.

It's a good move getting it spread out.


The election made the group decide to extend past 24 months in LTS....and that is even being rethought after we had a meeting with an accountant.

Ammunition is covered....and new purchases were thought to be just academic.....but that too is being rethought.

A lot of things for our group have been looked at in a different light....fuel stores....med supplies.... power inverters...etc

It really turned the "if" into "when" for some of the more reserved folks.

I have decided to relocate some of my stores permanently to the BOL....just to save the transport time in the event.

[Geek]

My big concern at this point is getting things scattered about with enough effeciency to be safe, secure, and accessable, while not having all the eggs in one basket.

Even when you live on the BOL you have to spread things out a bit.

That and the floors are starting to sag.

And here in KY you do take the chance that if you lean one more shotgun against the wrong wall the house could tumble down into the holler'.

Now that gives me the sense I need more. :-)

[Wildthang]

Well I am going to get more.22 ammo because when Kyrat finishes spraying bird shot all over the hills, he will need more rimfire ammo, I just hope he can still shoot a .22:scared:

[Echo2]

Our analysis has it at 5 years LTS. That is base on a worst case scenario weather pattern prediction coupled with a world food shortage along with an allowance for 2 locations to have been over run/discovered/otherwise indisposed. The result would be 2.5 years worst case, 5 years best case.
We were already there if we extended rotation out to 15 years instead of our normal 10. All of the stores have a minimum 15 year life, most are rated 20 plus.

It's a good move getting it spread out.

Holy cow!!!.....how many folks are you prepping for? Family or group?

[Beans]

There is no target ammount of ammo to shoot for. It all depends on your expected long term use. All the centerfire stuff will be relitively useless once the big game is shot out. The rimfire stuff will be gone soon once most shooters find they are firing 5-10 shots per rabbit/squirrel and it is simply impossible to down large game with their peashooters working at the average shooter's skill level. SHTF and hungry, exhaused and freezing factored in the accuracy level of the best will go to pot.



I hope you are being humorus about 5-10 rds per rabbit or squirrel. If anyone's skill level is that low they need to practice. or become the cook and let someone else do the hunting.
Now if are trying to hit a running jackrabbit with a handgun as he is bounding through the mesquite. Sometimes it might take that many rounds to hit it. But if your slow and observent you can catch them sitting in the shade then one shot will do it.

I don't consider myself a great shot, however I can hold my own in the circles in which I shoot.
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I grew up hunting small game with a .22 and would have been in the dog house for using that much ammo. I admit that sometimes I missed a shot but the second on always did the job. Yes I hunted when it was cold/wet/snowing/sleeting. I was shivering ETC.

I disagree that all the centerfire stuff will be useless as it would be overkill but head shot on a setting rabbit, a treed squirrel, racoon or a sage hen ETC would waste very little meat. If you are taking body shots don't waste the shell.

When you get the chance try a body shot on small game with a FMJ .223 and you might be surprised.

I do agree with the selection of shot size if you are going to use a shotgun. Those also work for self defense at closer ranges.


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Back in the day when I was an LEO, the dept insisted on everyone carrying the same caliber handgun. Thier reasoning was that if a Fellow officer had run out of ammo you could have shared with him. I always disagreed my reasoning was: you shoot up all your ammo and don't hit anything why should I throw you half my ammo so you can shoot it up also.
When we both run out then we both die. So when your ammo is gone, you stay behind cover and I will/would provide covering fire to keep us both safe.

[Echo2]

Back in the day when I was an LEO, the dept insisted on everyone carrying the same caliber handgun. Thier reasoning was that if a Fellow officer had run out of ammo you could have shared with him. I always disagreed my reasoning was: you shoot up all your ammo and don't hit anything why should I throw you half my ammo so you can shoot it up also.
When we both run out then we both die. So when your ammo is gone, you stay behind cover and I will/would provide covering fire to keep us both safe.

The reasoning would be if the partner was down.....if you showed up to the fight late and others had been fending off multiples for a while.

I agree that you shouldn't haphazardly hand over ammo to an idiot....but commonality of caliber is a bit more than that.....IMO.

[kyratshooter]

I hope you are being humorus about 5-10 rds per rabbit or squirrel. If anyone's skill level is that low they need to practice. or become the cook and let someone else do the hunting.
Now if are trying to hit a running jackrabbit with a handgun as he is bounding through the mesquite. Sometimes it might take that many rounds to hit it. But if your slow and observent you can catch them sitting in the shade then one shot will do it.

That may work in the southwestern schrub but it will not cut it in the eastern U.S. Here you do not see the rabbits until they bolt from the brush at 15 yards doing 90 MPH! You do not see sitting rabbits except in the back yards of suburbia. Once you enter the rural environment, everyone is headed for, the theories change to missed shots and empty stomachs.

We also do not have "sitting grouse" or squirrels that stand still while you draw a bead on their eyeball.

Everything here is moving when you see it and the whole world is a camoflaged jungle.

I know that the people on this forum are all exceptional shots, each and every one, but I spend a lot of time at the range and I do not have much faith in the marksmanship of the population in general. All the newbies from Pennsilvania that jump on a forum and take first gun buying advice fom someone in the Arazona desert are going to be in for a shock when they actually start hunting PA critters in the weeds and trees.

Here in the eastern U.S. the shotgun has always ruled. Smoothbores outnumbered the famed "Kentucky Rifles" 3:1 on the frontier and many of those famous "Kentucky Rifles" were origionally made as smoothbores. The records show the old frontier gunsmiths produced "smoothrifles" 2:1 when filling orders. Even then "rifles" were considered a very specialized firearm.

The west" had different rules from the start. The sparse cover and open spaces made rifle shooting the norm. Shotguns were reserved for bank and stagecoach guards, town lawmen and sod-busting farmers chasing 'possoms from the henhouse.

In a land that covers 6 time zones and climate from the tropics to the tundra each geographic area has its own needs. In my area, and over most of the south and midwest, one "needs" a shotgun.

[Echo2]

I'm in SW Va....me and a buddy used to go out and hunt rabbits with our 10/22s.....box of 50rds.....shoot 10 rabbits......then plink the last 35 to 40 rds left in the box.

We were paid to keep the rabbit population in check on the property anyways....for the sake of the garden.....so they were plenty skiddish.

Now those darn ground birds will scare the crap outta you.....my old J.C.Higgins break down 20ga brought more than a few dozen to their doom.....box of 25 #8 yielded an average of 12-15 birds.

[Geek]

So factors involved in establishing a desired inventory, include: number of people in group, mix of weapons in group, duration of event, where in the country you are located, and mix of defense vs. hunting expected. Anyone care to add anything?

[Echo2]

So factors involved in establishing a desired inventory, include: number of people in group, mix of weapons in group, duration of event, where in the country you are located, and mix of defense vs. hunting expected. Anyone care to add anything?

There is no room for logic and common sense in this discussion.....be gone with your evil snake oil.....:)

[Geek]

There is no room for logic and common sense in this discussion.....be gone with your evil snake oil.....:)

I'll take that as a no. :-)

[cwi555]

Holy cow!!!.....how many folks are you prepping for? Family or group?

36 adults 12 children, with the intent to be able to take in another 3 dozen children.

[cwi555]

Shotguns to me are for things that fly, therefore i have them. If it crawls, climbs, or walks, and can be considered small game, it's a .22
I am in Eastern TN.

I'm in SW Va....me and a buddy used to go out and hunt rabbits with our 10/22s.....box of 50rds.....shoot 10 rabbits......then plink the last 35 to 40 rds left in the box.

We were paid to keep the rabbit population in check on the property anyways....for the sake of the garden.....so they were plenty skiddish.

Now those darn ground birds will scare the crap outta you.....my old J.C.Higgins break down 20ga brought more than a few dozen to their doom.....box of 25 #8 yielded an average of 12-15 birds.

[Echo2]

36 adults 12 children, with the intent to be able to take in another 3 dozen children.

At 2.5 year for 48 folks....at a pound a day....that's just under 44,000lbs.....How are you storing that volume?

[Geek]

Actually, 84 if you count the extra children. I'd be curious as to how you arrived at 2.5 years rather than 2 years or 3 years.

[cwi555]

At 2.5 year for 48 folks....at a pound a day....that's just under 44,000lbs.....How are you storing that volume?
Not trying to be trite here, but lets just say more than one location, and something less than a 1,000.

[Sourdough]

I don't think anyone needs to post what they actually have. We all have different circumstances in any case. However, I would appreciate thoughts on how much one should have whether it is per weapon, or per person, or arrived at in some other fashion, along with the reasoning for their recommendation.


The reason I have a lot of Ammo is: "They will NEVER take the firearms.......But they CAN control the ammo for the firearms.

[cwi555]

Actually, 84 if you count the extra children. I'd be curious as to how you arrived at 2.5 years rather than 2 years or 3 years.
It's actually five years, and only based on preps in this country. The logic is similar logic a smart person uses if they go to a casino. A smart person never brings more cash to the table than they can lose outright. The extra 2.5 years or 30 months is a 100 percent safety factor built in. If half our supplies are compromised or otherwise unobtainable, the remainder will allow for our maximum time frame to recover from one of a series, or combinations of worst case scenarios. From a more optimistic viewpoint, it's better than a 200 percent safety factor.

A lot of folks have it in their heads all they need is one year. That idea typically comes from their worst case scenario where they need to grow crops the following year. Our concern is this. What if it's two years before you can even think about it? EMP attacks for instance would kick the countries food production back to the horse drawn plow. Somewhere those people got it in their heads all the scavengers will somehow be dead within 3-4 months. that flies in the face of known facts. Sarajevo Bosnia was under siege for 4 years (92 - 96). Some aid was able to make it in from various parts of the world, which is the only reason the city wasn't turned into coffin. The first year and a half was probably the worst of it though. Somehow those people survived it. Some of our members took a trip there 10 years ago to do our own research instead of reading it in a questionably sourced book. After the first year and a half, they learned to grow food in places that would surprise many. They learned how to smuggle in aid, evade, and try to carry on some semblance of life, but again, to say that first year and a half was ugly, is the understatement of a century.

Financial collapses in various countries have taken upwards of 3 years to re-establish normal supply lines and business. Especially the collapse of the former soviet union. Most people are familiar with Somalia, It never has recovered. I was on the ground in Ecuador (98-99 time frame), Argentina (2001-2002 time frame), and Venezuela (94-96 off and on). There is no description for what a food riot looks like.

Regardless of the scenario, it all came back to the basics. Food, Water, Shelter, Health, Security. Lose any of the five and you were in a hurt.
Many of our members come from other parts of the world with a very large variation of experiences. We have taken our collective experience and come up with the 5 year plan. However, if it goes longer than 2.5, everyone is likely screwed anyway.

1 year just doesn't cut it. 2 years maybe, 2.5 is the minimum.

Those same collective experiences have told us the children are the ones that suffer worst when SHTF in a big way. In the worst case scenario, even more so. We evaluated ourselves in many different ways, and through that process, came to realize one of the most likely schisms for our groups unity would be to hole up and not try to help at least some of those should the worst happen. So we took our number including our children and worked out the maximum safe supplies we felt we could keep and defend. Thats where the 36 comes from.

Obviously there is a lot more to it than that, but that is all we are willing to put out in the open.

[Geek]

I've done a bit of back of the envelope recalculations. I am first assuming one adult with a MBR, a .22, a shotgun, and a handgun, 4 weapons total. If I further assume an occasional gunfight blowing through the MBR ammo, hunting with the 22 and the shotgun daily, and occasional use of the handgun, I get estimates of 100 rounds for MBR, 100 rounds for .22, 30 rounds for shotgun, and 10 rounds for handgun per month. For a year that becomes, 1200, 1200, 360, and 120. For 2.5 years we get to 3000, 3000, 900 and 300 per person. Assume a group of 10 to make the math easy and we're at 12,000, 12,000, 3600 and 1200.

With storing in multiple locations, with loss of one location, yada, yada, call it 15,000, 15,000, 5,000 and 2,000. Increase proportionally for a larger group. That's a different mix to what I had heard suggested before, but could be built up slowly by someone wanting to do so. Suggestions?

[Echo2]

Not trying to be trite here, but lets just say more than one location, and something less than a 1,000.

It's just a high volume of food....We have about 150 superpails....and that's just 1/2 of it. A lot of the goods are canned and dried....etc.

We have a 40' x 30' building with a walk in freezer...and it's tight.

What have you decided to use for cooking oils?

Do you do most of you own stores or purchasing?

What methods are you planning for cooking?...wood.....gas.....K1?

Don't mean to flood you with questions....just generally don't find many folks dealing with volume.....it is a challenge.

[Desert Rat!]

Here you do not see the rabbits until they bolt from the brush at 15 yards doing 90 MPH! How come your rabbits are so slow!!?:wheelchair:

[Geek]

Don't mean to flood you with questions....just generally don't find many folks dealing with volume.....it is a challenge.

I agree. I am planning to take in a number of people, so I am planning for what I thought was a large number, but nowhere near what you are preparing for. I keep acquiring, bumping out the number I can support and the time I could support them, but 84 people, many of them children for 2.5 years is way beyond what I have even considered.

I think prepping for that number of people is great, but all the problems multiply. Cost, volume, storage, not to mention the organization, is a huge challenge. Any tips that would help?

[redneckidokie]

Mercy man, you need to go stock up, Today! Your lacking. LOL


I include ammo in the 3 weeks without food section.

Right now I have it figured that if I shoot a deer every other week, and small game on the alternate weeks my 6th generation decendants will run out of ammo sometime in the late months of 2215.

Of course that does not count the bows, arrows, black powder and airguns stuff.

Ya gotta' think about the future!

[Moonviper]

Shoot I use to stock up on ammo and buy a few thousand rounds ever so often but then my gun room on the 2nd floor fell thru to the 1st floor. Guess the wife was right I am a little crazy and have to much, lol.Ok thats not true you can never have to many guns or to much ammo. So now I keep it all locked up in my basement. Now call me weird but I love to see the UPS guy's face turn bright red when he trys to carry a few boxes of ammo to my front porch. he asked me one day, what in the world do you keep ordering that is so heavy? I smiled real big and said, O I just like to have my friends mail me really big rocks so I can watch you carry them my front porch.

[Bearskin Grills]

The reason I have a lot of Ammo is: "They will NEVER take the firearms.......But they CAN control the ammo for the firearms.

yea, and i see that happening too. if nothing else a hefty tax on ammo

[Dropy]

Shoot I use to stock up on ammo and buy a few thousand rounds ever so often but then my gun room on the 2nd floor fell thru to the 1st floor. Guess the wife was right I am a little crazy and have to much, lol.Ok thats not true you can never have to many guns or to much ammo. So now I keep it all locked up in my basement. Now call me weird but I love to see the UPS guy's face turn bright red when he trys to carry a few boxes of ammo to my front porch. he asked me one day, what in the world do you keep ordering that is so heavy? I smiled real big and said, O I just like to have my friends mail me really big rocks so I can watch you carry them my front porch.

BAHAHAHAHAHA That's funny!

[cwi555]

Shoot I use to stock up on ammo and buy a few thousand rounds ever so often but then my gun room on the 2nd floor fell thru to the 1st floor. Guess the wife was right I am a little crazy and have to much, lol.Ok thats not true you can never have to many guns or to much ammo. So now I keep it all locked up in my basement. Now call me weird but I love to see the UPS guy's face turn bright red when he trys to carry a few boxes of ammo to my front porch. he asked me one day, what in the world do you keep ordering that is so heavy? I smiled real big and said, O I just like to have my friends mail me really big rocks so I can watch you carry them my front porch.

Now thats funny....

[kyratshooter]

That does not work for me!

The last case I had delivered was not wrapped. Big box with "Small Arms Ammo, 1,000 rounds, Made in the Ukrane" in big two inch letters.

[Wildthang]

I often wonder if the gubmint can track online ammo orders?

[kyratshooter]

The gubmint can track how much TP you use, why not ammo.

Yesterday ATF agents testified in AZ on how many rounds that nutjob that shot Rep. Gifford had ordered online.

Bet they could find out how much I had bought in the past couple of years within a few seconds of pressing the proper computer key.

[Geek]

Google would also be able to figure it out. Privacy does not exist online.

[Dennis]

By what I've seen lately if you don't have the ammo you desire your to late. I was in two stores yesterday and neither had 223, 22LR, 22mag, 9mm, 308, 40, 45, etc.

I think it's really bad when a large store is sold out of 22LR.

[Wildthang]

By what I've seen lately if you don't have the ammo you desire your to late. I was in two stores yesterday and neither had 223, 22LR, 22mag, 9mm, 308, 40, 45, etc.

I think it's really bad when a large store is sold out of 22LR.

The ammo stock will return when all of the paranoia levels off and everybody has spent all of their money on AR's and ammo. This has happened before!

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