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wannabee

12-30-2012, 11:04 AM

Hey guys I'm new to forum use so please forgive me if this is posted in the wrong place...or some other major mistake.
I am sixteen this December and have recently thought of finding a nice wooded spot to live for a month or so. Please don't misinterpret this as "Running Away" that is not what I want. I am only interested in some peace and quiet and of course the experience. I have pretty much decided to follow through with this plan but there are a few problems. One, I have no idea how to hunt of fish but I figure YouTube can help with that. The second problem is I don't have a clue where to go. I live just outside Coatesville PA and I need somewhere wooded that I can walk to within a day. If anyone can give advice please do.

Geek

12-30-2012, 11:22 AM

How much camping experience do you have? Have you been in the scouts?

If you are inexperienced, start with short trips where you can bail out easily if you run into difficulty. An overnight in a tent in your backyard can be a learning experience. As you build your skills, you'll be able to comfortably camp for longer periods and in more difficult locations. Also, forget the idea of going alone. To go camping you should have at least three people so if one gets hurt, one can stay with the injured person and the other can go for help.

You might also consider the time of year. Right now we are rolling into the winter. Winter camping can be a lot of fun, but you should be experienced with spring, summer, fall camping before trying it.

If you have some experience, let us know what you've done so we can advise better.

Sourdough

12-30-2012, 11:40 AM

Wannabee, Is the Downingtown Farmers Market still in existence........?????

wannabee

12-30-2012, 11:53 AM

Geek,
I have no previous experience my Mom has been really "Protective" and camping has always been on the Dangerous list for her. As stated before I am only sixteen so this would be against her wishes, but I really want to try this. I will see what I can do in my back yard. I suppose trying to build a small shelter is a start. And as for the weather I was not thinking of leaving now but in late May. Thank you for responding so quickly.

Sourdough,
As far as I know there is no Downingtown Market but don't take my word for it. The last person who took my word fell out of a tree...

pete lynch

12-30-2012, 12:08 PM

I would not leave the Coatsville area until I was really sure I had some skills. Thats some nice Piedmont country around there; I was just nearby there Friday in Northern Delaware. Theres a lot to learn from that area you are in.

Geek

12-30-2012, 12:57 PM

Instead of building a shelter, see if you can start assembling some basic camping equipment. A two-man tent, sleeping bag, a pack etc. Find a couple friends who have been in the scouts. They can teach you a lot in a hurry.

Sarge47

12-30-2012, 01:42 PM

First, you're mom is correct! Camping CAN be very dangerous if done wrong. YouTube is not the only answer, you need "hands on" training by somebody who knows what they're talking about. Do you know how to build a fire safely and to do it so you don't accidently start a forest fire? What about 1st aid training? 1st aid is the best place to start! Take a course with your local Red Cross! You're mom shouldn't be able to find a problem with that. Buy an older Boy Scout Handbook as well as the 1984 copy of the Boy Scout Field book and begin studying and practicing, but find a responsible adult to help you! This is not a skill set that you can learn quickly, it goes on for the rest of your life! Learn to cook if you don't already know how! Are you allowed to carry any type of knife? What about fishing, have you ever done that? Let us know! :cowboy:

Geek

12-30-2012, 02:09 PM

BTW: While you are older than most who join the scouts, you can still join a scout troop and learn to camp in a hurry. At 18 you can be an adult volunteer with the scouts, and they can always use volunteers, especially those who have the time to participate in camping trips. As an adult volunteer, you can do all the camping you want, including attending the scout "high adventure" camps.

About one year of active participation in the scouts will make you a pretty safe camper.

Sarge47

12-30-2012, 02:32 PM

BTW: While you are older than most who join the scouts, you can still join a scout troop and learn to camp in a hurry. At 18 you can be an adult volunteer with the scouts, and they can always use volunteers, especially those who have the time to participate in camping trips. As an adult volunteer, you can do all the camping you want, including attending the scout "high adventure" camps.

About one year of active participation in the scouts will make you a pretty safe camper.

Geek is 100% correct, this is not something you just rush into. Set a goal to be ready to start your outdoor camping at 18. You will then be an adult. Get the proper instruction! That is paramount! Meanwhile study and start making notes, lists, what ever & whoever you're going to need to reach your goal! Do it right and you'll never regret it. Do it wrong and you might never live to regret it! :closedeyes:

hunter63

12-30-2012, 02:37 PM

Just a thought as to location......Any camp grounds in the area?

Stiffy

12-30-2012, 02:46 PM

You say your mother is protective? Good. She's supposed to be, that means she cares about you and she's a good mom.

So how about getting her to go with you on an afternoon trip? Maybe a short hike or just fixing a meal together over a fire. Tell her you want her along to "keep you safe." She might even enjoy it, and you'll be gaining experience with every trip.

kyratshooter

12-30-2012, 03:07 PM

Wannabe I would not advise you to irritate your Mom, but do not feel alone in having an overprotective parent that does not share your interests. It is the plight of many. The first thing I did once I got my drivers liscense was put together a rig and go camping.

If you check your local parks and recreation department you may find that they offer courses in camping. I know that where I grew up we had an "Urban Wilderness Area" that included a pack in campground. You had to take their one day "no trace camping" course to gain admittance to that area. The area had a ranger in supervision and access to emergency services.

I am sure there is a state park near you that has a campground and a few trails to roam. That would be a start to our training.

Look into some bare bones camping styles and assemble some simple gear. It does not take much to put a camping rig together. I used to assign this as a "life skill" section when I was teaching. I would allow a budget of $50 and have each student assemble a camping outfit (on paper) using the sale fliers and advertisements from the local outdoor stores. a warm weather camp can easily be built for that amount.

After you "camp out" in the back yard a few times your partents will probably decide you can stay alive overnight safely and drop you off at the state campground. My parents were definately not outdoor people and the fact that I could spend a weekend at the lake on my own always amazed them. All I needed was a can of Dinty Moore beff stew, a can of pork and beans and my fishing pole and I was happy as a hog in mud.

Sourdough

12-30-2012, 05:04 PM

Sourdough,
As far as I know there is no Downingtown Market but don't take my word for it. The last person who took my word fell out of a tree...

I was raised in the Exton. PA. area and we would drive to the Downingtown Farmers Market because gasoline was $00.13.9 (Yes 13.9 cents per gallon). This was in the 1950's

crashdive123

12-30-2012, 06:38 PM

Geek,
I have no previous experience my Mom has been really "Protective" and camping has always been on the Dangerous list for her. As stated before I am only sixteen so this would be against her wishes, but I really want to try this. I will see what I can do in my back yard. I suppose trying to build a small shelter is a start. And as for the weather I was not thinking of leaving now but in late May. Thank you for responding so quickly.

Sourdough,
As far as I know there is no Downingtown Market but don't take my word for it. The last person who took my word fell out of a tree...

Sorry - I'm unable to give you advice. Get her onboard and then lets talk.

aflineman

12-30-2012, 07:00 PM

One way to get your Mom on board is to tent camp in the back yard with her. Or just throw a couple of cots out, with sleeping bags, on a nice warm summer night. You can really learn a lot in your own back yard, and your Mom might appreciate sharing the adventure with you. The nice thing about the back yard is you can bail back into the house if the weather gets bad (Or even just to use the restroom).

natertot

12-30-2012, 07:24 PM

Welcome Wannabe!

The first step is to get your mom on board. I would take a few classes WITH your mom before doing anything. I would take first aid and hunter safety for educational and informational purposes. Also, look to see what other programs are available through your DNR. Taking these classes with your mom would give both of you some safety info and my put your mom at ease or possibly get her into you world. I know my mom would have passed out if I had wanted to do something with her at 16!

Good luck and stay safe young friend.

wannabee

12-30-2012, 11:06 PM

Thank you all for the advice! As much as I agree with you about trying things with my mom, it is not possible. My mom would not sleep on the ground if she was paid to. This camping excursion is for myself. I cannot explain the feeling I have toward this trip. At this point I am acting as a stupid sixteen year old. I only plan this trip to last a month or so and will gain as much knowledge from books as I can before hand. My inexperience is what I want to fix during the trip. CrashDive, I am sorry this is not OK'd by my mother, but you have to meet my mother before you can try to accept/ defend her. She will be found different then others.
Please don't take this as rude I mean no disrespect to anyone an I do appreciate the number of responses.... I have to go to bed I did a lot of forum reading today...

natertot

12-30-2012, 11:16 PM

Wannabe, I wouldn't say get her in the tent with you, but if she took some classes with you, it would inform her and give her a chance to ask questions by someone who has done it. Fear comes from two sources, experience or lack of knowledge. Your moms case seems like the later. If she could learn a bit and ask questions, it would be the start to breaking through and allowing you to do this.

Good Luck.

Sarge47

12-30-2012, 11:25 PM

Thank you all for the advice! As much as I agree with you about trying things with my mom, it is not possible. My mom would not sleep on the ground if she was paid to. This camping excursion is for myself. I cannot explain the feeling I have toward this trip. At this point I am acting as a stupid sixteen year old. I only plan this trip to last a month or so and will gain as much knowledge from books as I can before hand. My inexperience is what I want to fix during the trip. CrashDive, I am sorry this is not OK'd by my mother, but you have to meet my mother before you can try to accept/ defend her. She will be found different then others.
Please don't take this as rude I mean no disrespect to anyone an I do appreciate the number of responses.... I have to go to bed I did a lot of forum reading today...

1st, Crash does NOT need to know your mother, she is your legal guardian until you are an adult. You are NOT acting as a stupid 16 year old, just a stubborn one who refuses to listen to the good advice given here. You can't FIX inexperience on the wrong kind of trip, and going against your mother's wishes is NOT going to help. Like Crash, I'm done here as I can see that any help I try to give you is going to be ignored...oh yeah...good luck with that!

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BENESSE

12-31-2012, 01:27 AM

Wannabe, here's what worked for me when I couldn't see eye to eye with my mom. I'd get allies within the family--uncles, cousins, family friends & other "grown-ups" who I felt understood me better and could make my case to her and get her to soften up a bit.
Also, are there clubs in your school you could join(e.g. explorers club, wilderness club, etc.) that might give you a chance to get out and do some outdoorsy stuff as a way of getting your feet wet and getting your mom used to the idea since your doing something through school?
Try to be diplomatic and clever in how you get her to understand and ultimately support your interests. It's a skill that will serve you well in the future.

Geek

12-31-2012, 04:18 AM

I'd like to come back to my suggestion of joining the scouts. I suspect your Mom would be more likely to approve if she knew you were going to be with a well organized group complete with adult supervision. Meeting some of the other scout parents would also be reassuring. If she doesn't want to camp herself, there are always things to do to get her involved as well. For instance, when my son was in the scouts, I was the Advancement Chairman. This is an adult job where someone keeps all the records on the scouts progress on their various badges. Sounds dull, but somebody needs to do it. :-) Maybe your Mom would be willing to do that? The scouts always need drivers, so if she won't camp, maybe she'll drive a car to help get the scouts to where they are going to camp, and drop them off or pick them up? Being involved with other families who see this as a normal fun activity will help her with her fears.

In any case, the scouts would be happy to have her doing anything she is willing to do, and her being involved with the other parents would be a good thing. Another thing you should know about the scouts is that in a well run scout troop, the boys are running the troop. The parents are there just in case they are needed. You don't need to tell her this, but you'll be learning from boys your own age who already know how to camp. Once you get out in the woods, the older boys are working on leadership skills, organizing things the group needs to do together, while a few Dad's will be sitting around drinking coffee, socializing with each other, and ready to help if needed, but this is not an activity with a lot of parental "telling you what to do".

Faiaoga

12-31-2012, 08:02 AM

:smartass: I think a lotof good advice has been given. While your mother may be protective and not interested in the outdoors herself, she should be willing to let you try new things to gain useful skills and self-confidence.

The best advice, I think, is to look for local groups that sponsor hikes and trips. Scouting is just one organization. Environmental groups, Sierra Club, local religious youth groups, school science clubs and hiking clubs, and many other avenues are open. Day hikes in a local park are also a good introduction to outdoor skills.

I would suggest you look for relatives and family friends who will support your desire to do outdoor activities. I suspect they can explain to your mother that the confidence and skills you can learn will be helpful in your future life.
Faiaoga

intothenew

12-31-2012, 11:02 AM

You can start, I think, without breaking any rules.

First, ya gotta have stuff. Just what stuff will be up to you.

Start with some self sufficiency trials in the house. Cook your own meals for a twenty four hour period or a complete weekend. I would add that the food should be shelf stable and set aside for that purpose. Use only from that store. And clean up also. Use only items that you have set aside for a kit. A pot? A cup? Keep in mind that this needs to fit a backpack. Make up a first aid kit. Do you have a backpack? Sleep on the floor, collecting your bedding every morning. Designate a water container, and use only it. Treat any trip to the faucet to refill as a trip to a spring, boil it before drinking.

I could go on and on with things you could do in the confines of home, and will be glad to if you wish. I think that approach will show some initiative, and you'll learn a lot of things too.

Sourdough

12-31-2012, 09:58 PM

So........Have you been raised by your mother........With NO man time......??? Other than school teachers, do you have much experience around men.....???

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