Chuck Woolery on Assault Weapons

[ElevenBravo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o

Guns dont kill people, nutjubs with guns kill people. Seriously.

Andrew

[canid]

Well said. This fundamental flaw in our approach to weapons policy is the presumption that we should need one or other specific reason to want to exercise a constitutional right. I never saw the words 'sporting purpose' in that document at all.

[ElevenBravo]

As long as outlaws, LEO and military forces can and will have certain weapons, we too should have the right to own similar weapons (Short of full auto with FFL III, which IMHO is cost prohibitive).

2A was intended on the people having the power to revolt against a tyrant force, which is hell bound on taking your liberty and freedoms as guaranteed by the constitution and it's amendments. Also against threats less than that, IE: personal defense.

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. <- Read it again.

More educational reading on the importance of 2A:
https://www.google.com/search?q=a+gun+behind+every+blade+of+grass&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


Thanks,
Andrew

[kyratshooter]

Well said. This fundamental flaw in our approach to weapons policy is the presumption that we should need one or other specific reason to want to exercise a constitutional right. I never saw the words 'sporting purpose' in that document at all.

I just wished to reinforce this statement by posting a link to another forum I visit, in Great Britian.

http://forum.survivaluk.net/showthread.php?tid=3775&pid=39680#pid39680

I remember after the 1968 GCA was passed when one was required to have persmission of the highest local law officer to purchase a handgun. They could deny, hold the form indefinately or simply make you jump through hoops.

[ElevenBravo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

As far as I can read, in plain and simple terms, "shall not be infringed" is pretty elementary language.

CCW permits and FFL 3 for FA are, in basic terms, violations of 2A... so you can easily see, the molestation of the Constitution has already been in place for a long time...

The fore fathers knew what could possibly lay ahead, by way of previous experiences... they wanted to insure that the citizens of the new nation would continue to be citizens... and not subjects.

I cannot for the life of me, envision how the 2A could be miss interpreted... But hey, thats just me.

Andrew

[ElevenBravo]

1968 GCA
For further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

[canid]

2A was intended on the people having the power to revolt against a tyrant force, which is hell bound on taking your liberty and freedoms as guaranteed by the constitution and it's amendments. Also against threats less than that, IE: personal defense.

Certainly, but even that is a justification, not a limitation of scope and applicability. The wording is quite clear on this.

E.G.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
And not

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed for that purpose.

[kyratshooter]

Keep in mind that the militia was every male beween 15 and 55 and "well regulated" ment properly equipped.

The militia was to be furnished with technology equil to the standing army in order to properly resist the use of the standing army in the hands of a despot.

The Federalist Papers are saturated with these guarentees against despotism, controls over the branches of government, and the ability of the populace to resist as the final protection.

[jmarshnh]

How many Democrooks really care about the Federalist Papers, or for that matter the Constitution?:(
Jim

[canid]

Most of us. Or at least most of us for the later part, and those of us who wish to understand the concerns, and thought processes involved in the framing of the constitution for the former.

[ElevenBravo]

At one time there was, but now there is not much division on Dem or Repub, and please not let this skew to a political debate, its about our rights not political parties.

[crashdive123]

OK boys - I guess we need a reminder...

Leave the Democrat/Republican, Left/Right out of it.

[jmarshnh]

OK boys - I guess we need a reminder...

Leave the Democrat/Republican, Left/Right out of it.

Sorry

Jim

[canid]

Me too. I try, I really do. It's the ADHD.

[2dumb2kwit]

Me too. I try, I really do. It's the ADHD.

We unders....squirrel!!!

[crashdive123]

It's a tough thing to do when passions run high.

[pete lynch]

OK boys - I guess we need a reminder...

Leave the Democrat/Republican, Left/Right out of it.

Thank you.

[LowKey]

I remember after the 1968 GCA was passed when one was required to have persmission of the highest local law officer to purchase a handgun. They could deny, hold the form indefinately or simply make you jump through hoops.
We have this now in Massachusetts. Licensing is left up to the discretion of the Chief of Police in the town you happen to live in. 'Additional' requirements vary by town; anything from no additions to doctors's notes to having to range-qualify, which are not written in the law. And recently the state Gun Owners Action League had to get the AG's office involved because some officials aren't obeying the 40-day accept/deny law. Some lawful gun owners are being forced into semi-felonious possession of firearms simply because the state can't 'keep up' with license renewals (wait time in some towns is now 6 months to a year for a renewal), let alone process new applications (some towns have a 3 month wait just to see the licensing officer). Anyone going for a renewal is highly advised to get a signed, stamped receipt from the PD to show they have at least applied for renewal.
It's making everyone wonder where their $100 fee per license is going.

There has been talk that the MA system is the system Obama is looking at to model a new Federal system on? We've been hearing that here on the NPR radio stations.
Try reading MA gun law - turn pages all the way to section 131P (if you make it without puking, you get the Cast Iron Stomach award):
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131
Bear in mind this doesn't even include the hunting laws...No high powered rifles can be used for hunting in MA (due mostly to population density). I'm sure the Fed's will figure if we can do it, you can too.

Or don't read it. <shrug>

Remember, Obamacare is fashioned after MassHealth.
Good luck with that too.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/news/economy/massachusetts_healthcare_reform.fortune/index.htm
(I chose that article because it was written pre-election, without the election spin added.)

[Warheit]

The second amendment was never created for you to use it as an excuse to own assault weapons. Anyone who claims that has a disingenuous and frayed view of the Founding Fathers and the documents that supported and cemented America's creation.

[ElevenBravo]

2A was also never designed to exclude assault weapons, or "so they are called". Because, factually, an assault weapon is full auto. Never the less, opinions by the under educated in liberty, firearms and freedom and how they are tightly knitted together will vary person to person. This is one reason 2A is always a heated debate, even though it was written in terms that an elementary school child could understand... "shall not be..." is not awfully complicated to comprehend.

[canid]

Simply put, this is not a question of what was intended, but of what the law plainly says we may do and may not do. Infringing the right to bear arms is one we may not do. Infringe has a very specific meaning. If you do not like that, you are welcome to try to have the Consitution further amended, or the amendment repealed. That is the only legal process. I don't see it working out all that well.

If we were discussing an ambiguous point of wording there would be room for the Supreme Court to rule on interpretation of intent, but in this case, we are discussing points on which legislation and court rulings have acted in direct contravention of an unambiguous Constitutional guarantee. This is not supposed to be allowed to happen.

[kyratshooter]

The second amendment was never created for you to use it as an excuse to own assault weapons. Anyone who claims that has a disingenuous and frayed view of the Founding Fathers and the documents that supported and cemented America's creation.

The "shot heard around the world" was not fired to protect grandad's single shot shogun! It was fired to protect the equipment and the militia stores of the Mass colony. That militia was made up if every able bodied adult male in the colony.

Jefferson's first draft of the Virginia Constitution states the words,"No fee man shall be debarred the use of arms."

That is very clear intent and view on the founder's thought processes.

[canid]

I still think we're getting off point (or at least putting outselves at greater risk of spiraling into arguments of opinion) to focus on discussions of intent more than is unnecessary.

[kyratshooter]

So it depends on what your definition of "IS" is!

A quotation of statement is not an opinion other than that of the person quoted. If the person being quoted wrote the Declaration of Independence and assisted in the construction of the U.S. Constitution that is specific statement of a founder of the nation, not my interpretation.

[canid]

You're missing the point. The conversation is one worth having, but one much harder to have in good faith to the forums's rules regarding political discussion, whereas the letter of the law itself has my position [and I believe yours as well] well covered on it's own.

[JPGreco]

The problem as I see it, as with many other issues, is as follows:

We all have our rights, but nobody has the right to infringe on another person's rights, correct?

So then how do we, as a nation, go about an issue that on one hand is a right of the free and law abiding, while at the same time can infringe upon the rights of the free and law abiding? Everything that infringed on others rights that were in no way a realistic right of the infringer(sic) has been taken care of (ie slavery, equal rights, etc). By giving the people who did not have rights in those cases the rights they deserved, nobody else's rights were infringed on.

So how do I, as a generally law abiding citizen, maintain my right to own a firearm, while also protecting the innocent from the crazy? By asking that question, its clear that the legality of guns becomes almost a moot point. I say almost because without a doubt, SOME gun crime would be abolished by making guns illegal. However, in this country and the current climate, I would dare say some gun crime would also increase. This is only my opinion though.

I'm fine with the registration of fire arms and background checks for firearms. I know not all may agree with me, but a felon has already shown that they don't generally respect the rights of others. Though I would be for some kind of system that would allow for certain felons to be permitted to have a firearm based on a variety of criteria and time frame to show they have repented.

Also I'm fine with mental checks on owners. Again being that your right to have something is not greater than another's right to life. If you've shown violent tendency or the inability to recognize right and wrong, you don't have the right to a firearm due to the fact that you are a risk to another's right to life.

The last two statements do not infringe in any way your right to own a weapon unless you've shown disregard to other's rights.

In the most recent case, it is possible that it would have never happened (I do not mention the shooter by name as a matter of opinion) if guns were illegal. As the guns used were basically standard guns grabbed by a lunatic. The more pressing question is why they weren't secured in a home with a individual with a known violent tendency? Could a gun safe have stopped this incident as well? Or would this person have sat in his room making pipe bombs instead? There are too many questions that aren't able to be answered.

I'm not a person for woulda coulda either as I recognize the ease and attraction of guns. I'm a realist in many ways. I also know if I want something illegal, I can get it. If I want to kill someone, I can do it. Laws are the last thing that stop an individual who is truly bent on doing something.

[canid]

That problem is exactly why the phrase 'notwithstanding any other [blank]' is one of the most common phrases in modern legalese, and is even in itself ambiguous in alternations of the use.

[BENESSE]

There's something reminiscent here of people who are against death penalty saying, it doesn't deter crime.
IMO it does...at the very least it'll deter the criminal who is being killed. No repeat offense, there. I'll take what I can get. :sneaky2:

[1776]

The second amendment was never created for you to use it as an excuse to own assault weapons. Anyone who claims that has a disingenuous and frayed view of the Founding Fathers and the documents that supported and cemented America's creation.

My 2 cents.
We live in an age of powerful technology never envisioned by the founders. High speed printing presses, radio, tv, the Internet, home printers, smart phones, pc's and every bit of it is protected by the first amendment an every bit of it is supposed to be protected from unwarranted search and seizure they have become the method of free speech. They are our papers and our effects and not one of them is mentioned with specivity in the constitution. The founders were brilliant they gave our rights based upon principle. They did not confine those rights to the tech of their time. People of that time generally had and used better tech than the government itself. They pushed the envelope and acquired better weapons, better commo, better convinences for living better lives because the founders wanted free people to be and remain free. But that is just my humble opinion.

[canid]

Hehehe. Fair enough, but no criminal can go around the electric chair's back and buy one of these (http://www.creativegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/1up1.jpg).

Not much of an argument, but I'm driking my lunch beer now.

[JPGreco]

Pretty much Canid... lol


The first and second amendment are the only two that have implications of infringing on others rights when exercising your own. As such, they are the only ones constantly under criticism and reinterpretation.
Also unfortunately, those leading the discussion are often ruled by emotion or the pursuit of power, so of course, an actual intelligent discussion on the topics is often near impossible.

[BENESSE]

True 'nough JPG.
I'm settling for semi-intelligent. Times are hard.

[ElevenBravo]

So how do I, as a generally law abiding citizen, maintain my right to own a firearm, while also protecting the innocent from the crazy?


If I want to kill someone, I can do it. Laws are the last thing that stop an individual who is truly bent on doing something.

Part 1: Honestly, short of arming every citizen to protect them selves, I dont know what the answer is. And Im not sure that is a good answer either.... I do know as a gun owner and believer in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, the answer to that question is one we all wish we could provide! I dont think its a simple problem to solve, I do know that "banning certain firearms" is not the solution... Its a knee jerk reaction to a serious problem IMHO.

Part 2: True, very true. Anything can be used as a weapon, depending on how you hold it. I can show you how a rolled up news paper can be used as a serious weapon... Where do we draw the line?


Maybe controversial, but here goes... There are already laws about taking a gun onto school property, but that law, did not stop the shooter. Proof positive that more gun laws do not inhibit the criminal, only the law abiding citizen.

What about gun confiscation? Maybe far fetched, but the USSS/JBT of the future (in theory...) just might progress to that level... Who will have there weapons taken? Will all of the criminal element be effected the same as the LAC (Law Abiding Citizen)? You sure? Pinky promise?? I doubt it...

[BENESSE]

Just an aside...
People here wouldn't give a flying flick about ol' Chuck W but for the fact that he said what he said.
Had he taken the opposite side, he would have been dismissed as an antichrist at best.

[canid]

Don't assume too much. I tend to actually listen to people and respond to what they say, to the extent I'm able. I can think of several others around here who fit that bill pretty well too. I've seen you do it.

[JPGreco]

Canid, I do believe we could have a rather reasonable discussion on these boards.

There are two limiting factors here though.

First is that it would involve a lot of political discussion pertaining to individual politicians, parties, history, future, what we as citizens would need to do, etc.

Second is that I don't know if the anti gun group is represented here well. Being a wilderness board, most own or wish to own any number of weapons. You can only have an intelligent discussion of the dissenting opinion is available to express their views.

[ElevenBravo]

I honestly think the discussion, as a whole, as been much more civilized than anticipated, due largely in part to the type of membership that the forum attracts.

I also believe that the discussion can continue on a progressive direction without having to discuss politics or political parties. As I said, at one time there was a division.. now a days, all politicians are the same... crooked and power hungry. I cant align with a party due to this.

None the less, a particular party is not responsible for the act, nor could a party avoid such an act.. therefore I conclude that no party need be included in discussion of the topic.

At least, thats the way I see it...
Andrew

[BENESSE]

Canid, I do believe we could have a rather reasonable discussion on these boards.

There are two limiting factors here though.

First is that it would involve a lot of political discussion pertaining to individual politicians, parties, history, future, what we as citizens would need to do, etc.

Second is that I don't know if the anti gun group is represented here well. Being a wilderness board, most own or wish to own any number of weapons. You can only have an intelligent discussion of the dissenting opinion is available to express their views.

An intelligent discussion might be too dangerous.
Look how heated things get just among the pro gun people...can you imagine if a real anti gun person showed up here? Why, some members just might have a stroke or worse--leave in a huff.

[canid]

I think we mostly do ok. Am I wrong?

[Desert Rat!]

Just an aside...
People here wouldn't give a flying flick about ol' Chuck W but for the fact that he said what he said.
Had he taken the opposite side, he would have been dismissed as an antichrist at best. Actually I knew who he was, kind of enjoyed some of the shows he hosted and really never knew ( or cared ) what his political views where.

[ElevenBravo]

I just wanted to take the time to say, i posted the video not because of who was in the video, but what he said.

Thats all...
Andrew

[Desert Rat!]

Copy that ElevenBravo, no problem here.

[letslearntogether47]

Very intersesting....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWajf5RkDJ8

[Rick]

On page 20 of the Court's Opinion deals with what a "well regulated" militia actually means.

"...the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."

The court found that "militias" were not something created by the 2nd Amendment but were already in existence.

"Unlike armies and navies, which Congress is given the power to create (“to raise . . . Armies”; “to provide . . . a Navy,” Art. I, §8, cls. 12–13), the militia is assumed by Article I already to be in existence. Congress is given the power to “provide for calling forth the militia,” §8, cl. 15; and the power not to create, but to “organiz[e]” it—and not to organize “a” militia, which is what one would expect if the militia were to be a federal creation, but to organize “the” militia, connoting a body already in existence"

They also spell out the necessity of a militia on pages 24 and 25:

"There are many reasons why the militia was thought to be “necessary to the security of a free state.” See 3 Story §1890. First, of course, it is useful in repelling invasions and suppressing insurrections. Second, it renders large standing armies unnecessary—an argument that Alexander Hamilton made in favor of federal control over the militia. The Federalist No. 29, pp. 226, 227 (B. Wright ed. 1961) (A. Hamilton). Third, when the able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny."

They went on to explain:

"We reach the question, then: Does the preface fit with an operative clause that creates an individual right to keep and bear arms? It fits perfectly, once one knows the history that the founding generation knew and that we have described above. That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the ablebodied men was not by banning the militia but simply by taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress political opponents. This is what had occurred in England that prompted codification of the right to have arms in the English Bill of Rights.

The debate with respect to the right to keep and bear arms, as with other guarantees in the Bill of Rights, was not over whether it was desirable (all agreed that it was) but over whether it needed to be codified in the Constitution. During the 1788 ratification debates, the fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia was pervasive in Antifederalist rhetoric. See, e.g., Letters from The Federal Farmer III (Oct. 10, 1787), in 2 The Complete Anti-Federalist 234, 242 (H. Storing ed. 1981). John Smilie, for example, worried not only that Congress’s “command of the militia” could be used to create a “select militia,” or to have “no militia at all,” but also, as a separate concern, that “[w]hen a select militia is formed; the people in general may be disarmed.” 2 Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution 508–509 (M. Jensen ed. 1976) (hereinafter Documentary Hist.). Federalists responded that because Congress was given no power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, such a force could never oppress the people. See, e.g., A Pennsylvanian III (Feb. 20, 1788), in The 26 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER"

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf

It would be my interpretation and only mine that the Founders wrote the 2nd Amendment in an effort to protect the citizenry from THEM. They wanted to ensure that the citizens need not fear the government, which they were at the time. SCOTUS seems to be of that opinion as well. At least that's how I read it.

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