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sgtmcboom
12-07-2012, 10:48 PM
I have heard if you have to be in the position to have to use deadly force to defend yourself or family its better to have a stock looking non tactical gun because if you have to go to court for it the jury gets to see what weapon was used. I think you would have a better chance of getting charges dropped or non existant if the gun is like an old wood stock shotgun or something. I think that prosecution would try and make a target on you if you had a for instance ak47 and a drum mag on it for home defense.

Anyone have any input on this?

ElevenBravo
12-07-2012, 11:07 PM
Point well made, when it comes to litigation it may be a factor. Id rather grab an XD or Moss 500 than an AR. Something like an AR would in fact make a great defensive weapon, but it may be a bit in the overkill department and a lawyer somewhere will paint an ugly image in front of a jury.

Now, for MZBs, grab the AR first!

Theres something to be said for the distinctive sound of a pump action working that may be enough to cause an intruder to flee. I woulnt want to stick around and find out the details myself.

Andrew

rebel
12-07-2012, 11:22 PM
I've not thought of it that way. An old wheel gun like a 44 SA might be the way to go.

sgtmcboom
12-07-2012, 11:27 PM
I have a 3 shot 12 gage stevens pump from 1960 all stock with a shell holder and buck and slug not tactical I know but if it takes more then 3 shots I did something wrong lol.

GreatUsername
12-07-2012, 11:37 PM
In addition to the lovely sound of a pump action calling "stay and die, criminal", my vote would be for a shotgun on the grounds of safety to others in the house or nearby, particularly in a suburban area, as shot has the neighbor-saving habit of NOT punching through walls, where high-velocity rifle and pistol rounds in certain calibers, particularly if they aren't hollow points, could put innocent lives at risk. There is also the luxury of a wide selection of specialty rounds available, so if the intruder happens to just be some punk kid and not some hardened psychopath, you have the option of loading his backside full of rock salt instead of killing the poor guy. It was just such a choice that saved the life of my favorite highschool history teacher, though he did spend a few months in juviee for his trouble. According to him, rock salt REALLY gets the message across. Then of course, if you need to be EXTRA lethal, in the event of someone hell-bent on killing you, there are always slugs. For the versatility, the non-black-gun status, and the ability to not "shoot through schools", I support shotguns for home defense.

crashdive123
12-08-2012, 12:15 AM
If you use your weapon in a legal manner there should be no charges, regardless of what the weapon looks like. If you use your weapon in an irresponsible, reckless or illegal manner you should face the consequences, regardless of what the weapon looks like.

Echo2
12-08-2012, 12:27 AM
A pistol you can trust to work....if needed....the 12 vs 6 argument reigns supreme.

hunter63
12-08-2012, 12:45 PM
Shouldn't make a difference what your home protection looks like....If it's needed, it's needed.....that's all I need to know.
Take care of the problem, now...discuss it later.
Not real big on tactical stuff much, anyway.

But please, if you are gonna use something, make sure it's loaded and ready, but safely....Kids do visit this house.

My preferance is shotgun as well, don't need to aim in the dark as much.

"The sound of jacking a round in a pump will scare the bejesus out of a bad guy", as far as I'm concern is complete BS....Just means you really don't want to shoot and hope they will wet them selves and leave....Not a bad thing, but chancy....
1) You will be one round down, no matter what.
2) You will give away your position....safety pushed is much quieter.

Why not just a "freeze"?

Woodmaster750
12-08-2012, 02:20 PM
+1, on what crashdive123 said...

Chris
12-08-2012, 02:53 PM
It depends. The over penetration of a rifle in a residential area would concern me. I also agree with Crash that the weapon should be, and likely would be, irrelevant from a criminal justice standpoint. On the other hand, if the assailant was also armed, I think I might want that rifle (or at the very least a semiauto shotgun, something with a faster rate of fire than a pump), if for instance I knew I would be a floor above (with all friendlies) and shooting downward towards the bad guys. If you had to pick one, I guess the shotgun would be it. I would be happiest with both though (and then some, to be honest).

Seniorman
12-08-2012, 04:06 PM
As others have said, your biggest concern is not "tactical this" and "tactical that:" your biggest concern is if you were legally justified in shooting the criminal who broke into your home. It is imperative for each person to know the laws regarding self defense in his State. The laws regarding justified self defense in my State are meaningless to someone in another State. Check 'em out, boys and girls. Better now than later.

Also, although it is rarer today than in the past, you'll still sometimes run on to some brain-dead dunce who says, "If you shoot someone outside, don't worry, just drag his body in the house and tell the cops he broke in. Wink wink, har har har."

Do that, boys and girls, and you'll find yourself in the slam very quickly with some very, very serious charges being filed against you.

In a criminal investigation of a self defense situation, a "good shoot" is a "good shoot." If it is not in accordance with your State's laws, you've got yourself a problem.

Be certain of your laws.

S.M.

Phaedrus
12-08-2012, 05:00 PM
Relying on the sound of racking the slide to chamber a shell highlights one fatal flaw- it means you entered a potential gunfight with an unloaded gun. An unloaded gun (sans bayonet anyway) will fall somewhere between awkward club and useless paperweight in a fight.

ElevenBravo
12-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Makes no sense... Once you rack a round, the weapon is NO LONGER unloaded and thus in ready mode... Your post makes no sense to me. I still say a 500 12ga or similar is the ultimate home defense gun (close quarters) and has an intimidation factor of 100%.

BTW, I am a firm believer that if the presentation of force is enough to cause the intruder to flee, then the weapon did its job regardless if a round was ever fired, or even if the trigger was ever fingered. (Like having a nuke, the other guy dont want to find out if you will actually press the button, having knowledge you have said weapon may be deterrent enough).

Remember, the objective is to BE SAFE, not necessarily by way of actually discharging a weapon into the aggressor.... Common sense dictates thats the last resort.

But do as you wish... Its your AK and your home, hope you can afford a really good lawyer when you are "sneaking up on the bad guy to get a good kill shot".

In closing, you will NEVER get past my dog to even hear the rack...

Andrew

deafdave3
12-08-2012, 07:03 PM
I have heard if you have to be in the position to have to use deadly force to defend yourself or family its better to have a stock looking non tactical gun because if you have to go to court for it the jury gets to see what weapon was used. I think you would have a better chance of getting charges dropped or non existant if the gun is like an old wood stock shotgun or something. I think that prosecution would try and make a target on you if you had a for instance ak47 and a drum mag on it for home defense.

Anyone have any input on this?

Use any gun you are comfortable with in any self-defense situation. If you have to shoot to save your life or the life of family, the last thing you wanna worry about is how the gun looks. Years ago, in Baton Rouge, a Japanese foreign exchange student walked up someone's drive way. This someone yelled at him to stop, several times. The student continued and was shot by the homeowner with his .50 Desert Eagle, which is an enormous, scary lookin' handgun. He was found not guilty.


Relying on the sound of racking the slide to chamber a shell highlights one fatal flaw- it means you entered a potential gunfight with an unloaded gun. An unloaded gun (sans bayonet anyway) will fall somewhere between awkward club and useless paperweight in a fight.

Incorrect. Once the slide is racked, the gun is loaded. That is plenty enough time before the fight actually starts, or even enough to scare the intruder away long before he sees you.

LowKey
12-08-2012, 07:29 PM
Assuming you have time to rack the slide on an unloaded shotgun...I think that was the point anyway.
Very important to check your local laws.
And the local gun climate. There are some states where the look of the gun you use could, and would, most definitely be used against you in court.
Or the civil suit/wrongful death claims later.

sgtmcboom
12-08-2012, 07:46 PM
thats true civil suit for wrongfull death would be the big issue. Look what happened to OJ found "not guilty" but had to pay millions and millions after the fact.

crashdive123
12-08-2012, 07:56 PM
thats true civil suit for wrongfull death would be the big issue. Look what happened to OJ found "not guilty" but had to pay millions and millions after the fact.

Not quite. While the verdict was for him to pay a large sum of money - he has not paid a cent. His money was well "protected".

sgtmcboom
12-08-2012, 08:06 PM
well he got sued for millions and millions lol. If it was me I wouldent have been able to afford the high price lawyers.

deafdave3
12-08-2012, 09:03 PM
Nowadays, the "Castle Doctrine" protects folks who protect themselves this way. They aren't even allowed to file a civil suit against the victim.

hunter63
12-08-2012, 09:11 PM
Nowadays, the "Castle Doctrine" protects folks who protect themselves this way. They aren't even allowed to file a civil suit against the victim.

You need to know the laws in YOUR state......They just passed the castle law in WI last year, after the CCL......and these are not the sa,e laws in all states.

crashdive123
12-08-2012, 09:39 PM
+1 on what H63 said. Castle Doctrine is a very generic term used by states. Some are much stronger in protecting the legal use of a weapon. Florida's is very strong, but as evidenced by the George Zimmerman arrest and upcoming trial it does not mean that you are immune. That trial will determine whether or not Florida's stand your ground laws were in play - not wanting to debate a particular case here - just showing an example.

http://source.southuniversity.edu/castle-doctrine-from-state-to-state-46514.aspx

sgtmcboom
12-08-2012, 09:50 PM
Yeah I was just thinking worse case if you had to go infront of a jury and they showed your firearm to the jury would a seiga 12 with 20rd drum and giant muzzle break and laser sight on it or an old beater stock pump shotgun. I just know that people see large guns or "black" guns and get scared. So I dont see that a jury of people would be any different.

2dumb2kwit
12-08-2012, 09:55 PM
N.C. has some screwed up laws. If someone is breaking into your house while you're in it, you can shoot them.(It's OK to shoot them through the door they are trying to break through.) If they actually get into you're house while you're in it, you can no longer shoot them unless they are obviously a threat to your life. (Using the same guidelines as if you were both in some parking lot, or street.)

2dumb2kwit
12-08-2012, 10:00 PM
Just a side note...If you are thinking about one of those "tacticool" black shotguns, with the two pistol grips, you may want to actually shoot one before you buy one. I'd much rather shoot a "regular" shotgun, than one of those wrist abusing pieces of.....well, you get my point. :yawnb:
(Assuming that we are shooting from the hip.)

sgtmcboom
12-08-2012, 10:25 PM
I am going to pick up a seiga 12 and mod it the way it should have came in AK style. I do not want a large drum clip tho just like 4-6 10 rd mags and a folding stock to put in my inch bag lol.

Old Professor
12-08-2012, 10:30 PM
Generally, shooting to wound will get you arrested ie: "giving them a backside of rock salt" You shoot to stop the threat by lethal force and stop shooting when the threat stops! There was a case last week in Wisconsin where a man shot two teenage intruders -multiple times, including a coup de grace shot to the head. He is charged with murder!!

"Black Guns" in home defense can be easily justified by how handicapped the home owner my be. In my case I can no longer raise a gun to shoulder level My choice of home defense is a Mossberg SA 20 ga semi auto with a pistol grip and a laser sight that I can fire from port arms. I used to think that semi auto .223 cal pistols (which look like an AR with out the butt stock) where a solution in search of a problem but since I can't raise my AR to my shoulder I have reconsidered their usefulness. With a laser sight, they would be a solution for me IF I wanted to shoot a rifle cartridge for home defense. Still, i would choose the shotgun first.

hunter63
12-08-2012, 10:32 PM
Just a side note...If you are thinking about one of those "tacticool" black shotguns, with the two pistol grips, you may want to actually shoot one before you buy one. I'd much rather shoot a "regular" shotgun, than one of those wrist abusing pieces of.....well, you get my point. :yawnb:
(Assuming that we are shooting from the hip.)

Rodger that, they look cool, but I did shoot one that belonged to a buddy, as I was thinking I needed one as well with 3" mags.....I'll stick to the old style

Chris
12-08-2012, 11:39 PM
I always laugh when they shoot a sawed off pistol grip 12 ga in the movies. I suppose it is believable if you're Arnold and theoretically a robot in the movie, but on humans it is just silly.

deafdave3
12-09-2012, 12:16 AM
You need to know the laws in YOUR state......They just passed the castle law in WI last year, after the CCL......and these are not the sa,e laws in all states.

I am very well versed with the laws of both my home states. I never said this was for all 50 states.

deafdave3
12-09-2012, 01:04 AM
N.C. has some screwed up laws. If someone is breaking into your house while you're in it, you can shoot them.(It's OK to shoot them through the door they are trying to break through.) If they actually get into you're house while you're in it, you can no longer shoot them unless they are obviously a threat to your life.

That really sucks, but Louisiana is somewhat similar. First off all, in LA, you can't shoot through a wall or door. At all. So, if I know that someone is on the other side of the front door visiting with an intention to hurt someone in our home, I can't pull the trigger until he comes into full view. Like, your state of NC, we can't actually shoot anyone unless they are a threat, but in LA, you can ASSUME the intruder is a threat, then shoot. Strange.

However, on the plus side, here in Texas is different. Not only can you shoot an intruder for any reason, you can actually use deadly force to protect your property. A few weeks ago, I noticed someone was stealing my fuel. I had my roommate call the sheriff's office and ask for a deputy to come out here and talk to me. After I explained simply that someone is stealing my fuel and filing a report, I asked him what I can do about future incidents, including when I catch him. His response was, "put a locking cap on."

Obviously this made me a little annoyed, but my next question was, "isn't it legal to use deadly force to protect your property in Texas?" He was a little taken aback. He said, "yeah, it is, but I'd much rather you not do that. Call us, and we'll take care of it." That annoyed me even more, so I ended the conversation.

LowKey
12-09-2012, 01:24 AM
Yep. Might have ended the conversation, but announced on an online forum your intent to kill over some stolen fuel.
Good luck with that court case.

deafdave3
12-09-2012, 01:29 AM
Yep. Might have ended the conversation, but announced on an online forum your intent to kill over some stolen fuel.
Good luck with that court case.

I'm not really worried about it. No disrespect intended to you, though.

Geek
12-09-2012, 12:09 PM
Personally, I think noisy dogs, especially large ones, are the first line of defense. You have a much better situation if you have warning someone is approaching.

hunter63
12-09-2012, 01:20 PM
.................... There was a case last week in Wisconsin where a man shot two teenage intruders -multiple times, including a coup de grace shot to the head. He is charged with murder!!..............
.

Haven't seen this one, do you have a reference?

hunter63
12-09-2012, 01:23 PM
I am very well versed with the laws of both my home states. I never said this was for all 50 states.

These posts are read by people all over the world.....You may be well versed, many others may not......Just a clarification.

Old Professor
12-10-2012, 12:41 PM
Hunter63, I can't give you a specific document reference, but if you Google Wisconsin shootings it will probably come up. It was on my Charter.com news feed for several days.

hunter63
12-10-2012, 01:01 PM
Hunter63, I can't give you a specific document reference, but if you Google Wisconsin shootings it will probably come up. It was on my Charter.com news feed for several days.

Did a search on Charter.com..... http://www.charter.net/search/index.php?context=news&tab=Web&q=wisconsin+teen+shootings

Not much new stuff showed up.

The only reason I questioned it was simply the local (Milwaukee) major networks, can't hardly wait to spout the evils of firearms, news...anything even remotely related will do, and this hasn't been discussed at all to my knowlage.

As our CC carry has only been effect for a little over a year, and the "castle law" has not even been effect for a year yet....anything along these lines is be news.

MiddleWolf
12-10-2012, 04:21 PM
In our apartment situation I vote for the shotgun. But, double 00 buck for sure.

Geek
12-10-2012, 04:29 PM
Maybe the answer is just paint your home defense gun pink? I imagine a jury confronted with a Pink (insert weapon of choice) would have a hard time viewing the defendant as an out of control hothead.

hunter63
12-10-2012, 05:40 PM
Maybe the answer is just paint your home defense gun pink? I imagine a jury confronted with a Pink (insert weapon of choice) would have a hard time viewing the defendant as an out of control hothead.

LOL, Ya know I thought of that.....who can be afraid of a pink gun?.....
We put one of the pink Taurus snub nose .38 in a Woman's Raffle at our DU Dinner event.....You should have seen tha guys buying tickets....never had that happen before.

deafdave3
12-10-2012, 06:06 PM
LOL, Ya know I thought of that.....who can be afraid of a pink gun?.....
We put one of the pink Taurus snub nose .38 in a Woman's Raffle at our DU Dinner event.....You should have seen tha guys buying tickets....never had that happen before.

That comment reminded me of a scene in Tyler Perry's "Madea: Witness Protection." Madea is sitting in her car when suddenly a young, masked thug sat up from the driver's seat and demanded her money. He pointed a small handgun at her face. She made the comment, "that's a cute little gun, boy. now get out of my car." That was funny.

BTW, it was a cute little gun.

jmarshnh
12-10-2012, 06:48 PM
That shooting was in MN not WI. Byron Smith is charged with two counts second degree murder. Happened on Thanksgiving day. Google Byron Smith, teens shot.
Jim

JPGreco
12-10-2012, 07:29 PM
Nowadays, the "Castle Doctrine" protects folks who protect themselves this way. They aren't even allowed to file a civil suit against the victim.

Information like this is piss poor. My state does not have a castle doctrine in regards to shooting an intruder just cause they are an intruder. My state mandates that all avenues of escape must be unavailable before I use lethal force. So if my bedroom is on the first floor, I have to climb out the window or prove that I was unable to flee. The key to my state's law is something about making an informed decision, which is kind of difficult in the heat of the moment. The problem in the NY castle doctrine (which exists) is two fold; the way it is written and being a blue state (not to be political, just saying NY isn't the most gun friendly state). I don't know if it also protects against civil action.

Most of my friends actually think I'm a bit odd when I comment about my support about that young mother who shot the intruder through the door and the little boy who shot an intruder in defense of his sister. Even when not knowing what those individuals actually wanted (the problem my friends have), the way I see it, if they are uninvited and in your home and you have no idea what they want, you have the right to assume the worst(especially nowadays) and the right to shoot to kill.

As for the shotgun discussion, I know mine has a safety in thumbs reach of my hand on the trigger. I just need to get the gun checked out to make sure its safe for use (its about 30 yrs old)

Geek
12-10-2012, 09:54 PM
That comment reminded me of a scene in Tyler Perry's "Madea: Witness Protection." Madea is sitting in her car when suddenly a young, masked thug sat up from the driver's seat and demanded her money. He pointed a small handgun at her face. She made the comment, "that's a cute little gun, boy. now get out of my car." That was funny.

BTW, it was a cute little gun.

So while the perp is laughing, . . . you can resolve the situation in an appropriate manner. :-)

hunter63
12-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Hunter63, I can't give you a specific document reference, but if you Google Wisconsin shootings it will probably come up. It was on my Charter.com news feed for several days.

Thanks for the follow up.....I watch the news in WI as it relates to the CC law and Castle law as the just passed in the last year....and a lot of misinformation around.

2dumb2kwit
12-11-2012, 04:19 PM
Back to the O.P.....if you're trying to defend your home against cold winter drafts, I would suggest a good caulking gun. One can more than pay for itself, in saved heating cost.:whistling:

Echo2
12-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Back to the O.P.....if you're trying to defend your home against cold winter drafts, I would suggest a good caulking gun. One can more than pay for itself, in saved heating cost.:whistling:

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y484/echo26c/wongonsomanylevels.jpg

1776
12-14-2012, 04:51 PM
Having recently sat on a murder trial jury I have rethought my choice of home defense weapons. I will go for the revolvers first. The victim in the case was shot in the hand first taking off his index and middle finger putting one hand out of action. He did manage to make it to his own unloaded automatic pistol but do to injury couldn't get into operation. With no children in our home I keep my revolver loaded and accessible and would be my go to weapon. Because I can operate it with either hand and malfunctions are resolved by pulling the trigger. Pump shot guns should probably have a pistol grip on the pump so you could rack the slide on your thigh or object. Semiauto shotguns could probably be charge by placing the bolt hanndle against a solid object. But neither are as one hand friendly as a revolver.

le Metis
12-14-2012, 06:29 PM
Having recently sat on a murder trial jury I have rethought my choice of home defense weapons. I will go for the revolvers first. The victim in the case was shot in the hand first taking off his index and middle finger putting one hand out of action. He did manage to make it to his own unloaded automatic pistol but do to injury couldn't get into operation. With no children in our home I keep my revolver loaded and accessible and would be my go to weapon. Because I can operate it with either hand and malfunctions are resolved by pulling the trigger. Pump shot guns should probably have a pistol grip on the pump so you could rack the slide on your thigh or object. Semiauto shotguns could probably be charge by placing the bolt hanndle against a solid object. But neither are as one hand friendly as a revolver.

I've rethought this too....however, my goto remains the shotgun. It's been modified with a small flash gun common to photograhpers. Looks a little weird. But, it's a tactical advantage that an intruder isn't expecting.

Daniel Nighteyes
12-14-2012, 07:08 PM
Nowadays, the "Castle Doctrine" protects folks who protect themselves this way. They aren't even allowed to file a civil suit against the victim.

Hate to disillusion you (or anyone else), but the Castle Doctrine is only good in some states; it is not good in others. Please, folks, let us all refrain from giving "universal" advice, primarily because there is no such thing.

What works well in Texas (etc.) will get you convicted in other states. There is no substitute for knowing the laws -- and the courtroom tendencies -- that apply to your own home state.

Daniel Nighteyes
12-14-2012, 07:25 PM
I'm not really worried about it. No disrespect intended to you, though.

You really ought to be worried about it.

Should it come down to it, your online comments can swim right up to you in the courtroom and take a big bite out of your, ah, defense. In courtroom terms, comments like yours speak to the key legal concept of "intent". An expressed & documented intent takes the matter out of the realm of "self-defense" and deposits it in the realm of "second-degree murder." A really crafty and ambitious assistant district attorney might even be able to ramp it up to first-degree murder. Do the words "in a world of sh*t" sound familiar to you?

You can rail, and shout, and "yes-but", and gnash your teeth to your heart's content. None of it will change the law of the land and how it can be applied to a specific case.

Ya see, we all need to really understand what "the law of the land" truly is, and how it commonly plays out in the courtroom.

Regards, and sincerest best wishes,

-- Nighteyes

1776
12-14-2012, 10:38 PM
I've rethought this too....however, my goto remains the shotgun. It's been modified with a small flash gun common to photograhpers. Looks a little weird. But, it's a tactical advantage that an intruder isn't expecting.

So perhaps you might put a revolver in your belt with a sg in hand and I should do the same thing. The best of both worlds. Providing we get the time to so arm ourselves. Reality is often far different and more dynamic than we ever imagine. In home invasion or criminal activity our assailent will have the upper hand. We begin at a grevious disadvantage. We go from peace to life and death. They go from murderous intent to murder. Ours is the great leap they are already committed to action. I grant that the 12ga sg is THE champion self defense weapon at close range just be prepared to operate it one handed or have a back up.

le Metis
12-15-2012, 12:03 AM
So perhaps you might put a revolver in your belt with a sg in hand and I should do the same thing. The best of both worlds. Providing we get the time to so arm ourselves. Reality is often far different and more dynamic than we ever imagine. In home invasion or criminal activity our assailent will have the upper hand. We begin at a grevious disadvantage. We go from peace to life and death. They go from murderous intent to murder. Ours is the great leap they are already committed to action. I grant that the 12ga sg is THE champion self defense weapon at close range just be prepared to operate it one handed or have a back up.

I suspect you're seeing the world from a suburban perspective. Here in rural Virgina, we know our neighbors and everyone here is armed, well armed. The majority of us our hunters, many of us with military training in their use. It's just not a very healthy enviroment for those with a criminal mindset to come poking about in the darkness of night. Our guns are always close by, and our dogs like fresh meat...

Wildthang
12-15-2012, 08:48 AM
I always figured that if somebody tries to break into my house with us here, I will simply find a good defensive location, wait for them to break in, and then make the decision to either shoot them or wound them depending on how many and what they are packing. Well, at least that's the first plan and there can be many scenarios. I think if a victim shows a little caution and thought about whether to really kill somebody, and determine the real threat, they will most likely stay on the right side of the law.

1776
12-15-2012, 09:47 AM
I suspect you're seeing the world from a suburban perspective. Here in rural Virgina, we know our neighbors and everyone here is armed, well armed. The majority of us our hunters, many of us with military training in their use. It's just not a very healthy enviroment for those with a criminal mindset to come poking about in the darkness of night. Our guns are always close by, and our dogs like fresh meat...

Yea the case was in the city. Additionally it was premedited. It was also home invasion type the murder basically followed victim into the house through unlocked door. I to live in a rural environment and know my neighbors all of whom are reasonably sane. The dogs also are a big plus best security system needs no grid runs on a bag of ol'roy for the better part of a month though prefers squirrel and rabbit. That said my primary point is about being able to fight one handed and revolvers seem to be the best option in my thinking to date though I could be dissuaded. I concur that it would be best to arm your self find cover and let an assailent come to you providing there is time. The Vic in the above case had no time and was taken by total surprise. In my opinion his biggest mistake is that he didn't charge the assailent, sop for reaction to near ambush (they were only 5-7ft at the commencement of the firing)rather he ran thru the house towards his gun and took multiple his as he did so.

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