View Full Version : Calibre Suggestions
marberry
03-11-2008, 09:36 AM
Im planning on buying a bolt action rifle in the 500 - 2000 range, im looking for something that can make 5 inch shot groups at 400 yards and 15 inch at 800 yards , preferably with enough energy to take down a moose at up to 200 yards. Anyone think of a good caliber ? my requirements are: under $2 a round , handleable recoil (no .50 BMG) , not excessively loud (quieter then a 30-06)? im very picky , i know but thats why im asking the experts :D
15 inches at 800 yards is not good shooting. You're gonna need a scope too, what scope do you have in mind. Never put a $40.00 scope on a $1000.00 rifle and never put a $1000.00 scope on a $200.00 dollar rifle. For long distance shooting I use a Remington 700 chambered in the Wichester .300 magnum, it'll drop anything on this planet. On top sits a Redfield Auctrack Scope but that's just me.
Your looking for a long distance shooter that's quiet, I'd try a .270 Winchester or a .25-06 Remington.
In the end its about shot placement, you owe it to the animal you're hunting to put it down fast and painlessly.
In the end its about shot placement, you owe it to the animal you're hunting to put it down fast and painlessly.
You owe it to yourself not to have to chase the poor thing for 2 or 3 days to finish it off also.
awfoxden
03-11-2008, 11:29 AM
I agree with Beowolf.
a couple of other caliber choices could also be the 300wsm, 7mm wsm, 270wsm. in any great rifles
winchester
remington
browning
tikka (made by sako great rifle for the $)
savage also makes a decent rifle for the $
all for around $400-$650 new. the short mags in a bold work to decrease weight and length making them more packable without losing barrel length wile assisting with icreased accuracy and velocity.
put a good scope - leupold, or nikon would be good choices. I like the Burris full field II with bulistiplex in the 3x9x40. you can get any of these in a good basic set up for around $250.00
also look at glass bedding your new stock and getting a triger tune up or replace the existing triger. wil greatly assist with accuracy and can all be done for less than $1,000.00
another good option would be to look used. you can many time find great guns already set up for much less than $1000.00
then take the $ you saved and invest in a good reloading kit. you can reload high qualit bullets for a fraction of the cost and greatly increase the accuracy of any rifle by reloading by working up a round specific for you rifle. also adds to self reliance. huge increase in accuracy for substantial decrease in cost of high quality bullets.
Then go out and shoot, shoot, shoot. Don't forget to clean your gun after every time out shooting. if you elect to buy a new gun make sure you season your barrel by cleaning before you shoot. then clean your barrel about every 5 shots for the first 200 shots take.
As beowolf stated15 inches at 800 yards is not good shooting. with a little practice, good equipment, and good quality ammunition you should be able to reduce your group size dramatically.
one last thought. i've met very few people that we capapble of making responsible kill shots at 800 yards on anything. while i'm comfortable shooting out to this distance, when it comes to hunting any game me or any of my hunting buddies rarely shoot past 400 yards and i would say well over 90% of game we have taken has been within 200 yards. this said everyone should know their shooting limits as well as ethical limits and stay with in them.
good luck in finding your new rifle.
andy
ps sorry if seems like i jumped around - when i posted the first time it cut off most of the message so i attempted to quickly retype.
He's right about the ammo, I reload at a good friends house and personally don't think you'll get a better load than hand loading. Shooting at a distance is an aquired skill and just takes practice on top of practice and you gotta know what you can do and what your gun can do. I also agree with not taking shots out to 800 yards for game and most kills are 200 and under. However I do not agree with cleaning your new gun barrel after every 5 shots, but that's just me. If you get a new gun learn it, learn every inch of it and learn to take it apart, some may need a school or someone to show them this at first but knowing your gun, the correct ammo and load, what scope you have and what its limits are, are all things to consider when buyinh and using a new weapon.
Personally I go Flintlock :D that's just me though.
MedicineWolf
03-11-2008, 12:23 PM
.270 or .223 will work and you need a good scope, everything you shoot is going to be loud to your little sensitive ears, and aren't you like 16? At 800 it wouldn't matter because the bullet will hit before the game knows about the sound, but if take an 800 yard shot at a game animal then that's just bad hunting ethics.
Tactical Tom
03-11-2008, 12:53 PM
Out of the box, you can't beat the accuracy of a SAVAGE rifle ! I would check out a Model12 FVSS in .308;) I have a model12FV in .223 & it's a real tac driver ! You must also get a good scope ( leupold, nikon,redfield, weaver)
You can shoot 1000yd shots w/ a .308 & the ammo will not break the bank.
ryaninmichigan
03-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Out of the box, you can't beat the accuracy of a SAVAGE rifle ! I would check out a Model12 FVSS in .308;) I have a model12FV in .223 & it's a real tac driver ! You must also get a good scope ( leupold, nikon,redfield, weaver)
You can shoot 1000yd shots w/ a .308 & the ammo will not break the bank.
I have the heavy barel in 22-250. Best out of the box gun I agree
marberry
03-11-2008, 03:40 PM
i was thinking of a Tikka T3 Super Varmit in 308 win or 22-250 , it also comes in .223 rem and 6.5x55 (which i have never herd of) anyone know anything about them?
marberry
03-11-2008, 03:42 PM
that savage arms model 12 FV short action in .308 Win. is awesome , you say its accurate up to 100 yards?
ryaninmichigan
03-11-2008, 05:19 PM
What are planning on doing with it? That will determain my sudjestion. I like the 22-250 for yotes and things on the smaller side. I would not shoot a whitetail with it. For that I would grab my 30.06. This is arguably (sp) the best all round cartridge for North America.
beerrunner13
03-11-2008, 05:26 PM
I gotta agree with ya Ryan but he dosn't like the 30-06
You gun experts got me on this. A 200 yd moose gun that has rounds less than 2 bucks a shot. Hmmmmmm........
How about some ballistics and energy stats at the impact point. I would expect that taking a moose at 200yds, you would need a pretty stout gun.
But what do I know, if it is further than 30 yards, I put a stalk on it. I like to get in close, so close that I can count the ticks on it's neck, so close that I can see the arteries in the neck pumping blood.
Then I usually screw the pooch.
ryaninmichigan
03-11-2008, 09:32 PM
I agree closer is beter. I would not tske a shot on a moose at 200 yrds. 50 maybe
awfoxden
03-12-2008, 12:03 AM
i have the predisessor to the new tikka t3 in a 7mm mag. great smooth action and shoots awesome with a burris full field II with balistaplex 3-9x40. this has been my hunting rifle for the past several years and with a 165 grain barnes X i wouldn't heasitate to take anything in north america easily out to 300-400 yards (my max not the guns)
its not the cheapest.
and as i said earlier regardless of caliber (accept rimfire and possibly 223 due to price) look into reloading.
Sourdough
03-12-2008, 01:59 AM
A 4 bore is what you want. You can do anything with a 4 Bore. You can shoot 1" groups at 2,000 yards with a 4 bore. get you a good snub nose 4 bore. If you had a Scandium snubnose 4 bore you you could shoot moose at 7 miles.
Tactical Tom
03-12-2008, 02:46 PM
that savage arms model 12 FV short action in .308 Win. is awesome , you say its accurate up to 100 yards?
100yds ? YES ! you can hit out to 1000 yds if you know what you are doing !
Ask some of these old Marines on here, I'm sure they will step up & tell you that for long range the .308 (w/good scope & ammo) is the real deal ! The other choice for me would be the time tested & proven .30/06 ;) OOOHRHAAA! & yes w/ the right bullet you can take a moose or elk or bear or deer . . . etc w/ either of these 2 rifles & the ammo for these 2 guns is very easy to find .
Still say for long range go with .300 win mag, has better ballistics than the .308 or the .30/06
I believe you said you didn't want the noise and kick of any of these rifles.
"Scandium snubnose 4 bore" Isn't that a pistol your talking about, scandium ore, why do you like it so much Hopeak. And you aren't shooting anything 7 miles away.
I am not a big game hunter but I have camped in bear country and been closer to them than I ever desired to be. So, the following is a moderately informed opinion, but not what youd call expert advice, and if Yogi gets you on your next trip to Jellystone, dont blame me. A note on grizzly bears: they are smart, strong, mean, bulky, motivated and fast. The grizzly bear is the one predator in North America that truly inspires terror in my heart. No matter what you can do, he can do it better. He or she can be merciless in defending turf or litter, and may just kill you for kicks.
Sourdough
03-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Got me of them'thar Freedom Arms Belt buckles with the 5 shot .22LR revolver in the buckle. You just press the button and the revolver comes right out. It has a 1" barrel. It will shoot 1000 yards. Make a great moose revolver. Put a 4 1/2 X 14 power scope on that puppy, You be all set.
Because expert hunters with their hard-hitting revolvers were able to bring down bears with a .357 Magnum or a pistol at all, does that mean that your Scandium framed 2 snubnose with wussy off-the-shelf loads will be able to do the same? Probably not. The expert hunter stalks the prey and takes the shot from the optimal range and angle. Ideally, the bear does not even know hes in danger. If you are hiking a trail and come upon a bear unexpectedly, you will not have the advantages of position, concealment and surprise. You will be drawing quickly and trying to get a shot off against a rapidly moving animal that may weigh 800 lbs. or so, and with a gun having considerably less power than the revolvers upon which the legend was built. In this scenario, the chances of getting a rapidly disabling hit on the bear drop to next to nothing. Unless you are extremely lucky, the bear is going to win this one. The .357 Magnum has the penetration to reach vital organs in the bear, but what are the chances of making that shot in an emergency?
In this observers humble opinion, the .357 Magnum is marginal at best for protection against bears. I would want something considerably larger. In handguns, the .44 Magnum would be my baseline. A 12 gauge Express Magnum loaded with slugs would be a lot better.
Sourdough
03-12-2008, 03:18 PM
"Scandium snub nose 4 bore" Isn't that a pistol your talking about, scandium ore, why do you like it so much Hopeak. And you aren't shooting anything 7 miles away.
I am not a big game hunter but I have camped in bear country and been closer to them than I ever desired to be. So, the following is a moderately informed opinion, but not what youd call expert advice, and if Yogi gets you on your next trip to Jellystone, dont blame me. A note on grizzly bears: they are smart, strong, mean, bulky, motivated and fast. The grizzly bear is the one predator in North America that truly inspires terror in my heart. No matter what you can do, he can do it better. He or she can be merciless in defending turf or litter, and may just kill you for kicks.
BEO, It just my job to regurgitate some mindless hogwash, let the readers sort it out. This is a form. I can talk about stuff I have no grasp of. A good derringer 3 1/2" 10 Gage.
You are so damn silly... lol... you crack me up. You'll get that youngster killed.
Sourdough
03-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Not my problem. I thought this was a serious educational site, and that we were seriously trying to be helpfull.
Chris made it clear yesterday that this is a form, even stupid people like me who don't know a caliber from a cartridge, or some who think caliber and cartridge is a different word for the same thing, can post anything. As long as I don't call names I can miss lead, post deceptive data, who cares if someone get hurt.
Hopeak, its a FORUM not form, and you would feel like a stuck turd in drain if he got hurt using bad advise from you.
Sourdough
03-12-2008, 04:22 PM
Hopeak, its a FORUM not form, and you would feel like a stuck turd in drain if he got hurt using bad advise from you.
Rick, BEO hurt my feeling. I think, well actually I am not sure.
BUT THAT BEO IS THE POINT I TRIED TO MAKE YESTERDAY. And why I have been behaving like a Jackass (I think that word is OK because it is a real animal). We do have a responsibility.
Marcraft, as uncomfortable as I've become with the notion of you carrying firearms...you're in Canada dude, take a look around some pawn shops and gun dealers. You can probably pick up a WW2 issue .303 (there's your British) for a lot less money than the rifles your talking about that will serve you just as well or better than anything I've seen listed here and will certainly give you better shot groupings than what you first stated, as long as you can shoot. You want low noise? Forget it, on all of them, not going to happen, but like MW said, the critter's gonna be dropping before it hears the shot.
Oh yeah, and the 6.5 mm is slightly larger than a .243, very good trajectory, fast, flat, far flying. It's the rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald used when he shot Kennedy. If you ask who Lee Harvey Oswald and Kennedy are, I'll kick your ***.
canid
03-12-2008, 04:34 PM
i gotta concur here. if you want low signature, go rimfire. if rimfire won't meet your need, go loud, though of course a 308 will be easier on the ears than a 7-mag.
Or use your rubberband gun, it shoots good and is very quiet.
canid
03-12-2008, 06:16 PM
wait; i see a niche for compressed air flechette gun hunting here.
[sorry to get off track, i couldn't help myself]
slap a few more rubberbands on it and you got yourself a scatter gun:D
go2ndAmend
03-12-2008, 10:47 PM
If you plan on moose huning and taking shots out to 400 yards, the 30-06 would be the absolute minimum cartridge I would consider. I don't hunt moose, but I do hunt elk and the setup I've settled on is a Remingon 700 in 300 Winchester Mag. topped off with a Swarovski 4-14x scope. The .25-06 and the .270 would kill a moose PROVIDED the shot placement was close to perfect. They are too small a cartridge to consider buying a rifle in those calibers for a moose gun.
beerrunner13
03-12-2008, 11:13 PM
Come on he killed a bear with a single shot .22 while turkey hunting I think one of Don's sling shots should do the trick and it won't hurt his little ears.
go2ndAmend
03-12-2008, 11:28 PM
Maybe he could pack in a few moose decoys and wait in a tree with his rambo knife. no kick (except the moose) and nice and quite too. Kinda hard to jump 800 yards to the moose though!
carcajou garou
03-13-2008, 11:49 AM
At 16, get yourself a .22lr and get hares, patridges...etc when your skill level accrues then look into a more powerfull cartridge/rifle combination that you can handle.
Ahhh...........hunting with a knife. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
My wife won't let me do that. I want to take my Kabar or the Bowie and sneak into hog tunnels and get one that way. What a rushhhhhhhh! I mean, it's either you, or the hog. You have a knife, he has two, you have balls, his are bigger, you have clothes, he has a thick hide. I can get mean, but mean enough to take a hog down?
Wife once said in a conversation with others when we were speaking of hog hunting, If you really wanted to hunt hogs, do it with a knife neked.
I asked her, if she would really let me, she looked around at the woman, no honey as she turned and mumbled to the woman, he'd do it.
Ya'll just keep them little pellet shooters, ya better be a good shot. 12 gauge slug and buckshot will put a hurting on a critter, you can miss and hit their leg..........
Ooops, I missed. Look, no leg.
Is the wild turkey out tonight, Frank? I think I hear him gobblin'.
NavyENC
03-16-2008, 12:13 AM
Ok boys, for those of you that haven't heard, the hot rounds for shooting @ 1000 yds is the 260 Rem, 260 Ackley Improved, and the 6.5/284. Most of the NRA long range matches have been won with these lately. Of course the 308 and the good old 30-06 will still hold their own. For me it would be either of thr latter, ammo easy to come by anywhere.
marberry
05-21-2008, 11:20 PM
i remember before this forum went to ****..... sigh those were the days.....
Alpine_Sapper
05-21-2008, 11:38 PM
i remember before this forum went to ****..... sigh those were the days.....
And posts like that simply serve to exacerbate the issue if it exists. Funny thing is, most of those who complain typically don't take any action to alleviate the situation. They only complain.
i remember before this forum went to ****..... sigh those were the days.....
Marcraft, I just visited your homepage. OOOOOOOOKAY! So much better than the forum. :eek:
http://www.marcraft.piczo.com/
marberry
05-22-2008, 12:40 AM
that thing hasnt been visited by me in over a year lol
DOGMAN
05-22-2008, 12:56 AM
Get yourself a .375 H&H mag, it is a truly great all around calibre and it will serve you much better than the .270's and such that some others have recommended. If you want to knock down a moose at 200 yards get the right tool for the job- the .375 is that rifle
Ole WV Coot
05-22-2008, 01:03 AM
From what I understand you would want a 270 with the best scope you can afford. My reasoning for the 270 is hand loading. You can load it for mice to moose, IMHO probably the most adaptable especially if you roll your own.
sthrnstrong
05-22-2008, 06:36 AM
IMHO I would recommend either a Remington 700 .308 or AR10 .308. I know im a big .308fan but I cant help it. The round is easy to get and packs enough punch for your money. There is not much in this world that a 175grain .308 hollow point cant take down.
BTW if you are worried about exit wounds being to big and wasting meat then all I have to say is that is why we have head shots
RobertRogers
05-22-2008, 07:39 AM
You gun experts got me on this. A 200 yd moose gun that has rounds less than 2 bucks a shot. Hmmmmmm........
How about some ballistics and energy stats at the impact point. I would expect that taking a moose at 200yds, you would need a pretty stout gun.
But what do I know, if it is further than 30 yards, I put a stalk on it. I like to get in close, so close that I can count the ticks on it's neck, so close that I can see the arteries in the neck pumping blood.
Then I usually screw the pooch.
I don't know about moose in your area (unless you are in northern NH) but oftimes you can walk up and just about spit on them. A large number are quite fearless of anything in the woods. Makes for good sales on state moose hunting permits - imagine the stories told by flatlanders who bag a moose and bring it back to the city complete with tall tales from the mighty hunters!
Flatlanders? I've only heard Wisconsin folks say that about Illinois folks. Along with FISH or FIB. Actually, Cook County folks since Southern Illinois is nowhere near flat.
DOGMAN
05-22-2008, 10:02 AM
I don't know about moose in your area (unless you are in northern NH) but oftimes you can walk up and just about spit on them.
Thats pretty funny...now that you mention it- I've had more moose move towards me than run from me. However, in montana we have a very limited moose hunting season- so they don't seem to view us as dangerous.
Im planning on buying a bolt action rifle in the 500 - 2000 range, im looking for something that can make 5 inch shot groups at 400 yards and 15 inch at 800 yards , preferably with enough energy to take down a moose at up to 200 yards. Anyone think of a good caliber ? my requirements are: under $2 a round , handleable recoil (no .50 BMG) , not excessively loud (quieter then a 30-06)? im very picky , i know but thats why im asking the experts :D
I'll be the first to tell you that I am not an "expert". All I can tell you is what rifle/caliber/scope I fire and my capabilities with it. You may not be able to as well and then again you might be able to do better. I have a Savage model 11... in 30-06 topped with a shepherd scope. I don't do competition so the shepherd works well for me. My longest distance target practice I shot five 5" groups at 600 yards with 165grain core lokts. Supposedly if you can get the scope and ammo to match up, this combo is accurate within 1 minute of angle out to 1,000 yards. Couldn't tell you for sure cause I never had the opportunity to get that far from a target. Yes this is loud and it will hurt your shoulder if you fire it a lot but that is why they invented ear plugs, shoulder pads and/or smaller calibers to practice with. I had one hunting trip with this set up where the caribou were not cooperating so I put some meat in the freezer with 1 shot from 400 yards. I was comfortable doing this due to the long(er) range practice I had been doing and a very steady rest. I do prefer closer shots, much, much closer shots. Just remember, don't fire unless you have a good shot, don't fire at an animal further away than the furthest target you can hit consistently and if it doesn't feel right or you are not comfortable with the shot don't take it. Also, I have taken several moose out to 200 yards with this rifle and 180 grain core lokts.
Ole WV Coot
05-22-2008, 10:13 AM
Marcraft, I just visited your homepage. OOOOOOOOKAY! So much better than the forum. :eek:
http://www.marcraft.piczo.com/
:rolleyes:Checked out your website and it ain't my style. I guess the rubber band gun would work best for you. If you can drive just go down any back road at night and you will probably score you a moose.
grundle
05-22-2008, 10:43 AM
My dad has a .375 winchester. I am amazed at how light it is, it is simply an amazing gun. I was wondering if it is too much gun for deer hunting?
Sourdough
05-22-2008, 11:58 AM
My dad has a .375 winchester. I am amazed at how light it is, it is simply an amazing gun. I was wondering if it is too much gun for deer hunting?
No....................
MonsterMash
05-22-2008, 03:56 PM
OK....time to drop my 02 in the pot:
For the money, the Savage is the best out of the box value rifle on the market today. Hands down. They are sub MOA guns with adjustable triggers so as long as you do your part, you shouldn't have any problems with accuracy. The law enforcement models with the heavier barrels would be my recommendation. The only problem with Savage, if you choose to look at it as a problem, is upgrades and aftermarket accessories are pretty slim. If you're one that doesn't tinker with a gun, then the Savage is just right for you.
The Remington 700 series of rifles are good, solid performers, and they cost a little more. Theres no limit to what you can do on a 700 action. The 700 is to bolt guns what the 1911 is to pistols. Everyone offers either custom works or custom parts. So if you want to tweak, theres no problem with upgrading.
Rings, mounts, and scopes make and break long distance shooters. Badger Ordinance has some of the best rings/mounts I have ever encountered. Leupold does solid, dependable optics. The glass may not be as good as some, but the internals won't let you down. They are as rugged as they come.
Stay away from foriegn scopes. A lot of them are calibrated to the metric system. If you are shooting standard formulas, but your come ups are metric, your shot will be off. Make sure your turrets are 1/4 MOA turrets. 1 & 1/2 MOA turrets are too coarse and 1/8 MOA turrets are too fine.
On to the caliber. There is no game in North America that cannot be taken by a 308 with the proper shot placement and proper distance to the target. Its cost effective, has enough power, and theres so much ballistic data that you can't go wrong. It is a round that has been studied, refined and perfected. It may not be as flashy as a 300 or 338....but it will get the job done.
My final advice is to train. If you want to hit targets at any distance, much less at long range, you have to train. The secret to long range shooting is consistancy. You have to do the same thing, the same way, every time. If you don't have the dedication to do it right, then you're just wasting your money and time.
OK....time to drop my 02 in the pot:
For the money, the Savage is the best out of the box value rifle on the market today. Hands down. They are sub MOA guns with adjustable triggers so as long as you do your part, you shouldn't have any problems with accuracy. The law enforcement models with the heavier barrels would be my recommendation. The only problem with Savage, if you choose to look at it as a problem, is upgrades and aftermarket accessories are pretty slim. If you're one that doesn't tinker with a gun, then the Savage is just right for you.
The Remington 700 series of rifles are good, solid performers, and they cost a little more. Theres no limit to what you can do on a 700 action. The 700 is to bolt guns what the 1911 is to pistols. Everyone offers either custom works or custom parts. So if you want to tweak, theres no problem with upgrading.
Rings, mounts, and scopes make and break long distance shooters. Badger Ordinance has some of the best rings/mounts I have ever encountered. Leupold does solid, dependable optics. The glass may not be as good as some, but the internals won't let you down. They are as rugged as they come.
Stay away from foriegn scopes. A lot of them are calibrated to the metric system. If you are shooting standard formulas, but your come ups are metric, your shot will be off. Make sure your turrets are 1/4 MOA turrets. 1 & 1/2 MOA turrets are too coarse and 1/8 MOA turrets are too fine.
On to the caliber. There is no game in North America that cannot be taken by a 308 with the proper shot placement and proper distance to the target. Its cost effective, has enough power, and theres so much ballistic data that you can't go wrong. It is a round that has been studied, refined and perfected. It may not be as flashy as a 300 or 338....but it will get the job done.
My final advice is to train. If you want to hit targets at any distance, much less at long range, you have to train. The secret to long range shooting is consistancy. You have to do the same thing, the same way, every time. If you don't have the dedication to do it right, then you're just wasting your money and time.
That is a very good post monstermash.
Marcraft, a 30 caliber rifle of some sort is going to be your best bet. As you can see a lot of people love the 308 or the 30-06 because they are common, proven, versatile rounds. Give this a lot of thought and buy what you feel is the best choice for you then get out there and practice, practice, practice. If you can't be consistent with cheek weld, trigger pull and the rest of it then it doesn't matter what your rifle and caliber are capable of...you still wont be able to hit anything at any distance.
MonsterMash
05-22-2008, 11:44 PM
Thank you AKS.
One more thing I would like to point out is this: The 308 loses a lot of oomph after 800 yards. Yes, you *can* make hits out past 1000 with it, but you'll be lobbing it in like an artillery shell. A 30-06 gives you just as much accuracy, with a little more bang for your buck. The extra powder in the 06 translates to a longer effective range. Both of them are readily available in terms of supply and ballistic data.
klkak
05-23-2008, 01:14 AM
Thank you AKS.
One more thing I would like to point out is this: The 308 loses a lot of oomph after 800 yards. Yes, you *can* make hits out past 1000 with it, but you'll be lobbing it in like an artillery shell. A 30-06 gives you just as much accuracy, with a little more bang for your buck. The extra powder in the 06 translates to a longer effective range. Both of them are readily available in terms of supply and ballistic data.
What are you going to be shooting that is 800 to 1000 yards away? Unless you are a military sniper.:confused:
Sourdough
05-23-2008, 01:30 AM
He is not old enough to have a firearm. I galls me that so much effort goes into this thread. People really want to help, but it is a ma****bation.
Has anyone owned the Ruger M77RSI Mark II-International in .308? This is another one I've been dreaming about. I've read some glowing reports and the price isn't all that bad. Other Rugers I've owned have been flawless so I would think the quality here would be just as good. Here's a couple of links:
http://www.thegunsource.com/store/item/35914_Ruger_Rifles/Shotguns__7902__77RSI_INTER__.aspx
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_M77RSI_firearm_fun.htm
Wow. That Super Mod power extends even further than I feared .......
ma****bation.
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Yes, well, kids and all. I hold amazing powers. Occasionally, I even zap myself. You have to be very careful. A down side to being Minister of Science.
He is not old enough to have a firearm. I galls me that so much effort goes into this thread. People really want to help, but it is a ma****bation.
LOL You crack me up. Of course he is not old enough to own a firearm yet. But if he plays his cards right, he will be one day. Nothing wrong with planning for the future, even if your goals are a little miss guided or unrealistic. Isn't that what a lot of people are doing here? Trying to pick up or clarify information that they can use at a later date?
Ok, lets say, just for the sake of argument, that he doesn't make it...he never gets old enough to own a firearm. There are plenty of guests on this site that might read the mad ramblings in these posts and learn something that they never heard or thought of before. You know like, "Hey, you can use ear plugs to protect you hearing while you shoot? Dang that's a good idea!":D
Sourdough
05-23-2008, 12:36 PM
I don't really think this forum helps, to much information is like no information. What is gained if every cartridge ever invented is recomended. Why not just say go to "Cartridges of the world" close your eyes a choose one.
hoosierarcher
05-23-2008, 12:49 PM
http://www.mrhengineering.com/
This is a friend of mine's website. I helped develope these rifles. I am a former USMC sniper. Read the website to find out the remarkable features of these rifles.
He makes custom rifles that are astounding you can get a custom rifle for the price of a high dollar off the shelf rifle capable of shoot sub MOA at the ranges you mention. They are unique in many ways. I do not make anything referring you to him.
Honestly, tell your friend to get a new picture. That blurry out of focus one sort of puts a damper on his web site.
This hasn't happened in dozens of posts! Rick, I agree with you.
When's the slaw coming?
All I can say is you're learning. Agree with me more often. It's easy.:D
You must have missed some of my post. (I'm being kind here.)
When's the slaw coming?
DOGMAN
05-24-2008, 11:26 PM
From what I understand you would want a 270 with the best scope you can afford. My reasoning for the 270 is hand loading. You can load it for mice to moose, IMHO probably the most adaptable especially if you roll your own.
You can handload the .375H&H for anything as well. And the .375 will do less damage on the meat than the .270.
DOGMAN
05-24-2008, 11:31 PM
My dad has a .375 winchester. I am amazed at how light it is, it is simply an amazing gun. I was wondering if it is too much gun for deer hunting?
No, the .375 is a fantastic deer rifle- if you use a 250 or 270gr load.
DOGMAN
05-24-2008, 11:45 PM
Stay away from foriegn scopes.
This is horrible advice. Have you ever looked through a Swarovski or Zeiss scope? There is no comparison. I have used lots and lots of American brand scopes- a few come close- but none match the best Austria has to offer
This is horrible advice. Have you ever looked through a Swarovski or Zeiss scope? There is no comparison. I have used lots and lots of American brand scopes- a few come close- but none match the best Austria has to offer
gotta agree with jason there. although you will tend to spend slightly more for a foreign scope than for its american made equivalent in quality, there are a lot of well made foreign scopes. The late great Gale McMillan said to expect a 20% markup for imports. As stated in this link about 2/3rds of the way down the page.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13359
Also had some to say about those shepherd scopes that I like so much
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.guns/browse_thread/thread/d5ed38c7c6ff20d2/14cfc6c79d6c050d?lnk=st&q=group%3Arec.guns+insubject%3Ashepherd+insubject% 3Ascopes+author%3AGale+author%3AMcMillan&rnum=1#14cfc6c79d6c050d
Re: Shepherd Scopes. That's why I'm not a world class hunter or guide. I could NEVER spend $650 on a scope. Do you know how much bacon that will buy?
Re: Shepherd Scopes. That's why I'm not a world class hunter or guide. I could NEVER spend $650 on a scope. Do you know how much bacon that will buy?
You ever dream about hijacking one of those refrigerated tractor trailers?:p
Re: Shepherd Scopes. That's why I'm not a world class hunter or guide. I could NEVER spend $650 on a scope. Do you know how much bacon that will buy?
Yea yea, lots and lots of prepackaged already salted and preserved bacon. But...if you ever end up way out in the middle of nowhere like I did...and find out that you can't hit the broad side of a barn because your scope quit working properly like my Leopold did(I know, they are usually so good)...and you don't know about it until you try to shoot your dinner with it because it broke some time after my test fire upon getting to the middle of nowhere and because looking through a regular scope you can't tell that it isn't lining up properly...you might be willing to invest that kind of money to keep from getting that particular feeling that happens when your dinner getter quits getting dinner. I think it was disbelief and disappointment followed by hunger. I don't miss dinner very often. No, I didn't starve but I had to get a new scope later and was only able to get one caribou that trip after I took the broke scope off. Good thing I practice with open sights too.
Oh! You can get them there shepherd scopes on ebay for a few hundred less than getting them new.
Here is a question for you .308 users. I know there is a bit of difference between .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO. But I've read that the 7.62 headspace is made to match the .308 and the 7.62 pressure is less so it won't damage a .308 weapon (but not the other way around). Have any of you used 7.62 in your .308 weapon?
Here is a question for you .308 users. I know there is a bit of difference between .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO. But I've read that the 7.62 headspace is made to match the .308 and the 7.62 pressure is less so it won't damage a .308 weapon (but not the other way around). Have any of you used 7.62 in your .308 weapon?
Nope. But I'm interested to see what the responses will be on this one. Good question, Rick. (Did I just say that? :eek:)
Thinking about this some more, if anyone answers "yes," please tell us how the 7.62 affects overall performance and range???
Sourdough
05-26-2008, 12:33 PM
Here is a question for you .308 users. I know there is a bit of difference between .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO. But I've read that the 7.62 headspace is made to match the .308 and the 7.62 pressure is less so it won't damage a .308 weapon (but not the other way around). Have any of you used 7.62 in your .308 weapon?
YES, about 3,000 rounds. Never a problem. Not in auto-loaders, not in pump-actions, not in bolt-actions, not in single shot break-open actions.
The only problem would be if a reloader, had worked up a max power charge using commercial .308 brass cases, and then put that same power charge in a 7.62 NATO brass cartridge case, He could experience signs of higher pressure.
This is because military brass is generally thicker. Any experienced reloader would know to back off 2 grains when changing any other factor, ie primers, brass, dies, etc.
Great. Thanks. That opens the door for some additional options. I appreciate it.
Do you see any substantial difference in ballistics?
Sourdough
05-26-2008, 01:02 PM
Great. Thanks. That opens the door for some additional options. I appreciate it.
Do you see any substantial difference in ballistics?
See the prevoius post I expanded that post. Remington and Federal, and Winchester make generic FMJ ammo. The primary ballistic difference would revolve around bullet type, bullet weight.
I expanded the earlier post to talk about case thickness.
MonsterMash
05-26-2008, 08:42 PM
This is horrible advice. Have you ever looked through a Swarovski or Zeiss scope? There is no comparison. I have used lots and lots of American brand scopes- a few come close- but none match the best Austria has to offer
What I did say was, most foriegn scope turrets are calibrated to the metric system, and not the American standard system. And for long distance shooters who are working out their formulas and come ups, etc.........having metric turrets will cause your bullet to impact at a point that you didn't want it to. That is why I recommended staying away from them. Not their quality.
There is a difference in needs for Billy Bob the deerslayer, and the 1000 yard competition shooter. And since the OP was talking about shooting at extended ranges, that is what i was referring to.
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