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GreenHorn
11-15-2012, 02:43 PM
First, I'd like to start off saying i'm fairly new to firearms in general but have done a fair amount of research in and out of local hunting shops. Also i'm not here to start a discussion about which rifle is "the best". I am currently in the market for hunting rifle. I would mostly be using it for whitetail, possibly turkey, and in the unlikely event of an attack against a black bear. My main factors are widely available and affordable ammo, durability and reliability in the wilderness. Another factor but not as important is the price range looking for something in the mid price range, something of a beginner's to moderate hunter's rifle (sorry if that doesn't make sense). If you would please be so kind as to list the the rifle, caliber, and a short reason as to why you would recommend this particular rifle. Thank you for reading and any input.

2dumb2kwit
11-15-2012, 03:14 PM
What type of country would you be hunting in? What I'm getting at, is at what distance do you think you'll most likely be shooting at a deer?

As for a "general purpose" rifle ......... something like a Marlin 336. (Lever action 30-30) (Keep in mind, that this probably ISN'T what you'd want if most of your shooting will be longer distances. (300+ yards))

GreenHorn
11-15-2012, 03:45 PM
Sorry forgot to mention he range. Yes, i'll probably be closer than 300 yards, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have a higher range. It's mostly mountain, however there are spots that are open field areas where it wouldn't be out of the question that I could take a shot at the 300+ yard mark. Thanks for the help and the follow up question, I wasn't quite sure what info I needed to give for a good answer.

natertot
11-15-2012, 03:48 PM
First rifle, entry level. I say a Mosin Nagant. Why? For $300 bucks you have rifle, accessories, and over four hundred rounds of ammo. $100 put into the rifle, you can get some very good accuracy out to some good yardage. KyRat had a good setup before the canoe incident.

(I now stand and wait for somebody to say ".22, it's all about shot placement. BTW a 9mm won't do anything.....")

hunter63
11-15-2012, 03:50 PM
We don't normally use rifles on turkey, that would be a shotgun....which of course would serve all the needs you listed.

I guess you need to be a little more specific, on area terrian, distances, range/type of game.

The standard for many years has been the mentioned 30-30, followed by the 30-06 traditionally.
Lately a lot of people have gone to the 308, for a long shooter, followed by the pistol caliber carbines, .357, .44 mag etc.

Then you need to decide what configuration you perfer, single shot/DB, bolt action, lever action, pump, auto loader......

Power Giant
11-15-2012, 05:11 PM
I've always been interested in those over and unders that have a rifle/shotgun combo. I think Savage Arms makes them among others.

Florida-Mike
11-15-2012, 05:17 PM
when i lived in PA i was useing my savage 110 30-06 for hunting deer. ammo cost alot but its very powerful. 18 dollars for 20 bullets

Sourdough
11-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Cartridge: 308 Winchester

Firearm: Good "used" Bolt Action.

Buy two boxes of 150 gr. 308 Winchester ammo (Maybe Remington Core-lock)

Then fine a super good deal on 7.62 NATO ammunition, and buy 300 to 1,000 rounds.

Rick
11-15-2012, 07:31 PM
Ain't gonna be much turkey left with all those calibers. Might be a few feathers left.

hunter63
11-15-2012, 07:37 PM
I donno, SIL likes to shoot the on the pipe lines with a .22-250....LOL.......Not the Wisconsin method.

mwp
11-15-2012, 08:17 PM
its kinda like building a house with only a hammer. One size doesnt really fit all. If you can start with a 22 then a brush gun like a 30-30,357,or 44 mag. Then for a longer range try a 308. It offers an assortment of ammo from plinking to match grade and doesnt have a bad kick. But that last may depend on the weapon itself. Best wishes on your choice. mwp

kyratshooter
11-15-2012, 08:36 PM
I think this is the best time in history to be looking for a good rifle at a reasonable price.

Savage Axis
Marlin bolt action
Ruger American
Mossburg ATR

All come in NIB for less than $350 w/scope. All are reasonably accurate out of the box and well worth the money. I have not come across a Savage Axis that would not shoot inside 1 1/2" with factory ammo right out of the box and I have dealt with two or three a week for several months at the local range.

For your needs caliber is secondary in importance but if you are doing deer, turkey and the occasional run in with a bear I would choose the .243.

I am opinion number 12, we have several thousand members, how far do you want to go with this? We all have an opinion and they are all going to be different.:cursing:

However, if they do not agree with ME they are wrong and don't let anyone convince you differently!

deafdave3
11-15-2012, 08:49 PM
I will always stand by Remington 700 for large game in the Americas. My father started deer hunting the year I was born in 19xx. He bought a used 1964 Remington 700BDL .270. I still have it and I still hunt with it. I would NOT, however, shoot a turkey with such a large caliber. If you can call a turkey up close enough, use a shotgun. If you want to shoot a turkey from a distance, either make sure your large caliber ammo is fully coated, use a small diameter high powered cartridge, or make only head shots (extremely frustrating).

GreenHorn
11-15-2012, 09:01 PM
Wow,a big thanks to everyone who posted. Lots of nice advice and new info, I was a little overwhelmed when I went into the shops. So i wanted to see, what would be the favorites. I have never tried hunting for a turkey so it came as a surprise, that most people use shotguns. Only reason i put turkey out there was cause I was listing the types of game in my region. Thank you again.

deafdave3
11-15-2012, 09:11 PM
......listing the types of game in my region......

May I ask what region this is?

intothenew
11-15-2012, 09:38 PM
......................I now stand and wait for somebody to say ".22......................

And I raise my hand.

The OP obviously needs to learn how to field a weapon, and learn to hunt. I also assume that the OP has walked past many a rabbit, squirrel, coon, possum, etc. to get to that deer/turkey/bear. To take all of that into consideration, a .22 ranks way up on the list. Here, in WV, a .17 centerfire would be my first choice, I'm legal on all of the previous. Open site for those that can see, a very low profile scope if you can't. You need to be able to shoot that rabbit in the eye. A .22 is not legal on all of the previous, but it's cheap, and you can learn a lot in a year or two fielding one legally.

To learn to cook filet mignon well, first you must cook good cat.

hunter63
11-15-2012, 09:58 PM
I am really surprised that this hasn't broken down into a "weirdest caliber I can think of at the moment".....Like a 30 cal Gibbs where you have to fire form the cases from 30-36 brass, and re-load you own "ready rolls".....so far it just a straight up good advice....

I'll even vote for a .243 as a long shooter...

So lets not get strange......

kyratshooter
11-15-2012, 10:29 PM
Even though I do not own a .243 it is one of my favorite all around clibers for here in the eastern U.S.

Longest field shot I ever witnessed was with a .243. I watched through the spotting scope as a friend turned a ground hog inside out at 550 yards using an 80gn HP. That kind of thing will instill a healty respect for any caliber in the right hands. Same rifle killed a nice four pointer about a year latter.

2dumb2kwit
11-15-2012, 10:42 PM
I am really surprised that this hasn't broken down into a "weirdest caliber I can think of at the moment".....Like a 30 cal Gibbs where you have to fire form the cases from 30-36 brass, and re-load you own "ready rolls".....so far it just a straight up good advice....

I'll even vote for a .243 as a long shooter...

So lets not get strange......

Yeah, the op has actually gotten some good opinions. Now, have we been good long enough that we can start picking on someone?:innocent:

kyratshooter
11-16-2012, 01:08 AM
Yeah, the op has actually gotten some good opinions. Now, have we been good long enough that we can start picking on someone?:innocent:

It is getting sort of boring around here. No trolls for over a week and newbies with interesting questions intelligently asked while the members give sound and civil answers.

Mayhap we should go over to the knife section and post a "Mora sucks!" thread or something?

Better than that, we could post a "Ruger sucks!" thread here on the gun section? That ought to be good for a couple days argument, eight pages of replies and a couple hundred posts.

deafdave3
11-16-2012, 01:14 AM
....Mayhap we should go over to the knife section and post a "Mora sucks!" thread or something?....

Oh, he does suck big time! He did a horrible job when he was head coach of the New Orleans Saints.

Phaedrus
11-16-2012, 03:53 AM
Count me as another vote for a bolt .308 rifle. Used would be fine, and a new Savage would run you around $400 (at least where I live). Great guns, those Savages.

kyratshooter
11-16-2012, 11:22 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_974/products_id/70938/Savage+AXIS+XP+243+WSCOPE

Buds has some fantastic prices on the lower end rifles. Check out all the brands we listed and find whatever caliber you desire. In the eastern U.S. the main problem most people get into is too much gun (as in heavy mgnum) or not enough (as in .223 for big game).

Most shops will transfer the peperwork for a flat rate or %. I am fortunate in living only a short drive from the shop and make a party of the trip now and then. t is like going to a Sam's Club with guns.

.243, .308, 30-06, anything with 6.5-7mm stamped on it, or any of the other well balanced centerfire calibers are a fine choice. Each person has his/her favorite.

canid
11-16-2012, 11:32 AM
I am really surprised that this hasn't broken down into a "weirdest caliber I can think of at the moment"

You mean I shouldn't tell him that I don't think he should consider anything but .45-70 for his requirements...?

hunter63
11-16-2012, 03:05 PM
You mean I shouldn't tell him that I don't think he should consider anything but .45-70 for his requirements...?


LOL, you know what I mean, these threads tend to deteriorate to coming up with an off the wall wildcat caliber that ammo isn't available for, or expensive.....Kind of like a "one upsmanship", and a chance to display one vast knowlage of odd calibers, rahter than helping out someone that is new to the game.

Nothing wrong with a 45/70, been know to shoot them my self.....but an average guy needs only to stay in the general realm of popular calibers to have a good serviceable and effective hunting tool.

Up to and past 300 yds one need to think about a flat shooting load with enough energy to knock down game at those ranges.
All calibers brought up by Krat are a good choice.

Although personally I happen to be partial to the 7 mm mag and .270 Win in bolt guns.
Ballistics are very similar .270 being a slightly smaller bullet, but shoot the same.

I will be hunting tomorrow with the .270 H&R Handi Rifle single shot from my elevated blind.

2dumb2kwit
11-16-2012, 04:37 PM
LOL, you know what I mean, these threads tend to deteriorate to coming up with an off the wall wildcat caliber that ammo isn't available for, or expensive.....Kind of like a "one upsmanship", and a chance to display one vast knowlage of odd calibers, rahter than helping out someone that is new to the game.

Nothing wrong with a 45/70, been know to shoot them my self.....but an average guy needs only to stay in the general realm of popular calibers to have a good serviceable and effective hunting tool.

Up to and past 300 yds one need to think about a flat shooting load with enough energy to knock down game at those ranges.
All calibers brought up by Krat are a good choice.

Although personally I happen to be partial to the 7 mm mag and .270 Win in bolt guns.
Ballistics are very similar .270 being a slightly smaller bullet, but shoot the same.

I will be hunting tomorrow with the .270 H&R Handi Rifle single shot from my elevated blind.

Dang!
You have a blind with an elevator?
You must be a high tech redneck!

hunter63
11-16-2012, 06:05 PM
Yup, it's up there 12 feet or so......Old and lazy, make them come to me.......

Daniel Nighteyes
11-16-2012, 08:02 PM
Sorry forgot to mention he range. Yes, i'll probably be closer than 300 yards, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have a higher range. It's mostly mountain, however there are spots that are open field areas where it wouldn't be out of the question that I could take a shot at the 300+ yard mark.

In the mountains of the Western United States, one definition of Hunting is "a long danged hike toting a rifle, punctuated by brief glimpses of the prey escaping over the next ridge". The mountains of the Eastern United States are another matter entirely.

So another question I'd be asking is "where, specifically, do you plan to hunt?"

crashdive123
11-16-2012, 08:17 PM
I would like to add......

If you are new to shooting:

1. Please practice with your new rifle before heading out on a hunting trip.
2. Refrain from 300 yard shots until your level of proficiency gives you the confidence of a "clean" shot.

Daniel Nighteyes
11-16-2012, 08:57 PM
I would like to add......

If you are new to shooting:

1. Please practice with your new rifle before heading out on a hunting trip.
2. Refrain from 300 yard shots until your level of proficiency gives you the confidence of a "clean" shot.

And a big ol' +1!

Williepete
11-18-2012, 12:05 PM
Ain't gonna be much turkey left with all those calibers. Might be a few feathers left.

I once shot a pieogon out at the range with a 30-06 loaded with 110g plinker. Feathers flew every where. Dad teased me about that for years.

Bill

Power Giant
11-18-2012, 02:54 PM
I once shot a pieogon out at the range with a 30-06 loaded with 110g plinker. Feathers flew every where. Dad teased me about that for years.

Bill


:lol: Bwhahaha

hunter63
11-18-2012, 09:02 PM
You are supposed to shoot the CLAY pigeons at the range.......LOL

dizralph
11-19-2012, 05:37 AM
I hab 2 rifles for you
AR10A4
or
Winchester Model 71

kyratshooter
11-19-2012, 10:38 AM
I hab 2 rifles for you
AR10A4
or
Winchester Model 71


Why the contrast?

Which of the OP parimeters does either rifle fill?

You have suggested a vintage levergun that was discontinued 60 years ago, and was rare when in production, with impossible to find ammo. Then you have an equally rare and expensive assault type rifle.

Is there a rationale behind this or do you just like carrying around exotic hardware while wearing your bearskin?

Old Professor
11-19-2012, 11:28 AM
Asuming you are hunting in the mountains of eastern USA, then calibers starting with .243 and going up through .338 will do anything you will hunt in the big game catagory. If deer are your primary target, I would reccomend the .243, 6mm, 260 Rem, 7mm08, 308, 30-30 Win, 30-06. The lower end of this list has less recoil and as you go up the list, heavier bullets make for better bear loads. The state you are hunting in will some what determine action type. For example, Pennsyvlania prohibits semi-auto big game rifles. It is pretty hard to go wrong with a bolt action but slide action rifles are popular in Penna., as are lever actions. That decision is personal preference! As others have posted, do not "over gun" your self! my primary deer rifle is a Ruger Frontier in 260 Rem. I have made one shot kills out to 200 yards.

ElevenBravo
11-19-2012, 01:55 PM
My vote goes to the bolt .308, its a really versatile cartridge. Its on my "List of stuff to own before I kick the bucket".

hunter63
11-19-2012, 02:11 PM
My vote goes to the bolt .308, its a really versatile cartridge. Its on my "List of stuff to own before I kick the bucket".

Called a "Life list".......And it seems at the moment, nothing is on the radar.......Yeah, I know impossible to believe.

Never had or shot a .308......maybe I'll just get a .308 barrel for the H&R Handi rifle, to say I have one......

Wildthang
11-19-2012, 02:39 PM
I think he needs a Savage .270, mild recoil, easily capable at 300 yards, and ammo is easy to find. It is a good caliber no matter where you hunt!

hunter63
11-19-2012, 03:08 PM
I think he needs a Savage .270, mild recoil, easily capable at 300 yards, and ammo is easy to find. It is a good caliber no matter where you hunt!

I agree......

kyratshooter
11-19-2012, 04:13 PM
Like we said before, anything between .243 and 7mm mag in the Savage Axis would suffice. Hunter you had the advantage of choosing a 7mag early on and have probably never felt like you needed anything else for medium to large game, and I would have to agree.

I have a .308 and am not a big fan. If I had never owned aything else, or if I did not reload, I might be sold on it, but I like my 30-06 rifles better. That is just me and one opinion and not really putting down the .308.

This might be the only place on the internet where the majority of answers were this mundane and uniform. Lot of folks hre shooting and hunting rather than sitting around reading gun rags and daydreaming about next purchases in fantacyland.

hunter63
11-19-2012, 04:40 PM
It's kinda funny the way the 7 mag showed up.......

I had been using a Win '94 in 32 special, and was getting a lot of long shots, and seem like I couldn't reach out....and was looking for a "real rifle", like the gun magazines guys used.....had my heart set on a 30-06 bolt gun.....for a good price.

One day I saw an ad in the paper for a Model 77 Ruger 7 mag bolt gun, and I didn't really know any thing about it......was a closet queen, and came with a box of shells, sling, scope and case.
Guy gave me a good price I couldn't turn down.

Was kinda afraid of the term "Magnum" (kick), as the normal in this part of the country was 30-30, 30-06 .303 Brit, or other brung home Milsurp.

Well, Elvira and I fell in love,.... and she has been elevated to the magic rifle level, ....If I can see it, I can hit it... status, and is "my go" to when serious hunting is on the agenda.

As the 7 mag has a long barrel, doesn't fit too well in my blind, the .270 Handi Rifle (shorter barrel) with similar ballistics, is now following in the path to "go to Jr"
For a hunting rifle big game.....My choice would be the 1)7 mag, 2) .270.....For a DRT, don't have to chase, and a one shot close to long range.......But that's just me.

Phaedrus
11-19-2012, 04:49 PM
I haven't shot a 7mm Rem Mag in a long time, but it was a bit "too much gun" for me. I didn't enjoy shooting it at all. While the ballistics are exceptional I will have to stick with a .280 Rem or 7mm/08. A bit less recoil and I can shoot them better.

Power Giant
11-19-2012, 05:02 PM
GreenHorn (OP)- We need to know which region you will be hunting in. If you're from the eastern US, Don't use a high velocity rifle. If you're anywhere else, do use a high velocity rifle. You can figure out the turkey thing for yourself.:laugh:

ElevenBravo
11-19-2012, 05:08 PM
If you're from the eastern US, Don't use a high velocity rifle. If you're anywhere else, do use a high velocity rifle.

Im not a learned hunter myself, could you elaborate on this a bit more for better understanding please?

kyratshooter
11-19-2012, 05:18 PM
He is from British Colombia just east of the moon and two stars past the heavenly gates.

Most of us in the eastern U.S. use high velocity rifles and have since just after the 30-40 Krag was introduced back in 1898.

I hear people out west like 30-30 rifles and pistol caliber carbines too!

Power Giant
11-19-2012, 07:48 PM
Im not a learned hunter myself, could you elaborate on this a bit more for better understanding please?

I was mostly trying to engage the OP back to his thread. In alot of eastern US areas you can only hunt deer with a shotgun. I am assuming this is because the round is so heavy that it drops very quickly and will be less likely to hit a person that you are not aiming at. The human population density is generally higher in the east than the west, so I could see this as a concern. This has already been addressed in this thread, I believe. In the western US there are less people. They are spread out more than in the east. So, it is less likely that a stray hunting bullet will hit someone unintended. That being said, most shots in the west are from a farther distance that will benefit from a high velocity, long range round. (270, 308, 338, etc.) In brushy, close in country, a heavier, slower bullet may work better than a lighter, faster bullet. The light bullet may deflect off of something such as a branch. Whereas the heavy bullet may brush aside the branch to meet its mark. Hope that was of some help.

dizralph
11-19-2012, 07:48 PM
Why the contrast?

Which of the OP parimeters does either rifle fill?

You have suggested a vintage levergun that was discontinued 60 years ago, and was rare when in production, with impossible to find ammo. Then you have an equally rare and expensive assault type rifle.

Is there a rationale behind this or do you just like carrying around exotic hardware while wearing your bearskin?Hi. ________

Seniorman
11-20-2012, 03:32 PM
"... In brushy, close in country, a heavier, slower bullet may work better than a lighter, faster bullet. The light bullet may deflect off of something such as a branch. Whereas the heavy bullet may brush aside the branch to meet its mark. Hope that was of some help.

That myth has long been disproved with field test after field test.

A "heavy, slow bullet," will deflect when hitting a branch or bush, just as will a pointed soft point bullet of a a higher velocity caliber.

Many years ago, I had it happen to me twice, using the standard ol' .30-30 with a regular round nose 170 grains factory load. Shot through a bit of brush at the broadside of a deer, about 70 yards away, and the bullet deflected enough to miss the deer. Happened again a couple years later, same type shot.

I know of other hunters who've experienced the same results.

I no longer shoot unless I have a clear path all the way to the animal, whether I'm shooting "slow & heavy" or "PSP & fast."

S.M.

Power Giant
11-20-2012, 04:41 PM
That myth has long been disproved with field test after field test.

A "heavy, slow bullet," will deflect when hitting a branch or bush, just as will a pointed soft point bullet of a a higher velocity caliber.

Many years ago, I had it happen to me twice, using the standard ol' .30-30 with a regular round nose 170 grains factory load. Shot through a bit of brush at the broadside of a deer, about 70 yards away, and the bullet deflected enough to miss the deer. Happened again a couple years later, same type shot.

I know of other hunters who've experienced the same results.

I no longer shoot unless I have a clear path all the way to the animal, whether I'm shooting "slow & heavy" or "PSP & fast."

S.M.

Very interesting. I wonder how a one ounce shotgun slug would do in the brush deflecting department?

hunter63
11-20-2012, 06:10 PM
Remember trees branches and brush is 95% air, but then again if Murphy is working against you, you will hit that 5%......LOL.

I try not to do much brush shooting, but I will never say never.......

Be sides you can't believe everthing you read.

kyratshooter
11-20-2012, 06:34 PM
There are only ten states that restrict to shotgun only. They are not all east of the Mississippi either.

Other states have certain small areas where it is shotgun only.

And every state has wooded areas, east or west, where bursh is thick. Outside those "shotgun only states" it is just good common sense on picking a clear shooting lame. Most of the eastern states also have cornfields and bean fields that offer 500 yard shots that are similar to the "across the canyon" shooting one anticipates and seldom does out west.

Strangely, most of the big record bucks are taken each year out of those "shotgun only" areas. Ain't that a hoot?

And the shotguns of today are not the shotguns grandad used!

But the OP did ask about rifles, and in states where rifles are legal for the hunt it is the high velocity centerfires that win the use awards in about every state, except Indiania. They have their own little thing going over there with only specific calibers/cartridge lengths allowed. We do not even want to get into that.

Power Giant
11-20-2012, 07:02 PM
I've been asking folks around here what their all around cartridge is. Most use 300 Win mag for big game and predators.

kyratshooter
11-20-2012, 07:30 PM
I've been asking folks around here what their all around cartridge is. Most use 300 Win mag for big game and predators.

If I lived in BC I would probably feel the same way. You have a little bigger game out there than we do in addition to a few bears sprinkled in. The .300 winmag is a fine round and has it's place.

But much like the 7mag, it is way too much gun for many folks, most folks in fact. Most complain about the recoil of the 30-06, 7.62x54 and 303 Enfield and the magnum calibers are just too much for 99% of the shooters, espically new shooters.

Power Giant
11-20-2012, 08:19 PM
If I lived in BC I would probably feel the same way. You have a little bigger game out there than we do in addition to a few bears sprinkled in. The .300 winmag is a fine round and has it's place.

But much like the 7mag, it is way too much gun for many folks, most folks in fact. Most complain about the recoil of the 30-06, 7.62x54 and 303 Enfield and the magnum calibers are just too much for 99% of the shooters, espically new shooters.

Good point about the recoil. A friends wife just got her first rifle- a 30.06. She is using that low velocity Hornady ammo for that same reason. She just bagged her first whitetail deer the other day.

Phaedrus
11-20-2012, 10:51 PM
I killed my first deer with an ought-six but I've killed more deer with a 6.5 Mauser than anything else. Around here mule deer are about the biggest critters not wearing cowbells.

James Greywolf
11-20-2012, 11:12 PM
Im new to this site, but after reading all the input you got just think about the ulitmate use of the tool you are going to purchase. High powered Magnum pistols are a severe wast of money unless your filming a movie or a game hunting series, "Sporter" rifles are ok if you plan on urban tactical situations. A plain simple Long Gun (Rem 700 from 223 - 308 : test fire several to see your preference) a good scope for long range and mid range shots on big to medium game. Side arm ( should you find a need to carry can range from a .38 - .45 ) anything else is vanity and excess weight.. A small shot gun should also be considered for your cabinet hunting waterfowl and small game takes less effort and waste's less ammo. Just the opinion of an old Jarhead with over 4o years in the field here and elsewhere. Try before you buy. Reputable gun shops often have an indoor range or will set up test fires for unsure buyers.

deafdave3
11-21-2012, 12:57 AM
...... A plain simple Long Gun (Rem 700 from 223 - 308 : test fire several to see your preference) .....

The goal of every ethical hunter is a clean, quick, humane kill. A .223 WILL NOT do that. Hit a deer with a .223 and it will run and die a slow, painful death.

And don't give me that BS about, "I only make head shots."

Power Giant
11-21-2012, 06:56 PM
Im new to this site, but after reading all the input you got just think about the ulitmate use of the tool you are going to purchase. High powered Magnum pistols are a severe wast of money unless your filming a movie or a game hunting series...


Its all in the geography. In this area Grizzly bears attack and kill humans. A Grizzly would laugh at a .45 acp. I carry a 454 Casull wheelgun whenever I am in Grizzly country. I have yet to encounter one while walking in the bush but, better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

tipacanoe
11-21-2012, 08:22 PM
I would agree with getting a Savage in .270 as suggested by Wildthing. As far as the ammo being available, every country store to the big box stores will have this on the top shelf, and it isn't going to cost quite like the 7mm08.

Adventure Wolf
11-22-2012, 02:31 PM
Personally I like the .303 Lee Enfield Rifle. It served the British Empire from 1895 on two world wars, and through the Korean war. Any bolt action that can do that is worthy of respect.

Seriously thou despite the fact that its ammo can be hard to find in some places, it's got good accuracy and power. It's also easy to use and I was able to hit bullseyes after only a few hours of practice.

hunter63
11-22-2012, 03:45 PM
Personally I like the .303 Lee Enfield Rifle. It served the British Empire from 1895 on two world wars, and through the Korean war. Any bolt action that can do that is worthy of respect.

Seriously thou despite the fact that its ammo can be hard to find in some places, it's got good accuracy and power. It's also easy to use and I was able to hit bullseyes after only a few hours of practice.

With all due respect, you don't seriously mean "Hours of practice", did you?........I gotta say that's hardly a good endorsement?

Couple of round you shouls be on paper, and maybe 5 to 10 more for a bull......

Adventure Wolf
11-22-2012, 04:54 PM
With all due respect, you don't seriously mean "Hours of practice", did you?........I gotta say that's hardly a good endorsement?

Couple of round you shouls be on paper, and maybe 5 to 10 more for a bull......

I had graduated from a .22 that day. I had only been shooting for a few weeks. So yes, a few hours.

Hand me a a rifle today, I'll be able to hit bulls eyes after a few shots.

hunter63
11-22-2012, 05:35 PM
I was just wondering........Thanks.

alaskabushman
11-22-2012, 11:44 PM
My personal favorite is the .260 Remington, its quite adequate for our medium Sitka Blacktail deer (I also shot a decent sized black bear at 140 yards with the .260), but my Father-in-law used his on whitetail in Idaho. For a beginner I would go for the new Ruger American in .308, .270 .30-06 simply because anyplace that sells ammo will have good a selection of those calibers. Savage arms makes some nice entry level bolt guns. A T/C with a couple barrels (.308 for deer, 20 Ga Turkey, and .22 for practice) might require a hard look.
Just my 2 cents.

Scotticism101
11-30-2012, 12:06 AM
I generally recommend the 30-06 as a general, all-purpose hunting rifle. It's not overkill on a deer or sheep/mountain goat but can still down a moose or bear without a problem, it can shoot well at distance, and there's about a million different combinations to fit your body type and hunting style. It's been around a long time, is tried and true, and you can find ammunition for it anywhere.

Power Giant
12-01-2012, 04:09 PM
I just got a new Cabelas flier in the mail with a Rossi rifle for sale in it (I can't remember the model though). It was a single shot, that came with three barrels: .22lr, .243, and 20ga. I think it's a pretty neat package and affordably priced.

hunter63
12-01-2012, 06:52 PM
For single shots, I'm a H&R/NEF guy, but gotta say for the money, that would cover a lot of ground......

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