8 reasons why the great depression was a best case scenario

[SHTFMIKE]

This link has many pictures with brief summaries from the great depression era and are EYE OPENING.
If this were to happen today we would truly be screwed.
People that survived the great depression KNEW what it was like to be starving, have nearly no possessions and no running water to bath in.
After the great depression, these are the people that started putting long term food storage to use out of fear that this could happen again.



http://ladypatriotus.blogspot.com/2012/10/8-reasons-why-great-depression-is-best.html

[Rick]

How old are you? Wrong all across the board. Generalizations are always dangerous but your assertions are simply not correct. My part of the country was fairly low on the economic totem pole but few if any were starving. My grandfather had all sorts of farm animals as well as fruit trees and a garden. Their Saturday nights consisted of slaughtering some chickens and enjoying music they performed with neighbors. Sometimes a stolen chicken or two would hit the pot just to aggravate someone (they later found out they were eating their own chickens). They weren't broke until the depression hit and they lost the farm. My dad said it was over night. To think that they were not a consumer/debt society is also wrong. Of course they were. Many times the debt was paid at harvest or at slaughter but it's the exact same thing. They had to have money to buy seed as well as staples like flour and sugar. That was often bartered or a loan was secured just like today.

As for long term food storage that was in the root cellar long before the depression hit. It's how they survived the winter.

The depression of the 30s wasn't the first this country has endured. It was the fifth. Three lasted about 7 years each and two lasted for over a decade.

Unfortunately, that article is little more than a rambling of half truths. Sorry.

[Echo2]

As I've stated before....I feel it will be very similar....other than the level of violence.

[jfeatherjohn]

Both of my folks were members of farm families during that depression. My Dad used to quip, "We were so poor, we didn't experience a depression.
They did; they saw it all around them.
According to him, they put up food year-round.
I think that things were different then. They had outhouses, no refridgerator, a root cellar...well, you know...a lot easier yo tough it out if one is already toughing it out.
Then, as now, people in urban environments will have a bit tougher time, in general. ;-)

[kyratshooter]

What we refer too as the "Great Depression" is not even the worst economic disaster in our nations history. Heavy depressions are about a 20 year cycle with deep depressions once each century no matter what type economy is in place or what checks and balances are installed.

Each of the previous economic crashes resulted in mass migratons to the west as people lost farms and fortunes. There was a huge unchecked collapse after the war of 1812, that resulted in families moving into the "old northwest". Possibly the worst depression on record was the Crash of 1836, which lasted nearly 15 years and resulted in the Indian Removal, the Overland Trail migration, the collapse of the fur trade and Texas entry into the Union leading directly to the Mexican War and our Civil War..

Food storage and preservation is what every generation before us as considered necessary as a simple part of life. It was not survival and it was not unusual, it was just life. My grandad did not start raising hogs and working a garden because of the depression, he did it as a part of normal life. He was a grown man when the depression developed and his parents brought him up working the farm and they put up food in ways most have never used.

If "crash" occurrs tomorrow we will deal with it just as every nation that experiences economic disaster deals with daily life. Just because it has not happened HERE does not mean it has not happened in other civilized, developed, modern nations even in our lifetime.

Guess what?

People still live and work in Bosnia, Kosovo, Argintinia, Brazil after their economies have crashed, civil wars have raged and genocide has occurred. Oddly, many people consider those places HOME and wish to live nowhere else.

[SHTFMIKE]

How old are you? Wrong all across the board. Generalizations are always dangerous but your assertions are simply not correct. My part of the country was fairly low on the economic totem pole but few if any were starving. My grandfather had all sorts of farm animals as well as fruit trees and a garden. Their Saturday nights consisted of slaughtering some chickens and enjoying music they performed with neighbors. Sometimes a stolen chicken or two would hit the pot just to aggravate someone (they later found out they were eating their own chickens). They weren't broke until the depression hit and they lost the farm. My dad said it was over night. To think that they were not a consumer/debt society is also wrong. Of course they were. Many times the debt was paid at harvest or at slaughter but it's the exact same thing. They had to have money to buy seed as well as staples like flour and sugar. That was often bartered or a loan was secured just like today.

As for long term food storage that was in the root cellar long before the depression hit. It's how they survived the winter.

The depression of the 30s wasn't the first this country has endured. It was the fifth. Three lasted about 7 years each and two lasted for over a decade.

Unfortunately, that article is little more than a rambling of half truths. Sorry.

I am 42. You can't put everyone that experienced the great depression in the same generalization either. You think everyone had a farm and put a years worth of food away? Yes, lots of people owned farms but not everyone. What about the millions of people living in cities? I'm pretty sure none of them had root cellars filled with food. What about the families that literally lost everything almost overnight?
And yes, they were a consumer/debt society but absolutely nothing like today. Most people paid for everything in cash. Everyone today uses credit cards. They didn't back then. If you couldn't afford it, you saved enough until you could afford it.
Consumer/ debt ratio's of today society are WELL over what they were in the 30's.
My grandparents lived through it just as well as yours did. Yours may have had a farm with livestock and crops, mine did not. My grandparents had to migrate halfway across the country to live with their relatives. At least they were able to do that. Many families didn't have that option. I have heard many accounts from elderly people that lived through it and some of the stories would make you sick to your stomach.

If we had a great depression now in this day and age what do you think would happen? You think the welfare checks will just keep coming with no money to pay for it? Does the Gov. have enough money to put EVERYONE on welfare? What will happen when people can't feed their children these days?. There would be anarchy.


My grandparents had to learn the hard way about putting food away for an emergency. They started doing it after they got back on their feet.

[Rick]

I think it would be like it has always been during a depression. People are people. Only the technology changes. You sort of missed my point. People lived their life prior to the depression of the 30s. They did what they did because they didn't know any better. They had nothing to compare it to. Just like we do what we do today because we can't see the future to compare it to. Families had large numbers of offspring prior to the depression because they had food. No animal produces a large number of offspring in lean times. As KY said. It's all cyclical. It's supposed to be by design.

[Echo2]

If the dollar were to be down graded to junk on the global market due to the over production of dead presidents........what do you see the first 3 months of that being like?

Will everyone be able to continue to do what they do?

I think the first few months will be somewhat chaotic before the normalization begins.....chaotic meaning ultra violent in the metropolitan and urban areas....then it will spread from those areas to the more rural areas....and the thinning of the population will happen during the first winter.

One thing that helped other nations that have had an economical collapse....is there was some big country with a ton of milk and honey to spare held out a hand and stabilized them until they began to reset their currency and pick a direction to go.

Who will be there to hold our hand?

Essentially China has been holding out hand for a while out of fear....because if we go....they feel the monetary effect hard. They have been working hard to diversify over the last few years....but the majority of their eggs are still in our basket.

Will Russia come to our aid.....we helped some....but didn't jump to bail them out after the cold war.

The Brits?.....they are in the same boat as us....if not worse.

The EU....yeah right.

Either way...I try to keep one ear to the ground so I can figure out when to look at the BOL as home.

[hunter63]

This seems to me rehashing old news......Have y'all been putting food/stuff by?....learning skills that will keep you well, and fed?
Do you keep your bills paid, your stuff paid for?
These are the things that should be important, as there isn't much you can do about the world.....Your world starts at home.

Hanky wringing doesn't account for much.......

[Rick]

What would the first three months after a comet strike be like? Sort of like planning around hypotheticals. By the way, you won't live to see that happen.

[hunter63]

Won't have to worry about it after Dec 22nd.........

[Echo2]

I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can prep for a earth ending event.....but I can have my house in order for an economic event.

Do you think the odds of a comet impact is the same as a economic event?

[Rick]

The sound you heard was the point of my post flying past. I wasn't comparing odds simply pointing out that attempting to judge what life would be like three months after any event is senseless and an impossible task. In other news......So....you ARE arrogant enough to think that you can prep for an economic event? Bazinga! (I slay myself)

[SHTFMIKE]

In 2004 Hurricane Charley whipped through my area and blew down thousands of trees which in tun pulled many power lines down with it. The power was out for 2 weeks. We were under a boil water alert for most of that time. Boiling water on the grill was tough. I didn't have more than a weeks worth of food combined then. All the perishable food was ruined after 24 hours. I had to cook all of our meals on the grill. I burned through cash like nobody's business. That was cash i had in the house. Getting money from the bank was impossible due to the power outage.
Credit cards were useless because of the power outage; unless the merchant had the old fashioned card swipe machines.

An economic collapse would be 10 times worse. Merchants may not accept credit at that point. Who knows what will become of the trucking industry at that point. Will food supplies even make it to markets???
Municipalities should stay as is; (should).
Imagine not being able to pay your utilities, your mortgage, food.
Now imagine all the unprepared masses. What will happen next would be complete havoc.

Can you prepare for an economic collapse? I like to think i have all my ducks in a row but who knows. Until it happens.

[Echo2]

The sound you heard was the point of my post flying past. I wasn't comparing odds simply pointing out that attempting to judge what life would be like three months after any event is senseless and an impossible task. In other news......So....you ARE arrogant enough to think that you can prep for an economic event? Bazinga! (I slay myself)

Knowing what life will be like in <*arbitrary number here*> is a bit far fetched yes.....But I would think that if someone could drop out of day to day interaction with the populaces at large for 18+ months.....and also have enough supplies laid back to sustain farming and harvesting for an additional 5+ years.....teach his children up to and exceeding a high school education.....and have a sizable number of folks to provide security for a well defend-able position.... and enough PM to cover 3 months wages......He may be able to hedge the effects of an economical event....slightly.

He may be totally wrong....but in the spirit of "hope for the best and prepare for the worst".....I think he'd be doing the best job he could.

His core ideology has been aimed at keeping his children from looking to him and saying "I'm hungry"....and not being able to do anything about it.

How long could most folks go before going hungry?

[kyratshooter]

In case of the previous do you want to know who has stockpiles of years of food, years of fuel, plenty of ammo and the expressed responsibility to maintain order?

The military.

If the nation decends into chaos they will step in and maintain order just like they did in the GD.

Contrary to popular belief that was not a span of time that was deviod of violence or masses of starving demanding hope and change! The nation experienced a near Coup de' etat buy a military industrial coilition, wild violent protest, occupation mobs in Washington DC, border closures of specific states attempting to preserve their rescources and militay intervention against the civilian population on a massive scale.

[Echo2]

Quite true....but if martial law were to be initiated here in the states on a large scale....meaning major metropolitan areas....I kinda look at that as a "nation ending" event.

I shudder to think of the loss of life.

I wonder which sect of ideologies would come from that....an which we would fall in to.

[kyratshooter]

Major metropolitan areas are not the entire nation. The rest of the nation knows that those areas are controlled by the "Bread and circus" program and from the suburbs out there is a seperate nation.

Riots and the control of riots are not unknown in our nation, even on a widespead and organized agenda, and the entire nation is not going to rise up in rebellion due to the "powers that be" moving to control violence in the urban centers. No one in Nabraska rose in rebellion when Detroit burned and the 101 airborne entred the city, no one is South Carolina organized a militia group to assist rioters in Watts as they fought the California NG and no one came to the aid of rioters in Cincinnatti back in 2002 as they fought the agencies of control. They did not in the 1960s-1970s and it will be no diffrent now.

The size of our nation's land mass insures that even these huge metro areas are viewed as localized events by those 2000 miles away. It would be espically true if the internet and cell phone communications were restricted, media outlets controlled an land lines and ham radio monitored.

Our nation uses the same process as the old Soviet Union in controlling these disturbances. NG units from other states and areas are often transferred to those locations to insure they are not operating against friends, family and neighbors. They view themselves as agents of law and order, not the military-political complex.

Do not forget that our experiment in republican government is a short little span of time. Most of world history has been spent under the control of kings, emperors or dictatiors who held power through force and were not hesitant to kill hundreds of thousands of their own people to maintain that control.

[Echo2]

My goal as a parent is to keep my family as far away from harms way as possible.....let those who are going to tear themselves apart....do so.

What worries me is how many new regulations will be put in to place for "our safety".

What will be the cost of safety but the loss of freedoms....and are all to suffer for those that go bananas?

When Katrina hit....they tried to confiscate weapons....The BATFE had boats stationed above the gun stores waiting for the water to subside. Do you see this going well in a nationwide setting?

As far as media being restricted....one thing we have in this country....is a GIAGANTIC HAM community.....The restriction of news I feel will prove harder than taking over AM/FM and TV.....and that land mass makes it very difficult to jam everything else.

Our little Republic may not be around forever....but good lord will it be messy when ending....:(

[SHTFMIKE]

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin.



"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions." James Madison.

[ElevenBravo]

Im with Echo, we have similar/same mindset on many points. (Echo, dont leave for your BOL without me... I has cookies!).

I know him personally and would trust myself and my family with him and his. I hope his feelings are reciprocal, I fear trying to sort through this all by myself. Hunting & security alone is a 24 hr job.

Anyway... money, being the root of all evil IMHO will sure be the catalyst to the next big event, or so in my mind's eye.

To compare the depression with anything is a waste of time. Rather, examine it for history's sake and see how in present day you can anticipate actions/reactions to be and if nothing else, be aware of those points.

Andrew

[jfeatherjohn]

Our lines of thought don't always lead to congruent actions.
For example, my current plan is to be a fefugee. So, why is it that I am brushing up on my health care knowledge, studying worse-times health care, adding things to my supplies that are more likely to help someone else than me? Am I coming to your house? Not unless I know you have made some provision for you and yours.
See, its not congruent.
I must have some idea in the back of my feeble mind what "that" is going to be like; I iust can't fully envision it.
Half of my preps will be completely unneccessary...I just don't know which half it is.

[Wildthang]

Well I think if we ever have a depression of the same magnitude as the great depression, our society is not near as ready for it. Modern age people do not have a clue as to how to survive without money, utilities, grocery stores etc. Most people are much better adapted to modern susburban life and would perish very quickly under a severe depression.

[kyratshooter]

You guys think there was no money, utilitites or grocery stores during the GD, had never been, and everyone went to the barter system???

If your present planning is based on your preception of the past you will be in for a woeful shock!

Get off the survival forums and into the history and economics sections of the internet. No wikipedia is not a valid scource, and grandads memory of when he was three is not what it used to be, get some real history. Learn what actually happened and not the mythology and plan your actions based on the facts. And come to the realization that just because someone agrees with you does not make them right. Both of you may be wrong if both of you are using the same wrong scource.

This is like adults planning Christmas for their kids based on the firm belief in Santa Claus.

[crashdive123]

Wait a second! What about Santa Claus?

[Echo2]

I'm not planning on the future based on the past. I'm looking at what's going on around us.

A few questions:

Do you think that with the course we are on financially as a country.....that the way of life that everyone has become accustom to will hold true?

Do you believe that as a country.....the citizens will pull together and help one another.....and the military will come in to feed everyone who needs help and peacefully maintain order...if a financial event were to come about?

Do you think that if the dollar has to make a correction.....and let's say for arguments sake it is a drop in value (if you believe it will go up....well....I don't know what to say).....That commerce will continue as normal....and shipping of goods will not be interrupted?

Do you think that if a value correction of the dollar is enacted.....that other countries will still be willing to invest in the US market and/or treasury bonds?.....If so...will it be at the current interest rate we are paying now?

Do you think folks will continue to work at minimum wage jobs....if the value of the currency is dropped?

Do you think that if we were to introduce another .5% to 1% into the ranks of the unemployed and/or welfare recipients....could the country could make that adjustment?

Do you think that "great depression" was globally looked on as a depression....or a recession?

Do you think if our country were to have a currency correction....being now the largest consumer in the global market.....would a US economic depression have more of a global impact than in the 30s?

Last one....Where do you think the US Dollar stands in today's global market?

[kyratshooter]

What is your point?

And what do you intend to do about it?

[Echo2]

The point is to see what your take on the state of the fiscal security of the US......

And there's not a lot I can do but sit back and watch.

If you do not wish to answer.....that is your choice.

I'll be up here at the North Pole....

[kyratshooter]

There is no answer for the supositions presented. None of them are inevitable and none are that much diffrent than they were 40 years ago. I have lived through worse than we have now. It is simply happening to other folks this time and not to me.

I am a prepper due to what I have already been through, not due to the unknown events I expect to happen.

[Echo2]

So you are saying that the US economy is in the same position as it was 40 years ago?

Do you read any financial publications?

And.....do you not have and opinion?.....that's all the questions were asking.

[kyratshooter]

Yes, I read conomic reports. My homepage on the computer tracks the economy and economic decisions on an hourly basis.

I remember the economic situation of 40 years ago very well. I was a grown man 40 years ago. I remember a new econmic term invented in that era called "stagflation" where production and jobs shut down and inflation continued at rapid rate. I remember the Carter years with 20% unemployment and friends that did have jobs buying houses at 20% interest. We were in worse shape then than now. Remembe that the media is not tracking "worst in 100 year numbers, they are tracking worst since 1980 when we sent Carter home!

The "Prepper/survivalist movement" started in that era with the expectation of immidiate collapse of the economy, social order and government. How could it go on with spending outpacing revenues and unlimited borrowing? It had to collapse!

We pulled through.

The condition of the economy and the prognostications on downturns, upturns, stagnation or growth are irrelevant. I can not predect the actions of the fed, the actions of congress, the actions of the treasury or the manipulations of the yen, yon or euro.

The thread is not about the economy, it is about the reaction of people to the economy and their relationships to others based on economic panic. To speculate on such things is to declare human behavior predictable and rational, or predictably irrational.

My "opinion" is that as long as the government has the money to pay an army, or influnce enought to control an unpaid army, they will maintain power and control by any means necessary, to preserve and perpetuate their power. That is what governments do.

[Echo2]

And that is why no hard predictions were asked for....just opinions.

[your_comforting_company]

To my recollection, the recounts of my grandparents was much the same as this. They worked, raised animals, ate them, foraged foods, recycled cloth into clothing, and survived quite easily. This area is rich, with a long growing season, so it wouldn't be that hard here. Their Friday nights, usually were the slaughter nights, and Saturrdays were when they feasted and made music with whatever they had... moonshine jugs and spoons, cigar box guitars, and tin-can tambourines.

Those were the days!


How old are you? Wrong all across the board. Generalizations are always dangerous but your assertions are simply not correct. My part of the country was fairly low on the economic totem pole but few if any were starving. My grandfather had all sorts of farm animals as well as fruit trees and a garden. Their Saturday nights consisted of slaughtering some chickens and enjoying music they performed with neighbors. Sometimes a stolen chicken or two would hit the pot just to aggravate someone (they later found out they were eating their own chickens). They weren't broke until the depression hit and they lost the farm. My dad said it was over night. To think that they were not a consumer/debt society is also wrong. Of course they were. Many times the debt was paid at harvest or at slaughter but it's the exact same thing. They had to have money to buy seed as well as staples like flour and sugar. That was often bartered or a loan was secured just like today.

As for long term food storage that was in the root cellar long before the depression hit. It's how they survived the winter.

The depression of the 30s wasn't the first this country has endured. It was the fifth. Three lasted about 7 years each and two lasted for over a decade.

Unfortunately, that article is little more than a rambling of half truths. Sorry.

[your_comforting_company]

it is about the reaction of people to the economy and their relationships to others based on economic panic. To speculate on such things is to declare human behavior predictable and rational

Totally agree!

[Rick]

Do you think that with the course we are on financially as a country.....that the way of life that everyone has become accustom to will hold true?

Impossible to answer no matter your opinion. You are making the assumption that no corrective action can or will be taken. I don't believe that to be the case. There is still plenty of room and time to make corrections. Taxes will increase and services eliminated. If your job is eliminated do to government cutbacks then no, of course not. If you are not impacted by the cutbacks then there is no reason why your life style should be impacted. Actually, no different than today.

Do you believe that as a country.....the citizens will pull together and help one another.....and the military will come in to feed everyone who needs help and peacefully maintain order...if a financial event were to come about?

Spuriously rigged question. Calls for an opinion with no basis in fact no matter what your opinion is. Purely assumption.

Do you think that if the dollar has to make a correction.....and let's say for arguments sake it is a drop in value (if you believe it will go up....well....I don't know what to say).....That commerce will continue as normal....and shipping of goods will not be interrupted?

Your question is based on the assumption of a devaluation. There is no evidence currently that this direction will be taken. (other than a few talking heads. The same ones that said we were doomed in 2007, 8, 9, 10, 11....)

Do you think that if a value correction of the dollar is enacted.....that other countries will still be willing to invest in the US market and/or treasury bonds?.....If so...will it be at the current interest rate we are paying now?

See above.

Do you think folks will continue to work at minimum wage jobs....if the value of the currency is dropped?

Of course. In an economic downturn of any size where there is unemployment people will work at any job they can find.

Do you think that if we were to introduce another .5% to 1% into the ranks of the unemployed and/or welfare recipients....could the country could make that adjustment?

We actually have and did. The unemployment rate is down to 7.8% from a high of 10.0 back in 2009. You do know it was as high as 10.8% in 1982 (another recession) and 24.75 in 1933. So yeah, we'll adjust just fine.

Do you think that "great depression" was globally looked on as a depression....or a recession?

By definition it was a depression.

Do you think if our country were to have a currency correction....being now the largest consumer in the global market.....would a US economic depression have more of a global impact than in the 30s?

Calls for an opinion with no basis in fact no matter what position you take. By the way, we are NOT the largest consumer in the global market. China is. Our manufacturing base is starting to grow because we are now starting to export to China's middle class. You gotta hit the books.

All of your questions are negatively slanted toward your opinion. They are not unbiased or objective but force the reader to make assumptions aligned with your way of thinking. I choose not to do that. Sorry.

[kyratshooter]

Rick has more time and patience then I do.

Every generation thinks there's is the only one that has gone through the repeating economic cycles, things are worse now then ever before and the only outcome is enevitable total collapse.

I fear the ease of mapulation of this thought process to some individual or groups' advantage much more than I fear being poor.

[Echo2]

Do you think that with the course we are on financially as a country.....that the way of life that everyone has become accustom to will hold true?

Impossible to answer no matter your opinion. You are making the assumption that no corrective action can or will be taken. I don't believe that to be the case. There is still plenty of room and time to make corrections. Taxes will increase and services eliminated. If your job is eliminated do to government cutbacks then no, of course not. If you are not impacted by the cutbacks then there is no reason why your life style should be impacted. Actually, no different than today.

*What sector of employment has increased more in the last few years?....have those receiving gov't handouts went up?

Do you believe that as a country.....the citizens will pull together and help one another.....and the military will come in to feed everyone who needs help and peacefully maintain order...if a financial event were to come about?

Spuriously rigged question. Calls for an opinion with no basis in fact no matter what your opinion is. Purely assumption.

*This calls of an opinion of your perception of the populace at large.....and the role the military would play....in the event of a acute economic crisis.

Do you think that if the dollar has to make a correction.....and let's say for arguments sake it is a drop in value (if you believe it will go up....well....I don't know what to say).....That commerce will continue as normal....and shipping of goods will not be interrupted?

Your question is based on the assumption of a devaluation. There is no evidence currently that this direction will be taken. (other than a few talking heads. The same ones that said we were doomed in 2007, 8, 9, 10, 11....)

*Yeah....Those talking heads at the WSJ, Forbes, Business Insider, CNN money, FOX Business, Bloomberg....They don't have a clue.

Do you think that if a value correction of the dollar is enacted.....that other countries will still be willing to invest in the US market and/or treasury bonds?.....If so...will it be at the current interest rate we are paying now?

See above.

*See above.

Do you think folks will continue to work at minimum wage jobs....if the value of the currency is dropped?

Of course. In an economic downturn of any size where there is unemployment people will work at any job they can find.

*That's true...unless the almost 2 years of unemployment benefits currently being offered looks more appealing. But I yield to this.....some folks will work rather than join the folks sucking the gov't tit.

Do you think that if we were to introduce another .5% to 1% into the ranks of the unemployed and/or welfare recipients....could the country could make that adjustment?

We actually have and did. The unemployment rate is down to 7.8% from a high of 10.0 back in 2009. You do know it was as high as 10.8% in 1982 (another recession) and 24.75 in 1933. So yeah, we'll adjust just fine.

*Forbes and the WSJ has stated that real numbers are between 12 and 14%.....job creation vs population growth....also...did you know that if you are no longer eligible for unemployment benefits....you are no longer unemployed....weird aint it.

Do you think that "great depression" was globally looked on as a depression....or a recession?

By definition it was a depression.

*In the US it was by definition it was a depression...by what I've read from a global standpoint it was a recession....we felt the brunt of it nationally.

Do you think if our country were to have a currency correction....being now the largest consumer in the global market.....would a US economic depression have more of a global impact than in the 30s?

Calls for an opinion with no basis in fact no matter what position you take. By the way, we are NOT the largest consumer in the global market. China is. Our manufacturing base is starting to grow because we are now starting to export to China's middle class. You gotta hit the books.

All of your questions are negatively slanted toward your opinion. They are not unbiased or objective but force the reader to make assumptions aligned with your way of thinking. I choose not to do that. Sorry.




*Calls for an opinion....and China has surpassed us as the world's largest economy...and they are the largest consumer of raw materials....but their economy is at present....standing still.

And as far slanting the questions....I'm sorry you can't look at them objectively. Sometime when a mind is made up and all other are wrong....the view of questions can appear to be skewed....just ask Santa.

[Rick]

Sounds much like a kettle calling the pot black. You accuse me of a closed mind? You are but one of the latest in a very long string of posters that proclaim the end of the world. There have been many, many of you stretching back to the beginning of the forum, in 2007. I really don't give a tinkers damn what anyone's opinion is one way or the other. But there are a good many people that don't have an education on economics and finance. No harm or foul in that in any way. They just haven't had the opportunity or perhaps the desire. So when some mystic steps forth with a proclamation of doom and gloom they not only listen it scares them a bit. Enter me. Since 2007 I have been one of the very few voices that poo poos you yodelers because I do understand both economics and finance and I can actually read a profit and loss statement and I browse the dailies. It might also interest you to know that I do read a good many that I think are a bit tuity fruity just so I get both sides of the platform. I assure you my mind is not closed although that's about the...mmmm... thirtieth time someone has tried to mock me by saying so. I'm not easily mocked.

I've been called a good number of names both publicly and even more privately. Some of the PMs I've received would raise an eyebrow or two in the more gentile set but it gives me a good chuckle. I've stood rock solid in a gale of taunts since 2007 and will continue to weather the storm quite nicely. You nay sayers come and go usually right after the proclaimed date fails to materialize. I am here to give the good people the "rest of the story" (aka the truth).

Yes, if you haven't guessed by now, I am Economics Man! I add faster than an ENIAC. Able to balance a budget with a single calculator. Look up in the derivatives! It's a comptroller. It's an auditor. No, it's Economics Man!!!!!!

There. My cover is blown. I hope you're happy.


Oh, crap. Would you look at that? The end of the earth IS near. Really glad I don't live in Houghton

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[LowKey]

I don't think I'd call the Back to Earth movement of the late 70's the start of Preppers and Survivalists. They started long before that. But the Back to Earth movement 40 years ago was in response to some serious belt tightening. Which is why my dad had me raising chickens and my mom learned to can foods we grew in a garden on a 1/4 acre. We bought beef by the hindquarter, not the best cuts and most of it hamburg, but it was cheap and it was meat. I also remember my mom crying when the whole ham of a pig got ruined when it didn't brine properly before smoking. Mom even taught me to sew so I could mend my own clothes and keep wearin them.
You learn to make do.
Present economy? I've already fallen back on what my parents taught me. Better than waiting around and being surprised, no matter the outcome. We came out of it then and will again. Too many 'survivalists' are slathering at the bit waiting to fend off the mad city hordes. Personally I'd rather not.

[Echo2]

Well....Then I guess a agreement to disagree is as close as we'll get to seeing eye to eye.

For the record though...I'm not saying that this the the "end of days".....or that this means that it is "doomsday".....I'll just say "very bleak"

I also am not calling names...."Santa" is a reference to an earlier post.

I hope....and I mean really really hope that my fears are never realized....But I look around and see a slow motion train wreck.

My business...that I started 6 years ago.....is having a banner year...we have made more money this year than the past 5....but the only reason that it is happening is my competition is closing down. Mine is the only shop of it's size left in a 20+ mile radius.

I wish you...or anyone else could give me a scenario....that ends well.

I personally just find it hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel that doesn't involve a train.....but the future is not set....either direction.

[Rick]

Disagree it 'tis! Seeing eye to eye is certainly more preferable than navel to navel.

[kyratshooter]

*Calls for an opinion....and China has surpassed us as the world's largest economy...and they are the largest consumer of raw materials....but their economy is at present....standing still.

And as far slanting the questions....I'm sorry you can't look at them objectively. Sometime when a mind is made up and all other are wrong....the view of questions can appear to be skewed....just ask Santa.

CHINA is ot the largest mfg country in the world. That is another myth that has been continually perpetuated to maintain a negitive econimic forecasr.

http://www.seeitmarket.com/u-s-still-in-the-business-of-making-things/

The U.S. is still the leading producer.

[Echo2]

CHINA is ot the largest mfg country in the world. That is another myth that has been continually perpetuated to maintain a negitive econimic forecasr.

http://www.seeitmarket.com/u-s-still-in-the-business-of-making-things/

The U.S. is still the leading producer.

We may be the largest manufacturing country...but we are not the largest economy.

They are the largest consumer of raw materials.....for producing their own infrastructure.

The reason things like scrap iron went through the roof a couple years ago...is because they were building the 3 rivers project. We were sending freighters over there full of iron to be turned into rebar.....it was the largest construction project ever.

The bizarre thing...they have cities and towns sitting empty....no one is able to do anything with them.

Last year the service industry in the US surpassed the manufacturing industry....first time in US history.

[lumpy]

Deleted by lumpy.Emotional based comments don't help the learning process that we are all here for.

[Rick]

Technically, the European Union is the world's largest ECONOMY but most folks think in terms of countries. However, the EU allows free trade within their borders, employment across national boundaries and most share the same currency so you have to calculate them into the mix. They zipped past us four or five years ago based on GDP.

I will also concede that the U.S. might still hold a slight edge on China since 2012's numbers won't be known for several months. But whoever holds the lead this year it is very close. China has experienced phenomenal GDP growth over the last several years. They ended 2011 with a growth rate of 9.1% compared to the U.S. rate of 1.7%. You can't sustain that kind of growth though even if wealth accrues at the same rate. We've already seen their numbers drop a couple of points this year so 2012 numbers will be interesting to watch.

Lumpy - No blood no foul on here. Hopefully, we are all adult enough to argue, discuss, shake fingers and sling mud and still respect one another's opinions and buy them a drink when the arm wrestling is over. Echo (or anyone else) is more than welcome to his opinion and I respect him even if I might disagree. Being able to cuss and discuss both sides of a given coin allows everyone else to take pause and think about where they stand on an issue and make up their own minds based on facts that get presented (hopefully a few actually get thrown in). We cannot grow or even make a rational decision on a subject by looking at only one side of the issue. So I appreciate your comment even though you deleted your post. You are spot on!

[old2531]

when i was a kid most suberb familys had gardens and at least one or two fruit trees i dont see much of that anymore ,i see more of if dont have ill take yours by force not the idea of bill u grow squash ill grow green beans and radishes and we will share that community spirit is gone the i want it now generation now controls our world

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