Poll: I know a prepper, they are ready or now?

[ElevenBravo]

I know of a few people at work that are 'preppers', or 'survivalist'. They think they are ready for a SHTF situation. After a fair amount of discussion, I come to conclude.. they have a few preps and a decent weapon, but totally lack the skills & experience to actually 'make it' in a serious situation.

My thoughts are, the following areas must be met in order to have 1/2 a chance, along with some luck, to be successful in a SHTF scenario (YMMV, please contribute if I have any errors or omisions):

* Basic & 'advanced' land navigation skills & experience
* 'Tactical' handgun & long gun skills & experience
* Construction of shelter skills & experience
* Perimeter security skills & experience
* Patrolling & recon skills & experience
* Hunting & fishing skills & experience
* Sufficient ammo reserves for hunting & defense
* Reasonable caliber handgun & long gun for hunting & defense
* Ability to remain calm, cool & collective
* Have a plan
* First aid & emergency medical skills & experience
* Communication (HAM, GMRS, FRS, ETC...) skills & experience
* Self defense (hand to hand, martial arts, etc...) skills & experience
* Water collection & purification skills & experience
* In reasonably good physical condition (not obese, decent cardio shape, etc..)
* Reasonable supplies of food for supplemental nutrition
* Ability to cook (can make fire, has camp stoves, dutch ovens, etc.. etc...)
* Has a library (FMs, TMs, Foxfire collection, etc... etc...)
* Tools in inventory (Shovel, axe, rake, pick, post hole digger, etc... etc...)
* Emergency power (solar, generator, etc..) to fill individual needs
* Outdoor clothing for all weather & conditions (rain, snow, hot, cold, etc...)

I think thats about the core of it, if I am in error or left anything out please advise.

So, anyway, I now two people at work that are ready for SHTF, or so they think... mainly because they have flour in mylar bags and an assault rifle... but they dont know much of anything else, or have done much of anything. Instead of getting in the field on the weekends and learning new skills they are glued to the TV watching 'The Colony' or some other staged program.

So what say you? If you dont know a 'prepper' other than yourself, no need to vote. If you do know one, do you think they are prepared or just an arm chair prepper??

Ill be curious to see the votes!!

Cheers,
Andrew

[intothenew]

You left out barns, root cellars, and corn cribs, among many things.

"Prepping" doesn't have to be an AK and mylar. Polk stalks and sawdust has worked for quite a while.

You don't have to be completely independent. Family, friends, and community can offer incredible resources.

If you tell everything you know, you don't know anything. Maybe, just maybe, you're not getting the whole story.

[Rick]

You left off "Don't know any preppers" from the poll. I can't say I know anyone that's prepared.

I also think it depends on what you are prepping for. Since my preps are for weather related events I don't need patrolling and recon skills or martial arts skills. If you prep for the end of the Mayan calendar then maybe you're right. As for me, I could toss in roofing, electrical wiring, framing carpentry, fire control (house fire, not artillery). Others might toss in mechanical aptitude, automotive repair, etc. It really depends on why you are prepping.

[BENESSE]

I don't talk to people about it. Why on earth would anyone do that unless they were really, really close?

[crashdive123]

I don't discuss it much either. Also - by your list it appears that you are preparing for something specific. Keep in mind that not all that prepare believe they will have to live off the land or go into battle.

[Echo2]

I know this is a "Wilderness Survival" website....But I'm not prepping to live in a cave and eat grubs....I have a place to go.

The wilderness survival end of things will generally be for hoofing it to the BOL.

So there is an "end goal" of surviving the wild.

Now if you want to get in to discussing stationary supplies and perimeter fortification.....:)

[Cast-Iron]

I think you need to realistically assess the scenarios that you're prepping for. Those which have the greatest likelihood of occurance probably won't require many of defense assets and tactics you mentioned. Personally, I emphasize the maintenance of sufficient caloric intake, potable water, adequate shelter, proper sanitation and some non-traditional medical assets as my highest priorities for any extended disruptions which could arise. These are the preparations I feel we all should be making now for ourselves and our families.

As I prefer to hunt to supplement my carnivorous tendencies, firearms and ammunition already have a place in my present life. They have the added benefit of deterence in the event of a home invasion, but that isn't their intended use.

Security can be achieved through many means without the need for conflict or lethal force. Geographic separation, camouflage & concealment, and dispersion of assets all offer added security without the need for or threat of violence.

Technical knowledge, tools, and marketable skills have greater value after the situation/event/crisis has passed and you find yourself in the rebuild/repair/recovery mode.

My $0.02

[natertot]

I agree with what others have said. I prepare for weather and environmental factors. They are most likely to occur and in the event something greater happens, chances are my weather preps will see me through with enough perserverence.

[kyratshooter]

Never discount the "unprepared".

I am reminded of two quotes while reading this thread.

Winston Churchill once said that "Americans will always do the right thing, after they have exhaused all other options."

Helmuth von Moltke said " No plan survives first contact with the enemy."

We were unprepared for the Great Depression, WW2, the cold war, Korea and Viet Namn. We were unprepared for th WTC bombings, the Iraq invasion and Afganistan. We were unprepared for Hurricane Katrina. We were unprepared for the present economic mess we are enduring. You can not prepare for everything and you can becone a parinoid, isolated hermit (a true nut job) on everyones "watch list' if you obsess over it.

No matter what the world throws at us we are unprepared. No matter how "prepared" we think we are there will always be an outside force, nature or human, that skirts our best efforts.

In the end, the supplies will run out. Then we are in no better condition that the one that had no supplies

Our BOL may be comprimised, disrupted, burned. Then we are in no better situation that one that did not spend months or years preparing the BOL.

Our BOV may be blocked by gridlock, militia roadblocks, community action, and we have to abandon it. There goes the months of prep and years of making payments on the "perfect vehicle".

We have everything on the list but the efforts and mindset of doing so has turned us into a mean and hateful distrusting fool that no one can stand to be around, so when we get sick no one will give a crap and they let us die.

What is the most common SHTF senerio we encounter on this forum?

1. job layoffs that deplete the money rescources.
2 medical issues that cause pain and deplete the money rescopurces
3 natural disasters that we can do not one thing to prevent and can only react too.

These are minor problems only when they are happening to someone else. Their convinience is that they are isolated, individual, private and we discount them as "real problems" that we should prepare for. We are waiting for a mushroom cloud, cascading darkeness as the lights go out and roving bands of looters so we can live out of a backpack eating roots, berries an bugs.

When it all comes down to the final count, true SHTF or TEOTWAWKI, there are going to be lot of "sheeple" that suffer. There are going to be a lot of "preppers" that suffer.

Your list is a very partial effort. It leans heavily on YOUR military experience. You have a given senerio in mind and have equipped as a modern suburbanite with military training would. There are other options, other things for other lists. There are also other mindsets that are in place or will develop as situations change and disasters occurr.

Strangely, I do not want the people I know, who are in my area, who are "best equipped" as my close companions in a bad situation. Most are self centered, selfish, narcisistic, mental cases that have all the right equipment because they feel they are entitled to be the warlord rulers of the post apociliptic world.

I am an old man, living in a rural community made up of strong willed, hard working people that are used to doing things for themselves. I have evaluated each and every one of them for their ability to contribute in a long term disaster. They do not realize they are on a checklist. I also have to remind myself that I am on their checklist.

It is a list of "the 'sheeple' I want beside me when things get bad".

[Rick]

KY - You are starting to make this a habit. I agree with everything you said. I'd like to believe that you are the one coming around to my point of view. Oh, what the heck, it's my story so I can tell it however I want to. Nice post.

[BornthatWay]

Here, here Kyrat. I agree whole heartedly with what you are saying. And welll put I might add.

[jfeatherjohn]

I have a lot of those things, and experience. Is watching where the game goes to drink, and how they get there, recon?
Is taking a quiet walk, 50 yards out from the camp, to see what might be there, perimeter defense?
I have a friend who is prepped, but hasn't addressed how might cook all those canned goods.
He lives about smack dab middle of a community of 40,000, and
doesn't know a single dirt road in the entire county.
Where he lives, (not far from me), it is flat and scrubby, and the wind blows ALL the time.
If the fire comes at him, he is going to need a shelter, because he will have very little on him, and he won't know where elso to go.
He is not a prepper.

[kyratshooter]

KY - You are starting to make this a habit. I agree with everything you said. I'd like to believe that you are the one coming around to my point of view. Oh, what the heck, it's my story so I can tell it however I want to. Nice post.

We do differ in one reguard.

I still have the deep seated belief that things can and will "go wrong" on a major scale. I do not know how we have escaped the inevitable for as long as we have.

I feel there are certain things each person should have, and certain things each person should know, and most of them are not "wilderness survival skills". Some of that knowledge/ability has been declared illigal, so we will never discuss it here. Some of the equipment is so basic it is often overlooked by people not used to rural life and plenty of storage space.

I simply do not discredit people as unneeded or not deserving of life if they do not have all the gear, and food stores I have and their house is not arranged as I would want mine.

I think that if you polled all the survival foums that exist now or have existed in the past you will find the most popular querry in all those places has been "How do I get my wife/husband on board?". Are you married to a person that tolerates your strange little ways? Do you hide preps? Are you married to a sheeple?

We call them "sheeple" as a dehumanizing term as we have always done when we mentally prepared ourselves to ignore our own unhuman behavior. Yankees, Rebs, Bluebellies, Jerries, Gooks, Nips, Krauts, Charlie, Ragheads and worse terms come to mind. It is a requirement of the human mind to disassociate from reality before we can brutalize.

In turn, we seek out "like minded" individuals, and often find that they are really not "like minded" or sometimes not "right minded".

There is a dfference between sharing rescources and viewing everyone else as a rescource to exploit.

And I espically do not count all the people I know, that are fully prepped, as exceptional induviduals I want knowing my address.

[Echo2]

It is true that we were not prepared for for many of the disasters that have fell upon humanity in the past.

It is very true that all your preps will run out.

Mindset, above all....is what is important.

The one thing that scares the crap out of me....is back in the depression and WWII, most folks still had a basic understanding of right and wrong....and generally there was an understanding of day to day hardships. Even the lower end of the social spectrum had to work for what they got to an extent.....most still had out houses....cooked every meal...walked to places......That has changed.

A lot of the country has become spoiled....even us who feel prepared. So what will be the general practice of the 3rd generation of welfare recipients? Will they go after their own communities first? Is there enough resources in their AO to subdue them for even a week? When will they begin to venture out and seek other resources? You know it is coming.

The quote by Mr Churchill is a good one....but that was also said at a time when it was taboo to be take handouts. Then...if a man needed a hand out....it was just until they could get back on their feet.

In the depression....you had men standing in massive lines for a job....willing to work their fingers to the bone for a meal to feed his family. Do you really see that among the masses now? The breadlines of those days have been replaced today by little plastic cards that the govt charges up for them on a monthly basis. There is no humility there.

No plan....even plan "B,C,D,& E"...will ever be enough to cover all the bases. The best you can hope for is to set yourself up in such a fashion that you have the best chance possible. I do understand that the average prepper has the "alpha" gene...they wouldn't be preparing otherwise. (but that is a different story). Yet even a Alpha knows that survival of the den may lie within the pack.

This country has set itself up in such a manor that our younger generation will not have the opportunities that we have had. Most will never see the incomes and benefits we have either. The corporate world is not set up for a person to join in to their workforce...and retire from there.

The educational system is no longer effective for teaching our children the basics....they are only focused on SOLs.

Our Group....when you break it down to trying to explain why we formed....it is for our children. I want my kids to have a sense of normalcy. I want them to learn right from wrong, good from bad....and to have an understanding of the meaning of honor, self worth, freedom, and justice. We have the means to teach our kids in all subjects...we do now, and plan to do so in the event. All the resources we have amassed over the last few years....is geared to the continuation of them. For when you look at it realistically....you can build monuments and wealth....whatever....the only thing you really leave behind is your offspring. They are your only true legacy....and if you do your job....they may inherit a bit of your mindset.

Just me thinking on my keyboard...aka....thinking out loud.

[Wildthang]

We do differ in one reguard.

I still have the deep seated belief that things can and will "go wrong" on a major scale. I do not know how we have escaped the inevitable for as long as we have.

I feel there are certain things each person should have, and certain things each person should know, and most of them are not "wilderness survival skills". Some of that knowledge/ability has been declared illigal, so we will never discuss it here. Some of the equipment is so basic it is often overlooked by people not used to rural life and plenty of storage space.

I simply do not discredit people as unneeded or not deserving of life if they do not have all the gear, and food stores I have and their house is not arranged as I would want mine.

I think that if you polled all the survival foums that exist now or have existed in the past you will find the most popular querry in all those places has been "How do I get my wife/husband on board?". Are you married to a person that tolerates your strange little ways? Do you hide preps? Are you married to a sheeple?

We call them "sheeple" as a dehumanizing term as we have always done when we mentally prepared ourselves to ignore our own unhuman behavior. Yankees, Rebs, Bluebellies, Jerries, Gooks, Nips, Krauts, Charlie, Ragheads and worse terms come to mind. It is a requirement of the human mind to disassociate from reality before we can brutalize.

In turn, we seek out "like minded" individuals, and often find that they are really not "like minded" or sometimes not "right minded".

There is a dfference between sharing rescources and viewing everyone else as a rescource to exploit.

And I espically do not count all the people I know, that are fully prepped, as exceptional induviduals I want knowing my address.

Right on to that Brotha! I am the only true prepper I know, so I dont have much to contribute to this Poll. But in my opinion on of the most important things you could have on your list is innovation, common sense, and alternate planning on the fly. If you have those abilities and flexibility, you have most of the skills covered automatically.
But really, I dont hang out with preppers because they are the ones that will tell everybody what you have!

[finallyME]

I know a few that are trying, just as I am, and none of us are really prepared for everything. I think, realistically, that it is all going to come down to community. I don't think the loners out there are going to last all that long. Eventually their supplies will run out, and they either die, or find a way to procure more. The communities that band together for the common good are the ones that will last. They will have the numbers to ward off the roaming bands. They will be able to rebuild the infrastructure, plant food, raise livestock...etc. They will be able to make more ammo, make more defenses and protect the community. I live on a 1/4 acre. All my neighbors do as well. That isn't enough to live off for a long time. But, put it together and share.....we can get it done. Right now, all our water comes from the mountain. We are all sharing it right now, we will need to continue this in the future if any of us want to live.

For me, right now, I prep, and tell my neighbors, and also build relationships of trust with them. If we work together, we can survive anything.

[Cast-Iron]

It is true that we were not prepared for for many of the disasters that have fell upon humanity in the past.

It is very true that all your preps will run out.

Mindset, above all....is what is important.

The one thing that scares the crap out of me....is back in the depression and WWII, most folks still had a basic understanding of right and wrong....and generally there was an understanding of day to day hardships. Even the lower end of the social spectrum had to work for what they got to an extent.....most still had out houses....cooked every meal...walked to places......That has changed.

A lot of the country has become spoiled....even us who feel prepared. So what will be the general practice of the 3rd generation of welfare recipients? Will they go after their own communities first? Is there enough resources in their AO to subdue them for even a week? When will they begin to venture out and seek other resources? You know it is coming.

The quote by Mr Churchill is a good one....but that was also said at a time when it was taboo to be take handouts. Then...if a man needed a hand out....it was just until they could get back on their feet.

In the depression....you had men standing in massive lines for a job....willing to work their fingers to the bone for a meal to feed his family. Do you really see that among the masses now? The breadlines of those days have been replaced today by little plastic cards that the govt charges up for them on a monthly basis. There is no humility there.

No plan....even plan "B,C,D,& E"...will ever be enough to cover all the bases. The best you can hope for is to set yourself up in such a fashion that you have the best chance possible. I do understand that the average prepper has the "alpha" gene...they wouldn't be preparing otherwise. (but that is a different story). Yet even a Alpha knows that survival of the den may lie within the pack.

This country has set itself up in such a manor that our younger generation will not have the opportunities that we have had. Most will never see the incomes and benefits we have either. The corporate world is not set up for a person to join in to their workforce...and retire from there.

The educational system is no longer effective for teaching our children the basics....they are only focused on SOLs.

Our Group....when you break it down to trying to explain why we formed....it is for our children. I want my kids to have a sense of normalcy. I want them to learn right from wrong, good from bad....and to have an understanding of the meaning of honor, self worth, freedom, and justice. We have the means to teach our kids in all subjects...we do now, and plan to do so in the event. All the resources we have amassed over the last few years....is geared to the continuation of them. For when you look at it realistically....you can build monuments and wealth....whatever....the only thing you really leave behind is your offspring. They are your only true legacy....and if you do your job....they may inherit a bit of your mindset.

Just me thinking on my keyboard...aka....thinking out loud.

Very well articulated!

[hunter63]

Well, gentlemen, I don't believe i have seen so many great posts, with a point of view that should be shared by anyone concerned about their own lot in life, in on place in a very long time....like never.

With a personnel goal of self reliance, in as many different ways I can learn. do, plan for....I have to say I don't really know any one, in my circle of family, friends, and neighbors that takes prepping seriously.

They may pick out one line of thinking....storm preps, or job loss, or camping.....but don't seem to realize that everything feeds into another for long term survival.....example.....BOL rural, south facing hill side acrage.....solar ready, well septic, wood lot, river, crop and livestock growing room.....all planned......

Having supplies to repair or fix most anything on the place, or defend it, hunt on it, fish from it.......all planned.

So, no I really don't anyone that really thinks about it.........

[1stimestar]

I haven't read the other replies yet due to being at work. But I just want to say, it does not matter that they are not as prepared as you think they should be. They are thinking about. That is preperation. They are in the process of evolving into "real" preppers if that makes any sense. They may not be as advanced as you are at this point in time, and they may never be, but how long have you been doing this versus how long have they been doing this? Lift them up, encourage them, invite them out on a field trip with you. So many in our society wishes they knew more but they have no idea how to go about learning more but to watch tv on the subject. Some of us are more adapt at self teaching then others.

[Rick]

I do not know how we have escaped the inevitable for as long as we have.

Maybe it's because it's not as inevitable as it would seem to be.

Echo - Please don't romanticize about those in the Great Depression. You need to remember this was also the era of folks like Capone, Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, Luciano, et. al. Open warfare was on the streets of many of our cities. We don't have it quite as bad today. At least automatic weapons don't sound out with regularity.

[Sarge47]

Never discount the "unprepared".

I am reminded of two quotes while reading this thread.

Winston Churchill once said that "Americans will always do the right thing, after they have exhaused all other options."

Helmuth von Moltke said " No plan survives first contact with the enemy."

We were unprepared for the Great Depression, WW2, the cold war, Korea and Viet Namn. We were unprepared for th WTC bombings, the Iraq invasion and Afganistan. We were unprepared for Hurricane Katrina. We were unprepared for the present economic mess we are enduring. You can not prepare for everything and you can becone a parinoid, isolated hermit (a true nut job) on everyones "watch list' if you obsess over it.

No matter what the world throws at us we are unprepared. No matter how "prepared" we think we are there will always be an outside force, nature or human, that skirts our best efforts.

In the end, the supplies will run out. Then we are in no better condition that the one that had no supplies

Our BOL may be comprimised, disrupted, burned. Then we are in no better situation that one that did not spend months or years preparing the BOL.

Our BOV may be blocked by gridlock, militia roadblocks, community action, and we have to abandon it. There goes the months of prep and years of making payments on the "perfect vehicle".

We have everything on the list but the efforts and mindset of doing so has turned us into a mean and hateful distrusting fool that no one can stand to be around, so when we get sick no one will give a crap and they let us die.

What is the most common SHTF senerio we encounter on this forum?

1. job layoffs that deplete the money rescources.
2 medical issues that cause pain and deplete the money rescopurces
3 natural disasters that we can do not one thing to prevent and can only react too.

These are minor problems only when they are happening to someone else. Their convinience is that they are isolated, individual, private and we discount them as "real problems" that we should prepare for. We are waiting for a mushroom cloud, cascading darkeness as the lights go out and roving bands of looters so we can live out of a backpack eating roots, berries an bugs.

When it all comes down to the final count, true SHTF or TEOTWAWKI, there are going to be lot of "sheeple" that suffer. There are going to be a lot of "preppers" that suffer.

Your list is a very partial effort. It leans heavily on YOUR military experience. You have a given senerio in mind and have equipped as a modern suburbanite with military training would. There are other options, other things for other lists. There are also other mindsets that are in place or will develop as situations change and disasters occurr.

Strangely, I do not want the people I know, who are in my area, who are "best equipped" as my close companions in a bad situation. Most are self centered, selfish, narcisistic, mental cases that have all the right equipment because they feel they are entitled to be the warlord rulers of the post apociliptic world.

I am an old man, living in a rural community made up of strong willed, hard working people that are used to doing things for themselves. I have evaluated each and every one of them for their ability to contribute in a long term disaster. They do not realize they are on a checklist. I also have to remind myself that I am on their checklist.

It is a list of "the 'sheeple' I want beside me when things get bad".

KY, you go bro! :yes: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :cool2:

[Echo2]

Maybe it's because it's not as inevitable as it would seem to be.

Echo - Please don't romanticize about those in the Great Depression. You need to remember this was also the era of folks like Capone, Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, Luciano, et. al. Open warfare was on the streets of many of our cities. We don't have it quite as bad today. At least automatic weapons don't sound out with regularity.

I really didn't mean to come across as romanticizing the depression. It was a horrible time in history.

However by comparison to today's criminal element....most of those folks were mild.....not saying they weren't bad....but they were sensations due to the fact that it wasn't that wide spread......and the media went bananas with the story and ran it constantly....that type of stuff happens all the time now....and we as a nation are desensitized to it.

As far as welfare in the street....imagine for one day.....all the folks that are taking assistance....had to show up at the local town hall to receive all the groceries they would normally buy with their cards....what exactly do you think that would look like?

What I was trying to come across as saying....was more folks then....had some humility....it wasn't something that was "owed" to them....some may call it pride.

[Rick]

I understand what you were saying. But the folks of the 30's were just like the folks of the 2010's. The reason the welfare rolls appear swollen today is because they didn't exist in the 30's. What you had then were county poor houses and penal institutions. That was the welfare of the day. I had an uncle that would get himself arrested in October on some relatively trivial charge so he could spend the next 6 months in the Vandalia Penal Farm. He only went in winter so he didn't have to work in the fields.

Add the violence of the burgeoning unions and it was a really bloody time all across the U.S. not just in the cities where the big name bad guys were. About 10 miles from home a group of some 50 strike breakers, mostly Chinese and minorities were attacked and 20 of them killed. There is a book called Bloody Williamson that records incidents such as this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrin_massacre

An elderly family that was one of our neighbors had his brother killed and dumped in a well for dating the wrong woman. Neighborhoods were ethnic and venturing outside of them not recommended even in small town U.S.A. If you were Italian, Lithuanian, Irish or German you pretty much stayed with your kind. Today everyone wants to be Irish. Not so in the '30s.

I despise generational warfare but things are not a lot worse today. Just different.

[Echo2]

I feel that we will have to agree to disagree then.

Maybe we are looking at it from 2 different perspectives.

[Rick]

I think that's probably right. No offense to you or your opinion. I just grew up in an area where conflict, sometimes deadly conflict, was a pretty steady way of life and had been for decades. I'm sure many others on here have as well. I see a lot posts about the goodness of past generations and there were certainly many of the folks. Probably the majority in most areas. Just as it is today. But there were still a lot of knot heads that were looking for the quick buck even if it they found it in your pocket while you were still wearing the pants.

[Echo2]

One thing that we could probably agree on is that difference in population density between then and now, could have a major effect on any social unrest that may come about.

[Sarge47]

My Grandmother went through the depression, it was horrible. In the early 1900's thousands died from Influenza. In the early 50's I remember the Polio outbreak! When times get rough now-a-days, people think back longing for the "good ole' days." They think that it would be better, but it wasn't, it was worse. My dream is to kleep the great things we've accomplished and change the bad. If Americans would stick together we could do just that. (put's soap box away.) :cool2:

[SARKY]

OH! prepper.... I thought he said Pepper. Wouldn't you want to be a pepper too?

[ElevenBravo]

Well, if you dont know a prepper, then the poll doesnt apply.

Agreed, we need to prep for various real world scenarios... such as weather, etc..

The SHTF idea is not "likely", but could happen. Just curious to what your opinions were on how prepped you thought others might be.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Not sure how the depression got into the thread, thats a real spin off the OP! HA HA

Later,
Andrew

[Rick]

What the...? You're trying to put the OP back on track?! Sacrilege!

[Echo2]

If Americans would stick together we could do just that. (put's soap box away.) :cool2:

Do you think the American mentality lends itself to sticking together?

[hunter63]

Well, believe it or not "These are the good 'ol days".....and as I have said in the face of adversity, "Ya know, some day this is gonna make a interesting story....."

Depression talk does come up as a bench mark of the need to prep, as it was pretty much universal as opposed to regional disasters, and events in certain parts of the country.

....and if anyone I know is a prepper, they don't talk about it......

[BENESSE]

Do you think the American mentality lends itself to sticking together?

Possibly, if the threat comes from another country. Otherwise, it'll be every man for himself, or at best, "tribes" sticking together. We are no longer a melting pot nor will we ever be again...which I think is a prerequisite for hanging together against adversity.

[Sarge47]

Do you think the American mentality lends itself to sticking together?Not where it counts. It's like Ms. "B" said. If the threat is a "foreign" threat, then yes, like "911." Remember all those "United We Stand" signs? Where are they now? Domestic threats are something else again. :no:

[ElevenBravo]

Domestic threats
Which is mostly fabricated from false flags IMHO, but paint me Mel Gibson with my eyes taped open in a wheelchair. HA HA

[Seniorman]

One thing that we could probably agree on is that difference in population density between then and now, could have a major effect on any social unrest that may come about.



It should be noted that at the beginning of "The Great Depression," the 1930 U.S. Census showed there were 130,000,000 people in the United States. I've not looked up the population of the U.S. from the 2010 census, but imagine it's around 320,000,000 people, not including millions of illegal aliens. Therefore, it can only logically follow that the problems of that era, crime, poverty, etc., have multiplied exponentially in accordance with the increase of population.

I'd add that we hear more about these "problems" today because of the almost unbelievable advances in technology and communication. Just think, in 1930, other than a few major newspapers -- most of which never reached "the hinterlands" -- and a few magazines, the only communication other than word-of-mouth was by radio. At that time, vast numbers of people in this country did not even have a radio... or electricity. Events that would have been instantaneously reported and communicated today, might not be known by the general public for days, weeks, or even months, in 1930.

I'd also submit that as for "hard times" the years following the Civil War, aka Reconstruction in the South, were incredibly difficult and violent, and made "The Great Depression" look like a Sunday afternoon picnic. People there at that time "prepped" as a matter of course, each and every day, just to be able to literally survive to the next day.

Being prepared for certain possibilities is wise, but to wish for "the good ol' days" is folly, in my opinion. The "good ol' days" only exist in the minds of those who don't know the history of the "good ol' days."

Just my take on "prepping."

S.M.

[ReconScout]

I don't know anyone that's prepping other than one member of my family. I don't discuss my plans or gear with anyone other than said family member. I've broached the subject of emergency preparedness with neighbors, their replies are why I leave the concept alone. A case of bottled water, a case of can goods and a Wal-Mart first aid kit are the general answer if that of being ready. Any effort on their part beyond that is a waste of time in their opinion. With that said, I don't wish to be a target should a SHTF scenario occur from the unprepared. Provided I live through the initial emergency, I'm evaluating the situation then deciding whether to move out.

I can't make anyone do what they don't want to do nor am I interested in convincing people that a SHTF/TEOTWAWKI event is an individual responsibility. I hope I've a planted a seed, food for thought that the government isn't going to magically appear with food, water, medicine, clothing, shelter and armed personnel to keep everyone safe 5 minutes after a theoretical event. Part of me is admittedly frustrated at the complacency, the other is I said my peace, do with it what you will.

[jfeatherjohn]

I remember my Dad telling me that he really didn't really remember the depression...they were already dirt poor.
Actually, by the tike the depression hit, my Dad and his older brother had hopped trains to CA, gotten jobs, and paid for the rest of the family to move.
Boll weavels, you.know.
I did have the pleasure of sitting with them, listening to them talk about those times.
Neither one of them remember a depression, but they both remember boll weavels.
I guess natural disaster trumped economic disaster.
Oh, I had lunch with with a close acqaintance yesterday, and discovered that he is "prepped". So now we have more than old San Jose stories to talk about...

[Rick]

Do you think the American mentality lends itself to sticking together?

I've seen this play out over and over in tornadoes, blizzards, hurricanes, wild fires. Yeah, we do a pretty good job of pulling together when our backs are against the wall. When my home got hit by a cyclone we spent all day working utilities and all night working on each other's homes getting the worst ones squared away first and putting patches on the others until we could get to them. It's what Americans do.

[intothenew]

My immediate neighbors are family, I would guess many do not have that luxury.

Shortly beyond that, one neighbor runs livestock on my land and I the same. Next is a vet that served with my Father. Next is the family of my oldest childhood friend.................then my oldest childhood friend........

Am I alone? Hardly.

I find it hard to comprehend the "loner" mentality. If I felt alone I would search for a community, a like minded community. Short of serious family sacrifice, I would do anything for my neighbors.

[ElevenBravo]

There was mention earlier, about talking about your individual preparedness.

Please allow me to clarify: I only submit very limited information, if any... about my own ideas or measures.

However I have run into two others at work that volunteered there information freely. Based on loose conversation, I feel there main preps are simply having a general sense of awareness and an assault weapon.

Fair enough, having a weapon is critical in defense of one's safety & security, but IMHO *truly* being prepared is way more than that.

This got me to thinking... How many others have similar acquaintances??? The poll is simply a measure of my curiosity.

Andrew

[1stimestar]

Are you kidding? I live in Alaska. I'm probably the least prepared one of my friends and I'm pretty darned prepared....

[1stimestar]

But your post gives me further thought. Taken into consideration another of your recent posts, I wonder why it is that you are spending so much time and energy comparing yourself to your friends and acquaintances level of preparedness. Do you need to do this in order to make yourself feel better, more prepared? It feels pretty passive agressive-ish.

[Sarge47]

Which is mostly fabricated from false flags IMHO, but paint me Mel Gibson with my eyes taped open in a wheelchair. HA HAThank you for further proving my point! This is exactly whatI'm talking about! One group of people will always disagree about the seriousness or even the existance of any possible domestic threat and will NOT stand with the others! :ph34r:

[ElevenBravo]

But your post gives me further thought. Taken into consideration another of your recent posts, I wonder why it is that you are spending so much time and energy comparing yourself to your friends and acquaintances level of preparedness. Do you need to do this in order to make yourself feel better, more prepared? It feels pretty passive agressive-ish.

I think you are confused.

[1stimestar]

Perhaps. It's been known to happen. I just thought it seemed like a trend.

[ElevenBravo]

Perhaps. It's been known to happen. I just thought it seemed like a trend.

If we were closer I think we would meet regularly and talk about things in general over a drink and we would have a better understanding of each other. But were not, and we cant.

I do however wish I could visit Alaska for an extended stay. If I hit the mega lotto, would you board me up a few weeks and show me around?

Take care friend,
Andrew

[1stimestar]

Lol sure. I love showing off my state. I know all the good places off the tourist track. I'm a damned good cook. And have the prettiest outhouse around!

[ElevenBravo]

Its only a "proper" outhouse if there are old Sears catalogs in it! HA HA! The first one I used, when I was really little, visiting friends of my grandparents... that was the striking paper in the loo.

[1stimestar]

Well would my daughter's teen girl fan/Justin Beiber magazine work as well? I do believe it would.

[Sarge47]

Then there was Sourdough's outhouse in Alaska without a door...brrrr! :sweatingbullets:

[hunter63]

Its only a "proper" outhouse if there are old Sears catalogs in it! HA HA! The first one I used, when I was really little, visiting friends of my grandparents... that was the striking paper in the loo.

Remember the color picture pages are kinda "slide-y"......

[intothenew]

........Sears catalogs..........I now prefer the Campmor catalog or similar, unwaxed/uncoated fiber. A hanging bottle of hand sanitizer makes ready for the world.

[edr730]

Telephone book paper equals many toilet papers in an outhouse if you wad the paper up a few times to condition it. Good burning paper for the stove too. Not all papers are created equal for these purposes. With corn cobs...use the smaller soft ones.

[crashdive123]

Remember the color picture pages are kinda "slide-y"......

Yeah, but you can re-use them.:whistling:

[hunter63]

Yeah, but you can re-use them.:whistling:

Ya...if you are veeeery careful....

[Wildthang]

My dad told me one time that the old timers used to use corn cobs, less the corn of course..................ouch:scared:

[natertot]

Well would my daughter's teen girl fan/Justin Beiber magazine work as well? I do believe it would.


I don't think I want those images touching my unmentioned areas! just my thought.

[crashdive123]

I imagine Justin Beiber would say the same thing.

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