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hepit
09-28-2012, 05:28 PM
.45 aint much either, in most loadings. Few attackers make you fire, even fewer make you hit them with a bullet, and veryfew make you shoot them into the ground with powerful hits to the chest. I've been an NRA member for 34 years now, and religiously read the Armed citizen column, normally, just the sight of a gun, held ready and determinedly, if there's time and space to get away, results in the perp just fleeing. some that don't run at the sight of a gun WILL run at shots fired that miss them, and many stop at poor hits, good, fast repeat hits with a "mere" .22lr, too.

Echo2
09-28-2012, 05:32 PM
I carry a 9mm.....and have no fear of it doing it's job if I can do mine.

Rick
09-28-2012, 08:09 PM
I carry a 9mm, too. If the .45 had any history to it then you might like it better.

jmarshnh
09-28-2012, 08:12 PM
If I find myself in a situation that I have to shoot at someone I do not plan on missing, nor do I plan
on a poor hit. 50 years of practicing center mass ensures I can hit my assailant, and he WILL stop with
one center mass shot from my S & W Model 66-2.
Jim

2dumb2kwit
09-28-2012, 08:32 PM
I hope I never find out if I am prepared well enough.

pete lynch
09-28-2012, 09:01 PM
How well do 9mm or .45 protect against trolls?
Do you favor one above the other?

1stimestar
09-29-2012, 01:51 AM
I agree Jim. I'm not drawing on someone just to scare them. If I am drawing on someone it is with the express purpose of stopping them, period, right now, for good. Not to scare them, not to wound them. Don't mess with me or mine or you may not ever get a second chance.

ElevenBravo
09-29-2012, 02:17 AM
I am one that thinks that 9mm is sufficient for most applications. Shot placement is more critical than caliber IMHO. A .45 to the calf is not near as effective as a 9mm to the aorta. Just saying...

crashdive123
09-29-2012, 08:01 AM
How well do 9mm or .45 protect against trolls?
Do you favor one above the other?

Either that or clueless. I'm leaning toward troll as well.

oldsoldier
09-29-2012, 08:47 AM
I've had several people tell me that I'm wasting my time carrying a 9mm, that it won't stop someone........ funny though when I ask them to take part in an experiment testing the theory, no body wants to help? worner why? I have had the misfortune to see what a 9mm will do. Several years ago I was in the wrong place at the right time and stopped a armed robbery attempt. I was carrying a 9 then as well.

kyratshooter
09-29-2012, 09:20 AM
.45 aint much either, in most loadings. Few attackers make you fire, even fewer make you hit them with a bullet, and veryfew make you shoot them into the ground with powerful hits to the chest. I've been an NRA member for 34 years now, and religiously read the Armed citizen column, normally, just the sight of a gun, held ready and determinedly, if there's time and space to get away, results in the perp just fleeing. some that don't run at the sight of a gun WILL run at shots fired that miss them, and many stop at poor hits, good, fast repeat hits with a "mere" .22lr, too.

Who are you and why are you here?

You have managed to cover three of the basic trolling topics in one single post!

Caliber selection.
use of deadly force
.22 caliber stopping power

That is a truly amazing feat in itself, the likes of which I have not seen since Gunkid went to prison.

Is your name Melvin?

All this post proves is that long term membersip in the NRA does not insure you have ever learned crap about firearms, self defense or common sense.

Now, I shall slip my flashy but otherwise useless .380 in my pocket and go to the store. Perhaps if I need to use it I can show the allailant a photo of a bigger gun as I draw and throw firecrackers into the air, causing him to wet his pants and run away.

One can get away with a lot around here, but when one starts this kind of crap on post 12 I can imagine the big red "Ban Button" being polished and plugged into the USB port.

BAN BUTTONS!!! The ultimate in stopping power!!!

natertot
09-29-2012, 07:56 PM
LOL Kyrat! I'm with ya partner.

ElevenBravo
09-30-2012, 02:31 AM
http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/07/goodbye-gunkid.html

Had to oooogle that one, good read, very.... entertaining! HA HA

Wildthang
09-30-2012, 04:04 AM
Either a troll, or this is his first forum and just don't know:scared:

kyratshooter
09-30-2012, 10:04 AM
Nope, this is not his first forum, the topics are too well chosen and the wording of the statements and querries is too adept.

The statements are not worded as questions but as challenges requiring confrontation for correction before a third party, that might believe them, gets hurt. They are so nonsensacal that they can not be ignored without causing harm and they can not be opposed without inviting confrontation.

The confrontation/correction goes from rejecting specific points of common sense to demands for scources for that common sense. The scources are always rejected and that usually leads to personal attacks.

If the troll is not banned members of the forum in good standing leave the board perminantly, due to he personal attacks, and the website becomes the personal property of the troll. At that stange the troll leaves for other parts since he no longer has any entertainment in the empty forum.

Proper trolling is a real art.

Their most fertile hunting grounds are forums that insist giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, not insulting "new members", and giving people with low post counts some latitude because they are new and do not know any better. That is the case in many new forums that are desperate for members and was the case on many forums when our means of communication was new. A troll can "own a forum" within a couple of days if left unchecked.

Our moderators are very experienced in picking out these situations in their formative stages, usually banning the invaders somewhere around the "brainless twit" stage or the "rejection of scources" stage. They seldom allow it to move into the personal attack zone.

I am not privy to the moderator's thoughts or conversations, but I suspect PMs are already flying and decisions of course of action taking place within the past few ours.

At least that IMHO and not the official stand of the forum and its moderators. I ain't one.

crashdive123
09-30-2012, 01:29 PM
Every now and then we let trolls hang around for a little while. Once membership starts playing with "it" it's sort of like watching a kitten with a ball of yarn. It's one of the pleasures we enjoy.

kyratshooter
09-30-2012, 02:10 PM
You guys are really quite sadistical in that reguard.

Some dope comes around talking about the "only cartridge that is worthy of hunting a griz" or "Nothing will bring down a griz" when we have people here that hunt griz and brownies as extra income.

And all the guys here that have killed 6-10 deer a year for the past 40 years being told by some suburban blacktop stomper that has never stepped on a dry leaf, what will and will not kill a deer, how far they are going to run when hit by each caliber and in which lung.

And you guys will just let them hang out there in the wind! Knowing that they have already ruined any credability they could have mustered and we are just playing games with them.

It's like dropping a gang banger into the middle of a Ron Paul Rally!

crashdive123
09-30-2012, 02:12 PM
'zactly...............

ctdcb18b
09-30-2012, 02:15 PM
a bullet is a bullet they can all kill someone and unless they are crazy they fear death and will mos likely run at the sight of a gun lol

Wildthang
09-30-2012, 03:16 PM
I think my IQ dropped 10 points just by reading this post:scared:

1stimestar
09-30-2012, 05:46 PM
Can you say "clueless"? Sure and I knew you could.

kyratshooter
09-30-2012, 06:04 PM
a bullet is a bullet they can all kill someone and unless they are crazy they fear death and will mos likely run at the sight of a gun lol


You noted that one too?

Never even considering that 80% of the violent crime in our nation is drug related.

And what do drugs do to your reasoning power, thought processes, concept of sorroundings, self concept and sensitivity to pain?

Sane people might fear death, turn and run, I can not gurarentee that for tweakers, huffers and crackheads.

Pal334
09-30-2012, 06:08 PM
Thank you so much for sharing your many years experience reading a magazine. If I had benefit of the contents of your post oooh so many years ago, I would not be around now to read and chuckle about your silliness. Just a suggestion, sit back and learn from "doers" rather than postulating your readings out of context.

Rick
09-30-2012, 06:53 PM
No, no, must not respond. Too perfect of a set up. Must let it go. Muuuust let it go. Oh, I didn't think that would pass. Sort of like gas. You can thank me later, WT.

KY - It's called trolling for troll. We can often see them swimming just below the surface. All we have to do is play out a little line and let them run. Setting the hook is the easy part.

kyratshooter
09-30-2012, 07:47 PM
No, no, must not respond. Too perfect of a set up. Must let it go. Muuuust let it go. Oh, I didn't think that would pass. Sort of like gas. You can thank me later, WT.

KY - It's called trolling for troll. We can often see them swimming just below the surface. All we have to do is play out a little line and let them run. Setting the hook is the easy part.

I got kicked out of a bar in Nashville once for draging an apple on a string. The bartender asked me what I was doing and I told him I was trolling for pigs.

Is that the same thing?

hunter63
10-01-2012, 12:07 AM
.45 aint much either, in most loadings. Few attackers make you fire, even fewer make you hit them with a bullet, and veryfew make you shoot them into the ground with powerful hits to the chest. I've been an NRA member for 34 years now, and religiously read the Armed citizen column, normally, just the sight of a gun, held ready and determinedly, if there's time and space to get away, results in the perp just fleeing. some that don't run at the sight of a gun WILL run at shots fired that miss them, and many stop at poor hits, good, fast repeat hits with a "mere" .22lr, too.

What's the point?....Does 'racking a round into a "shotty" count about scaring away the bag guys?

You are only allowed to have a .22"?

How many "perps" have you put down with a ......"what?"....

Oh wait,..... never mind,... y'all are just funnin'....right?

hepit
10-02-2012, 06:01 AM
I've got 45 years of experience, and the real pros agree with ME, and just laugh while they take YOUR MONEY for all this "training" :-)

hepit
10-02-2012, 06:03 AM
I've held men at gunpoint 4x in my life. None of them dared even TWITCH. They could see it in my face that I'd empty the mag into their chests, in a hot second. I would have, and worried about the legal stuff later.

Rick
10-02-2012, 06:43 AM
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/troll.jpg

Echo2
10-02-2012, 06:45 AM
4x...???????.....would you look at that.......it's time to move.....

Rick
10-02-2012, 06:49 AM
And he just bought his first weapon last week!!!!!

crashdive123
10-02-2012, 07:47 AM
Here was the first.

Don't move or I'll empty my mag into you. Don't believe me? Look at my face.

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/135/c28b603b889045c281e8d93a8b3b3c35/l.jpg

Rick
10-02-2012, 11:28 AM
Man, you are giving away some serious street cred. I was thinking more along these lines.

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/Goodday/Goodday1005/Goodday100500003/6965064-boy-with-a-toy-gun-in-a-hat-over-white-background.jpg (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/Goodday/Goodday1005/Goodday100500003/6965064-boy-with-a-toy-gun-in-a-hat-over-white-background.jpg)

Pal334
10-02-2012, 02:31 PM
He is gone?:confused1: And I was learning so much:drool:

kyratshooter
10-02-2012, 03:19 PM
Did you e-mail his mom and inform her he had discovered her password and was back on the computer?

I did notice that all posts were before and after school hours!

hunter63
10-02-2012, 03:47 PM
Put the ball of yarn away, for a while, the little kitty has left the building......ah well.....

ElevenBravo
10-03-2012, 02:44 AM
8392

Damn, I was just getting snuggled up into the thread...

SHTFMIKE
10-25-2012, 02:53 PM
A well placed .22 round will kill. There will always be heated discussions about which caliber to carry. I personally carry a 9mm and trust my life with it.
As far as a 9mm not being good enough to stop an attacker, just ask Trayvon how he fared with it. Just sayin'

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RaZ7btje5Jo/TKg8o986GnI/AAAAAAAAA5s/2ulp2XzMaZI/s640/0907_gravity-guns-girls-boobs-demotivational-poster-1247164991.jpg

Daniel Nighteyes
10-25-2012, 07:37 PM
I hope I never find out if I am prepared well enough.

Amen, my friend.

canid
10-25-2012, 08:10 PM
If somebody tries to tell my that 9x19 is an insufficient cartridge for stopping a human target, I invite them to let me put a couple into them. They can even attack as determinedly as they like. Should they accept the experiment, I will then be glad to listen to their evaluation. .45 is great, .40 is great, 10mm is great, and 9mm is great. I merely don't turn my nose up very readily.

2dumb2kwit
10-25-2012, 08:37 PM
A bullets impact varies greatly, depending on which end of it you're on.
(Literally and figuratively.)

mountainmark
10-26-2012, 11:50 AM
Lol, did he put the troll doll in his profile or did a mod? That's too funny....

Rick
10-26-2012, 12:42 PM
Now I ask you do you honestly believe that a mod would stoop so low as to change someone's avatar?

mountainmark
10-26-2012, 02:14 PM
I see.... and I was just about to give him some respect for being a good sport and having a sense of humor about his status... Oh well. :)

crashdive123
10-26-2012, 02:16 PM
No - that is not a troll doll behind my back. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yd8Htwe9SNY/SXBGHW89KQI/AAAAAAAACK8/APCci3c6mig/s320/100_5142.JPG

kyratshooter
10-26-2012, 03:20 PM
He was a detirmined troll too!

Managed to get himself banned a second time after this thread.

Rick
10-26-2012, 03:57 PM
And B's most excellent catch. But then, she sees through most men.

fritzthecat
10-31-2012, 02:42 PM
Scratching my head wondering how I got here.

hunter63
10-31-2012, 05:36 PM
Must of us do the same thing.......Long story.

Wildthang
10-31-2012, 07:13 PM
Man we sure get some doozies on here:confused:

kyratshooter
10-31-2012, 07:37 PM
Scratching my head wondering how I got here.

Just as some background, this group likes to bait trolls and then feed on them llike a school of parahias. Not only do they get banned but we make them wet themselves as they leave.

Rick has been known to make trolls whimper and cry.

He makes some of us whimper and cry so I am not sure that is really a troll oriented behavior, but we are used to it and the trolls are not.

hunter63
10-31-2012, 08:01 PM
I suppose this thread does look kinda odd if you show up after the fact.....had to have been there at the time.....

OK carry on.

BENESSE
10-31-2012, 10:04 PM
Just as some background, this group likes to bait trolls and then feed on them llike a school of parahias. Not only do they get banned but we make them wet themselves as they leave.

Rick has been known to make trolls whimper and cry.


Now don't sell yourself short. You've been known to scare a rat off a dumpster a time or two.

mike75925
11-03-2012, 11:24 PM
not real sure what the fuss is/was, guess i'm off to read the basics of trolling?

1stimestar
11-03-2012, 11:51 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/297189_441052122617522_634954418_n.jpg

Stiffy
11-03-2012, 11:58 PM
Okay, I've got an idea . . . just get over it . . . who cares what the moron says.

1stimestar
11-04-2012, 12:27 AM
But but, don't you LIKE my box full of trolls?

Wildthang
11-04-2012, 07:10 AM
But but, don't you LIKE my box full of trolls?

Have they all been banned yet:scared:

Rick
11-04-2012, 07:35 AM
Not only were they all banned but each and everyone received a personalized picture of the hong......and worse.

Desert Rat!
11-04-2012, 09:38 PM
But but, don't you LIKE my box full of trolls?I love it dear, but some just don't get the humor.

hunter63
11-04-2012, 09:42 PM
I thought they were a box of targets.....sorta like a furby shoot....a troll shoot.

Paro
11-05-2012, 03:47 AM
Doesn't matter. All service rounds fall short IMO. I've carried 9, 40, 38, 357 Mag (only turns magnum with a 5"+ barrel) .357 sig, 45 auto, 45 super, I'm sure some I forgot. I now have a 9mm and only one. They all suck. 9mm is cheaper to practice with, reload, and is faster back on target. If it takes 2-3rds to put the target down- so be it. You want powerful- .44 Magnum or greater. They tend to not work so great for people though... they tend to go right on through. Works great for wildlife though! "Knockdown power" is a myth- there is no such thing. Physics is not difficult to understand.

Don't bank on someone running from the sight of a gun. I don't play that game. I am not a LEO, I won't issue cease and desist orders... I am done talking if I clear leather. If you are in fear of your life to the point you feel a need to pull a gun, there better be enough fear to use it- immediately. Just remember- you can't take it back after it leaves the barrel. It will be a life altering event for both parties involved. You will be ostracized for killing/shooting someone. People you thought were friends won't be anymore. Family will be upset with you. Yours and theirs. You are going to be sued every which way possible- multiple times castle doctrine or not- lawyers are a creative bunch. This is not a game. YOUR LIFE AS YOU KNOW IT will be altered. De-escalation is a much more powerful tool. Deadly force is last ditch. Trust in the Lord and He will direct your path. I pray often that He watch over me and shut my mouth that I don't escalate a situation, and to keep me from trouble. I don't ever want to have to shoot someone. People make mistakes. Unfortunately- some result in needless death.

Desert Rat!
11-10-2012, 04:28 PM
I don't play that game!, look at my face before I clear leather!!:jango:

kyratshooter
11-11-2012, 09:40 AM
When was the last time you saw the answer to "the meaning of life, the unverse and everything" streched out into two paragraphs.

The real answer is 42, and I did not even have to "clear leather".

Wildthang
11-11-2012, 09:52 AM
Doesn't matter. All service rounds fall short IMO. I've carried 9, 40, 38, 357 Mag (only turns magnum with a 5"+ barrel) .357 sig, 45 auto, 45 super, I'm sure some I forgot. I now have a 9mm and only one. They all suck. 9mm is cheaper to practice with, reload, and is faster back on target. If it takes 2-3rds to put the target down- so be it. You want powerful- .44 Magnum or greater. They tend to not work so great for people though... they tend to go right on through. Works great for wildlife though! "Knockdown power" is a myth- there is no such thing. Physics is not difficult to understand.

Don't bank on someone running from the sight of a gun. I don't play that game. I am not a LEO, I won't issue cease and desist orders... I am done talking if I clear leather. If you are in fear of your life to the point you feel a need to pull a gun, there better be enough fear to use it- immediately. Just remember- you can't take it back after it leaves the barrel. It will be a life altering event for both parties involved. You will be ostracized for killing/shooting someone. People you thought were friends won't be anymore. Family will be upset with you. Yours and theirs. You are going to be sued every which way possible- multiple times castle doctrine or not- lawyers are a creative bunch. This is not a game. YOUR LIFE AS YOU KNOW IT will be altered. De-escalation is a much more powerful tool. Deadly force is last ditch. Trust in the Lord and He will direct your path. I pray often that He watch over me and shut my mouth that I don't escalate a situation, and to keep me from trouble. I don't ever want to have to shoot someone. People make mistakes. Unfortunately- some result in needless death.

This post makes me want to clear leather and shoot my frigging computor!

kyratshooter
11-11-2012, 10:26 AM
Lets see, we had: ballistics, medical science, wildlife science, physics, phsycology, behavior science, philosophy, social theory, family interaction, civil law, criminal law, and theology all in a single two paragraph post.

Along with both old and new jargon. The only thing left out was reference to a shotty.

This is a new record!

Wise Old Owl
11-11-2012, 11:34 AM
Wait Wait.... you forgot politics.... :innocent:- I was about to get the beer and popcorn and kick back... I missed the opportunity.

Wildthang
11-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Lets see, we had: ballistics, medical science, wildlife science, physics, phsycology, behavior science, philosophy, social theory, family interaction, civil law, criminal law, and theology all in a single two paragraph post.

Along with both old and new jargon. The only thing left out was reference to a shotty.

This is a new record!

We sure get some doozies around here:scared:

kyratshooter
11-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Has anyone else noticed that this thread is the ultimate troll bait???

One after another... after another

It sits here on the forum like a big ole cow pie drawing horseflies until it looks like it is shimmering green.

BENESSE
11-11-2012, 06:25 PM
Has anyone else noticed that this thread is the ultimate troll bait???

One after another... after another

It sits here on the forum like a big ole cow pie drawing horseflies until it looks like it is shimmering green.

A haiku, by Kyrat.

Rick
11-11-2012, 07:07 PM
A hillbilly Oriental. Whudda thunk it?

kyratshooter
11-11-2012, 07:45 PM
I'm way too ugly to be an ornamental!!

Hey Ms. B, are you holding up OK on the Big Island. You got power apparently, and have not been griping, so I take it you are well.

BENESSE
11-11-2012, 08:14 PM
I'm way too ugly to be an ornamental!!

Hey Ms. B, are you holding up OK on the Big Island. You got power apparently, and have not been griping, so I take it you are well.

Thanks for axing, we've been lucky is all I can say.
Prepped out of the wazoo & expecting the second coming, we emerged to live another day and order even more better supplies. Lost some magnificent large trees in Central Park probably over a hundred years old, but that's about it in our hood.

BENESSE
11-11-2012, 08:17 PM
BTW...I'd pay good money to hear William Shatner narrate this:

One
after another...
after another

It sits here
on the forum
like a
big
ole
cow pie
drawing horseflies
until
it looks like
it is shimmering
green.

hunter63
11-11-2012, 09:41 PM
Bravo, bravo.....So, not just a pretty face......Got some schoolhousen and suaves.....

Williepete
11-11-2012, 09:41 PM
Boy I'M sure starting to enjoy this surgery recovery, its giving me time on the putor. It just keeps getting better, and some of you with your wit, I couldn't hold a candle to. BY the way when I carry, I carry my COLT 1911 Light Weight Officers model in 45 cal with hand loaded wad cutters. Now this is the honest to God standing on a stack of bibles truth, shortly after I purchased this fine weapon way back in the year of 1985 a group of young men had joined up and held a combat match at our out door range. It was shooting and time for a score. Well yours truly won and I still have the trophy to prove it.

Bill

kyratshooter
11-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Boy I'M sure starting to enjoy this surgery recovery, its giving me time on the putor. It just keeps getting better, and some of you with your wit, I couldn't hold a candle to. BY the way when I carry, I carry my COLT 1911 Light Weight Officers model in 45 cal with hand loaded wad cutters. Now this is the honest to God standing on a stack of bibles truth, shortly after I purchased this fine weapon way back in the year of 1985 a group of young men had joined up and held a combat match at our out door range. It was shooting and time for a score. Well yours truly won and I still have the trophy to prove it.

Bill

I lost my trophy in a home breakin many years ago. What they wanted my trophy for I can not imagine. My X-wife probably threw it out when she walked in the house and saw it was a shambles.

I had much the same experience except it was with the first custom 1911 I built. I was in a position to shoot against the man that was ranked #2 IPSC shooter in the world that year. He would have cleaned my clock if his $5,000 pistol had not stove-piped on him! Me and my trusty $200 Auto Ordenance 1911 whooped him!


As a side note, in the late '70s I bought a Satin Nickel Colt Combat Commander. Traded it off a couple of years latter, probably for some insignifigant combination of junk. That SN Combat Commander would be the most valuable thing I own if I still had it! I still remember why I traded it, You could not pick up the sights in bright sunlight.

Wildthang
11-12-2012, 06:31 AM
Okay, now I am waiting for some noob to give us a disertation on why a .45 is not real protection..................come on you can do it.................wait for it!

Wise Old Owl
11-12-2012, 08:21 PM
Mr. Lincoln tried to protect Mary's honor and ended up in a near-duel with Shields. Herndon recalled: "The satire running through these various compositions, and the publicity their appearance in the Journal gave them, had a most wonderful effect on the vain and irascible Auditor of State. He could no longer endure the merriment and ridicule that met him from every side. A man of cooler head might have managed it differently, but in the case of a high-tempered man like Shields he felt that his integrity had been assailed and that nothing but an 'affair of honor would satisfy him." Mr. Lincoln tried to avoid a confrontation but Shields pressed the affair; Mr. Lincoln chose broadswords as the weapon of conflict. Usher Linder recalled: "Sometime after this affair Lincoln was asked by a friend why he had chosen broadswords; Lincoln replied, 'To tell you the truth...I did not want to kill Shields, and felt sure I could disarm him, have had about a month to learn the broadsword exercise; and furthermore, I didn't want...[him] to kill me, which I rather think he would have done if we had selected pistols." -President Lincoln was not a noob.

Wise Old Owl
11-12-2012, 08:27 PM
Duelling pistols had long barrels (typically 10 in (250 mm)) and fired large, heavy bullets. Pistols with calibers of 0.45 in (11 mm), 0.52 in (13 mm), 0.58 in (15 mm) or even 0.65 in (17 mm) were common. The bullets loaded in them could weigh half an ounce (214 grains (13.9 g)) in .52 caliber, or more in larger calibers. Additionally, bullets fired from duelling pistols had a muzzle velocity of approximately 800 feet per second (240 m/s), which, with a .52 caliber bullet, gave it a lethality which compares favourably with more modern automatic pistol cartridges such as .45 ACP. Duelling pistols were therefore capable of inflicting very severe gunshot wounds. These injuries, coupled with the primitive state of emergency medicine at the time, meant that pistol duels frequently resulted in fatalities, either at the location of the duel or some days afterwards from complications such as blood loss or septicaemia. This was the fate of Alexander Pushkin, a highly experienced pistol duellist who had previously fought 29 duels before being mortally wounded in the stomach by Georges-Charles de Heeckeren d'Anths on February 8th 1837. Pushkin managed to return fire, slightly wounding d'Anths, but died two days later after sending a message to his opponent, pardoning him.

I am not a noob. and thank you for the challenge... glad we didn't bet on it.

kyratshooter
11-12-2012, 08:33 PM
Well that was a downer.

NavyVet_77
11-12-2012, 08:48 PM
To simply answer the question, a 9mm WILL protect you. Sure there are other bigger rounds out there. But at typical handgun range it doesnt really matter IMO.

.380, 9mm, .40, .45, even a .22
I dont care what the caliber is. If you get hit, Itll F* hurt!
But I would also say, Get the biggest caliber you are comfortable with. THis statement is not contradictory. An INEPT thug could be slingin a .45, but if you are confident with your .380, you are much more deadly.

hunter63
11-12-2012, 08:53 PM
Hummmm, seems we are heading in to round 3, ...or is it 4.......?

Wise Old Owl
11-12-2012, 08:55 PM
You are taking this way too serious... yes it will hurt... But I spent some time at that.... It was a good challenge...

Rock paper sissors.

hunter63
11-12-2012, 09:00 PM
Was a history lesson, an intresting one....Thanks for that.....

OP was a troll, did his job though, as we got 5 pages out of it.

crashdive123
11-12-2012, 10:11 PM
Like moths to a flame.

Williepete
11-13-2012, 12:42 AM
Well I did need a good laugh today as its getting boring sitting around not really able to do much. Oh well on to the next one. Goodnight John boy

Bill

hunter63
11-13-2012, 03:38 PM
g'nite Grampa, nite Mary Ellen

Rick
11-13-2012, 07:37 PM
That's the trouble with duels. You win 29 in a row and no one calls you a master dueler. You lose one little duel and everyone calls you dead. It ain't fair.

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