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[Leaving Society]

Hello, everyone. I didn't want to clog up your other forums with this, but in any case, I promise that I'll stick around.

Let me first start by saying that my idea of living off the grid is probably a little crazier than most, and that I honestly have no idea what I'm doing -- yet! Basically, I've always wanted to live on a desert island with a few decent people. I love the look of islands -- not the stereotypical ones in travel brochures, but more like what you see in Cast Away, or other films like The Beach. Robinson Crusoe was one of my favorite novels when I was younger (I'm still in my mid-twenties).

I guess there's just something about the feeling of being so remote, with a body of water separating you from the rest of humanity, that makes me feel a lot more secure than a place out in the woods somewhere would. Don't get me wrong; Henry David Thoreau is fascinating to read, but I'll take Daniel Defoe over him any day.

Another component to all of this is that I'm not a fan of our capitalist societal structure. I have no interest in corporatism, traffic jams, office cubicles, bars, clubs, or what have you. Modern life is a little too face-paced for me, not to mention full of narcissism and other social problems that I can't imagine our politicians fixing in the near future. So I figured I'd just leave instead of waste an entire life putting up with all of it.

I know that it's incredibly naive to think that I can actually pull it off, and I'd never just run off to squat illegally somewhere without telling the people I know in my life. That would be irresponsible, not to mention dangerous. I'd much rather learn and do all of this the right way -- if it's even possible to begin with.

I never really thought that it was, actually, until I found privateislandsonline.com, a site with a bunch of private islands for sale, some as low as US$500,000.00. This site initially got me really excited, but then I realized that I'd have to gather quite a group of people or get rich before I could realistically do it without having to work.

So, I have two questions for you all:

1. Is purchasing, say, a private island in the range of $500,000.00 - $1,000,000.00 in a warm, tropical climate doable for a group of people who aren't rich? Where could I go to find people who'd be interested?

2. I currently don't have any survival skills or knowledge of living off the grid. What would I have to know to live on an island? I would bring lots of supplies beforehand, because this would all be funded, but it's obviously still quite different from living in civilization. Am I screwed, or are there valuable things to learn about island life that could actually work?

I hope to stick around and learn, but I don't hold out too much hope for my plan, and there really isn't anywhere around here where I could practice survival skills or the like for now. Any advice at all, even if it's telling me to give up and forget about it, would definitely be appreciated.

[Rick]

I removed the link to your blog. You can not post a link to any site you have an interest in. That includes blogs. As to your adventure, good luck with that.

[hunter63]

Hunter63, saying Hey, and Welcome......
Good luck with that plan.

BTW, If i knew of some one that would give me $500k to go play with.....I keep it to myself, sorry.

[BENESSE]

Yeah, good luck with that.
Don't forget to send us a message in a bottle when you get there.

[Sarge47]

I bet you also liked Tom Hanks in "Cast Away," right? No desert Island for me, unless it's Honolulu! Living there would take about a half mil, so maybe that's where I'd go. Remember to take plenty of food and drink because there are no super markets on a desert Island...or internet...or cell phone service....or cheap whiskey,...available loose women...any who, good luck with that! :sailor:

[Leaving Society]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't find the idea all that plausible and never really did, but I figured that if I don't at least make an effort to contact other people, the potential for failure will remain at 100%.

The money issue is a big problem, so I guess this is more of a "dream" than a serious venture.

[hunter63]

Ain't that the truth........

[wtrfwlr]

First off, welcome to the forum.
I'm curious. In your first sentence you say you "Promise to stick around" But the rest of your post is all about leaving society and being "off grid" and such with no contact to the outside other than the close group that you have assembled. How does that work?

[Leaving Society]

Oh, I meant stick around on the forum.

Thanks for the welcome!

[Sarge47]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't find the idea all that plausible and never really did, but I figured that if I don't at least make an effort to contact other people, the potential for failure will remain at 100%.

The money issue is a big problem, so I guess this is more of a "dream" than a serious venture.

Here's the thing, running away from society is NOT surviving it...that can put you right smack dab into a true survival situation that you might wish to high heaven you were never in. Remember, Robinson Crusoe and Tom Hanks' character did not go out of there way to get stranded on the Island that they were on. They were victims of bad circumstances and they had to wait to be rescued, or self rescue. Surviving society is learning how to control your place within it and it doesn,t have to be in the middle of a large sprawling city. You could just as easily move to a rural or semi rural location. Turn off the TV and don't vote if politics bothers you that much. Learn to become self reliant before you do anything else and you won't have to go around trying to scrounge money off of strangers. :nod:

[wtrfwlr]

Oh, I meant stick around on the forum.

Thanks for the welcome!

That was my question. How are you going to stick around the forum when you are on an island and off grid?

[crashdive123]

Quite an intro. I don't know how old you are - guessing kind of young. One thing you said was I
'm not a fan of our capitalist societal structure. I have no interest in corporatism, traffic jams, office cubicles, bars, clubs, or what have you. I'll agree with you on traffic jams. Have you ever worked in an office cubicle? Why not stay out of bars and clubs if they are not your thing? We are still free to choose. With no interest in capitalism and "corporatism" (not sure exactly what that is) how do you propose to earn the money to pull off your dream? I guess I'd have to ask if you even know what those words mean. I'm guessing the corporatism thing is not wanting to support big business? Does that mean you have already given up your cell phone, your internet service provider, power, water, vehicle, store bought clothes, appliances, etc., etc.?

As to answers to your questions.....1. No and 2. More than you can imagine, and certainly more than you will learn in an on-line community.

Good luck with that.

[Leaving Society]

Here's the thing, running away from society is NOT surviving it...that can put you right smack dab into a true survival situation that you might wish to high heaven you were never in. Remember, Robinson Crusoe and Tom Hanks' character did not go out of there way to get stranded on the Island that they were on. They were victims of bad circumstances and they had to wait to be rescued, or self rescue. Surviving society is learning how to control your place within it and it doesn,t have to be in the middle of a large sprawling city. You could just as easily move to a rural or semi rural location. Turn off the TV and don't vote if politics bothers you that much. Learn to become self reliant before you do anything else and you won't have to go around trying to scrounge money off of strangers. :nod:

Well, that's all part of what I'm trying to figure out about this. It would take a ton of money to even get a decent island, which brings up a lot of questions. Where would the money come from? If we have that much already, will we have a lot left over for decent technology? We'll have a few boats on-hand, so will we have enough money to buy whatever we need whenever we want as we go to and from the island?

I don't see how this concept is any different from someone starting a secluded farm in the woods somewhere. Boats and money are essential, which means contact with the outside world. Tom Hanks and Robinson Crusoe didn't have that. I wouldn't want to do anything if the risks outweighed the benefits.

I could just move to a rural area, but then I'd be away from where all the good jobs are. If I do that because I have enough money to be self-sufficient, then I might as well just take it a step further and do the island idea.

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but "scrounging money" off of strangers implies that I'm asking for donations. Obviously, I want anyone who was going to contribute money to come along as well. It's more like I'm trying to let people know that there really are private islands for sale, because there could be people out there who have the same dream and simply never knew that there were websites like that out there where you can buy an island for relatively cheap (as far as islands go, anyway). I'm all for self-reliance, but at the end of the day, the human being was built to rely on others, because he is a social creature. That's the whole point of society. The problem is that ours is corrupt, so why not make a new one somewhere else? There is nothing to be proud about in getting through life somewhere you don't want to be.

[Leaving Society]

That was my question. How are you going to stick around the forum when you are on an island and off grid?

I can't imagine living on an island any time in the near future. It would take years to plan and make happen, but I acknowledge that it's highly unlikely.


Have you ever worked in an office cubicle?

Sure have. Honestly, I just want to be able to enjoy my life. I get that hardships and unwanted consequences are a part of life and all that, but I'd much rather live surrounded by beauty and relaxation than in the average town or city. I understand the farm idea, but it doesn't quite "do it" for me or give me the same sense of adventure. Plus, I'd still probably interact with people I don't know or don't like on a regular basis, and it doesn't get better than an island when it comes to forming strong bonds with people.


Why not stay out of bars and clubs if they are not your thing? We are still free to choose.

I will certainly choose what makes me happiest wherever I can in the meantime. You can count on that.


With no interest in capitalism and "corporatism" (not sure exactly what that is) how do you propose to earn the money to pull off your dream? I guess I'd have to ask if you even know what those words mean. I'm guessing the corporatism thing is not wanting to support big business? Does that mean you have already given up your cell phone, your internet service provider, power, water, vehicle, store bought clothes, appliances, etc., etc.?

I'm not anti-technology, just anti-being forced to do something that I don't enjoy in order to get by. I think I'd enjoy fishing and gardening much more than staring at a monitor all day in order to earn a salary.

But not being interested in working for a living doesn't mean that I won't do what I have to, of course. Just because I have to make money in order to make something happen doesn't mean that I have to enjoy working.


As to answers to your questions.....1. No and 2. More than you can imagine, and certainly more than you will learn in an on-line community.

Good luck with that.

That's what I figured. I'm still interested in sustainable living overall, but if you don't go big from the get-go, you never know what you missed out on. I try to aim high, but I understand the risks, and I'm not going to do anything until I know that I can actually pull it off.

Anyway, I've already gotten "scrounging money off of strangers" and "I'm guessing you don't know what those words mean" in two posts. I haven't once implied that I think this idea is realistic, so I don't get the condescending attitudes. I understand exactly what capitalism is, and it's part of a larger problem with our economy, but let's not debate about that, please.

[crashdive123]

There is a lot you can do to learn. There are island communities and resorts that people (most likely capitalists) go to in order to relax and get away. See if you can hire on. Another thing that one of your members often promotes is wwoofing http://www.wwoof.org/ where you give your time and sweat equity in exchange for room, board and learning about organic gardening. There are millions of jobs where you do not have to sit behind a monitor in an office cubicle - you just need to figure out what you really want.

Keep in mind - having one does not mean doing without the other. Figure out what it is that you really want to do (you don't sound as though you have that figured out yet) and then take the steps needed to get there. Living on an island sounds like it would be romantic and a lot of fun. What it really is - is homesteading. Read through this http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?8382-Wilderness-Living-How-It-Really-Works

A quick google search revealed an island on sale for $30,000. It may not be a tropical retreat - but it will certainly fit the bill of living remotely - while not too far from civilization. It's a 3/4 acre island in a lake about 40 minutes from Panama City. What you want is doable, but you need to be realistic about it.

[BENESSE]

You say you're in your mid twenties. What is your education level, your skill level and your working experience?
How have you earned a living thus far or are you living at home?
Having lofty goals is fine as long as you're willing to bust your hump to get there. You don't sound too motivated to do that.
Another thing (and I looked into it several years ago when I had my own fantasy) : An island for $500,000.00 - $1,000,000.00 doesn't have enough on it to sustain you and you'd have to spend an impossible amounts of money to make it habitable. It will be nothing like the island where Tom Hanks got washed ashore in CastAway. At that price you'll get a lot of rocks, some shrubbery and a few trees.(if you're lucky) ANYthing with ANY potential would be way more expensive. Google Marlon Brando's island and Richard Branson's Necker Island which he now rents out as a resort. It's an amazing place.

It's really not that you're unrealistic; it's that you sound lazy and don't comprehend that hard work leads to getting what you want.

[Sarge47]

Here we go again, you come on here looking for input but don't like what you're getting, so now we're the bad guys. You drop a figure of half a mil. and don't know anybody here, that's "scrounging money off of strangers" as far as I can see. Sorry to burst your bubble, good luck with that. :sad:

[1stimestar]

Let me first start by saying that my idea of living off the grid is probably a little crazier than most,

Actually it's pretty common here, both living off the grid and variations there of.


I'm not anti-technology, just anti-being forced to do something that I don't enjoy in order to get by. I think I'd enjoy fishing and gardening much more than staring at a monitor all day in order to earn a salary.

If you are not independently wealthy, how do you plan to make a living once the island is attained? Sure you will need to fish and garden but where is the cash coming from for fuel, materials to build shelter, seeds, satellite service, ect. An online job seems almost required. Up here, those living in the bush can trap for furs or do some guiding for their annual cash needs.


It's more like I'm trying to let people know that there really are private islands for sale, because there could be people out there who have the same dream and simply never knew that there were websites like that out there where you can buy an island for relatively cheap (as far as islands go, anyway).

Really? I'm not trying to be condescending here but do you really think anyone with enough liquid cash to buy an island would have trouble thinking up the idea of doing a simple google search?

[Sarge47]

Crashdive has offered the best advice so far. I can tell that you haven't really thought this idea through, probably because you want to get away from what you consider unacceptable that you'll grasp at anything to do it. So you've read Defoe, how about William Golding? Ever read Lord of the Flies? That also involved a large group of people on a deserted Island. You were talking about finding people with money to help you, but that would mean getting involved with people you really know nothing about. Remember Jim Jones and Jonestown?

What you're talking about is "re-inventing the wheel." You will still have to have a source of income after you obtain the island. That implies a job of some sort and you're right back where you started from. However by becoming more self-reliant you'll find yourself taking control of your situation and circumstances. It's up to you. :cool2:

[shaner]

hello to ya

[Rick]

I tried the whole island thing. It isn't what it's cracked up to be. Pros: No neighbors, no barking dogs, clothing optional. Con: Tough on trucks. Canoes and guns, 'nuff said 'bout that. Clothing optional.

http://www.busyboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/small-house-island-01.jpg (http://www.busyboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/small-house-island-01.jpg)

[jfeatherjohn]

Greetings and welcome from a fellow newbie.
I don't know where you are, but I am willing to bet that there are places to practice skills that you learn.
I live in an apartment. I have some flora about, so every now and then, I'll make a tender ball and spark it to life in the parking lot. When they trimmed a bunch of trees, I took some of the wood and made a lean-to shelter. By request, I left it up until the next day because folks wanted to see how I did it. I have a tablet stove and I will occasionally cook on it, using food I carry in my bag, using whatever I would have out there. You collect stuff little by little and you learn how to use it.
Pretty soon, you have a kit and some essential skills. Pretty soon, you're off to a park to live under an emergency blanket and do everything with yout survival knife.
All you have to do is start.

[Winter]

Welcome to WSF.

To do what you want, look into the S Pacific. There's 1000's of islands that nobody lives on and nobody cares to own.

Buy a boat, get a herd of small pigs, bring bowsaw,fishing gear, pots and pans, a tarp, 1000 ft of cordage, axe, and .22LR. Drive boat around till you find island with fresh water on it. Release pigs on island.

Good luck.


ETA- this person seems to have a good set up, minus fresh water.

Check out Anuanuraro. It's an atoll, the guy has an airstrip, groves and a house on the SE corner.

ETAA- Wiki says it's uninhabited, so maybe you can buy it from the French.

(I've been looking at islands since I made this post)

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