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Sourdough
07-31-2012, 11:01 AM
Are "WE" too complacient......? Will we be happy with what appears as enough Now...??

OK, so when do you put your seatbelt on.........when the SHTF, or before. When do you but on your PFD.......? When you get in the watercraft, or when it is sinking.
A balanced life is appropriate during "Normal" times. However there is a overwhelming feeling in America and in the world that something (Not Known) is going to happen. Clearly because of the drought we are in for serious food inflation. Could you do more to prepare for yourself and family......??? Will you wish you had done more.....??? Will you wish you had twenty more cases of food.....???

Are you content with you preperations....? Was Bilbow's visit a wake-up warning....??? It is easy to joke and ridicule, but few here have ever experienced non-self induced hunger.

Rick
07-31-2012, 11:05 AM
I'm as ready as I can be or want to be. I'm not sure where you get the overwhelming feeling from. Forums? There are probably 90% (I have no idea but seems like) of the people that don't prep. Maybe they are the right ones and we have it all wrong. In any case, they sure don't seem to have an overwhelming feeling except at the gas pump.

BENESSE
07-31-2012, 11:16 AM
WTSHTF, you'll always wish you'd done more, no matter what. In times of illness (why didn't I quit smoking?), in times of financial hardship (why didn't I save more?) in times of disaster (why didn't I stock up more?), on and on. There's really no end to it, is there?
We can all do more in all aspects of life if it really mattered to us that much. But we take calculated risks and hope that the gamble pays off.
At the risk of repeating myself, living life and preparing to survive are two different things but certainly not mutually exclusive.

hunter63
07-31-2012, 11:16 AM
We have been living in a 'what if" mode for a long time, all the while increasing different preps, skills and possible strategies.
At the same time we try to have a life as well, with an eye on the news, how it applies to us and our family.

I don't put all my eggs in one basket, but I do have several favorite baskets, and a few back up baskets..........
Could I/we do more?, Yes,.... Are we doing more?..Yes,...Do I feel condfident, not to bad......Are we better perpared than most?.....Yes.

PFD goes on before leaving the dock.

Sourdough
07-31-2012, 11:17 AM
I'm as ready as I can be or want to be. I'm not sure where you get the overwhelming feeling from. Forums? There are probably 90% (I have no idea but seems like) of the people that don't prep. Maybe they are the right ones and we have it all wrong. In any case, they sure don't seem to have an overwhelming feeling except at the gas pump.

If it works for you, I am Happy for you. For me prepping has become a fun lifestyle, a kind of a game I of out thinking myself (which is silly easy).

Sourdough
07-31-2012, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure where you get the overwhelming feeling from. Forums? There are probably 90% (I have no idea but seems like) of the people that don't prep. Maybe they are the right ones and we have it all wrong. In any case, they sure don't seem to have an overwhelming feeling except at the gas pump.

There are very few Growth industries in America......Prepping is one of the fastest growing business.

Rick
07-31-2012, 11:26 AM
We live such a cushy life. Even when SHTF it's a cushy life. We have no idea what desperation and want are. Sudan, Darfur, Ethiopia, Cambodia, India and on and on have all experienced devastation and death beyond our imagination. I find it hard to imagine this country experiencing anything at those levels. They started with nothing and lost even that. We're starting at the top.

Rick
07-31-2012, 11:32 AM
While they are doing well they are not the fasting growing business. Not anywhere near. You have to look at the numbers.

http://business.time.com/2012/04/19/the-top-ten-fastest-growing-industries-in-america/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-top-10-fastest-growing-us-industries-hint-think-hot-sauce/2012/04/17/gIQAqzZpNT_blog.html

http://www.ibisworld.com/Common/MediaCenter/Fastest%20Growing%20Industries.pdf

Sarge47
07-31-2012, 11:39 AM
NEVER!!! I'M ALWAYS BUYING STUFF, JUST ASK MY WIFE! I MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY PACKS AS YOU DO, BUT i'LL GIVE YOU A RUN FOR YOUR MONEY! ME AN' BILBOW ARE GETTIN' READY! :ohmy:

BENESSE
07-31-2012, 11:43 AM
NEVER!!! I'M ALWAYS BUYING STUFF, JUST ASK MY WIFE! I MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY PACKS AS YOU DO, BUT i'LL GIVE YOU A RUN FOR YOUR MONEY! ME AN' BILBOW ARE GETTIN' READY! :ohmy:

A can of whoopa$$ goes a long way, huh, Sarge?

gryffynklm
07-31-2012, 12:30 PM
SD, I totally agree with you. I have the same concerns as you and Bilbo. Yes, I poked fun at him. I am serious about these concerns and doing what I can to buffer any possible situation form incapacitating my family. On the other hand I am cash limited and unable to get to were I want to be in quick time. I do what I can when I can. My attitude and cash ability to move forward are a contradiction. I therefore feel unqualified in the area of Ultra Survival and Tactical what ever that may mean. Attitude and knowledge may be on the way were I want them to be but resources are not. I do what I can and then some and hope it makes a difference.

"Could you do more to prepare for yourself and family......??? Always more to do

Will you wish you had done more.....??? Very likely

Will you wish you had twenty more cases of food.....??? Yes My wife has a severe incapacitating casein (dairy protein) allergy many. Many long storage meals and foods contain casein Hard to find appropriate foods in variety.

Are you content with you preperations....? No. Will I be content? I doubt it.

Was Bilbow's visit a wake-up warning....??? No, not for me

It is easy to joke and ridicule, but few here have ever experienced non-self induced hunger. No, never have.

kyratshooter
07-31-2012, 12:39 PM
Sounds like that old thing where a bad day fishing is better than a good day at work! I agree, but have opposing opinions.

Yes, we start at the top, but that just intensifies how much loss we will suffer in the most minor tragedy. It is why people wind up in mental institutions after finding that the tornado took their house, car and all their possessions. No amount of loss is aceptable to them. It is associated with our measurement of ourselves through our possessions, leading to loss, then depression, then mental collapse, then suecide.

Most people do not prep because they can not cope with the concept of irrepairable loss. It is unacceptable, therefore not considered. There is no insurance available to metigate it, therefore it can not exist.

We can not imagine ourselves at any level but the present, so we do not buy generators to power select needed appliances, we buy generators to power the whole house. We are not able to imagine having no place to go, so we stockpile fuel, buy deisil vehicles and count on driving as much after a crisis as before. We can not cope with the concept of nonavailability of goods and services, so we horde gold, silver and "barter items". Survival is not what we are prepping for, maintaining our own comfort level is our primary goal in preperation.

The "serious survivalist" has a different goal in each area of the nation, and often in each neighborhood. The only common ground is the one Rick has just brushed over, negitively.

A "serious survivalist" is never finished!

If you have finished prepping there is a real problem. There is something you did not think of or an area you did not address. Most of the time that area is not "stuff" or wealth, it is knowledge; Medical training, agricultural training, engineering training, mechanical training and practical application of those skills.

A "serious survivalist" always has the impossible in the back of his mind. That "impossible" being the failure of the return of normalcy.

We have never seen a total collapse of the social order in this country. Invasion, primal terrorism, and the distruction of war has been regonal or local. There has always been somewhere else to go to and there has always been an area where things were "normal" just a few miles away. Even the pioneers could pack up and go back east if Indian attacks got too intense, or the crops failed.

Even our Great Depression, the tragedy we measure all hardship too, was just a blip on the radar. There were still people with money, there were still jobs for 75% of the population, people still measured their self worth by having employment and providing for their own. As long as THEY had a job the unemployed guy was just another inferior bum. We still carry that concept.

We can not imagine a collapse of the entire social/financial order world wide. We can not comprehend the complete rearrangement of the social order, collapse of borders, absence of law and due process, loss of all medical care/treatment or complete loss of status. And it is not because it can not happen, it is because we can not cope with that thought.

How many replies to posts begin with the phrase, "I can not imagine the situation that would lead too..."

And the reaction to and result of any "global tragedy", or even wide spread disaster, would be different in each country or even in each region of our own country.

I do not make fun of Sourdough for his caching program. That might be just what he needs in his situation. Low population density, wilderness area, several disaster senerios that have occurred in his area since I have a memory. Earthquake wipes out his entire area in mid-winter(it happened back in 1964), those caches may be exactly what he needs to stay alive and rebuild. In my area they would be a waste of rescources and effort.

My own efforts to preserve life, not to preserve the norm, are of a different nature. They would not be appropriate for Sourdough, or Ms. B, or Winnie, or Randyt in Michigan, or Crash in Florida.

Perhaps I am a pessimist due to my background in history. I have studied the "global tragedies" and seen them reoccur on a regular basis, and usually the ball dropped when things were at their best. "Things were great" until just a short time before "the impossible" happened.

The one thing I have learned from studying/teaching history for my lifetime is that things have not always been as they are now, the world is in a constant transition and the results may not be what was wanted or intended. And when those things happen there is simply no help available.

Now watch the next post begin with the phrase: "I can not imagine..."

jhnnymwr75
07-31-2012, 12:41 PM
Am I prepared for something? No. I'm too young and don't make enough money that I would start to buy preps with, im more focused on the land and getting the knowledge now for when I buy the preps among other things. I find survival as in prepping, and wilderness survival a fun like hobby or even a lifestyle. The only thing i've really prepped up with are books, locations (I could hide and survive in), and plans. I'll probably not make it threw TEOTAWAKI but maybe a SHTF scenerio, but who really knows? I feel something is to come, for better or for worse, and I feel I need to buy preps. But i'm only 17, it just seems odd to me.

Wildthang
07-31-2012, 12:44 PM
Well I beleive you should prepare within your means. Dont quit paying bills to buy preps, just get what you can afford, have a general plan, and hope for the best! You cannot do a detailed plan for all of the SHTF scenarios, there are too many!

natertot
07-31-2012, 12:51 PM
We live such a cushy life. Even when SHTF it's a cushy life. We have no idea what desperation and want are. Sudan, Darfur, Ethiopia, Cambodia, India and on and on have all experienced devastation and death beyond our imagination. I find it hard to imagine this country experiencing anything at those levels. They started with nothing and lost even that. We're starting at the top.

The real issue is not where we start from, but where we end at. Rome was once a world super power, the center of life on earth. Look where they are. The higher up you are, the further the fall. Just my $.02, can I get a receipt?

Crabapple Plum
07-31-2012, 01:16 PM
There are big differences between Preppers, Survivalists and Doomers.

I think most people may be too complacient, facing prepping and survivalism as a light hobby, something to throw spare change at and pretend they're doing something. They don't want to cross the social barrier, and will ride "IT" down with their toys, case of water and extra can of soup.

The Doomers. Some are single event Doomers, some can plan for a couple of events. What they fail to plan for is the continuation of life as we know it. People can only run on adrenaline for so long before they're completely batsh!t crazy. They usually suck at real risk assessment, constructing their Doomer Fantasy World around sci-fi, internet rumors fanned by Doomer Profiteers or religious cults, real or imagined.

The real tragedy of this bunch are the kids raised to believe they would never reach adulthood before the world ended. It's darn tough for them when they realize they are becoming adults and are still alive, poorly educated, poorly socialized and have no idea what they want to be when they grow up. Learning their parents are batsh!t crazy beyond what normal teens think of their parents is pretty dang tough on them. They know there is no family support when they go out in the world and try to get a job, get educated, make friends and build a life for themselves.

Then there are the rest of us. One foot in, one foot out people, and those of us who live the lifestyle planning and preparing so we don't have to worry much about what's coming at us or even notice when it does. Some are new to it, some of us have the knowledge of several generations. Knowledgable threat assessments and known risks are a big advantage. Generations of proven methods combined with hard-tested new theories to keep everyday life flowing.

Winter
07-31-2012, 01:37 PM
We're starting at the top.

The further you fall, the harder the impact.

SD, If I had $50k to spend on preps, I would.

Crabapple Plum
07-31-2012, 01:42 PM
Throwing money at it is a poor solution. Money is a useful tool but it's not the most important.

Sarge47
07-31-2012, 02:06 PM
The further you fall, the harder the impact.

SD, If I had $50k to spend on preps, I would.

Like they say: "Knowledge is Power!" :nod:

cowgirlup
07-31-2012, 02:16 PM
I already know enough isn't done here. There are some big gaping craters in our preps. I can't do it all myself, so I do what I can with the full knowledge of where it can fail miserably. I'm sure I'll wish someday that I took the time to learn more about some things but right now time is at a premium. So I do what I can and hope it all works out.
I'm still way ahead of most people.

Rick
07-31-2012, 02:28 PM
Holy crap. I don't base my preps on a feeling that something is going to happen. I base my preps on tangibles. That may be the reason I don't get all weak knee'd about the social order or a collapse of the economy or EMPS or Zombies. I worry about tornadoes, droughts, blizzards and the like.

I also don't buy preps based on a flurry of activity. Holy Christmas! Ammo is flying off the shelves. Let if fly. I'm done will adding to my preps. If I can't survive with what I have so be it.

My thinking was, re: We're at the top, is that we have warehouses and grain elevators full of "stuff". Those other countries didn't have that. We (those who prep) have supplies to fall back on. Those other countries didn't have that. That takes a bit of the sting out of SHTF situations. As KY pointed out, the worst we've ever seen was the Great Depression and 75% were still working. The odds are it won't get worse than that. And don't tell me about odds because if you were standing at the crap table in Vegas and you had 75/25 odds of winning you'd be breaking your wrist tossin' those dice. Total collapse hasn't happened yet and the odds are it won't happen. If it does it does but it's not likely to so I don't get all excited. Tornadoes, on the other hand, are much worse odds in these parts.

Crabapple Plum
07-31-2012, 02:37 PM
I haven't figured out how to prep for that direct hit from the giant astroid. I don't have the math skills for it.

Cast-Iron
07-31-2012, 02:45 PM
Would I like to have more resources set aside? Sure.

Am I better prepared than I was six months ago? Without a doubt.

This is an ongoing process requiring each of us to take an inventory of our weaknesses and strengths so we can work within our means to improve our chances for any number of scenarios where our knowledge, skills, and resources may be put to the test.

If the dollars are tight this month, I just spend more time working on those area of need which don't require a lot of capital. There are also a lot of inexpensive foods which are quiet shelf-stable that you can rotate into your everyday use (flour, sugar, corn meal, rice, beans, and pastas to name a few). I figure anyone should be able to set aside a 2000 calorie per day emergency supply for under $1.00 per person. It may lack a lot of variety but it beats having nothing to fall back on.

kyratshooter
07-31-2012, 02:56 PM
Rick, the point is that total collapse HAS occurred, and it has occurred many times, just not in our immidiate memory.

Just because you can not remember it, or your parents can not remember it, does not remove it from being a distinct possibility. Ask any survivor of the WW2 concentration camps, the Nazi invasion of the soviet union, the Bosnia/Serbia of the '90s, or someone that fled the fall of the Soviet Union (also an unfailable superpower).

As far as the "odds" go, with 75/25 odds I would keep my money in my pocket. I said I was a pessimist and I am. I have found that,in my life, if there is a way to get craped on it will find me. I do not even anticipate my preps being a "sure thing", which is why I have diversified my selections and response options. I also know how close we came to losing our form of government and "way of life" during the "Great Depression" and the war that was necessary to end it. The prosperity of the '50s and '60s was the effort required to replace all the "stuff" that we had done without or torn up during that 15 year period.

Historically, the odds that some form of total collapse will occurr again are absolute. It will happen, only time and form are questionable.

Yes, we should be ready for fire, flood, tornado and hurricane, but those same preps Phsyically, mentally and emotionally, should be part of a whole life experience that prepares us for ANY event, which might include famine, war, plague or the realization that they no longer make twinkies.

gryffynklm
07-31-2012, 04:07 PM
I Also base my preps on the potential hazards common to my location, primarily tornado/ wind damage, flood and fire. Pretty much the extent of my preps. The above and beyond like social and economic SHTF is beyond most of our experience. Yes they are a potential concern, if things go down, its anyones guess how bad. I'm just hoping to have the run of the mill stuff covered and a bit extra. If the above and beyond happens, then at least I have that buffer. If Ultra Serious Surviver means obsessed and paranoid, I don't have time, I'm too busy making ends meet and managing normal life, what ever normal is at the moment, it seems to change now and then.

Sourdough
07-31-2012, 04:31 PM
If Ultra Serious Surviver means obsessed and paranoid, I don't have time, I'm too busy making ends meet and managing normal life, what ever normal is at the moment, it seems to change now and then.

See I would be "OBSESSED and Paranoid" if I was NOT Serious. The fact that I am prepared allows my to relax and enjoy life.

BENESSE
07-31-2012, 04:44 PM
See I would be "OBSESSED and Paranoid" if I was NOT Serious. The fact that I am prepared allows my to relax and enjoy life.

That's a little like saying that anorexics are not obsessed with weight because they lost all they needed to and now they're just enjoying thir healthier and slimmer figure.

Sourdough
07-31-2012, 04:54 PM
That's a little like saying that anorexics are not obsessed with weight because they lost all they needed to and now they're just enjoying their healthier and slimmer figure.

That is a strange interpertaion........but if it works for you, it works for me. If I lived in NYC I would not waste any time, effort, or money on prepping. I would live for today as the Hedonist I always dreamed of being.

gryffynklm
07-31-2012, 05:08 PM
See I would be "OBSESSED and Paranoid" if I was NOT Serious. The fact that I am prepared allows my to relax and enjoy life.

That was not intended as any sort of slight to anyone, I hope it wasn't taken that way. SD your needed level of preparations for every day life if far more complicated then it is for me at my location. Perhaps in comparison I am complacent because not being prepared here in WV on an average day just means going to town tomorrow to get what I forgot and never having it be be issue.

crashdive123
07-31-2012, 05:09 PM
Are "WE" too complacient......? Will we be happy with what appears as enough Now...??

OK, so when do you put your seatbelt on.........when the SHTF, or before. When do you but on your PFD.......? When you get in the watercraft, or when it is sinking.
A balanced life is appropriate during "Normal" times. However there is a overwhelming feeling in America and in the world that something (Not Known) is going to happen. Clearly because of the drought we are in for serious food inflation. Could you do more to prepare for yourself and family......??? Will you wish you had done more.....??? Will you wish you had twenty more cases of food.....???

Are you content with you preperations....? Was Bilbow's visit a wake-up warning....??? It is easy to joke and ridicule, but few here have ever experienced non-self induced hunger.

Bilbow's visit was the joke in that thread, not the responses he received. I am content with the preps that I have done, but they are ongoing. I evaluate what is most likely and prepare accordingly. Do I have concerns that I am not completely ready for some events? You bet. I keep working toward those ends, but one of the things that I must do is to not lose sight of living. If I ever become consumed to the point where paranoia and fear dictate my daily activities - then I have already lost.

BENESSE
07-31-2012, 05:14 PM
That is a strange interpertaion........but if it works for you, it works for me. If I lived in NYC I would not waste any time, effort, or money on prepping. I would live for today as the Hedonist I always dreamed of being.

Actually, I think the argument re. who is more hedonistic, (you or I) could go either way. Don't think that you're quite off the hook. :sneaky2:

Celticwarrior
07-31-2012, 05:36 PM
The way I see it, since you can't possibly know WHAT disaster or emergency you might face in the future, you can't ever say you have done ENOUGH to prep for it. IF all you are ever going to prep for is a SPECIFIC event and with a SPECIFIC timeframe, then I guess you could do that, but what about long-term problems? What happens when an earthquake happens and it destroys your house? What happens when a once in a century flood happens and washes away your entire plot of land? What happens when a hurricane or tornado comes through and destroys your entire TOWN? Then what? What kind of prep can you do to prepare for YEARS worth of homelessness and rebuilding? It is a never ending process. You get as much as you can in the time you have, so that if something happens tomorrow, you are as ready as you CAN be. Beyond that, it will come down to your will to live, your desire to rebuild, and your ingenuity to overcome the many unforeseen obsticles that will lie ahead.

hunter63
07-31-2012, 05:45 PM
I find that keeping up with BOB, caches, vehicles, BOL and so forth... is like balancing and spinning plates on sticks.

Balance one and get it, spinning, then start another, spin the first again, then another and so on.....So all the while you need to up date, upgrade, and keep tabs on the earlier stashes......or keep spinning the plates you have,... before you start another.

So unless everything you have is good for a long period of time, so they don't go bad, rust, freeze.......just keeping up with the spinning becomes a job in it self.....something to think about.

BENESSE
07-31-2012, 05:58 PM
Hunter, that's pretty much what it feels like. Same as maintaining your home, yard, vehicle, health, etc. It's an ongoing job if you do it responsibly.

hunter63
07-31-2012, 06:20 PM
Hunter, that's pretty much what it feels like. Same as maintaining your home, yard, vehicle, health, etc. It's an ongoing job if you do it responsibly.

Well, it does to me.........So, no matter what, You ain't DONE.....just keep spinning.

Rick
07-31-2012, 09:39 PM
Nope. Sorry. The question was how have I planned not how everyone thinks I should. Famine, war, plague, no more twinkies, bring it on baby 'cause I .... wait a minute. (famine, war, plague...) Wait just a doggoned minute!!

You guys laughed at me a few months back when I said I have arrived but I have. I'm spent a small fortune on stuff and if it can't keep me alive after the asteroid hits (I have a giant catcher's mitt for that, by the way) then I'm just going to die. I keep it updated and rotated but I don't add any more to it. I built my plan. Prepped according to it and I don't think I can do any more to make me any safer. If you step back and really look at it prepping becomes your life. You have to add one more thing because....well....just because. You have to know when to say whoa or the horse will keep walking. Just sayin'.

Sarge47
07-31-2012, 09:47 PM
My philosophy is simple, buy up everything you can lay your hands on...and die anyway...because, sooner or later, we all gotta go! :nod:

Celticwarrior
07-31-2012, 09:59 PM
My philosophy is simple, buy up everything you can lay your hands on...and die anyway...because, sooner or later, we all gotta go! :nod:

Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever. LOL

Ted
07-31-2012, 10:20 PM
Historically, the odds that some form of total collapse will occurr again are absolute. It will happen, only time and form are questionable.

Yes, we should be ready for fire, flood, tornado and hurricane, but those same preps Phsyically, mentally and emotionally, should be part of a whole life experience that prepares us for ANY event, which might include famine, war, plague.

:clap: Right on, Kyrat! You took the words right out my mouth! Or should I say.... Write out of my head...LOL!!!!

BENESSE
07-31-2012, 11:13 PM
Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever. LOL

Good luck with that. :thumbs_up:

natertot
07-31-2012, 11:29 PM
Rick and Kyrat, I agree that it is better to plan for tornadoes, floods, pwr outage, water/drought shortage, etc. My thought is that if I'm prepared for those things, then financial collapse, government change, etc should still be covered in what ever preps I have. I mean, does it matter that a tornado took out my house, or shrapnel from a war?

Just my basic and simple thoughts.

farmerjane
07-31-2012, 11:39 PM
I am in no way done with my preps. I have spent the last five years getting ready for "something". I know this seems wierd, but I had a dream of an angle telling me to prepare and that I had 5 years to do. Unfortunately...........he did not tell me WHAT to prepare for, however that 5 years will be up in November. So, we will see if I was just crazy for beliving in a dream or not.

I have focused our farm on having only things that will reproduce themselves and provide food or barter. With food preps and alternative energy sources. Our other spot will be just the basic survial area......really hope I dont need that one, because it will put be WAY ouside my comfort zone.

I am just about as ready as I think I can be given I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS COMING...... Grandma always said "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

No Electric for extended period of time........No problem.
Bio hazards.......might as well go out with the masses, not prepared for that.
Idiots with no thought of others......well, could go either way.
Draught and food shortages.........no problem.
Zombies or Aliens........not planned for.
The list could go on and on......

Old Professor
08-01-2012, 09:36 AM
As I posted recently, I now have the FEMA reccomended supplies stored, a means to purifiy water amd firearms for survival hunting and reasonable personal protection. I am prepared (I hope!) to "bug in". I am most concerned about a natural disaster, not a political collapse or an asteroid strike. because I can not do anything about an asteroid strike or a political 0collapse. Before I retired, I taught a college course on Natural Hazards and Hazard Mitigation and have chosen to live in an area with what I see as minimal risk. Not "no risk" because there is no place that does not have some type of natural hazard risk. I do have some additional Items I would like to acquire, such as an electric generator and get it hooked up to certain equipment. Otherwise, I am feeling reasonably prepared for those threats that I feel I can do something about.

hunter63
08-01-2012, 10:52 AM
Including non-elecrtic or fuel powered tools and appliances in the plans rate pertty high, in my plans....Thus the intrest in "The old ways"
Heat, light, water, transportation.

Rick
08-01-2012, 08:23 PM
Natertot - I understand what you are saying but each event brings with it it's own set of specific issues that have to be dealt with. On the surface, if you've prepped for one you've prepped for all but if you put together an event specific list of items based on what needs to be covered with that event you start to see some very different things that have to be in your stock pile. And just putting stuff together will overlook some of those specific items. For example, on the list of flood/high water is a water pump. Not something you are likely to include in your list for drought, blizzard, tornado, etc. Likewise, roofing materials (actual and improvised) will be on your list for tornado but not likely to be on your list for flood. I think you get my point.

Once you have gone through each individual list and compiled all the items for that event and completed each list then you can rightfully say that you've prepped for the worst so you should be good. If you just put one "comprehensive" list together then you'll miss a lot of stuff.

Obviously, there will be a lot of overlap. You only need 1 hammer for all events (yes, you can get 8 of them if you want). But the key essentials will be the event specific things you won't think of unless you use a list for that event.

jhnnymwr75
08-01-2012, 10:48 PM
After reading threw this, i've decided to start prepping for a few things that seems to be occurring around here or are a high possibility. Drought, Fire, Flood and masses of panicking people. What i'm starting with is: location, food, water, caches and some sort of weaponry (Sling shot anyone?) and not in that order and just enough to hold me off to find another way to meet means, its SHTF not TEOTWAWKI right?. But the whole one list to cover them all thing is going to have to hold for a while before I can break it down into specifics and until I learn more about my 'enemy'.

natertot
08-01-2012, 11:19 PM
@ Rick- I see what you mean and that is a very valid point. I believe that I have some work cut out for me now!!!!!!:boxer:

Rick
08-02-2012, 12:10 AM
Johny - Before you get to any list you need to determine what you think is most likely to occur where you are. Here's a list to give you an idea. You might think of others. If so, just add them to the list. Do an assessment and determine which ones you think are most likely to occur to least likely. Then prepare a list of things you want to include in your preps for that specific threat. That will allow you to spend money where you feel gives you the biggest bang for you buck and you'll have the most likely threat covered first. Once each individual list is complete then you can build a comprehensive list that includes all the gear you need for all the threats taking into account any redundancy from all of the lists.

Biological Threat: A biological attack is the deliberate release of germs or other biological substances that can make you sick. Many agents must be inhaled, enter through a cut in the skin or be eaten to make you sick. Some biological agents, such as anthrax, do not cause contagious diseases. Others, like the smallpox virus, can result in diseases you can catch from other people.

Chemical Threat: A chemical attack is the deliberate release of a toxic gas, liquid or solid that can poison people and the environment.

Dam Failure: A dam failure or levee breach is a catastrophic event characterized by the sudden, rapid, and uncontrolled release of impounded water.

Earthquakes: An earthquake is the sudden, rapid shaking of the Earth, caused by the breaking and shifting of subterranean rock.

Explosion: A release of mechanical, chemical or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.

Extreme Heat: An extended period of high temperatures often accompanied by high humidity.

Fire: A state, process or instance of combustion in which fuel or other material is ignited and combined with oxygen, giving off light, heat, and flame.

Flood: Refers to the overflowing of normally dry areas, often after heavy rains. Flood is usually applied to the overflow of a great body of water, as, for example, a river, although it may refer to any water that overflows an area.

Hazardous Material: Any substance or mixture of substances having properties capable of producing adverse effects on the health and safety or the environment of a human being.

Hurricane: A severe tropical storm that forms in the southern Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and in the eastern Pacific Ocean.

Influenza Pandemic: A pandemic is a global disease outbreak. An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza A virus emerges for which there is little or no known immunity in the human population and the virus begins to cause serious illness and then spreads easily person-to-person worldwide.

Landslide/Debris Flow: Landslides, also known as mudslides and debris flows, are the downward falling or sliding of a mass of soil, detritus or rock on or from a steep slope. They can be caused by a variety of factors including earthquakes, storms, and fires.

Nuclear Threat: An explosion with intense light and heat, a damaging pressure wave and widespread radioactive material that can contaminate the air, water and ground surfaces for miles around. An event typically recognized with an attack by a foreign power.

Nuclear Power Plant Emergency: An accident comprised by the release of radioactive material from the plant into the environment, usually characterized by a plume (cloud-like formation) of radioactive gases and particles. The major hazards to people in the vicinity of the plume are radiation exposure to the body from the cloud and particles deposited on the ground, inhalation of radioactive materials, and ingestion of radioactive materials.

There are two “emergency planning zones” in the event of an accident. One zone covers an area within a 10-mile radius of the plant, where it is possible that people could be harmed by direct radiation exposure. The second zone covers a broader area, usually up to a 50-mile radius from the plant, where radioactive materials could contaminate water supplies, food crops, and livestock.

Radiation Threat: A radiation threat, commonly referred to as a "dirty bomb" or "radiological dispersion device (RDD)", is the use of common explosives to spread radioactive materials over a targeted area. It is not a nuclear blast. The force of the explosion and radioactive contamination will be more localized.

Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Thunderstorm: A transient storm of lightning and thunder, usually with rain and gusty winds, sometimes with hail or snow, produced by cumulonimbus clouds.

Tornado: A localized, violently destructive windstorm occurring over land, esp. in the Mid-West, and characterized by a long, funnel-shaped cloud extending toward the ground and made visible by condensation and debris.

Tsunami: Tsunamis, also known as seismic sea waves, are enormous waves caused by an underground disturbance such as an earthquake or volcanic eruption. They can move hundreds of miles per hour and hit land with waves topping 100 feet in height.

Volcano: A vent in the earth's crust through which lava, steam, ashes, etc., are expelled, either continuously or at irregular intervals.

Wildfire: Any large fire that spreads rapidly and is hard to extinguish.

Winter Storm or Extreme Cold: A severe winter condition characterized by low temperatures, strong winds, and heavy blowing snow.

Crabapple Plum
08-02-2012, 12:11 AM
Using the KISS method of threat and risk assessments and careful planning, you can eliminate a lot of needless headaches and expenses. Fer instance, why prep for floods when you can choose to not live on flood plains and tsunami zones? Live on high ground, you won't need to evacuate for a flood, buy a pump or wrestle with insurance companies over damages.

When you choose a location for a life with low threat conditions, preparing for the few you have is not so overwhelming. Then you can spend more time and resources entertaining ideas on defeating the astroid strikes.

BENESSE
08-02-2012, 07:48 AM
Why not prepare for the absolute worst (whatever that is to you) when either, A) bugging in or B) bugging out? That way, you'll be covered for anything less.
Start with the basics (the core, so to speak) which all disasters share--water, shelter, food, meds, defense & destination (if bugging out) and build from there to the best of your ability...gas masks, protective clothing, etc.
At least that's what I'm doing.

jhnnymwr75
08-02-2012, 01:58 PM
Thank you everyone for the help!


Johny - Before you get to any list you need to determine what you think is most likely to occur where you are. Here's a list to give you an idea. You might think of others. If so, just add them to the list. Do an assessment and determine which ones you think are most likely to occur to least likely. Then prepare a list of things you want to include in your preps for that specific threat. That will allow you to spend money where you feel gives you the biggest bang for you buck and you'll have the most likely threat covered first. Once each individual list is complete then you can build a comprehensive list that includes all the gear you need for all the threats taking into account any redundancy from all of the lists.

Biological Threat: A biological attack is the deliberate release of germs or other biological substances that can make you sick. Many agents must be inhaled, enter through a cut in the skin or be eaten to make you sick. Some biological agents, such as anthrax, do not cause contagious diseases. Others, like the smallpox virus, can result in diseases you can catch from other people.

Chemical Threat: A chemical attack is the deliberate release of a toxic gas, liquid or solid that can poison people and the environment.

Dam Failure: A dam failure or levee breach is a catastrophic event characterized by the sudden, rapid, and uncontrolled release of impounded water.

Earthquakes: An earthquake is the sudden, rapid shaking of the Earth, caused by the breaking and shifting of subterranean rock.

Explosion: A release of mechanical, chemical or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.

Extreme Heat: An extended period of high temperatures often accompanied by high humidity.

Fire: A state, process or instance of combustion in which fuel or other material is ignited and combined with oxygen, giving off light, heat, and flame.

Flood: Refers to the overflowing of normally dry areas, often after heavy rains. Flood is usually applied to the overflow of a great body of water, as, for example, a river, although it may refer to any water that overflows an area.

Hazardous Material: Any substance or mixture of substances having properties capable of producing adverse effects on the health and safety or the environment of a human being.

Hurricane: A severe tropical storm that forms in the southern Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and in the eastern Pacific Ocean.

Influenza Pandemic: A pandemic is a global disease outbreak. An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza A virus emerges for which there is little or no known immunity in the human population and the virus begins to cause serious illness and then spreads easily person-to-person worldwide.

Landslide/Debris Flow: Landslides, also known as mudslides and debris flows, are the downward falling or sliding of a mass of soil, detritus or rock on or from a steep slope. They can be caused by a variety of factors including earthquakes, storms, and fires.

Nuclear Threat: An explosion with intense light and heat, a damaging pressure wave and widespread radioactive material that can contaminate the air, water and ground surfaces for miles around. An event typically recognized with an attack by a foreign power.

Nuclear Power Plant Emergency: An accident comprised by the release of radioactive material from the plant into the environment, usually characterized by a plume (cloud-like formation) of radioactive gases and particles. The major hazards to people in the vicinity of the plume are radiation exposure to the body from the cloud and particles deposited on the ground, inhalation of radioactive materials, and ingestion of radioactive materials.

There are two “emergency planning zones” in the event of an accident. One zone covers an area within a 10-mile radius of the plant, where it is possible that people could be harmed by direct radiation exposure. The second zone covers a broader area, usually up to a 50-mile radius from the plant, where radioactive materials could contaminate water supplies, food crops, and livestock.

Radiation Threat: A radiation threat, commonly referred to as a "dirty bomb" or "radiological dispersion device (RDD)", is the use of common explosives to spread radioactive materials over a targeted area. It is not a nuclear blast. The force of the explosion and radioactive contamination will be more localized.

Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Thunderstorm: A transient storm of lightning and thunder, usually with rain and gusty winds, sometimes with hail or snow, produced by cumulonimbus clouds.

Tornado: A localized, violently destructive windstorm occurring over land, esp. in the Mid-West, and characterized by a long, funnel-shaped cloud extending toward the ground and made visible by condensation and debris.

Tsunami: Tsunamis, also known as seismic sea waves, are enormous waves caused by an underground disturbance such as an earthquake or volcanic eruption. They can move hundreds of miles per hour and hit land with waves topping 100 feet in height.

Volcano: A vent in the earth's crust through which lava, steam, ashes, etc., are expelled, either continuously or at irregular intervals.

Wildfire: Any large fire that spreads rapidly and is hard to extinguish.

Winter Storm or Extreme Cold: A severe winter condition characterized by low temperatures, strong winds, and heavy blowing snow.

After going threw the list there are a few more added to my list. But I picked Floods because I live in a very dry area, but also in a bowl, so when it rains it pours and it all comes in and fills everything up, making roads un-accessible, floods insides of homes, sweeps homes, trees, yards etc, away and they have been common this last month and I have been caught in several going threw somewhere around 3 feet deep water with a 2001 Honda Accord (fun, scary, and not willing to do that again).

Then Wildfire because fires are very common and can spread very quickly with all the dried up scenery. Plus a drought because the closest water near is a small small river (more like a crick) and a small Reservoir that probably wouldn't last the city a day.
But i've also added Hazardous Material because we get a lot of large semi trucks pulling all sorts of stuff threw on a poorly made road full of pot holes and idiot drivers.

But the Influenza Pandemic and Volcano or still in the vote if I should or not. The rest don't have much affect on me, although Chemical, Nuclear and Biological are, its just something I feel is a little out of my range for now.


Using the KISS method of threat and risk assessments and careful planning, you can eliminate a lot of needless headaches and expenses. Fer instance, why prep for floods when you can choose to not live on flood plains and tsunami zones? Live on high ground, you won't need to evacuate for a flood, buy a pump or wrestle with insurance companies over damages.

When you choose a location for a life with low threat conditions, preparing for the few you have is not so overwhelming. Then you can spend more time and resources entertaining ideas on defeating the astroid strikes.

Location has been a big thing on my mind, but I have to wait a whole year before I can bother to think about purchasing a home but I am saving up for it. My plan for the Astroid is get a team of people all across the world with BIG lasers and we will split it into chunks so it become small little astroids instead of a big one! :saberbattle:


Why not prepare for the absolute worst (whatever that is to you) when either, A) bugging in or B) bugging out? That way, you'll be covered for anything less.
Start with the basics (the core, so to speak) which all disasters share--water, shelter, food, meds, defense & destination (if bugging out) and build from there to the best of your ability...gas masks, protective clothing, etc.
At least that's what I'm doing.

That was partly my original plan. Get enough caches in a destination, a B.O.B, then hike out to the area and stay there with enough food, water, shelter, etc. and last long enough that everything gets back into order. But I still don't have a full plan, its not even close I think.

sgtmcboom
08-02-2012, 01:58 PM
Am I prepared for something? No. I'm too young and don't make enough money that I would start to buy preps with, im more focused on the land and getting the knowledge now for when I buy the preps among other things. I find survival as in prepping, and wilderness survival a fun like hobby or even a lifestyle. The only thing i've really prepped up with are books, locations (I could hide and survive in), and plans. I'll probably not make it threw TEOTAWAKI but maybe a SHTF scenerio, but who really knows? I feel something is to come, for better or for worse, and I feel I need to buy preps. But i'm only 17, it just seems odd to me.

It doesnt take alot of money to prep. You can get 3 gals of water for under 2 bucks you can get bags of white rice for around 12 bucks at walmart. If you spent $20 bucks every 2 weeks you would have a nice personal stash for cheap in a couple of months. While rice is not the best food but it lasts a long time and with sugar you can make it into a breakfast cerial and it works as filler or a side dish if you have seasonings. With some fresh eggs from chickens you can make rice stir fry. Little soy sauce with rice and you can add fish to it as well.

jhnnymwr75
08-02-2012, 02:07 PM
It doesnt take alot of money to prep. You can get 3 gals of water for under 2 bucks you can get bags of white rice for around 12 bucks at walmart. If you spent $20 bucks every 2 weeks you would have a nice personal stash for cheap in a couple of months. While rice is not the best food but it lasts a long time and with sugar you can make it into a breakfast cerial and it works as filler or a side dish if you have seasonings. With some fresh eggs from chickens you can make rice stir fry. Little soy sauce with rice and you can add fish to it as well.

Mmmmm, now i'm hungry! :munchies: But that sounds like a good idea! the cheapest I have found (without really looking at really anything) is a dollar for a gallon of water. The cheapest food I've food is canned at like 1.50or less for a can of beef stew, haven't looked at rice yet, and i'm not a MRE kind of a guy (been down that road at a camping trip). I'm the only one in my family who likes rice, so I don't have to worry about someone snatching it up while i'm not looking (Although I plan on trying to get them into it, without family or really anyone, life would be boring and tragic if something does happen). But 10 bucks a week or 20 bucks every 2 weeks, might actually work. Thanks a lot!

crashdive123
08-02-2012, 02:22 PM
Mmmmm, now i'm hungry! :munchies: But that sounds like a good idea! the cheapest I have found (without really looking at really anything) is a dollar for a gallon of water. The cheapest food I've food is canned at like 1.50or less for a can of beef stew, haven't looked at rice yet, and i'm not a MRE kind of a guy (been down that road at a camping trip). I'm the only one in my family who likes rice, so I don't have to worry about someone snatching it up while i'm not looking (Although I plan on trying to get them into it, without family or really anyone, life would be boring and tragic if something does happen). But 10 bucks a week or 20 bucks every 2 weeks, might actually work. Thanks a lot!

I have to assume that you are still living with your parent(s)? If so, do they prepare for things? If not - your mission now becomes to help them along the way to prepare for what is most likely to occur in your area.

sgtmcboom
08-02-2012, 02:32 PM
Rice and beans can go along way. Peanut butter and treat "cheap spam" clif bars. If you drink soda you can empty and clean the bottles and fill them with water and they will last a while that way. There are cheap ways to prep. I have been looking at all the stuff we throw away and try to reuse what I can instead of wasting money.

Crabapple Plum
08-02-2012, 03:09 PM
White rice and dry small red beans are inexpensive, make a complete protein, cook quickly and store well forever if done correctly. I don't think food preps get any cheaper than that. Just add weeds for vitamins.

A couple of years ago my sister took my red beans and rice to another level of convenience and mobility. She ran it through the food mill, spread it out and put it in the dehydrator. When it was completely dry she measured it into single and double serving Foodsaver bags, measured in seasonings and dehydrated vegetables and vegetable powders. Then we vacuum sealed the bags. I have a bucketful of tasty "Add hot water, Ready to eat in 10 minutes," meals. Way cheaper than commerical with the added benefit of being chemical/preservative-free.

cowgirlup
08-02-2012, 03:55 PM
Mmmmm, now i'm hungry! :munchies: But that sounds like a good idea! the cheapest I have found (without really looking at really anything) is a dollar for a gallon of water. The cheapest food I've food is canned at like 1.50or less for a can of beef stew, haven't looked at rice yet, and i'm not a MRE kind of a guy (been down that road at a camping trip). I'm the only one in my family who likes rice, so I don't have to worry about someone snatching it up while i'm not looking (Although I plan on trying to get them into it, without family or really anyone, life would be boring and tragic if something does happen). But 10 bucks a week or 20 bucks every 2 weeks, might actually work. Thanks a lot!

Here are some good ideas to get started:

http://readerstarred.blogspot.com/2012/07/prepping-on-cheap-5-week-shopping.html

Watch the store sale flyers and make sure you buy food you like!! if you don't like canned beets now, no sale is going to make them taste better in an emergency. You'll just be stuck in a bad situation with crappy food.

sgtmcboom
08-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Thats one thing I have been thinking of getting into is the food storage portion of things. Right now I just have about 10 20lb bags of rice and 5 20 lb bags of beans stacked in the closet. I am thinking if I should put them in 5 gal buckets or some sorta storage bin.

Crabapple Plum
08-02-2012, 04:22 PM
Thats one thing I have been thinking of getting into is the food storage portion of things. Right now I just have about 10 20lb bags of rice and 5 20 lb bags of beans stacked in the closet. I am thinking if I should put them in 5 gal buckets or some sorta storage bin. Broken down into smaller portions in mylar packets with oxygen obsorbers, stored in buckets with tight lids and stacked are almost TEOTWAWKI proof. Bugs, rodents and moisture are not a threat. Even if an event scatters your house across the region, there will be buckets and packets of salvagable food in the mix of debri.

jhnnymwr75
08-02-2012, 10:34 PM
I have to assume that you are still living with your parent(s)? If so, do they prepare for things? If not - your mission now becomes to help them along the way to prepare for what is most likely to occur in your area.
Yeah, im only 17 and can't move out yet, and they used to prep but they thought there was too much to worry about to actually do it. But i'm attempting a round 2.


Rice and beans can go along way. Peanut butter and treat "cheap spam" clif bars. If you drink soda you can empty and clean the bottles and fill them with water and they will last a while that way. There are cheap ways to prep. I have been looking at all the stuff we throw away and try to reuse what I can instead of wasting money.


White rice and dry small red beans are inexpensive, make a complete protein, cook quickly and store well forever if done correctly. I don't think food preps get any cheaper than that. Just add weeds for vitamins.

A couple of years ago my sister took my red beans and rice to another level of convenience and mobility. She ran it through the food mill, spread it out and put it in the dehydrator. When it was completely dry she measured it into single and double serving Foodsaver bags, measured in seasonings and dehydrated vegetables and vegetable powders. Then we vacuum sealed the bags. I have a bucketful of tasty "Add hot water, Ready to eat in 10 minutes," meals. Way cheaper than commerical with the added benefit of being chemical/preservative-free.

Thats really cool! Thank you for the ideas. But i'll have to learn more about the weeds before I attempt to make a meal with them tho.


Here are some good ideas to get started:

http://readerstarred.blogspot.com/2012/07/prepping-on-cheap-5-week-shopping.html

Watch the store sale flyers and make sure you buy food you like!! if you don't like canned beets now, no sale is going to make them taste better in an emergency. You'll just be stuck in a bad situation with crappy food.

I'll make sure to try the different kinds before I go all out into buying in mass haha. Thank you for the article is very cool.


Broken down into smaller portions in mylar packets with oxygen obsorbers, stored in buckets with tight lids and stacked are almost TEOTWAWKI proof. Bugs, rodents and moisture are not a threat. Even if an event scatters your house across the region, there will be buckets and packets of salvagable food in the mix of debri.

I like the thought of that :ohno:

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