Survival Checklist

[Tony Clifton]

Hi everyone. New guy here. Just signed up.

I made a checklist for all the supplies I think I would need if crap were to hit the fan. I was wondering if some of you could look it over and give me any pointers. Things Ive missed and whatnot. Or suggest any specific brands for certain items.

This site is pretty cool. I hope to stick around and learn a thing or two as well as hopefully contribute.

Arms

Self Defense Shotgun - Mossberg 500
Large Game Hunting Rifle - Ruger Mini-14
Small Game Hunting Rifle - Ruger 10/22
Pistol - H&K 45

Health

First Aid Kit
Potasium Iodide Tablets (for radiation)
Chlorine Dioxide Tablets (for water purification)
Super Glue
Book - “Emergency War Surgery”
Hydrogen Peroxide
Q-tips

Shelter

Hiking Backpack (waterproof)
Duffle Bags (waterproof)
Tent
Sleeping Bag
Hiking Boots
Hiking Socks
All-Weather Jacket
Beenie
Gloves
Army Fatigues
Compression Shorts
Compression Shirts
Utility Vest
Gas Masks
Unlubricated Condoms (for keeping socks dry)
Metallic Emergency Blanket

Tools

Book - Survivalist book? (any recommendations?)
Survival Map
Tactical Compass
Binoculars - Barska
Firestarter - Sweedish Firesteel - Army Model
Water Cantine
Pan, Pot, Cup
Folding Shovel
Bolt Cutter
Hatchet
Crowbar
Leatherman
Swiss Army Knife
Folding Knife
Fixed Blade Knife - Gerber LMF II Infantry Knife
Knife Sharpening Device
Can Opener
Windproof / Waterproof Matches
50 ft paracord rope
Bailine Wire
Whistle
Charcoal Water Filter
Sewing Kit
Finger Nail Clippers
Toothbrushes

Food

Freeze Dried Food
MRE’s
Dog Treats (when youre starving, you will finally eat 'em. Great emergency food.)
Canned Food
Seed Stock

Electronics

Emergency Crank Radio - Eton FR300
GPS
Rechargeable Walkie Talkies / CB Radio
LED Maglight
LED Headlamp - Petzl LED
Rechargeable Batteries
Solar Recharger

Extras

Duct Tape
Ziploc Bags
Lighters
Camp Stove / Cooking Fuel
Baking Soda (much better than shampoo!)

[Sarge47]

Welcome aboard, what's the Super Glue for? :confused1:

[Sarge47]

I see that you're in Switzerland, hows the weather up your way? :confused1:

[Tony Clifton]

Welcome aboard, what's the Super Glue for? :confused1:

It works better than stitches for a deep cut.

Healing wounds on the battle field is actually what it was originally designed for I am told.

I split my elbow open in Spain during a sporting event once. Required 22 boot lace size stitches. Nearly needed a skin graft considering about a 4" patch of skin was missing from my elbow/arm/forearm. Two weeks later I was competing again and the wound split back open cause it hadnt healed yet. I could see the insides of my elbow underneath the skin and everything, muscles, tendons, bone, you name it.

I laid a heavy bead of regular super-glue down on the raw skin and pinched it together for about 10 minutes. It never split open again. No infection. Worked perfectly.

Next time you need to go to the emergency room for stitches, I highly recommend saving yourself the hassle and just getting some disinfectant and superglue and handling the issue yourself. You'll be back to full capabilities by the end of the day.

[Sarge47]

Well given the fact that I know Bupkis about you all's I could add to your list is a truck to haul it all around! Looks more like A BOB that an SK! :smartass:

[Tony Clifton]

I see that you're in Switzerland, hows the weather up your way? :confused1:

Im not in Swiss, but close guess.

It's hot here. Very hot. Humid too.

Paradise on Earth.

[Tony Clifton]

Well given the fact that I know Bupkis about you all's I could add to your list is a truck to haul it all around! Looks more like A BOB that an SK! :smartass:

I believe that a party of 3-4 could easily carry all of that.

When it comes to the actual stockpile of ammunition needed for the long haul, that is a different story. That would require a home base of some sort.


If you know of a good all-around survivalist in-the-wild book you could suggest, that would be appreciated.

[Sarge47]

Im not in Swiss, but close guess.

It's hot here. Very hot. Humid too.

Paradise on Earth.

Sorry, my bad, Milan, Italy! :detective:

[Sarge47]

If you know of a good all-around survivalist in-the-wild book you could suggest, that would be appreciated.

Sorry Tony, but without a proper intro I don't give out any info. Nothing personal, just like to know who I'm chatting with and some particulars 1st. :balloon:

[Tony Clifton]

Sorry Tony, but without a proper intro I don't give out any info. Nothing personal, just like to know who I'm chatting with and some particulars 1st. :balloon:

Funny, your Ben Franklin sig is usually my sig on message boards.

As for a "proper intro"... Im not sure what you mean. Im not sure I understand the reason to with-hold a book recommendation. Im certainly not asking for any information on you. Is this forum suspect to unusual or suspicious people usually? I wouldnt think a survivalist forum would be that taboo a place to partake. Fill me in on the reason for the paranoia (for lack of a better term, please forgive me and dont take offense).

That said, what do you want to know about me specifically?

And btw, not Milan either haha. Surely you are aware of proxy's.

[Sarge47]

As for a "proper intro"... Im not sure what you mean.

Go to the "Introduction section" and you will find a "sticky" that people use to fill out a proper intro.


Im not sure I understand the reason to with-hold a book recommendation.

I don't give out ANY info until I know who i'm talking to. I don't know how old you are, or what geographical area you're talking about.


Im certainly not asking for any information on you. Is this forum suspect to unusual or suspicious people usually? I wouldnt think a survivalist forum would be that taboo a place to partake. Fill me in on the reason for the paranoia (for lack of a better term, please forgive me and dont take offense).

We get many trolls and spammers on here, most use proxy's from other countries.


That said, what do you want to know about me specifically?

Go to the General Chat forum, click on "Introduction" and follow the "sticky."




And btw, not Milan either haha. Surely you are aware of proxy's.

See? This is what I'm talking about. You want info from us but don't want to give out any on yourself...very suspicious behavior....no offense. :confused1:

[Sarge47]

Use this: http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?7813-Posting-Your-Introduction

:smartass:

[Tony Clifton]

Go to the "Introduction section" and you will find a "sticky" that people use to fill out a proper intro.

Did it. I wasnt aware of the whole "intro procedure"




I don't give out ANY info until I know who i'm talking to. I don't know how old you are, or what geographical area you're talking about.

I have no interest in giving out any personal information on myself. Just like I have no interest in anyones personal information here.

Im not sure why anyone would troll a site like this. But I'll take your word for it that you guys are for some reason a easy target.




We get many trolls and spammers on here, most use proxy's from other countries.

Fair enough. No troll here. Just looking for advise.




Go to the General Chat forum, click on "Introduction" and follow the "sticky."

Did it.






See? This is what I'm talking about. You want info from us but don't want to give out any on yourself...very suspicious behavior....no offense. :confused1:

Again, Im not sure what is suspicious. I want info "from you", not "about you". No offense taken.

Every forum has its weird quirks. Im just learning this place at the moment.

[kyratshooter]

Funny, your Ben Franklin sig is usually my sig on message boards.

As for a "proper intro"... Im not sure what you mean. Im not sure I understand the reason to with-hold a book recommendation. Im certainly not asking for any information on you. Is this forum suspect to unusual or suspicious people usually? I wouldnt think a survivalist forum would be that taboo a place to partake. Fill me in on the reason for the paranoia (for lack of a better term, please forgive me and dont take offense).

That said, what do you want to know about me specifically?

And btw, not Milan either haha. Surely you are aware of proxy's.

Much of what we recommend is climate specific. If we think you are in Switzerland and you are actually in southern Italy we might make a misguided recomendation.

Here in the States we have people seperated by 5,000 miles on this forum. I am in Kentucky and I am actually closer physically to the members in England than I am to the ones in our own state of Alaska, Washington or parts of California.

Some of our recomendations are also age based. It is best for us to know general location, age and expertise level.

[Sarge47]

Much of what we recommend is climate specific. If we think you are in Switzerland and you are actually in southern Italy we might make a misguided recomendation.

Here in the States we have people seperated by 5,000 miles on this forum. I am in Kentucky and I am actually closer physically to the members in England than I am to the ones in our own state of Alaska, Washington or parts of California.

Some of our recomendations are also age based. It is best for us to know general location, age and expertise level.

Like Kyrat says. Nobody on here wants you to post your physical address and if you were stupid enough to do it I would delete it. Likewise we don't want you posting your e-mail address as it's nobody's business but yours. However, consider this; we're like a big family here, we joke, kid each other, rank each other, and even meet in the flesh at times, like the 4th Annual Jamboree that's going to happen in October. We have give-a-ways here, a "Department of Caring" that sends out gift cards when members are going through tough times, and even raffles for free knives and other gear! It's up to you, but I've been on here for 5 years and never had a single member complain over a violation of privacy because somebody else knew what State or country they lived in. As a matter of fact, I now have a close friend from this forum that I often talk to on the phone. It's up to you and I don't think anybody's going to get their nose out of joint if you don't want to share that info. Later! :smartass:

[Tony Clifton]

Much of what we recommend is climate specific. If we think you are in Switzerland and you are actually in southern Italy we might make a misguided recomendation.

Here in the States we have people seperated by 5,000 miles on this forum. I am in Kentucky and I am actually closer physically to the members in England than I am to the ones in our own state of Alaska, Washington or parts of California.

Some of our recomendations are also age based. It is best for us to know general location, age and expertise level.

Excellent. Ok, that eases my concerns. As well as Sarges last post.

Im 31 years old. My girlfriend is 22 and very handy with a gun in her hand. Quite the marksman.

We currently live in Northern Italy. Moving back to SoCal soon. If I could find a way to stay here and prosper I would. Southern Switzerland is easily one of the most beautiful places Ive ever been and Ive had the privilege of traveling the world a few times over.

[Sarge47]

Excellent. Ok, that eases my concerns. As well as Sarges last post.

Im 31 years old. My girlfriend is 22 and very handy with a gun in her hand. Quite the marksman.

We currently live in Northern Italy. Moving back to SoCal soon. If I could find a way to stay here and prosper I would. Southern Switzerland is easily one of the most beautiful places Ive ever been and Ive had the privilege of traveling the world a few times over.

See? With your GF being such a great marksman you don't have to worry about anybody! :sneaky2:

Northern Italy, huh? Ever see Army Ranger Di....er...uh...Rick on the ski slopes out there? :sneaky2:

[crashdive123]

Welcome Tony. For any "list" of items it is really important for you to assess what is most likely. What I mean by that is - What are the most likely threats that will cause me to have to use it. Once you rank what is the most likely to occur, you prepare accordingly. I've gotta run for a bit, so I haven't looked at your list yet, but I will.

[Sarge47]

I'm not a "survivalist" so I'll let others on here make the book recommendations. :cool2:

[Rick]

A list is just a list. As Crash said, you need to determine what you think is most likely to happen then try to determine what you need to mitigate those risks. It's sort of like saying you play football. Is that American football or Rubgy? Is it pro, semi pro or amateur? It makes a tremendous difference. Are your concerns weather related? collapse of society? Aliens? Zombies? Pick your poison. Once you've done that then you can begin to list out the things you'll need to keep you and your loved ones safe..safer(?).

[Tony Clifton]

A list is just a list. As Crash said, you need to determine what you think is most likely to happen then try to determine what you need to mitigate those risks. It's sort of like saying you play football. Is that American football or Rubgy? Is it pro, semi pro or amateur? It makes a tremendous difference. Are your concerns weather related? collapse of society? Aliens? Zombies? Pick your poison. Once you've done that then you can begin to list out the things you'll need to keep you and your loved ones safe..safer(?).

My concerns are of course immediate and longterm. Immediate concerns would be being able to address minor injuries and self defense. Long term its about having enough supplies and know how for sustainability in a hostile environment whether it be humans or surviving the winter. Notably urban since the chances of me making it to my ranch acreage in NorCal would be slim and not worth the risk. After reading Selco's story, Im now aware of the importance of bartering and having a specific and rare skill-set and how valuable that can be in an urban setting.

All of this of course would be the result of civil unrest of any major magnitude. Zombie apocalypse or aliens arent really scenarios I could plan for as the variables involved are unknown. But I am curious as to find out what you guys have determined is proper preparation for those scenarios and how they differ from a breakdown of society situation.

Thanks Crash. Im eager to see your critique.

[Rick]

Well...the aliens and zombies were tongue in cheek.

I prepare for weather events and a few man made ones. Mostly those that require short term evacuation. Local meth lab, industrial accident, chemical rail or truck wreck, chlorine leak at the local swimming hole. You get the picture. I'm not into societal breakdown and economic collapse. But that aside, you need to rank the likelihood of events as you see them. Survival doesn't mean anything. Survival from what? and how do you survive the what? IMO that's where you have to get to. And your geography will have a huge impact, too. How SD preps and what he preps for in Alaska is a whole lot different than what and how I prep in Indiana.

I listed out all the things that I thought I might face and ranked them by the likelihood of them happening. I made a list to mitigate each one. When I was done, I merged those lists together and that gave me a comprehensive worst case list of preps. But I still knew what each event needed (or think I do) to mitigate it. So the individual list is just as important because I know what to bring to the table if that event happens.

[crashdive123]

Tony - a few questions if I could, before I can offer a critique that might be helpful.

1. Type of area you live (urban, suburban, rural, isolated)?
2. Type of climate and terrain?
3. Where are you going with your kit (motel, relatives, forest, etc.)?
4. How long does your kit need to support you?
5. How far do you expect to travel with your kit?

[natertot]

The few things I will point out on your list is that you have a mini-14 for large game. I don't think .223 is a good choice for ethical large game. Also, you listed a first aid kit. First aid kit is a universal term. Make sure it includes treatment for insects/plants/injuries that are common for you area and/or situation.

That's about all I have to say about that.

[Tony Clifton]

Well...the aliens and zombies were tongue in cheek.

I prepare for weather events and a few man made ones. Mostly those that require short term evacuation. Local meth lab, industrial accident, chemical rail or truck wreck, chlorine leak at the local swimming hole. You get the picture. I'm not into societal breakdown and economic collapse. But that aside, you need to rank the likelihood of events as you see them. Survival doesn't mean anything. Survival from what? and how do you survive the what? IMO that's where you have to get to. And your geography will have a huge impact, too. How SD preps and what he preps for in Alaska is a whole lot different than what and how I prep in Indiana.

I listed out all the things that I thought I might face and ranked them by the likelihood of them happening. I made a list to mitigate each one. When I was done, I merged those lists together and that gave me a comprehensive worst case list of preps. But I still knew what each event needed (or think I do) to mitigate it. So the individual list is just as important because I know what to bring to the table if that event happens.

Excellent. Thankyou Rick. Very solid advice there.

[Tony Clifton]

Tony - a few questions if I could, before I can offer a critique that might be helpful.

[1. Type of area you live (urban, suburban, rural, isolated)?

I will be living in Southern California. Moving back to Newport (Orange County) area.

If it was possible for me to get to rural areas that I know well, such as the Pacific Northwest, I'd be 100x more confident of my survival due to the fact that where I grew up was very remote, we already made do living off the land, and we already made do without societal laws and ordinances to keep things in "order". I imagine life wont change much at all when or if SHTF on a large scale scenario in these areas where Im from.

But the chances of me being able to load up all my supplies and make it out to these regions are pretty slim. I have to assume that in a worst case scenario, I'd be stuck in SoCal and unable to get out in time. In the event that I could make it over the pass and into central California in time, it is still another 8-10 hours of driving to my hometown. That is without traffic and possible unknowns that could slow me down in the event of a major crisis. A trip like that would require one stop for refueling, possibly two. And if I didnt make it all the way, I feel I'd be in a worse position than if I had just stayed and bunkered down. Being stuck in car on a highway littered with other vehicles is just asking for trouble in a SHTF scenario. So if I were to make the jump out of town, I'd have to be VERY sure I could make it all the way.

My emergency planning is for if Im not 100% sure and have to bunker down, if of all places, the worst during a SHTF scenario, SoCal.


2. Type of climate and terrain?

Very close proximity to the beach. I suppose fishing supplies would be wise but when checking out Selco's story, he said that moving around during the day-time was pretty much suicide.


3. Where are you going with your kit (motel, relatives, forest, etc.)?

Like I said, I'd be bunkering down where Im at. I'd imagine freeways would be impossible to navigate. I wouldnt want to get stuck with my car loaded down. I have family in the Hollywood Hills. If I could make it there to increase the size of my support group, that is where I would head.


4. How long does your kit need to support you?

I look at Selco's story, and how he has adapted and planned for in the event of the next breakdown, and Im trying to plan in a similar fashion. So we're talking about sustainability. from his description, once **** gets really bad, if you can go about 6 months in a urban setting, you can go indefinitely.


5. How far do you expect to travel with your kit?

Honestly, I dont expect to travel far if at all. Like I said, realistically, making it to the Hollywood Hills would be an accomplishment IMO.

Initially my list was rather limited to what I knew would work in a rural setting, as that is what I have experience in. And it was made to fit in a sedan or pickup truck and pretty much make it any distance if I were to make a large move.

But after reading Selco's story, and learning just how fast a SHTF situation can creep up on you, I began to add to the list based on his advise. I never even thought of having a "trade stockpile" of such things like cheap whiskey. Which are very space consuming. Initially my list was comprised of items I knew that 3-4 people could pack up and travel by foot with. But I've re-thought that and I dont find it so realistic. My list grew and at this point, I'd be hard pressed to fit all the supplies in anything but a small garage or bunker.

I dont expect to travel at all.

[Tony Clifton]

The few things I will point out on your list is that you have a mini-14 for large game. I don't think .223 is a good choice for ethical large game. Also, you listed a first aid kit. First aid kit is a universal term. Make sure it includes treatment for insects/plants/injuries that are common for you area and/or situation.

That's about all I have to say about that.

"Large Game" is a relative term. The biggest game on the west coast to be honest is a deer/buck. A well placed .223 round would do the trick I would think. Why do you feel it isnt a good choice? Define "ethical large game" for me.

The Mini-14 is my do-it-all rifle. It can be outfitted to be a very serviceable self-defense weapon as well as it is an accomplished and true hunting rifle. I picked it because of its versatility. It is non-flashy, reliable, low maintenance, accurate, and uses ammo that is fairly common. Im not a gun-nut and wont claim to be even intermediately knowledgeable. I simply spent about 4 hours reading various reviews, forums, and websites on guns and survival. The two rifles that continually came up were the AK-47 and the Mini-14.

If I need to take down something bigger, the AK will work.




Yes, the first aid kit is a universal term. It will be a large kit, and I will stockpile a few of them.



Keep the criticism coming.

[Sarge47]

"Large Game" is a relative term. The biggest game on the west coast to be honest is a deer/buck. A well placed .223 round would do the trick I would think. Why do you feel it isnt a good choice? Define "ethical large game" for me.

I believe that he means "legal," no horses or cows, but I could be wrong.


The Mini-14 is my do-it-all rifle. It can be outfitted to be a very serviceable self-defense weapon as well as it is an accomplished and true hunting rifle. I picked it because of its versatility. It is non-flashy, reliable, low maintenance, accurate, and uses ammo that is fairly common. Im not a gun-nut and wont claim to be even intermediately knowledgeable. I simply spent about 4 hours reading various reviews, forums, and websites on guns and survival. The two rifles that continually came up were the AK-47 and the Mini-14.

Tony, the AK 47, Mini 14, and AR 15 all use the .223 round. However you CAN get the Mini 14 and AK 47 in the 7.6 round. The difference is that Ruger has a great warranty and you could get it repaired easier than the AK 47. Also, remember that reading about something on-line is a great place to start, but the next step would be to get somewhere where you could test-fire both guns and check out all of the specifics.


If I need to take down something bigger, the AK will work.

Again, it takes basically the same round as the Mini 14. Why carry two high caliber rifles when only one is needed to get the job done? My pick would be the Mini 14 in the 7.6 NATO round. Both my brother and son, who are ex-military BTW, have the AR 15. My brother, who is preparing for a zombie invasion, also has a lever action Marlin in .454 cal., which can knock down an elephant! Go figure. :confused1:

[Rick]

I would suggest that living in Cali a few things you have to fear most are earthquake, tsunami and wild fire (depending on actual location). We've seen the aftermath of all of those situations (tsunami in AK) and societal breakdown wasn't on the list. Some looting but that's about it.

If you think you are going to be hunting after a calamitous event consider all the other folks that are planning on the same thing and how many people will be doing it. Animals will probably be non-existent in short order.


if you can go about 6 months in a urban setting, you can go indefinitely.

Not true at all. If you can go 6 months anywhere then you can go six months. If that's all you have then you won't make seven.

What happened in Bosnia is a good study but it's only one scenario. It's not the be all end all. You need to consider other scenarios as well. Look at the aftermath of earthquakes and tsunamis in the last decade. You are a he** of lot more likely to have a devastating earthquake in CA than a Bosnian type situation. Not studying those is like going into a game with only one play in the playbook. You better have more than that or you won't win.

Arms

Self Defense Shotgun - Mossberg 500
Large Game Hunting Rifle - Ruger Mini-14
Small Game Hunting Rifle - Ruger 10/22
Pistol - H&K 45

If you have to leave for any reason what are you taking? Consider the weight of the weapon(s) as well as the ammo. What can you carry?

Health

First Aid Kit - List out your contents
Potasium Iodide Tablets (for radiation)
Chlorine Dioxide Tablets (for water purification)
Super Glue
Book - “Emergency War Surgery” Surely you don't think you're going to do any type of surgery. You'd be far better off with "Where There is no Doctor and Where There is no Dentist. You can download them free but order the books. It will be a lot more compact. http://hesperian.org/books-and-resources/
Hydrogen Peroxide
Q-tips
Shelter - What kind?
Hiking Backpack (waterproof)
Duffle Bags (waterproof)
Tent
Sleeping Bag
Hiking Boots
Hiking Socks
All-Weather Jacket
Beenie
Gloves
Army Fatigues
Compression Shorts
Compression Shirts
Utility Vest
Gas Masks - For what? Most of the crap in military surplus makes a good dust mask and that's it. You need proper training in the use of a gas mask and the filters have to be in date and sealed. If you're willing to spend 300-500 for a new mask then it might be good for a while until the filters expire.
Unlubricated Condoms (for keeping socks dry)Use zip lock backs. They don't break.
Metallic Emergency Blanket

Tools

Book - Survivalist book? (any recommendations?) Depends on what you want to survive. How about a wild edibles book or a wildcraft book?
Survival Map - No such thing.Get a topo map of your area and where ever you plan to go.
Tactical Compass - Forget the catchy buzz words. You want two or three solid compasses. Look for a sighting compass by Silva, Brunton or Suunto. Good makers. More importantly, learn how to use it. You have to figure in declination in California or the compass won't be of any use. You need to know what and how to do that.
Binoculars - Barska - I'm not an authority on glasses but I do know you get what you pay for. I have a nice pair of Nikon glasses and a lot of crap. If you have a scoped rifle you might reconsider the glasses.
Firestarter - Sweedish Firesteel - Army Model - Forget army anything. Just get a firesteel. They are all made in China so pick an inexpensive one. A Doan magnesium will serve you even better.
Water Cantine
Pan, Pot, Cup
Folding Shovel
Bolt Cutter
Hatchet
Crowbar
Leatherman
Swiss Army Knife
Folding Knife
Fixed Blade Knife - Gerber LMF II Infantry Knife
Knife Sharpening Device
Can Opener
Windproof / Waterproof Matches
50 ft paracord rope
Bailine Wire
Whistle
Charcoal Water Filter
Sewing Kit
Finger Nail Clippers
Toothbrushes

You've got a lot of heavy stuff in the tool department that you will be dropping in the first couple of blocks. If you want it for home fine but you won't be carrying it. And if things are as bad as you're thinking indicates you won't be driving anywhere.

Food

Freeze Dried Food
MRE’s
Dog Treats (when youre starving, you will finally eat 'em. Great emergency food.) - Forget this. If you're going to carry food, carry food. The same dollars and space you use for this can be used for actual food.
Canned Food
Seed Stock - Where are you growing stuff in the city?
Electronics
Emergency Crank Radio - Eton FR300
GPS
Rechargeable Walkie Talkies / CB Radio
LED Maglight
LED Headlamp - Petzl LED
Rechargeable Batteries
Solar Recharger

Extras

Duct Tape
Ziploc Bags
Lighters
Camp Stove / Cooking Fuel
Baking Soda (much better than shampoo!)

You've listed a canteen but really overlooked the most important item and that's water. How do you intend to store it? You need 1 gallon per day for drinking, cooking and hygiene per person. How are you going to make it potable? This area needs a lot of work. It's the one area that will keep you alive longer than anything you've listed. Don't forget your water heater, either. That's a storage tank.

This is just my opinion based on my experience, beliefs and studies. Your mileage may vary.

[crashdive123]

Thanks for the response to my questions. With your answers in mind.......my comments are in red.




Arms

Self Defense Shotgun - Mossberg 500
Large Game Hunting Rifle - Ruger Mini-14
Small Game Hunting Rifle - Ruger 10/22
Pistol - H&K 45
If you are sheltering in place, these are fine. If you are traveling on foot, it is an unrealistic list. Another thing that may be unrealistic is the idea of small or large game hunting. Since you are basing your concerns on the accounts from Selco and what happened in Bosnia, and would most likely not be traveling far - there will be no game - large or small to hunt. The population density that exists in Southern California will make short work of any game that does exist. You may find a stray rat or a few cockroaches, but hunting in that location is not likely to be a reality.


Health

First Aid Kit - No comment without knowing contents.
Potasium Iodide Tablets (for radiation) Know what KI does and what it does not do. They are not some magical shield against radioactive fallout.
Chlorine Dioxide Tablets (for water purification)
Super Glue If your intended use is to close wounds, there may be better choices. Get training now - at a minimum make sure it is surgical grade, and not the stuff you buy off the shelf, as you can damage tissue with plain ole super glue.
Book - “Emergency War Surgery” Not useful IMO. There are many other manuals that would be better - Wilderness Medicine http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Medicine-Management-Environmental-Emergencies/dp/0323009506 or Where There Is No Doctor http://www.amazon.com/Where-There-Is-No-Doctor/dp/0942364155
Hydrogen Peroxide Can damage tissue - be careful on its use
Q-tips
Shelter Need more info
Hiking Backpack (waterproof)
Duffle Bags (waterproof)
Tent
Sleeping Bag
Hiking Boots
Hiking Socks
All-Weather Jacket
Beenie
Gloves
Army Fatigues
Compression Shorts
Compression Shirts
Utility Vest
Gas Masks Gas masks alone will not help you in an NBC event. Here is where a critical assessment of your real threats comes into play. It may be either inadequate, or unnecessary.
Unlubricated Condoms (for keeping socks dry) There are much better options
Metallic Emergency Blanket

Tools

Book - Survivalist book? (any recommendations?)
Survival Map Not sure what that is
Tactical Compass Not sure what that is either. Is that baseplate, lensatic, prismatic, etc. Make sure you know how to use it or it's just added weight.
Binoculars - Barska
Firestarter - Sweedish Firesteel - Army Model You don't have nearly enough fire starting methods.
Water Cantine
Pan, Pot, Cup
Folding Shovel
Bolt Cutter
Hatchet
Crowbar
Leatherman
Swiss Army Knife
Folding Knife
Fixed Blade Knife - Gerber LMF II Infantry Knife
Knife Sharpening Device
Can Opener
Windproof / Waterproof Matches Still not enough.
50 ft paracord rope
Bailine Wire
Whistle
Charcoal Water Filter
Sewing Kit
Finger Nail Clippers
Toothbrushes

Food

Freeze Dried Food
MRE’s
Dog Treats (when youre starving, you will finally eat 'em. Great emergency food.) There are much better options
Canned Food
Seed Stock Why?
Electronics What?
Emergency Crank Radio - Eton FR300
GPS
Rechargeable Walkie Talkies / CB Radio
LED Maglight
LED Headlamp - Petzl LED
Rechargeable Batteries
Solar Recharger

Extras

Duct Tape
Ziploc Bags
Lighters
Camp Stove / Cooking Fuel
Baking Soda (much better than shampoo!)

Your list is not well thought out. Either you are sheltering in place, or you are moving out. Your list is a combination of both - neither of which is completely useful. Unless and until you realistically assess your threats and come up with a plan - your list is just that - a list. Reading Selco's blog and being concerned about what happened in Bosnia is one thing, but is it realistic for Southern California? Once you formulate a sound plan, even if it is based on the concerns you derived from reading Selco, then you can focus on a list.

[Tony Clifton]

Tony, the AK 47, Mini 14, and AR 15 all use the .223 round. However you CAN get the Mini 14 and AK 47 in the 7.6 round. The difference is that Ruger has a great warranty and you could get it repaired easier than the AK 47. Also, remember that reading about something on-line is a great place to start, but the next step would be to get somewhere where you could test-fire both guns and check out all of the specifics.

Ive fired both the AK and Mini-14 extensively.

The reason for owning both is simple. The AK is a true assault rifle. It's sound is unmistakable and a great deterrent. I know that if I drag that thing through the mud it will still shoot. Ive also done tests where Ive put 500 rounds through it consecutively and while the barrel got orange-red hot, it never jammed or hiccuped. The AK I own is in the 7.62 round which is a much larger round than the 5.56 NATO round my Ruger uses. In my experience, the AK is a much heavier round and I would prefer it in a fire-fight. Just my opinion but it is based on various tests of shooting both rounds back to back and comparing the damage done.

Im not really worried about warranties if SHTF. My warranty is that I will be adding cheap AK's to my collection for insurance. 3 or 4 extra Romanian made AK's can be had and would not be a waste of space IMO. It's possible that I will need to arm my fellow family members.




Again, it takes basically the same round as the Mini 14. Why carry two high caliber rifles when only one is needed to get the job done? My pick would be the Mini 14 in the 7.6 NATO round. Both my brother and son, who are ex-military BTW, have the AR 15. My brother, who is preparing for a zombie invasion, also has a lever action Marlin in .454 cal., which can knock down an elephant! Go figure. :confused1:

The AR-15 is a fine gun, when all conditions are perfect. So long as I have plenty of gun cleaning supplies and time to keep up on the maintenance. In my experience, the AR makes a better toy than survival weapon and is far surpassed by the AK in real world applications due to its effectiveness and reliability. Sure, the AK will never be as accurate, but I have found that deterrence is the most important thing.

For example, nothing scares people more than firing off a clip from a 9mm Uzi. The problem with a Uzi or Tech-9 or similar small automatic is that they get so hot after that first clip, they are often warped and unusable in my experience. So while they are effective short-term, they are pretty much throw away weapons that I wouldnt want in a SHTF scenario.

In closing, the reason I would have two seemingly similar guns is that the Mini-14 is more accurate than the AK. The Mini-14 is my hunting rifle first, and the AK is more my defense weapon. But I appreciate the versatility of both. When building my stable I took into consideration that the crap could hit the fan tomorrow and if it did, what would I want first, and the Mini-14 was that rifle. Over time, I was able to expand my collection to meet specific needs but I always kept in mind versatility.

[Tony Clifton]

I would suggest that living in Cali a few things you have to fear most are earthquake, tsunami and wild fire (depending on actual location). We've seen the aftermath of all of those situations (tsunami in AK) and societal breakdown wasn't on the list. Some looting but that's about it.

If you think you are going to be hunting after a calamitous event consider all the other folks that are planning on the same thing and how many people will be doing it. Animals will probably be non-existent in short order.

Good advice. I will make adjustments.




Not true at all. If you can go 6 months anywhere then you can go six months. If that's all you have then you won't make seven.

What happened in Bosnia is a good study but it's only one scenario. It's not the be all end all. You need to consider other scenarios as well. Look at the aftermath of earthquakes and tsunamis in the last decade. You are a he** of lot more likely to have a devastating earthquake in CA than a Bosnian type situation. Not studying those is like going into a game with only one play in the playbook. You better have more than that or you won't win.

Very true indeed. An earthquake is far more likely. I have a lot of experience in earthquakes that can debilitate an area.

Im not sure if the rules of the game change though. Power is out, water stops, gas stops. Similar if no the same issues that made life difficult in Bosnia no?



If you have to leave for any reason what are you taking? Consider the weight of the weapon(s) as well as the ammo. What can you carry?

Hands down Im taking my pistol and Mini-14, my chic would bring the 22 and her pistol. But again, I fell its better to bunker down than to try and hike out by foot. Nowhere really to go in Southern California. I dont plan on hiking all this stuff anywhere. The rest of the guns are for her brother or my other family members.



Book - “Emergency War Surgery” Surely you don't think you're going to do any type of surgery. You'd be far better off with "Where There is no Doctor and Where There is no Dentist. You can download them free but order the books. It will be a lot more compact. http://hesperian.org/books-and-resources/

Just a book I saw recommended on some other site. And a perfect example of why I wanted this list double checked.


Shelter - What kind?

Typo on my part. Sorry.


Gas Masks - For what? Most of the crap in military surplus makes a good dust mask and that's it. You need proper training in the use of a gas mask and the filters have to be in date and sealed. If you're willing to spend 300-500 for a new mask then it might be good for a while until the filters expire.

I have experience using gas masks. Expensive ones.


Unlubricated Condoms (for keeping socks dry)Use zip lock backs. They don't break.

Gotcha. This is just another item I saw suggested elsewhere. Supposed old military trick.




Tactical Compass - Forget the catchy buzz words. You want two or three solid compasses. Look for a sighting compass by Silva, Brunton or Suunto. Good makers. More importantly, learn how to use it. You have to figure in declination in California or the compass won't be of any use. You need to know what and how to do that.

Great advise. Thanks.


Firestarter - Sweedish Firesteel - Army Model - Forget army anything. Just get a firesteel. They are all made in China so pick an inexpensive one. A Doan magnesium will serve you even better.

Another recommendation from another survivalist forum. Point taken.


You've got a lot of heavy stuff in the tool department that you will be dropping in the first couple of blocks. If you want it for home fine but you won't be carrying it. And if things are as bad as you're thinking indicates you won't be driving anywhere.

Exactly, I dont plan on carrying this load of stuff anywhere. But Ive used a similar list in the past when camping and between 3-4 people, it can easily be moved around if everyone is in decent physical conditioning.


Dog Treats (when youre starving, you will finally eat 'em. Great emergency food.) - Forget this. If you're going to carry food, carry food. The same dollars and space you use for this can be used for actual food.

Im going to disagree with you here. "Real food" gets eaten fast in these situations. If you've ever been stuck while camping, discipline often goes out the window. Whereas people will hold off on the dog treats until they really have to. Again, I got firsthand experience with this one.


Seed Stock - Where are you growing stuff in the city?

It's light enough and takes up little enough space that while it may not make sense to have in the city, I'd rather have it than not. But in the hills of Malibu and Hollywood, food would grow just fine. Newport? Not so much.


You've listed a canteen but really overlooked the most important item and that's water. How do you intend to store it? You need 1 gallon per day for drinking, cooking and hygiene per person. How are you going to make it potable? This area needs a lot of work. It's the one area that will keep you alive longer than anything you've listed. Don't forget your water heater, either. That's a storage tank.

This is just my opinion based on my experience, beliefs and studies. Your mileage may vary.

Like I said before, my list was initially made off the top of my head based on what I used in rural situations. Where I grew up, potable water was not an issue. I just drank from the creek. Springs were everywhere.

And your last comment is a perfect example of why I wanted the list scrutinized. It's in its very early stages of development as far as Im concerned.

The water area definitely needs a lot of work. Water purification in a urban setting is something I know nothing about / am not prepared for at the moment.

[Tony Clifton]

If you are sheltering in place, these are fine. If you are traveling on foot, it is an unrealistic list. Another thing that may be unrealistic is the idea of small or large game hunting. Since you are basing your concerns on the accounts from Selco and what happened in Bosnia, and would most likely not be traveling far - there will be no game - large or small to hunt. The population density that exists in Southern California will make short work of any game that does exist. You may find a stray rat or a few cockroaches, but hunting in that location is not likely to be a reality.

Good advise. Thanks.


Super Glue If your intended use is to close wounds, there may be better choices. Get training now - at a minimum make sure it is surgical grade, and not the stuff you buy off the shelf, as you can damage tissue with plain ole super glue.

Ive had to use super glue before. I used plain ol super glue and it worked very well on a rather large wound. 22 stitches worth.


Hydrogen Peroxide Can damage tissue - be careful on its use

Got an alternative to suggest? Selco put hygiene way up on his list. Second only to weapons/ammo it seemed to me.



Shelter Need more info

Typo on my part.


Firestarter - Sweedish Firesteel - Army Model You don't have nearly enough fire starting methods.


Suggestions?



Dog Treats (when youre starving, you will finally eat 'em. Great emergency food.) There are much better options


Suggestions?


Seed Stock Why?


Why not. Im a very good farmer. If I can make it to the Hills and possibly out to Malibu (plenty of large foreclosed and empty properties to squat) I could easily plant a garden up in those mountains.


Electronics What?


Another typo.


Your list is not well thought out. Either you are sheltering in place, or you are moving out. Your list is a combination of both - neither of which is completely useful. Unless and until you realistically assess your threats and come up with a plan - your list is just that - a list. Reading Selco's blog and being concerned about what happened in Bosnia is one thing, but is it realistic for Southern California? Once you formulate a sound plan, even if it is based on the concerns you derived from reading Selco, then you can focus on a list.

I never felt it was a well thought out list. It's a starting point. And thus the reason I want it criticized and came here for advise. I would have been quite disappointed had I gotten nothing but praise for it. And trust me, on other sites I did.

It's a work in progress.

Point taken on the plan. You and Rick both said the same thing. I will adjust accordingly.

But as Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has/had a plan until they get/got knocked out". I dont want my plan or list to be too specific. I think flexibility and versatility is important but that is just me. But on the same token, you and Rick are right, this thing need to get specialized to a certain degree. And water needs to be addressed.

[Sarge47]

I see the problem here, you did not differentiate between what you would personally carry, your GF, and your family. You should probably separate the list into the proper groups.

If you like the idea of dog treats, go for it. I'd never use 'em. They can cause death. Like when you don't see that car coming when you're running across the street to sniff that other dog's butt! :creepy:

[Sarge47]

Another point, you are NOT describing a "Survival Kit," but a BOB!(Bug Out Bag.) An SK would never have all of that equipment. It's something you carry in addition to your other gear in case of an emergency. Your's would probably win the prize as the heaviest SK there is! :sweatingbullets:

[Tony Clifton]

Another point, you are NOT describing a "Survival Kit," but a BOB!(Bug Out Bag.) An SK would never have all of that equipment. It's something you carry in addition to your other gear in case of an emergency. Your's would probably win the prize as the heaviest SK there is! :sweatingbullets:


Interesting. I never thought of the two distinctions but you make a valid point. I need to learn the proper definitions of both. As well as specify my plan a bit more as many have suggested. And put more effort/thought into water rations/production.

[balendor]

It all comes down to personal preference as to which weapon is used and what you are comfortable with, what the weapons intended use is, for me if the SHTF the AR does what I need it to do as I have no intention of engaging Armored targets with the family in tow.

[Rick]

And reliability on the AR is pretty solid these days.

This might help you on terms.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?8037-Abbreviations-and-Terms

[balendor]

Yes the reliability has come along way since the first Stoner rifles were introduced. Today the AR makes for a solid and versatile weapon. Another I have always like is the Remington model 700 in 308 it makes a fine long range rifle.

[crashdive123]

My comments in red.


Good advise. Thanks. You're welcome.



Ive had to use super glue before. I used plain ol super glue and it worked very well on a rather large wound. 22 stitches worth. Good luck with that.



Got an alternative to suggest? Selco put hygiene way up on his list. Second only to weapons/ammo it seemed to me. I don't base my preps on accounts of what happened in Bosnia. It's not realistic as far as my list of concerns go.



Typo on my part.



Suggestions? Not until you have a plan.




Suggestions? Not until you have a plan.



Why not. Im a very good farmer. If I can make it to the Hills and possibly out to Malibu (plenty of large foreclosed and empty properties to squat) I could easily plant a garden up in those mountains. Again - you have no plan. What if the other 37,253,956 do?



Another typo.



I never felt it was a well thought out list. It's a starting point. And thus the reason I want it criticized and came here for advise. I would have been quite disappointed had I gotten nothing but praise for it. And trust me, on other sites I did. It's not even a starting point if you think about it. Making a list of what you will need before you have and idea of a) what will cause you to need it, and b) a plan on where you are going to use it (bug in/bug out) is an exercise in futility and pretty meaningless. Here's what I mean by that - suppose the most likely event to occur where I live is a hurricane but I read someplace that the author of a blog thought it important to prepare for nuclear fallout. If I focus my time, effort, money into prepping for nuclear fallout I'll be pretty well screwed when the hurricane hits. You HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN!!! You are putting the cart before the horse.

It's a work in progress. I'll give you that.

Point taken on the plan. You and Rick both said the same thing. I will adjust accordingly. Good deal. I'll reserve further critique until you do.

But as Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has/had a plan until they get/got knocked out". I dont want my plan or list to be too specific. I think flexibility and versatility is important but that is just me. But on the same token, you and Rick are right, this thing need to get specialized to a certain degree. And water needs to be addressed.

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