View Full Version : Part of survival is getting use to a changed living environment.
Wildthang
06-06-2012, 05:17 PM
Isn't that what we do? We leave an air conditioned house with running water, and warm wife, lots of food, and all the ammenities, and we go to the wilderness and sleep on the ground, eat whatever we can find or take with us, and hang out in the woods. But what are we really doing?
We are staying accustomed to a different environment instead of just living in a modern home. But that is a big part of survival, getting use to change.
People that are not use to it, or cant accept it, have far less chance of surviving when they are cast out of their little bubble, and into nature, or a hostile environment. Accepting a change and dealing with it is something a lot of people just cant or do not want to do, and that is a shame, and it greatly limits their chances of survival.
So we talk about being prepared, having a plan, having the perfect rifle etc, but the willingness to accept change is probably as important as any of the gear and supplies that a person could have, because some forms of SHTF will change your life forever and nothng will ever be the same, and if you cannot accept it, you probably wont survive it!
BENESSE
06-06-2012, 05:55 PM
Isn't that what we do? We leave an air conditioned house with running water, and warm wife, lots of food, and all the ammenities, and we go to the wilderness and sleep on the ground, eat whatever we can find or take with us, and hang out in the woods. But what are we really doing?
We are staying accustomed to a different environment instead of just living in a modern home. But that is a big part of survival, getting use to change.
People that are not use to it, or cant accept it, have far less chance of surviving when they are cast out of their little bubble, and into nature, or a hostile environment. Accepting a change and dealing with it is something a lot of people just cant or do not want to do, and that is a shame, and it greatly limits their chances of survival.
So we talk about being prepared, having a plan, having the perfect rifle etc, but the willingness to accept change is probably as important as any of the gear and supplies that a person could have, because some forms of SHTF will change your life forever and nothng will ever be the same, and if you cannot accept it, you probably wont survive it!
It's called denial. You don't have to be cast into nature or a hostile environment to suffer the consequences.
If you're a prepper who smokes, you're in denial.
If you're a prepper who can't see his feet because your stomach gets in the way, you're in denial.
If you're a prepper who spends more than he makes, you're in denial.
On, and on.
SHTF takes many forms. Ignoring any of them will be at your own peril, including your loved ones. JMHO, of course.
randyt
06-06-2012, 09:09 PM
I went to greektown in detroit last weekend. Talk about a changed environment, it was a different world to this country bumpkin.
Warheit
06-06-2012, 09:25 PM
A-d-a-p-t-a-t-i-o-n.
hunter63
06-07-2012, 01:12 PM
My experience has been the 3 day rule.......
It takes about 3 days to settle in to a new environment,..... eating, sleeping, personnel hygiene, most all daily activities.
First day is excitement or apprehension/fear....depending if it is a planned change of environment, or a situation forced on you.
Sleeping the first night is spotty sometimes, your body is still tense and tuned to all new things......This doesn't matter if you are in a hotel, or sleeping on the ground.
After the second day, you are kinda tired out, you mind is more used to things around you, you have just took the first big dump.....and you settle in.....and becomes the new normal.
After a two week hunting trip, rendeovouse, canoe camping, hiking or what ever it's hard to set at a table and eat, the rooms inside seems hot, you notice the smells, and miss the temp changes.....
Daniel Nighteyes
06-07-2012, 01:30 PM
After a two week hunting trip, rendeovouse, canoe camping, hiking or what ever it's hard to set at a table and eat, the rooms inside seems hot, you notice the smells, and miss the temp changes.....
Heh-heh-heh! Been there, done that for sure! After one extended "absence" from the modern world, I found that I simply could not sleep in a bed. It took me more than 3 days (about a week, if truth be told) to re-adjust.
hunter63
06-07-2012, 01:49 PM
....hardest part for was NOT putting my plate on my knee........
Thaddius Bickerton
06-07-2012, 01:55 PM
I remember coming home from my all expense paid trips at the pleasure of uncle sam and just sitting and watching running water and flush toilets.
or being able to turn on lights with a flip of a switch.
Adapting to change is important, decompressing is kind of a need to adapt also. If you haven't had a thing for a long time, having it will flip you out.
Imagine not having TP for a long time then getting to a real nice Amerikan toilet with all the amenities. It feels like you hit heaven, then you start worrying about having to give it up again.
I agree, the more one experiences of possible life changes, the more one can adjust to them with less challenge.
And that includes going both ways. Take a old homesteader used to overalls and wearing his knife / gun everywhere and put him in a black tie dinner and he has some adjusting to do. Same for the reverse.
Thad
Daniel Nighteyes
06-07-2012, 01:59 PM
I remember coming home from my all expense paid trips at the pleasure of uncle sam and just sitting and watching running water and flush toilets.
or being able to turn on lights with a flip of a switch.
Adapting to change is important, decompressing is kind of a need to adapt also. If you haven't had a thing for a long time, having it will flip you out.
Imagine not having TP for a long time then getting to a real nice Amerikan toilet with all the amenities. It feels like you hit heaven, then you start worrying about having to give it up again.
I agree, the more one experiences of possible life changes, the more one can adjust to them with less challenge.
And that includes going both ways. Take a old homesteader used to overalls and wearing his knife / gun everywhere and put him in a black tie dinner and he has some adjusting to do. Same for the reverse.
Thad
Dang, bro, I purely resemble those remarks!
-- Daniel (from SOUTH Alabama) Nighteyes
I confess I don't entirely understand this mind set. If you find yourself in a survival situation it would be counter-productive to me to accept the situation. My goal would be to survive the situation and return to my "normal" lifestyle. I have no intention of being in a survival situation long enough to accept it as a way of life.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-07-2012, 04:53 PM
I confess I don't entirely understand this mind set. If you find yourself in a survival situation it would be counter-productive to me to accept the situation. My goal would be to survive the situation and return to my "normal" lifestyle. I have no intention of being in a survival situation long enough to accept it as a way of life.
I understand where you're coming from, Rick. The key to survival is to recognize, accept & work within the current reality (I mean, it IS what it IS), rather than attempting to deny, ignore or fight it. Otherwise you'll lose each and every time. Its like being caught in an undertow in the ocean; if you attempt to fight it you'll drown, but if you figure out how to WORK WITH IT, you'll survive.
Over my life (and not just in the "woods" either), my greatest successes have come when I accepted the realities of my situation, then figured out how to win through "playing by the rules." Just my two-hundredths of a dollar.
-- Nighteyes
kyratshooter
06-07-2012, 05:25 PM
I have to float in Rick's canoe on this one. If you are not on an upward climb you are failing in the survival effort. That is wilderness or urban.
In the wilderness the goal of survival is to get out of the woods, not run off to the woods!
In the urban setting the goal is to make the situation better on a daily basis. It might not be as good as it once was, but it can be better than it was yesterday.
Just had a discussion similar to this with someone in a PM.
I have been tossed around real well a few times. Put into bad situations and had to make my way through them.
You can sit on the floor and get used to it, or you can scrounge up a couple of milk crates and get you butt off the ground. You can find some scrap pallets in the dumptster and make a table or sit on the floor and wish you had a table.
I once built a bed from scrap lumber in a loft space while working out of town so I could save on living cost. It was one step up from sleeping on the plywood floor and made me feel a bit more human through that difficult seperation from family. When the wife asked if I was safe and warm I could tell her I had a nice bed and a warm spot and she did not worry as much.
I have even known homeless people on the streets who figured ways to tap into the grid for use of an electric blanket and cell phone.
We are currently living in a time when people are finding their lives on hold, barely hanging on economically or losing materially on a daily basis. Shifting from the nice place in suburbia to a run down attic apartment or Mom's back bedroom with the wife and kids is the current SHTF. How we deal with the situation detirmines what part of our minds come out of the situation undamaged. We are again living through what made out grandparents the people they were. The old ladies that saved wrapping paper and string and the old geezers that never threw away bent nails.
No one was going to give you anything so you had to make it yourself, and you made it! You put a board floor over the dirt floor, put some glass in the windows and fixed the shack up. You built a shelf or table or chairs and made your life as normal as possible. The table might be an orange crate but it had a checked oilcloth on it and the chipped china was clean. You used what you had today, but kept you eyes open for a better orange crate and a few more scraps of wood so you could add a back room.
Sarge47
06-07-2012, 05:30 PM
I'm with Rick and KyRat on this one. I don't think that the term, "survival," can be pigeon-holed to just one type. I've met a guy who was a "two-time Cancer survivor" and proud of it. I survived my 1st marriage ending and actually welcomed the change. If I were to find myself in a "lost" situation then I would calmly accept that and work on finding my way home. :cool2:
natertot
06-07-2012, 05:44 PM
I have to float in Rick's canoe on this one.
Careful, he keeps talking about a great canoe accident and he wears a hong.....That cannot be a good combo!:sailor:
In all honesty, I do agree with rick. Work towards normality. If it is going to be a while, work on improving and making things as comfortable and easier as you can in the mean time.
kyratshooter
06-07-2012, 06:09 PM
Careful, he keeps talking about a great canoe accident and he wears a hong.....That cannot be a good combo!:sailor:
It's OK I have it figured out. I have a good personal flotation device from Bass-pro and I will not put on my glasses for any reason no matter what.
Gives new meaning to the term "made you look!"
I guess knowing when to not look is part of surviving too.
natertot
06-07-2012, 06:13 PM
It's OK I have it figured out. I have a good personal flotation device from Bass-pro and I will not put on my glasses for any reason no matter what.
Gives new meaning to the term "made you look!"
I guess knowing when to not look is part of surviving too.
Also, when you fall in, keep Rick up stream from you so you don't "run into anything"!:innocent:
I can't disagree with you at all, Daniel. If you are in a survival situation then you have to work within any constraints that you are faced with. But the GOAL remains a return to "normalcy" for me rather than an acceptance that this is my life. The best illustration I can conjure up is Captain Francis Croizer's ill fated expedition south from his ice locked ships near King William Island. While he and his crew were forced to deal with no food and freezing conditions their goal was always a return to civilization not resignation to their plight.
Natertot - You are one sick, sick puppy.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-07-2012, 08:04 PM
I can't disagree with you at all, Daniel. If you are in a survival situation then you have to work within any constraints that you are faced with. But the GOAL remains a return to "normalcy" for me rather than an acceptance that this is my life.
Ya know, Rick I've come to believe we're talking about two different things. Gimme me my electric blanket, coffee maker and microwave oven any time...
hunter63
06-07-2012, 09:44 PM
My goal would be to return to normal ASAP as well......No argument there.
That might not be possible for a lot of reasons, even if they are self induced.
My earlier comments are that you simply adapt to what you are faced with right now.....with the idea of improving your lot to what ever level you are shooting for.
I love my coffee in the morning, I won't die with out it, but just the thought of getting back to normal would tend to make me work towards it, be it substitutes, or just getting myself back to where it would be available.
Adaption is take what you are given, and making the best of it.......
One's comfort zone is a powerful driving force.
kyratshooter
06-07-2012, 10:30 PM
Don't worry Daniel. I have the answer. If there is a way to have a cup of coffee I am going to find it. Sometimes it is barely fit to drink but it is coffee.
Visit you local truck stop and pick up a 12V coffee maker and a 12v electric blanket. Stop at Autozone and pick up a solar charging pannel. Pull the battery out of the pickup and at least you can get a good nights sleep and have a cup of coffee come morning.
doug1980
06-07-2012, 10:41 PM
Well then I should be one heck of a survivor. My whole life has been about relocating and getting used to new environments.
hunter63
06-08-2012, 10:28 AM
So just how many of y'all carry a pound of coffee, (or whatever size those little cans are now-a-days) in the carry around in the back of truck ......kit.?
(Hummmm maybe I outta swap that out been in the truck for awhile)
Spartan300
06-08-2012, 12:43 PM
So just how many of y'all carry a pound of coffee, (or whatever size those little cans are now-a-days) in the carry around in the back of truck ......kit.?
(Hummmm maybe I outta swap that out been in the truck for awhile)
You better swap it out for some fresh Folgers.....not decaf either!:munchies:
crashdive123
06-08-2012, 12:57 PM
So just how many of y'all carry a pound of coffee, (or whatever size those little cans are now-a-days) in the carry around in the back of truck ......kit.?
(Hummmm maybe I outta swap that out been in the truck for awhile)
I've got three large cans of coffee in the back of my truck. Must be a Navy Chief thing.
kyratshooter
06-08-2012, 01:38 PM
I keep a full year supply of the ground stuff in the stores at home. Each rig has a large jar of instant in the vehicle kit as well as several liters of water and a coleman stove for brewing.
The camping gear has its own coffee supply and coffee pots/cups.
Each Get Home Bag has individual packets for a couple days supply and my day packs each have coffee as a normal part of the contents.
This is not unusual. I remember once opening a British survival kit with very specific and serious instructions printed on the can it came in, which was identical to a Spam can.
1. use the matches in the kit to build a fire.
2. empty the contents of the can.
3. fill the can with water and open the teabag from the kit.
4. sit down and read the survival guide in the kit and think about what you are doing while you have your cup of tea.
Always remember, before atomic energy, before steam turbine power, before desil engines and before paddle wheels humans found a way to harness the wind so they could get to the coffee and tea supply half way around the world. What was the spark for the beginning of our own Revolutionary war? Tax on tea and suger, brought to us in sailboats.
In the middle of the Great Depression the one thing every family would spend their hard earned money on was Coffee. How many times have you read the words: "The only thing we bought at the store was a little suger, salt and coffee."
The people of that era developed the habit of drinking it black due to the expense of suger and many elderly people still drink their coffee with milk only due to being raised in that era. Milk was free, suger cost money.
hunter63
06-08-2012, 02:26 PM
You better swap it out for some fresh Folgers.....not decaf either!:munchies:
Most likely time....LOL....I am not surprised that carrying coffee and "camping gear" is a normal.......See, I'm not a survivalist....I'm normal.....LOL....That's not a BOB,.... that's a, "Man I could really go for a hot cuppa joe....mabe some soap and crackers....candy bar.....some water...maybe stay the nite..."
Daniel Nighteyes
06-08-2012, 03:18 PM
Don't worry Daniel. I have the answer. If there is a way to have a cup of coffee I am going to find it. Sometimes it is barely fit to drink but it is coffee.
Visit you local truck stop and pick up a 12V coffee maker and a 12v electric blanket. Stop at Autozone and pick up a solar charging pannel. Pull the battery out of the pickup and at least you can get a good nights sleep and have a cup of coffee come morning.
Kyratshooter,
[<GRIN!>] You wouldn't believe all the comfort/convenience things I have that will run on 12VDC. Coffee pot, blanket, "cooker" (actually more of a warmer-upper), even a razor. Don't have the solar panels yet, but they're on my list. Mine will probably come from Harbor Freight, as their home office is nearby.
On my previous vehicle, a 1990 4WD Isuzu pickup with camper shell, I ran power back to the vicinity of the tailgate and installed two receptacles plus "overhead" lighting. My tailgate quickly became my kitchen, etc. I was really proud of that rig, and even though it was well past its prime (174K+ miles, and well into the nickle-and-diming-me-to-death stage), I hated to let it go.
My current vehicle, a 2WD 1998 Ford Explorer with trailer-towing package, has more than 216k miles on it already and is showing no signs of "fatigue". Though it is a LOT more comfortable in any way you'd care to name, and apparently much more robust, it just doesn't appeal to me quite the way that l'il ol' Isuzu did.
Go figure.
-- Nighteyes
Dad always drank his coffee with sugar. He did so because there was a time he could not get sugar and I think he savored every cup. I couldn't dilute God's nectar with anything.
Don't need no stinkin' 12 volt sissy stuff. We run POWER! in our BOV. Starts on post 12.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?8213-Rosewill-200W-DC-to-AC-Power-Inverter-15-2-Ship-Is-this-good&highlight=inverter+tool
Daniel Nighteyes
06-08-2012, 03:43 PM
Dad always drank his coffee with sugar. He did so because there was a time he could not get sugar and I think he savored every cup. I couldn't dilute God's nectar with anything.
The interesting/sad thing for me is that I can no longer drink coffee as I once did -- a large mug of Irish Breakfast Tea has to suffice. Coffee began causing PAC's (premature atrial contractions), also commonly known as palpitations, in my ticker. Mostly a matter of discomfort, but could have progressed to far more serious things.
Never lost my taste for coffee, so every time I shop at a Trader Joe's I get one of those small (approx. 4-oz.) samples of whatever coffee they're showcasing that day.
-- Nighteyes
If it will make you feel better you can continue to purchase coffee and send it to me. Because we are pals (good friends not the forum member) I will provide you a sip by sip write up as to what you are missing.
In all seriousness, the caffeine can cause muscle spasms, which could be serious depending on which muscles are impacted. I do hope you have no more issues. Can you drink decaf?
randyt
06-08-2012, 06:15 PM
there was a time I couldn't drink coffee, the doctors called it gastritis. I went on a licorice root and ginger tea regimen and now I can drink coffee again. I enjoy three cups or so of black coffee a day. Grandpa would drink his coffee black with a spoon of honey.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-08-2012, 06:24 PM
I do hope you have no more issues. Can you drink decaf?
I guess I could but, as I'm sure you know, there's not even one decaf coffee that comes close to the exquisite flavor/taste of the mildest caffeinated coffee. I have come to relish, and even look forward to, my huge morning mug of Irish Breakfast Tea. As of now my favorite comes from Fresh & Easy. The second-place winner - and its a very close second - comes from Trader Joe's.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-08-2012, 06:25 PM
there was a time I couldn't drink coffee, the doctors called it gastritis.
Coffee probably wasn't the only thing you were drinking then...... right?
I've been called fresh and easy....but I digress.
randyt
06-08-2012, 06:34 PM
Was drinking mostly water, coffee and a occasional soda. Then stress creeped up on me and I developed gastritis. I was losing my mother to pancreatic cancer, that and some business pressures was all it took.
Winter
06-08-2012, 11:06 PM
If you're a prepper who smokes, you're in denial.
If you're a prepper who can't see his feet because your stomach gets in the way, you're in denial.
If you're a prepper who spends more than he makes, you're in denial.
Little harsh there. Everyone's preparedness and survival goals are not the same.
I smoke. I think the only reason I haven't quit is because people keep telling me where I can and can't smoke. Screw them.
I am fat. I ain't couch potato fat, I'm construction worker fat. It comes from having money and being in a free society. I do what I want.
I did get rid of my credit cards though, years ago, but I wouldn't call someone an idiot for using credit wisely.
I would add to your list; "If you live in a large city, you're in denial" but that may annoy you....:taz:
I am not into preparedness and survival because I'm trying to avoid death at all costs. I am into it to propagate what is important about life.
Freedom, individuality, independence, self reliance, and fulfillment.
I'm not into it because I'm scared of anything.
Sarge47
06-08-2012, 11:29 PM
Okay guys, coffee break's over, everybody...back on topic. (p.s.: I HATE coffee and drink tea instead...when I can't get a Coca-Cola!) :devil2:
Winter
06-08-2012, 11:52 PM
That is the topic, no?
BENESSE
06-09-2012, 12:01 AM
Winter, if you read & quoted my entire post, you'd realize that I don't disagree with you.
SHTF takes many forms. Ignoring any of them will be at your own peril, including your loved ones. JMHO, of course.
I didn't mean to preach but merely remind people of something they might already know. We all do what we can and what we feel like doing. And as long as we're talking about it, we might as well cover all the basis and try to be intellectually honest.
Winter
06-09-2012, 12:10 AM
OK, B.
Being intellectually honest, I find this moments enjoyability over a possible extra day of living above ground. I'd happily die tomorrow for a cause than live 40 more years and die the straw death.
BENESSE
06-09-2012, 12:19 AM
I'd happily die tomorrow for a cause than live 40 more years and die the straw death.
You 'n me, both.
But that's a whole 'nother story.
Winter
06-09-2012, 12:31 AM
Ok, I am getting a better idea where you're coming from.
There are many for want to live above all else. I have other more important, to me, ideals. I hope I can stick to them with an empty belly, but, I swear I will never take anothers for mine.
Spartan300
06-09-2012, 09:08 AM
Little harsh there. Everyone's preparedness and survival goals are not the same.
I smoke. I think the only reason I haven't quit is because people keep telling me where I can and can't smoke. Screw them.
I am fat. I ain't couch potato fat, I'm construction worker fat. It comes from having money and being in a free society. I do what I want.
I did get rid of my credit cards though, years ago, but I wouldn't call someone an idiot for using credit wisely.
I would add to your list; "If you live in a large city, you're in denial" but that may annoy you....:taz:
I am not into preparedness and survival because I'm trying to avoid death at all costs. I am into it to propagate what is important about life.
Freedom, individuality, independence, self reliance, and fulfillment.
I'm not into it because I'm scared of anything.
Good post. I agree. I like a good smoke now and then and I am "construction worker" built myself. I am however not in denial. I can still out work most 18 years olds on this farm pounding fence posts and throwing hay. I have a paid for farm and three paid for trucks, are you in denial if you don't? If you don't have 6 months of cash on hand as an emergency fund are you in denial? If you aren't raising your own meat, making your own cheese and butter, and have a huge amount of canned goods in the cellar like we do....are you in denial?
Survivalism varies depending on the person, the goal, and as the title of this thread mentions, your enviornment and adaptability. In my opinion there is no cut and dried list of rules. It depends on where you live, how you view life, and how you adapt to your enviornment. The only true denial I see out in life are those that prepare for NOTHING. These are the ones that I see as putting their heads in the sand. Just my 2 cents.
BENESSE
06-09-2012, 03:41 PM
There are many for want to live above all else. I have other more important, to me, ideals.
Drats!
I must've misunderstood the point of all these preps. Here I thought it was about surviving all sorts of disasters which naturally leads to...just a wild guess...living longer?
Wasn't the first time I got it wrong. :blink:
fightergirl
06-09-2012, 05:07 PM
I confess I don't entirely understand this mind set. If you find yourself in a survival situation it would be counter-productive to me to accept the situation. My goal would be to survive the situation and return to my "normal" lifestyle. I have no intention of being in a survival situation long enough to accept it as a way of life.
Point taken however some times you just have to be in that sitution for a while and so you have to make your new way of life and then when you are finally out of that sitution you can try to go back to your normal way of life but you may not be able to because now everything in a mordren day home seems like a luxery because of your memoies of that sitution
I can't imagine a survival situation lasting 30 or 60 days. It would be extremely rare for that to occur. In theory, you could be lost at sea or in the forests of New Guinea but no one around here would be in a survival situation for any great length of time. Perhaps a week at most and then you'd have to be in Northern Canada or in the bush in Alaska.The typical length of time would be 36-48 hours. Why would you even consider adapting? Use the resources available to you, yes, but adapting?
kyratshooter
06-09-2012, 07:16 PM
Truth being that part of this group is talking lost on the hiking trail, part is talking short term natural disaster, part are talking economic collapse, and part are talking TEOTWAWKI.
Batch
06-09-2012, 07:21 PM
Rick,
If you adapt to the environments you go to and a week of unexpected stay occurs it isn't any big deal. Even a month or a year can be managed.
If someone tells me the picture posting size here I'll show a wild edibles TREE with many edibles. Shelter is no problem here. Despite the documentaries.
I just had bidens alba with beef sausage, red onion, bell pepper. The goal maybe to get home. But, that may not be obtainable. Knowing what can be caught or picked and what can't makes life easy if not just easier. Finding drinking water and making sure it is potable.
Leearn not to survive in your woods. But, to thrive!
hunter63
06-09-2012, 07:42 PM
Truth being that part of this group is talking lost on the hiking trail, part is talking short term natural disaster, part are talking economic collapse, and part are talking TEOTWAWKI.
That's kinda what I thinking, as well........I'm talking making do with what you have, and my experiences of what happens to me on different trips.........So how did we go on to "Will to live"?
So what is it folks?
Are we just collecting all the gear?, for 36 hours?, then chuck it all, when the TV crew leaves us behind?.....I don't think so......Although I thinking that as soon as the cell battery runs out, there will be a big problem for a lot of people....(not around here, just saying in general).
crashdive123
06-09-2012, 08:25 PM
It does appear that one's "survival situation" is not universal. I agree with Rick in that a long term "survival situation" is not likely. Can they occur? Sure, and he gave some examples. Living in a war zone or an area where genocide is occurring and you are "on the list", but again - for the members here - those are not likely scenarios. I do believe that for situations that most are envisioning there would be a period of adjustment and then after that it's just called living.
randyt
06-09-2012, 08:37 PM
well shootfire, for some marriage can be a survival situation or at least a TEOTWAWKI. Talk about adaptation LOL.
Hello all, I just found this thread and website today, and I just had to register. Quoting what Winter said:
"I am not into preparedness and survival because I'm trying to avoid death at all costs. I am into it to propagate what is important about life.
Freedom, individuality, independence, self reliance, and fulfillment.
I'm not into it because I'm scared of anything."
I feel this describes me word for word, but I am from a city and I have friends who simply overlook these values at times(we are all around the age of 20, so I guess it's easy to get caught in the web of trends and fads and such) So, for me, going into the woods and camping or just spending the day there is the easiest and most enjoyable thing to do when I feel the pressure. My friends usually learn a thing or two from me after I have learned something new about the woods, and if the economy ever collapses or it is TEOTWAWKI, then at least I have a headstart. I realize I know very little though.
I think you put it well, Crash. There's a huge difference between survival and living. Those that lived through the depression weren't in a survival situation. They were living life. Same for those that left the Dust Bowl counties. The poor guy with a broken leg 250 miles from the nearest person, is barefoot and without a PLB or SAT phone is in a survival situation. The guy that crashed his truck into a ravine that can't be seen from the road is probably in a survival situation.
I think you're right, too, KY. on the definition. I guess I was stuck on the "survival" thing. If you lived through Katrina there might have been a period during the storm that you were in a survival situation but afterwards it was just living life. I do agree that the transition is much easier if you can adapt to a new lifestyle. I just don't see that as "survival". To each his own definition I guess. Your insight sort of turned the light bulb on for me.
Spartan300
06-10-2012, 09:36 AM
well shootfire, for some marriage can be a survival situation or at least a TEOTWAWKI. Talk about adaptation LOL.
Lol, look out!
Winter
06-10-2012, 02:04 PM
Drats!
I must've misunderstood the point of all these preps. Here I thought it was about surviving all sorts of disasters which naturally leads to...just a wild guess...living longer?
Wasn't the first time I got it wrong. :blink:
Do you really not understand where I'm coming from?
Here's a scenario that may clear it up.
My home is on fire. I'm outside. A loved one is inside. I will surely survive and live longer if I stay outside the burning building.
I'd much rather risk death saving my loved one than ensure my own survival.
BENESSE
06-10-2012, 04:58 PM
Do you really not understand where I'm coming from?
Here's a scenario that may clear it up.
My home is on fire. I'm outside. A loved one is inside. I will surely survive and live longer if I stay outside the burning building.
I'd much rather risk death saving my loved one than ensure my own survival.
Well, of course, I would too! But what does that have to do with the question I think I was raising? Namely, why prep to survive, say, an earthquake, grid down or EMT and not take reasonable precautions in order to avoid a heart attack a stroke or lung cancer? Not to mention a host of other diseases, (if not lethal, certainly debilitating) that could seriously reduce your chances of survival if the $hit was gonna hit the fan or worse. How are your food and ammo stores gonna help you or your loved ones if you're paralyzed from a stroke or you're running out of insulin?
Sorry, Winter, it's this selective survival mindset I don't quite understand and no one has made the effort to address the questions directly, preferring to take the conversation to a more convenient place.
I didn't mean to sound harsh or offend anyone, I just find the topic interesting in the context of survival, that's all.
crashdive123
06-10-2012, 05:07 PM
B - your points are very good. All too often we (I) overlook (more likely ignore) our personal health issues and focus on other things. All of the gear in the world will do us little good if we make it to - let's say retirement - and need a walker to get up and go to another room. That's if we make it to retirement.
I'm in your corner, B. I got what you were saying. It's like driving to Costco to stock up on rice in a car that badly needs the brakes replaced.
Winter
06-10-2012, 08:46 PM
I guess , for me, it's a feeling of controlling my own destiny through my choices. Be they good choices or bad.
So, it's a control issue.
All of us make bad choices in our lives for whatever reason. Put any one of us a microscope and there are things we could do to improve our chances of a longer life. We also change our choices for whatever reason. As long as my choices don't impact on someone else then one would think they are just my choices. The problem is our choices always impact someone else whether it's leaving a spouse or child behind or someone having to care for us in the end. That applies to all of us.
BENESSE
06-10-2012, 10:12 PM
The problem is our choices always impact someone else whether it's leaving a spouse or child behind or someone having to care for us in the end. That applies to all of us.
So true.
As one of my favorite commercials asks: "You're willing to die for your child...but are you willing to live?"
also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfAxUpeVhCg
I quite 6-7-89. I figured I could remember 6789. I celebrated by 23rd smoke free anniversary last Thursday.
BENESSE
06-10-2012, 10:31 PM
We are our own toughest adversary. I can't think of anything much harder than conquering our fears, foibles, bad habits and apathy. It's a life long journey taken one day at a time.
Winter
06-11-2012, 02:03 AM
Stupid is as stupid does.
Where's me damn beer.
I think we all fall into that category. Get two beers......please.
hunter63
06-11-2012, 11:05 AM
Make it 3.....This make my head hurt.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-11-2012, 11:47 AM
I celebrated by 23rd smoke free anniversary last Thursday.
A major milestone, to be sure. Hearty congratulations on your courage, tenacity, and sheer determination.
-- Nighteyes (celebrating seven smoke-free years, after 5 previous attempts)
And the severe beatings I endured from the wife each time I lit up.
hikingpeter
06-12-2012, 02:44 AM
My experience has been the 3 day rule.......
It takes about 3 days to settle in to a new environment,..... eating, sleeping, personnel hygiene, most all daily activities.
That's a good rule of thumb because my BACK follows it to a T. After my first night out, I generally have back pain and haven't gotten much sleep. But the third night I get to sleep and wake up without any pain. I've also read stories of people who, after a long-term trip, can't fall asleep in their bed and prefer to sleep on the floor.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-12-2012, 04:25 PM
And the severe beatings I endured from the wife each time I lit up.
Et etiam, Rick? The discoloration is long-since gone, but the memory remains...
Daniel Nighteyes
06-12-2012, 04:41 PM
That's a good rule of thumb because my BACK follows it to a T. After my first night out, I generally have back pain and haven't gotten much sleep. But the third night I get to sleep and wake up without any pain.
hikingpeter,
Add one of those short (47-inch) Thermarest backpacking pads, and you just described me to a tee. SWMBO and I spent eight days in northern Minnesota's Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, and the adjacent (Canadian) Quetico Wilderness. The morning following the first day's activities -- canoeing, portaging, canoeing, portaging, setting up the camp, cooking, cleaning up, etc. -- I hurt in places I didn't even know I had! [OWITCH!] It was all I could do to drag my sorry posterior over to the canoe and get in...
By the third day I was sleeping like a baby and waking up refreshed (if still a bit sore from my prolonged contact with the ground, even thru the Thermarest). Around the fifth day I noticed a significant increase in strength, energy, and endurance -- what I began to call my "third wind" -- so that I could paddle/portage all day with no problems, and still have more than enough to make camp, etc.
Given half a chance the human body (even mine) is quite adaptable and resilient.
-- Nighteyes
Wildthang
06-12-2012, 05:47 PM
Wow, just got back to this thread because I have been so busy it has been hard to get on my favorite forum. And as usual we have many diverse opinions.
But just to clear up what I said in the original post, is that I beleive that for instance when you get lost and stranded, the sooner you accept the fact that you are lost, the sooner you will make a plan. I think that failure to accept your predicament, only strengthens fear and panic.
I would never accept being lost in the woods as a permenant environment, but I would accept the fact that it is what it is, and I must accept the situation to survive it.
Some people say " I would fight to return to normalcy, but wouldn't it be better to simply say, I accept my situation, come up with a viable plan, and go about the plan to remedy the situation?
Acceptance to me is the doorway to adaptation! So when we camp out in the woods in a primitive fashion, we are enabling ourselves to adapt much faster than the normal person with no skills and no experience, and it is obviously something we all enjoy, so it works well for us.
We are simply better adapted to wilderness environments because we practice accepting nature and it's unique beauty and challenges.
hunter63
06-12-2012, 06:05 PM
Well see....that's what I thought you said.....yes, I agree.
Daniel Nighteyes
06-14-2012, 03:00 PM
... just to clear up what I said in the original post, is that I beleive that for instance when you get lost and stranded, the sooner you accept the fact that you are lost, the sooner you will make a plan. I think that failure to accept your predicament, only strengthens fear and panic.
I would never accept being lost in the woods as a permenant environment, but I would accept the fact that it is what it is, and I must accept the situation to survive it.
Some people say " I would fight to return to normalcy, but wouldn't it be better to simply say, I accept my situation, come up with a viable plan, and go about the plan to remedy the situation?
Acceptance to me is the doorway to adaptation! So when we camp out in the woods in a primitive fashion, we are enabling ourselves to adapt much faster than the normal person with no skills and no experience, and it is obviously something we all enjoy, so it works well for us.
We are simply better adapted to wilderness environments because we practice accepting nature and it's unique beauty and challenges.
Simply put, B I N G O !
IMO&E, those who attempt to deny or fight the simple truths of their current reality are those who succumb most quickly. Those who accept the reality of their current situation, and work to deal with it, are much more likely to be able to return to "civilization."
This is what I, also, was saying. Guess I just didn't say it well.
-- Nighteyes
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